Trinidad and Tobago: Are your rights being taken away? Discover how to easily report crimes online and explore pressing issues impacting the nation. Tune in to "Beyond the Tape" this Wednesday as we delve into critical legal discussions with special guest Zaheer Ali, Director of Policy and Community Support at the Ministry of Homeland Security.
This episode tackles the growing concerns around public safety and individual liberties. We also shine a light on important community initiatives, including a salute to the Day Bay Presbyterian School for their impactful engagement with students and parents.
Plus, get the latest on health and wellness with insights on managing diabetes and high cholesterol. And don't miss out on incredible deals for eye care and plumbing solutions across Trinidad and Tobago.
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This episode tackles the growing concerns around public safety and individual liberties. We also shine a light on important community initiatives, including a salute to the Day Bay Presbyterian School for their impactful engagement with students and parents.
Plus, get the latest on health and wellness with insights on managing diabetes and high cholesterol. And don't miss out on incredible deals for eye care and plumbing solutions across Trinidad and Tobago.
#TrinidadAndTobago #BeyondTheTape #CrimeReporting #LegalInsights
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02:09This country real backward, you can't even report crimes online.
02:16Actually, since 2020, you could report your crimes online.
02:21And it's fast, easy, and secure.
02:25Let me show you how to do it in just a few simple steps.
02:29First, visit our official website at www.ttps.gov.tt.
02:39Then, click on Report a Crime, located at the top right corner of the homepage.
02:45After which, choose the option that suits your concern.
02:51Report a Crime, or Report a Suspicious or Abandoned Vehicle.
02:57Next, read the disclaimer.
03:00Then, fill out the form giving all the required information about the incident.
03:05Finally, once all required information is entered accurately, click Submit to send your report directly to the TTPS.
03:14Once your report is submitted, our Operations Command Center will review it and send it to the relevant division, branch,
03:23or section for classification and follow-up action.
03:26And yes, police officers will respond or communicate with you for more information in order to properly assess and take
03:36the necessary action.
03:37So, the next time you need to report a crime or a suspicious vehicle, you don't even have to leave
03:43your home.
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04:10Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago, and to our international audience, this is Beyond the Tape.
04:15I'm your host, Whitney Husbands.
04:16We are smack in the middle of the week, so that means only one thing, and that is, legally speaking,
04:21Wednesdays.
04:22And today is Wednesday, the day before the Corpus Christi holiday, and with that, of course, we're seeing what is
04:28taking place in the country.
04:29And it's only right with the guidance that is needed for our attorney at law and our director of policy
04:35and community support of the Ministry of Homeland Security, Mr. Zaheer Ali,
04:39who is here with us each and every Wednesday to guide us accordingly where the law is concerned.
04:44Good evening to you, sir.
04:45Well, thank you very much, Whitney.
04:46I see that you are very, very excited about this afternoon.
04:50So many things happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
04:53And I know, you know, of set, I know that you have an interest in some particular matters that are
04:56unfolding, and very important there as well.
04:59But good evening to you.
05:00Thank you very much for your warm welcome, as always.
05:02You know, ahead of the, I should say, the holiday and, you know, going into the weekend, very important times,
05:08sacred times, religious times as well.
05:11Good evening to Jackie and our friends on Beyond the Tape who support us on a daily basis.
05:16The citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, most importantly, my law enforcement colleagues across Trinidad and Tobago,
05:21including the private security industry and those who may be viewing out of the jurisdiction.
05:27I want to begin this afternoon with me.
05:29Permit me, you know, to recognize at the beginning of this program, the Day Bay Presbyterian School, primary school.
05:36Just a couple hours ago, together with the special psychosocial intervention and educational engagement team,
05:44we visited that school.
05:45And I want to, you know, salute the principal, Tisha Daulat, principal and her staff, students, the Ministry of Education
05:54Officials,
05:55for a very interesting engagement and very important engagement.
05:59You know, we had the opportunity to engage the parents as well.
06:01And I want to, you know, salute them this afternoon for, you know, seeing the importance of investing in our
06:06nation, youths.
06:07Yes, we're talking about crime and criminality in a bigger area.
