00:00Hello Sachin sir, hello Jigar sir, welcome to Anis and congratulations for Chandra Mera Dil, the soundtrack that's about, the
00:05film is about to release tomorrow.
00:06Three tracks, Khasiyat, Aydbar and of course a title track.
00:11I want to start off by asking that when you get the brief of an already popular track,
00:16mind me there's already patterns, rhythm, beat, the melodic structure, how do you deconstruct that and move forward with a
00:24new idea?
00:24I think it's best to forget that it's a good thing, because it's so good that it's so good that
00:33it's best to forget.
00:38Sir said that the name of the film is the name of my heart, but it's original.
00:44So we left that pressure for 6-7 days.
00:49We left that pressure for some blessing.
00:52So in truth, I was coming back from, we were working on another film's post,
00:58I was living there, incidentally my car wasn't there, so I took a lot of times,
01:06so what happens to me is it's free after your head, so a few times,
01:10and with pollution, it comes from a few times.
01:14Ta-ri-ra-ra-ra, ta-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra, ta-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra.
01:19So, there are small magical moments that we have to take a little bucket of water.
01:25I immediately called Amitabh Bhai Jigar and all, and then Jigar has,
01:33we have to take a little bit of water.
01:35So, I think it's like that.
01:36So, I think it's like, first, not to take pressure,
01:39and then staying honest to the instinct,
01:42because if there is a jadu instinct, you can keep it in place.
01:46Try to construct around that.
01:48Okay, and then when he shared the idea with you, how did you take it forward then?
01:52No, actually, it's a great process that a man comes to an idea,
02:00but it's always in the same way.
02:03Not one person.
02:04Then we all met, and then the song just flew.
02:08So, after the idea comes,
02:10if there are three people, Amitabh Bhai, Sachin,
02:14if everyone thinks the idea is right,
02:16then the idea is right, then the idea is right.
02:20and then the idea is right.
02:23And I want to talk about Fahim.
02:26Very unique voice.
02:27If I draw parallels,
02:29the lead singer of Poets of the Fall,
02:31I don't remember the name,
02:32but very similar vocal texture.
02:35Him and Lee, if I may say so.
02:37To have him go behind the mic for your song,
02:41what were the new avenues that opened up for you as artists?
02:44Yeah, Fahim's voice has a great strength.
02:51In his voice there is an inherent pain.
02:57In your voice there is an inherent pain.
03:01In your voice there is a lot of depth in your voice.
03:06But he is also a very honest and honest person.
03:13So, when he is written,
03:16he doesn't feel wrong.
03:17Because he feels that way.
03:20To feel that way,
03:22it is a very difficult thing.
03:24You can't feel that way,
03:26but he is very clear.
03:28He knows that way.
03:30He is very clear in terms of poetry.
03:34He understands poetry well and understood.
03:37He understands poetry well.
03:38between the gaps.
03:43He understands that.
03:44I think it's a big problem.
03:47He understands that every change
03:49as he understands and delivers
03:53much time he can make.
03:56As we explained to him,
03:58When we talked to him, we had to sing this song
04:01And we are also very easy people
04:03We didn't say that we would sing this song
04:05So we said to him, you stay with this
04:10And there are some people who sing immediately
04:15And there are some people who take time
04:17And genuinely use to sing this song
04:21So I think he is a very hard working guy
04:25And his voice is incredible
04:29And he is a talent, he is an insane talent
04:32And my next question is for both of you
04:34We are talking about Amida Bhattacharya Sir
04:37We spoke I think 4 years ago
04:40ND Music at Shlaunch Watan
04:42We discussed about Baba Ji Ki Pooti
04:44And you said that he came with this all 2-3 pager of the lyrics
04:50Now you tell me, you have been working for long
04:52All three of you together
04:54But this is a lot of times
04:55That someone has the idea of the other
04:57How do you decide where to put a stop?
05:01How do you decide where to put a stop?
05:03Things might go here and there
05:06Person's importance is not in the process
05:08Where the idea comes, the idea is not
05:10The car is going to go
05:11In the process with a stop?
05:13The two of us will be standing back
05:15The two of us are standing back
05:16The one who is standing back
05:16Is clear
05:18The next one will exhaust his ideas
05:24So Amitabh bhai had a line, like you said, you have to have something else that you have to write.
05:30You have become a first person.
05:34So now we have a promise that anyone will save the day.
