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Metal department foreman testifies he visited factory around 12:20 on day of murder and found Frank alone in office

L. A. Quinn, foreman of the metal department at the National Pencil Factory, the department in which Mary Phagan worked, was called to the stand and testified as follows.

Quinn confirmed that he knew Mary Phagan and that she worked in his department alongside other girls as well as Henry Smith and John Ramey, all working together in the same room. The last time he saw her was the Monday before the murder. He left the factory on Friday and was not due back until Monday morning.

He rose at 7 o'clock Saturday morning. He and his wife went uptown to have their baby's photograph taken, leaving home at 9:30 and reaching the photographer's at 10. They came back down Whitehall Street, stopped at the Globe Clothing store to talk with friends, continued to a meat market where they spent about five minutes, then stopped at a soda fountain before returning home at 11:15. Quinn left again at 11:45, heading to a meat market, then to a soda fountain at Benjamin's Pharmacy where he bought two cigars. It was a few minutes after noon at that point. He then walked to the National Pencil Company.

His purpose in going, he said, was to speak with Mr. Schiff. He did not see Mary Phagan. He estimated his arrival at around 12:20.

Spoke to Frank

The only person he found in the office was Mr. Frank. Quinn greeted him and stayed approximately two minutes. He placed his arrival somewhere between 12:15 and 12:30, but when asked whether it could have been as late as 12:30, he said no. Asked how he could be certain, he replied that he was somewhere else at 12:30.

Upon leaving the factory he ran into Mr. Malsby outside, who told him that the girls, meaning Mrs. Freeman and Miss Corinthia Hall, were in the Busy Bee Café at Hunter and Forsyth Streets. Quinn went to the café, found Miss Hall and Mrs. Freeman there, and stayed about two minutes before all three left together. The women went to Malsby's to use the telephone.

Went to Pool Hall Then

Quinn went to DeToro Brothers pool parlors, arriving at 12:30 and staying until 1:15. He then went to the Atlanta Theater, arriving around 1:20. He estimated the walk from his home to the factory at between twelve and fifteen minutes.

He described Frank as wearing a brown suit when he saw him at the factory. On Sunday, Quinn met with Mr. Darley and Mr. Montague at 9:30 and went with them into the basement with a lantern. He later saw Frank at Bloomfield's on Sunday afternoon, dressed in what appeared to be a black or blue suit. Frank said nothing beyond hello.

Refreshed Frank's Memory

Quinn flatly denied telling any officer that he had not been at the factory since Friday. He denied saying so to Officer Payne and denied saying it to Detective Starnes.