06:10But when I see what's happening at the particular school, I think that's something that I need to make mention.
06:14A very early o'clock this afternoon to say to that particular school and that community, all the stakeholders.
06:20And we always heard about a school being a microcosm of society.
06:24You know, we have many different stakeholders, you know, connecting, you know, in a school environment.
06:28And I want to just, you know, urge them to continue the great work.
06:31And it was indeed an honor on behalf of the Ministry of Homeland Security, the Ministry of Education,
06:36state and non-state actors to have that conversation with them today.
06:39And, you know, I saw children who are eager and interested to engage, you know, our stakeholders.
06:45So I just want to say to them, hats off to you all and, you know, continue the good work.
06:48So thank you for allowing me to at least identify one positive, you know, that occurred today.
06:54If there are not many more that you may want to speak about as we go along.
06:56Yes. Now what is happening in our space right now, we're seeing a lot of protests happening and peace walks
07:02taking place.
07:03Yes.
07:03And they are planned.
07:05Yes.
07:05And today was one example of how things went a bit left with this peace walk.
07:12And persons are in their feelings where they're seeing that their rights are being taken away.
07:17And even though they made it very clear that there were 15 locations, that the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago
07:25cannot go in 500 meters of to protest in any way, shape or form.
07:30They still also have the right to also protest.
07:33But it seems like in this case, no authorization was given.
07:36And I don't know how we could continue to inform the public.
07:41But what we are seeing before us was a peace walk.
07:44And from the information that's gathered, it said it was not authorized.
07:48Well, this is a very sensitive matter, Whitney.
07:51And I want to deal with it, you know, very systematically.
07:53And I want to just go very slow.
07:54I want to begin with the apex law of Trinidad and Tobago, since you have engaged me legally.
07:59And under the constitution of Trinidad and Tobago, we have a freedom of association, which is a very significant right,
08:06and also a freedom of expression.
08:10And when you factor in protests, it's an act that basically where persons come together, where they may be aggrieved,
08:21or they want to be able to send a message with reference to a particular issue.
08:25Now, when we speak about protests, both at the high court level in 2023, Justice Rahim, for my recollection,
08:33give some very clear guidance as it relates to protests and whether, in fact, permission is required for protests.
08:39And from my understanding, there's no need for permission for protests.
08:44Right.
08:44And, but protests should also be peaceful protests and issues that could be current issues.
08:54But what is important here is that let's factor it now in the context that we're in a state of
08:58emergency.
08:59And there's emergency powers regulation.
09:01And recently, we would have learned that the police commission and the executive of the TTPS would have identified 15
09:07locations
09:07where persons should not come within 15, 500 meters, sorry, within these identified institutions.
09:15Now, if you look at that in context, the declaration of, the identification of these 15 places did not prohibit
09:22protests.
09:23What it said is that if you're protesting and you're doing it peacefully, you need to just stay out of
09:29this 500-meter zone.
09:30And the reason for that is that the state is allowing you to protest, but at the same time,
09:35the state has a duty to ensure that there is public, promoting public safety and security.
09:39So hence why certain buildings, certain institutions were protected by the identification of the distance that persons can get.
09:48So I want to signal immediately that where we have protests, I have not seen where the law requires any
09:54permission.
09:54Yes.
09:55But if you are doing the protests, it must be peaceful.
09:57And this is the key.
09:58It must not be threatening public safety and security.
10:00It must not be causing unnecessary obstruction.
10:02And that is what the police is very clear about in terms of when they're going about their patrol,
10:08they're exercising their role and functions.
10:11If persons are gathering, they must not be breaching the present order of the police commissioner
10:15in terms of the 15 areas.
10:16They must not be causing unnecessary obstruction.
10:19They must not be guarded for unlawful purpose.
10:21And there must be a proper balance in ensuring that freedom of expression, freedom of assembly,
10:26but also right to safety and security for the general citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago.
10:30So it's a balance that must be struck.
10:32Let's not mix that up with the context of where we have, where there's a march.
10:37A march requires notification and approval, a permit from the police commissioner.
10:41Because when you're talking about a march, you're talking about going down a particular street or streets,
10:45which may cause traffic to be diverted.