05:45Whoever the idea comes from, is absolutely not important
05:49because the other hour, the other day, the other hour will be the idea
05:53and the other day, the other day, the other day
05:55and sometimes not contributing, it's a big contribution
06:00who says this is good, leave it
06:03and then if 3, 4, 6 people
06:07there is more understanding that the songs have been bigger
06:11We are sitting here, one is making money, one is making a song because you are making a song by
06:21the night,
06:24that if your intention is to make a song, then you have made it, you are at home and you
06:34are at home and you are at home,
06:35then you are at home.
06:37I am going to tell you one step further,
06:41this album is a song for you, and it was made.
06:46It was that someone who came to the studio and made it a thought and it was made.
06:51Then I amitabh bhaji and I amitabh bhaji and I amitabh bhaji also liked it.
06:54But he was not confident, when Karan sir came to listen to me, he didn't have to listen.
06:59But Amitabh bhaji has been in his comfort zone and said,
07:02it was not for me to listen to me.
07:04He was listening to me and rejected him.
07:06So Jigarh that way is very critical of his mother.
07:09Sometimes I worry too much, but I am very proud of him.
07:12But now I am going to say that I amitabh bhaji,
07:16I amitabh bhaji.
07:17I am saying that I amitabh bhaji,
07:31I amitabh bhaji,
07:33I am a manalekha.
07:34The first draft was,
07:37Sarjan Beriyan,
07:38I am your wife.
07:40It was a very good lyrics.
07:42But then we all knew that we have to,
07:45this is the start point,
07:46we are not going to go.
07:48So, it is not about who did what anymore.
07:53It is about did we make something that felt good to us.
07:59When we started out,
08:00our kandeh bhaji
08:03bhaji leker chalte zhe.
08:05Artists,
08:06pehle to uske niche nehi nikal paata ha.
08:09Correct.
08:09But Dalathe bhaji leker.
08:12When we go to marriage,
08:14we know what common is.
08:15Correct.
08:16That is the same.
08:18You know,
08:20you are not going to do it.
08:22You are not going to contribute to your own knowledge.
08:24You are not going to contribute to your own knowledge.
08:25I think free flowing,
08:26you are not going to do it.
08:27Every walk of life,
08:28you are not going to do it.
08:32You are not going to do it.
08:34You are not going to do it.
08:35Okay.
08:36And talking about the film,
08:38it has a very urban setting in terms of the story premise and everything.
08:42The characters,
08:43the picturization,
08:44the production value.
08:45What was your,
08:46the brief to you from the production or from Karan sir as you went forward with the soundtrack?
08:52Karan sir was very, very, very pumped about this period.
08:57It was so endearing to see that fire in him, in his eyes.
09:05Truly for the first six or seven sittings,
09:09I was feeding off his energy.
09:12I was truly waiting to have more meetings with him.
09:17Okay,
09:18quickly before the director came,
09:19he came alone.
09:20It is such a pet project for him.
09:22Yeah.
09:22I could see that he wanted to brief us before the director also.
09:27And,
09:27great of even Vivek,
09:29who is the director of the film.
09:30He also has been,
09:32you know,
09:32somehow,
09:33I can tell you,
09:34this has been a very free flowing,
09:36easy going,
09:37happy go lucky project for me.
09:39Although,
09:40it is one of the,
09:41one of our best works.
09:43How do I say that?
09:44That,
09:44sometimes,
09:47it just sort of aligns.
09:49It just fits perfectly.
09:51So,
09:51the songs we were making,
09:53they were liking,
09:53the briefs they were giving were pushing us,
09:55the stuff we gave out pushed them to shoot or,
09:59you know,
10:00some of the things that we had in the past,
10:02in the film,
10:03that this should happen in the beginning.
10:05So,
10:06it was really happy to and fro between the makers and the creators.
10:11So,
10:12it was great fun.
10:14Having said that,
10:16I will say that,
10:17you know,
10:18I think,
10:20we somehow,
10:23you know,
10:24are shying away from the cliches,
10:26that people know Bollywood from.
10:28Yeah.
10:29We love Bollywood for these cliches.
10:32Yeah.
10:32A hundred percent.
10:33Yeah.
10:34I just hope and pray and,
10:36you know,
10:36that we are courageous enough to,
10:38to own it.
10:39Do you think the global sound texture,
10:41which is happening across the world,
10:43it's somewhere eroding the Indian culture of our music,
10:46or our mainstream sound?
10:47Is that something in your opinion?
10:49Yeah.
10:51I think that it's just our responsibility,
10:54that if we are doing something global,
10:56how do we do our own sound?