He told the coroner that after Frank had been locked up, he had visited him and brought up his Saturday presence at the factory. The subject arose while the two were
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00:00Quinn, foreman over slain girl, tells of seeing Frank, Atlanta, Georgian, Thursday, May 8, 1913.
00:06L.A. Quinn, foreman of the department of the pencil factory in which Mary Fagan worked,
00:10testified as follows. Q. What is your business? A. Machinist. Q. Did you know Mary Fagan? A. Yes.
00:17Q. What is your department? A. Metal department. Q. What department was she in? A. Same. Q. When
00:22did you see Mary Fagan last? A. The Monday before the murder. Q. Do you know her associates? A.
00:27I know some who talked with her girls. Q. Any boys in that department? A. Henry Smith and John
00:32Ramey. Q. Were they thrown together? A. All were working in the same room. Q. When did you leave
00:36the factory? A. Friday. Q. When were you to return? A. Monday morning. Q. What time did you arise?
00:42Saturday morning. A. 7 a.m. Q. Where did you go? A. My wife and I went uptown and had
00:46baby's picture
00:47made. We left home at 9.30 and got to the photographer's at 10. We then came down White
00:51Hall and stopped in the Globe clothing store and talked to friends and then came on down White
00:55Hall Street and stopped at a meat market. We were there about five minutes. Then we went
01:00to a soda fountain and then home. We reached home at 11.15 and left again at 11.45 and
01:06I
01:06went to a meat market. I went from there to a soda fountain at Benjamin's Pharmacy and bought
01:11two cigars. It was a few moments after 12 then. Then I went to the National Pencil Company.
01:17Q. What did you go for? A. To speak to Mr. Schiff. Q. Did you see Mary Fagan? A. No.
01:23Q. What time was it when you went to the factory? A. About 12.20. Q. Are you sure it
01:29was not after
01:2912 when you left your home? A. Yes. Q. How long were you at the meat market? A. About 10
01:34minutes.
01:34Q. What part of the factory did you go to? A. To the office. Q. Who was there? A. Mr.
01:39Frank. Q.
01:39Anyone else? A. No. Spoke to Frank. Q. What did you say? A. Good morning, Mr. Frank. Q. How long
01:44were
01:44you in there? A. About two minutes. Q. Do you know the exact time? A. It was between 12.15
01:49and 12.30. Q.
01:50Q. Could it have been as late as 12.30? A. No. Q. How do you know? A. I was
01:54at another
01:55place at 12.30. Q. Where did you go then? A. Outside the factory. Q. Whom did you meet?
02:00A. Mr. Malsby. Q. What did he say? A. He said that the girls meaning Mrs. Freeman and
02:04Miss Carinthia Hall were in the restaurant. Q. What restaurant did he mean? A. Busy B-calf
02:09at Hunter and Forsyth Streets. Q. What did you do then? A. I went to the restaurant. Went to
02:14Pool Hall. Then Q. Who was there? A. Miss Hall and Mrs. Freeman. Q. How long were you in the
02:19calf? A. About two minutes they came out with me. Q. Where did they go? A. To Malsby's
02:23to use the phone. Q. Where did you go? A. DeToro Brothers Pool Parlors. Q. What time
02:29was it? A. At 12.30. Q. How long were you there? A. Till 1.15. Q. How long does
02:35it take
02:35you to walk to the factory from your home? A. Between 12 and 15 minutes. Q. Where did you
02:40go when you left the pool room? A. To Atlanta Theater. Describes Frank's attire. Q. Who is
02:44John Rainey? A. I don't know. Only he operates a machine in my department. Q. What time did
02:49you get to the Atlanta Theater? A. About 1.20. Q. How was Frank dressed when you were
02:53in the factory? A. Wore brown suit. Q. Who did you talk to on Sunday? A. Mr. Darley
02:58and Mr. Montague. Q. What time? A. 9.30. Q. Where did you go? A. We took a lantern and
03:03went into the basement. Q. Did you see Frank on Sunday? A. I saw him at Bloomfield Sunday
03:08afternoon. Q. How was he dressed? A. I think he wore a black or a blue suit. Q. What did
03:13he say? A. Nothing except hello. Q. Did you tell any of the officers that you had not been
03:18at the factory since Friday? A. No. Q. You didn't tell Officer Payne? A. No. Q. You didn't
03:24tell Detective Starnes? A. No. Refreshed Frank's memory. Q. How was Frank dressed on Monday?
03:29A. I think he wore a brown suit. Q. What is the name of the white substance kept in the
03:33barrel
03:34in the factory? A. Haskeline. Q. Did you talk to Frank about your being in the office on Saturday?
03:39A. A. I refreshed his memory of my being there. Q. When? A. I don't remember the exact date. It
03:45was
03:46after he had been locked up. Q. How did you refresh his memory? A. We were discussing the supposition
03:52of the girl having never left the factory. I told him why I was there Saturday after the time you
03:57say
03:57Mary Fagan was. He said he remembered me being there but wasn't sure of the time. I told him what
04:02time it was and he said he would tell his lawyers. I told him I did not want to be
04:06drawn into the case
04:07but if it would help him I would do so. Questioned of talk with girl. Q. Were you alone with
04:12Frank
04:12when you talked of this? A. Yes. The witness was questioned closely regarding any conversation
04:17he might have had with Grace Jones, one of the girls working at the factory. He denied having
04:22discussed the murder with her at all or having made the remark that he had not been at the factory
04:27on Saturday. Q. Did you go out to the Coleman's home after the murder? A. Yes. Q. Did you discuss
04:34with them about Frank having fixed the machines? A. No. Q. Is there a man working at the place
04:39named Barrett? A. Yes. Q. Did you tell him you were there on Saturday? A. No. Q. Why was the
04:46first
04:47person you told you had been there on Saturday? A. I told my father I had been there. Q. Did
04:52you ever
04:52tell an officer? A. Yes, Chief Lanford. Q. You said that you had very little to do at the factory
04:57and
04:57came down to see Frank? A. Yes, I was down there three or four hours a day for several days.
05:02tells how he is paid. Q. Did your pay go on while you were here? A. Yes. Q. Have you
05:08been off at
05:08other times? A. Yes. Q. Did you receive full pay? A. Ever since I have been foreman? Q. Do you
05:14get
05:14paid by hour, day, or week? A week. Q. Are you sure you had never told any officer of this
05:19before
05:20telling Frank? A. Yes. Q. Why did you just tell him? A. Well, I knew he wouldn't question me three
05:26or
05:26four hours like the officers would. Questioned as to his duty toward solving the mystery, witness said he
05:31thought if the officers were making a thorough investigation they would certainly question
05:35him, as he was foreman of the metal department. Q. I knew they had three or four men locked up,
05:40he said, and as I had been in the building they might lock me up too.
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