10:49You may have causing any other inconvenience to persons who may be using that route.
10:54So that is very clear.
10:55So the notification and permission, a permit, to be able to march.
10:59Public meeting, a notification to the police commissioner.
11:02So I want us to understand the distinction.
11:04But let's go back to protest because that's the issue at your table.
11:08Protest connotates with a freedom of expression.
11:12However, it must not be prejudicial to public safety and security.
11:16And while we are expressing our views, while we are protesting,
11:19let's ensure that our thumb, that we are not in the process inciting violence
11:24or creating a situation where, and I mentioned this word about 20 times already,
11:30a prejudice to public safety and security.
11:33And who is public safety and security with us?
11:35The citizens.
11:36Everyone.
11:36Every citizen.
11:37Not a certain sector.
11:39Particularly all those who may be in that particular area at that material time.
11:42So I want us to be, I always ask for maturity.
11:46There's no intention to curtail, from my understanding, any of the constitutional rights.
11:51Those rights are not absolute.
11:52And that's something that I want to put into the table as well.
11:54A lot of people may go of the view.
11:56It has been interpreted by the highest court of the land, the Privy Council.
12:01It has spoken at the Court of Appeal.
12:03It has spoken at the high court level.
12:06Our Section 4 constitutional rights are not absolute.
12:10They are qualified rights, which means that that right can be impacted.
12:15And we see the situation here where, when you have a freedom of expression,
12:20it cannot trump a right to safety and security.
12:23So there must be balance.
12:24So I hope I bring some clarity in relation to just it's you that is with us at this time.
12:29Yes.
12:29And of course, we will dive in even further.
12:31And speaking of what took place this afternoon,
12:34we heard from the Senior Superintendent Raymond Sum.
12:37And this is what he had to say.
12:38Let's take a listen.
12:45First of all, and I will be very brief, there was no application for this event.
12:50There are clear rules and guidelines of how people are supposed to go about if they want
12:54to keep such an event.
12:55And as such, we have to prepare to protect the public.
13:00We have no idea about the magnitude, how large the crowd would be, the amount of persons that would be
13:07gathering,
13:07and exactly what is their intent.
13:09Besides what we saw about, we, as police officers, welcome the initiative for peace amongst all factions.
13:17It is something that we are supportive of.
13:19However, as I said, there are ways to go about getting approval to do what you want to do.
13:26And you found, you will find that if they had applied and it approved,
13:30that a lot of police would have been out here ensuring that everything goes up in a peaceful and democratic
13:37manner.
13:37But because all the persons who are advised about the correct way to go about doing it,
13:43and that was not done, then we have to come out to ensure the safety and security of everyone in
13:48Trinidad and Tobago.
13:49And that is the reason for the strength.
13:51So who have an opinion that is overkill?
13:56Well, they entitled to their opinion.
13:57But we are doing our own.
13:58I am sure that every one of us here, there are other things that we could be doing from a
14:05crime-fighting initiative.
14:06Right?
14:07To reduce crime and what is going on in the country.
14:10But because of the actions, the unlawful actions, that is why we need to direct resources over here to treat
14:17the situation at a point in time.
14:20And that is Senior Superintendent Raymond Tom that you heard from there.
14:25And we have a media release from the TTPS where they stated that Trinidad and Tobago Police Service is aware
14:32of a flyer that was circulating on social media
14:35promoting a proposed walk of peace in Port of Spain at 3 p.m. today, Wednesday the 3rd, June 2026.
14:42The TTPS fully supports legitimate initiatives aimed at fostering peace, reducing violence, and encouraging positive community engagement.
14:51These are objectives that align with their own commitment to building safer communities throughout Trinidad and Tobago.
14:58However, it is important to remind members of the public that the country remains under a state of emergency.
15:06And as such, all public gatherings, marches, processions, and assemblies are subject to strict legal requirements, security assessments, and operational
15:17considerations.
15:17At this time, no authorization has been granted for any public march or procession associated with this event.
15:25Subsequently, any attempt to organize or participate in an unauthorized march along public roadways may constitute a breach of the
15:34applicable laws and regulations currently in force.
15:38And I'm happy that you read that and exactly what I indicated at my introduction.