10:57How do we global our music?
11:00How do we global our music?
11:00How do we do our own music?
11:02How do we do our own play?
11:02we have to do that.
11:03And,
11:05this is a really great fight,
11:06but,
11:07our music is so,
11:08that,
11:09that it,
11:10that it,
11:10that it,
11:10can be blended with any other music.
11:13Yeah, easily.
11:14Four days ago, a very big artist has made a clip of Asha's clip.
11:26There are so many songs, such as Black Eyed Peas,
11:31which is a song from the beginning of Parallel.
11:40They are all in their music.
11:49They look at our music as a global music.
11:52They look at our music as their identity and uniqueness.
11:55We have to believe and own our music as an artist.
12:04Representation should be cool and relevant.
12:08It has to appeal to a younger singer.
12:09It has to appeal to a younger singer.
12:12Yes.
12:13Then you can do concerts.
12:14You can go to listen to a new sitar player playing absolutely only puristically classical Indian music.
12:24But any form of creation that is supporting a story or a script will have to own its culture.
12:34Yes.
12:35And moving forward, you said that many times things are free flowing.
12:39You feel that you have not done much.
12:42But it just perfectly fits in that as a piece of the puzzle, a final piece of the puzzle.
12:47This incidentally reminds me of what Pritam Da says since you have worked with him.
12:50He said that if I feel that I did not work, then he introduces chaos purposely.
12:56That's how he thrives as an artist.
12:57We have been in that chaos.
12:59Yeah.
13:00Yeah.
13:00What's your process?
13:02How do you view this?
13:03Yeah.
13:06Firstly, we are two people.
13:07So we are two sides of the coin.
13:10I think my job is to rationalize the chaos he has.
13:14He's a rebel.
13:14Okay.
13:15He doesn't sleep.
13:19Sometimes he wakes up with the fear that he doesn't make a song today.
13:24So there is a childlike hunger when he sees a new instrument.
13:29I fear of all these things.
13:31But again, if I want to, let's say, compose a song, I cannot do that in front of an echopend.
13:39I don't want to get tied up inside the studio.
13:42I don't want to go to the terracers.
13:44You should open the mall.
13:45Yeah.
13:46I don't want to take the name of the place.
13:48It's a tune.
13:50But it's okay.
13:52I think just the whole acknowledgement of the fact that I am like.
13:59Acceptance.
13:59Okay.
14:00All these things are very important.
14:01We are sitting here as a glory.
14:04It's not like that.
14:04We have learned to shed inhibitions.
14:08Sometimes.
14:09But my job, I feel in this combination, lots of times my job is to tell Jigar that it's
14:16a great job.
14:18It's more.
14:18It's more.
14:19It's more.
14:19It's more.
14:20It's more.
14:20To rationalize it.
14:22To bring in the order basically in this process.
14:24Yes.
14:25Yes.
14:25So, I am in a very dangerous situation.
14:29I am in a very dangerous situation.
14:29I am in my mobile and play video games.
14:44Yes.
14:45For Jigar, I think it works the other way.
14:48But, when I am chaotic, that helps me on, I am not a specific role.
14:54But even though it's a balancing act.
14:58It's not me alone or him alone.
15:00Yeah.
15:01And for my last question, he said that you know sometimes he worries about you because of your highly self
15:06-critical nature and you also feel that you don't realize that the song is so good until the time he
15:13tells you and people around tell you.
15:14True.
15:16This self-criticism, what are the ways that you ensure that this doesn't happen in your artistic process or your
15:22artistic integrity?
15:24I mean, I think I have people, I have Sachin, I have Priya, I think they make sure that this
15:32doesn't happen because once, if you are, and this is a very genuine thing I am telling you.
15:38If you are self-critical, you are self-critical, there is no way out of it.
15:42You know, if you are sitting in a new place, in a new place, in a new place, it's impossible.
15:53You don't have to accept that I am so self-critical, because I never took it as a good thing.
15:59It is something that hinders the process.
16:04Because sometimes he is absolutely creatively high, Amitabh Bhai is creatively high or a producer is creatively high.
16:12But, because I am self-critical, I am killing the buzz of four people around me.
16:18You know, and that is a big, I mean, when you are in a creative flow, you don't need a
16:24speed breaker.
16:25Sometimes that self-critical nature becomes a speed breaker.
16:30So these things, you know, once, and then you have to step out of the room, deal with yourself, and
16:37come back and say, okay.