15:43And the act and the law that they are talking about is the Summary Offenses Act.
15:46Those who may want to read, if you look at the Summary Offenses Act, you'll see within that particular legislation
15:51where we have public meetings, public march, processions, clearly identified.
15:57I'm going to say it again.
15:58Public meeting, a notification to the police commissioner, and there are particular timelines in which that should be done.
16:05One, public march and processions, this is when you are going onto the streets, you require notification and you require
16:11a permit.
16:11And the reason for that is because you are going on the streets, you are coming into contact with other
16:15persons, you may have to be affecting other persons' rights to freedom of movement and other rights.
16:20And hence why a balance must be struck.
16:21And most importantly, looking at public safety and security and ensuring there's a balance between your right to freedom of
16:26expression, right to freedom of assembly, and also right to safety and security.
16:31So that particular legislation governs what's happening.
16:34And the key here is, and I want to make this point, that while we may be in a state
16:38of emergency and there's emergency powers regulation that govern the spirit, there's statute that has been in the law books
16:46made from the parliament in relation to how these events are to be conducted.
16:52So even out of an SOE, if these things are to be done, there's still a requirement.
16:57So I don't want us to go with the impression that because we're in a state of emergency, hence you
17:00are seeing the stringent application that has been there in the Summary Offenses Act.
17:04So even if the emergency, state of emergency comes to an end, you are still guided by certain rules, privileges,
17:11sorry, certain rules and provisions in the Summary Offenses Act.
17:14And I urge you all to read it, those who may be wanting to organize these professions, this match and
17:21that sort of thing.
17:21Please look at it, exploit it, and if need be, seek advice.
17:25Do not fail to seek advice so that you can be well guided.
17:29And remember that while we're in a state of emergency, that there are places that have been identified.
17:35So let's say, for example, Whitney, that you're asking to have a match and you're going down a particular road,
17:41but that road now is coming within 500 meters of places that have been identified that you need to stay
17:45away from.
17:46Then what will happen is that that route may have to be, that's correct, to ensure that there's no conflict
17:51with the areas that have been identified for the purposes of public safety and security.
17:56But Trinidad and Tobago, I want to urge you all that knowledge is power and I want you all to
18:02understand that while you may be well intended, it may be in good faith, we are still governed by the
18:06rule alone.
18:07I want you all to read, seek advice, talk to someone before you venture out and you bring yourself unnecessarily
18:12into contact with law enforcement.
18:15And then you, you know, you have to face the course of Trinidad and Tobago at very sensitive times.
18:18And again, let me join with you and let us join and tell this nation that we are a nation
18:25that there's a lot of sensitivity or sensitive matters that are unfolding and let us let good sense prevail.
18:31Tomorrow we are planting a tree or we have to plant a tree tomorrow.
18:34Let us recognize that.
18:36Let's put that seed in from today.
18:37And that seed we put it in from today is a seed of maturity, a seed of being responsible, a
18:43seed of understanding that we don't exist alone.
18:45But that's correct.
18:47We exist with other persons and we share a common, that's correct, with different rights and privileges.
18:54So thank you, Whitney.
18:56Yes.
18:57Just so you know, persons living in the Marvell area, environs, this is your opportunity today.
19:02It is on the Western Division Town Meeting that is taking place at the Marvell Community Centre.
19:07Feel free as we speak.
19:08They are there to assist.
19:10And as Mr. Ali said, knowledge is power.
19:12So let's spread the knowledge.
19:13We never stop learning and we keep hoping that we continue to work together with the TTPS to make your
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21:47Welcome back, and it's Legally Speaking Wednesdays.
21:50We have our attorney and director, who is here with us, Mr. Ali.
21:53And right now it's time for us to take a look at what's making our SOE update as of June
21:583rd, 2026.
22:00Number of operations, 6,771.
22:03Number of targets, priority offenders, 1,973.
22:08Searches conducted, 3,051.
22:11Traffic operations, 4,009.
22:14Total persons arrested, 2,998.
22:18Total persons charged, 628.
22:22Firearms recovering, we're seeing an increase with pistols, giving us a total of 179.