16:38I am a critic.
16:39I am a critic.
16:39We will talk tomorrow about this.
16:41We will make a song first.
16:43So this is how.
16:43I think, I think, I think, um, the song is going four days, and the song is going four days,
16:54and the song is going four days.
17:08It is not happening.
17:08It is just, there is tomorrow to change it.
17:11There is day after to change it.
17:13There are, and now producers, directors, two of us, three of us, ten of us, we are all very open
17:19and accepting of at least listening to each other.
17:23Yeah.
17:23Yeah.
17:23If you talk about the other people, it is going to come from the wrong perspective.
17:28Yeah.
17:28Yeah.
17:28Yeah.
17:28Yeah.
17:29I think it's the people around you who, but that self-critical nature also sometimes surprises us with great things.
17:38So, yeah, that's how it is.
17:42And for my last question, I remember this one small clip of Frank Zappa, he said that in the earlier
17:49time, studio heads were like, they were more gung-ho about experimenting.
17:52Yes.
17:53That's how it happens.
17:54Yeah.
17:55In today's date, there are so many streaming platforms, music, making, and distribution are very democratized.
18:02But the thing is, that's the number game.
18:04Until and unless an artist doesn't have a number backing him or her, there is no chance for that.
18:10For aspiring musicians, composers, singers, what would be your message to navigate this tricky road?
18:15Where are you now?
18:16What are you saying?
18:17First, you could think that a man of Kashmir will be the mainframe Bollywood singing.
18:26So, what you're saying is democracy, I think this is the prettiest time to be an artist in this country.
18:33It's very liberating.
18:35Because, from the first day, I was presenting that first, I would tell╧Й╬╜ by the first,
18:40I could show up shortly, if which one was hit, who who is then dance was the hit dancer.
18:44Now, I don't know the chance to say too.
18:47You would not tell my daughter to the first...
18:49My daughter makes her ╨▒╤Л╨▓ dire story.
18:52He is an artist and listens to his verkl Sarani.
18:58I am saying that it is very, very democratic, today in the top 50, there are probably 10 songs in
19:05Bollywood, 40 indie songs, so it is a beautiful, independent time to be a musician.
19:10If it doesn't, then tell me where the music came from. There are people who came from, and where the
19:20music came from.
19:21I will tell you a little bit, I have learned a lot about it, so I will share it with
19:27you.
19:30When you can feel something and express it, it is like a diamond.
19:40You will not be able to hide it.
19:41People will come and look at it.
19:44If it is not now, it will be 20, 40 years later.
19:46Where is that album?
19:47Yes, you are right.
19:49If there is a little patience, then you will become a little patient.
19:55Do you want to add anything?
19:57I think if you love the music genuinely, then you will show the music.
20:04It will show you the way.
20:06Today, like how you sing, the number of streaming platform is called Baron.
20:13Okay, and it is from a Haryanbe artist.
20:16Correct me if I am wrong.
20:18I know the label that has pushed that song, and I know the kind of little money that has gone
20:26in that song.
20:27I mean, I can tell you that that song is on your own number one.
20:31And any song that has not touched the numbers of the song.
20:37Why is it?
20:39Because it has touched many people's hearts.
20:43Yes, today, it will be more money for the person who has the numbers backing.
20:50But if you have the numbers backing, the number one is not going to be wrong.
20:55You need to have your music.
20:57And if someone has a number of people's hearts, then tell them that you have to write it and write
21:03it.
21:04No.
21:06It has all come down to the song.
21:08If your song is good, then you can upload it yourself.
21:15You can talk about it yourself.
21:16You can talk about it yourself.
21:17Today, there is your Instagram or YouTube.
21:20There is your 10 friends with you.
21:25You never know how it is going to travel.
21:28But if it is good, it will reach.
21:30That is for sure.
21:32So, the algorithm will chase the feeling.
21:34Yes, 100%.
21:35The algorithm will chase the feeling.
21:35That is for sure.
21:36Yes, 100%.
21:37So, with that, we have reached the end of this conversation.
21:39There is something that you have asked me about this conversation.
21:42If you have asked about it, tell us about it.
21:44Yes, go and watch it.
21:45Because there is a lot of time after this, absolutely true blue musical.
21:51It will be fun in the film.
21:53It will be a great film.
21:55I am sure that all the love of it will be after it.
22:02Perfect.
22:03So, on that note, thank you so much.
22:04I wish all the best.
22:05Peace.
22:05Bye bye
22:05Later.
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