22:28Ammunition recovered, we're seeing an increase with the 9mm, the 12 gauge, also the 5.56, at a total of
22:363,390.
22:38And dangerous drug sees, we are seeing increase in cannabis and cocaine.
22:43Mr. Ali?
22:44Well, as usual, Whitney, I always want to, you know, salute the police officers, law enforcement agencies for, you know,
22:51for contributing to the statistics.
22:53And so, we've seen the increase in firearms, in particular, 100 pistols.
22:56Total of 179, you know, very serious matters, you know, deadly weapons.
23:01And it's important for us to ensure that we continue to pursue and retrieve and arrest and charge persons and
23:06take them before the court with reference to firearms and ammunition.
23:10And I also want to salute the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago because it may not be expressed for various
23:14reasons.
23:15But many persons contribute to the statistics.
23:18Yes.
23:19By providing intelligence and providing information.
23:20And I want to, you know, continue to urge the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago to continue to provide intelligence
23:26and information to law enforcement agencies so that you are playing your role, you are doing your part as it
23:31relates to crime and criminality.
23:32So, you know, while, as the senior superintendent would have indicated, that you've seen an intention to express a view,
23:41to promote peace and security, which is always welcome.
23:45But, you know, on that particular platform, what is even very much, or should I say critical as well, is
23:52being aware of things that are happening and taking the steps to be able to provide the information and intelligence.
23:58So, yes, we can talk peace, but I'm certain that the persons who are going to speak about peace, I'm
24:04certain that they are from different communities and are aware of what's happening.
24:07On the reverse, I know that I deal with the citizenry that I always like to be balanced.
24:10I understand that there are circumstances as to why you may be reluctant.
24:15I understand that.
24:16I'm not naive to that.
24:17But what I'm saying is that if you are reluctant, that you do not trust A, but perhaps you can
24:23trust B.
24:24And if you do not trust A and B in terms of persons, perhaps you can trust an anonymous line.
24:29Or if you do not trust an anonymous line, probably you could write or type and you could deposit it
24:35somewhere.
24:36So I'm just saying that there are many different, or you could probably call Whitney and you could communicate it
24:39with Whitney where she has freedom of repress.
24:41So she can protect her source as well, but the information gets to law enforcement.
24:45And Whitney, that is something that media, media also has a very important role.
24:50And I don't expect the media to declare a source.
24:52You're not supposed to.
24:53As a journalist, you're not supposed to declare a source.
24:55That's correct.
24:56So that's a protection.
24:56So if a person feels strong, I listen, there are 15 high-powered rifles at a particular place.
25:00I don't trust the police.
25:01I don't trust law enforcement.
25:03Well, call the media and say, listen, look, there are 15 high-powered rifles and see whether it will manifest
25:07itself.
25:08Similarly, on a morning program, I've seen it happen many times in many programs.
25:12There's no water, no electricity.
25:13Why do people call in to complain?
25:15Because why?
25:15They trust the...
25:16That the media house will come into contact with TNTEC and WSAT and say, listen, we need to go to
25:20this location.
25:20So it should be no different with crime and criminality.
25:23However, let us continue to take deliberate steps to be able to restore public safety and security in Trinidad and
25:30Tobago.
25:30I should say promote it.
25:31Not only restore, but promote it.
25:33All right.
25:33Right now, let's take a look at what's making today's headlines.
25:35I've seen you.
25:37I've seen you.
26:04möglichst immense and friendly and terrible things.
26:11And those were your stories making today's headlines.
26:14We have a caller on the line at this time.
26:15Caller, good evening.
26:17Good evening, good evening.
26:19Good evening to you, sir.
26:20Good evening, sir.
26:21This is the director.
26:22Good evening to you, sir.
26:24Director, I am very upset.
26:27I am still seeing a vile, vile video circulated.
26:36It reminds me of when an activist said, jump the wall and deal with it.
26:43This video circulation has lots of excuses and is very, very much offensive towards the Hindu religion.
26:54And I believe in the video, there was excuses towards the Prime Minister.
26:59And I am hoping that the PPPS acts on that video.
27:06Because I don't want another, just the one and deal with him.
27:12We ended up in that.
27:13I think it's fitness.
27:15It is sighted.
27:17And my other issue, I want to comment, sir.
27:21Having won a legal battle in the appeal porch that was chaired by Justice Udusei.
27:30I am seeing some progress within the police service.
27:34Because I have always said, it needs to be reconstructed.
27:38I am seeing the external fixes.
27:40When the promotion and, for example, the issue with the traversing on the bus route and helping.
27:49I have to take my hat off to you that you are trying to help fix the internal problems of
27:57the PPPS.
27:58With respect to discrimination.
28:02And in your case, you will deny and discriminate.
28:06Whereas some of your colleagues will give you the chance to be exempted from the city records.
28:11Sir, I want to salute you and continue to fight to fix the PPPS from within.
28:17I will listen up there.
28:17Thank you, Colin.
28:19Ms. Sally.
28:20Thank you very much, Colin.
28:21Let me deal with your two issues.
28:22Let me deal with the one with the publication.
28:23I am aware of the publication that you are speaking about.
28:27And I am also aware of the religious aspect in it.
28:30And I am saying, Whitney, and this brings a point.
28:33That while persons have a freedom of expression, this particular publication may have gone...
28:38Too far.
28:39Well, exactly.
28:40And not too far from our context.
28:43But also may be bordering on acts of very serious criminality.
28:45And for those who may be looking at that, and I don't pronounce like this, but I'll pronounce like this
28:50this afternoon.
28:51The law enforcement in particular.
28:53If they are not aware, or if they are treating with it, there is reasonable cause to believe or suspect
28:58that that person may have committed a very serious offense.
29:00An offense under the Sedition Act, where you are inciting hatred or hostility between two or more cross-sections of
29:07the society.
29:08And also with an emergency powers regulation, where you are making a statement that may be prejudicial to public safety
29:14and security based on what's happening.
29:16So any person who is aware of that video, I want to ask you to desist from further publication.
29:21And as a society, sometimes we need to be responsible.
29:23Do not join in the republication of those videos.
29:26Let us cease, leave it where it is, and let law enforcement extract it, investigate it, and the persons who
29:32are the speaker, let us treat with them.
29:35Is it really, sorry, you're going to say something?
29:36No, I'm just bringing information forward that the person was detained, the TTPS acted quickly on it.
29:42And under the SOE regulations, the person was detained.
29:46Well, I'm happy to hear that.
29:47You know, I'm not directly within the TTPS, but I'm happy to hear that that person is in custody.
29:52And I hope there's a diligent investigation to ensure that we send a very clear message.
29:56As it relates to the second issue, Kola, you brought tears to my eyes.
30:01Because I say on public television that I have always told my parents, I've always told my family that I
30:07went to law school not to get justice for persons and not get justice for myself.
30:12And in this particular matter that you spoke about, I think it was important for the TTPS, not only as
30:16an individual context.
30:17And hence why I took it from the High Court and took it to the Court of Appeal to be
30:22able to signal to the TTPS and the construct of the TTPS with reference a need for serious reform in
30:27the police service.
30:28And perhaps, Whitney, if I do not benefit from it, others who are coming will be able to benefit from
30:33it.
30:33And I think that sometimes this is where, as individuals, we need to stand up for justice.
30:38Because justice is, and going to the courts to be able to fix a system is one aspect of doing
30:43it.
30:43So I feel very humbled by it.
30:46You know, I have full confidence in the courts of Trinidad and Tobago.
30:49They have delivered to me.
30:50And I hope that this now can be used to look at reforms in the police service for the betterment
30:55of every single citizen in Trinidad and Tobago,
30:57where we get our best minds to be able to lead this fight where crime and criminality is concerned.
31:02So I want to thank you very much, Kola, for your support.
31:04And all those with me, I must say that when that was published, I got calls from every sector of
31:09the society.
31:10And I'm very humbled by it because it wasn't an easy period.
31:13It lasted for about six years.
31:15It cost me monies.
31:17It cost my family distress.
31:19But I had to take steps for justice.
31:21And I did that, and I'm very satisfied and happy with that.
31:24So thanks for allowing me to comment on that.
31:26But I'm very emotional with that.
31:28All right.
31:28At this time, we take that break.
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