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Thursday, May 8th, 1913

Witnesses Are Quizzed in Detail, but Nothing Important Brought Out. Officials Say They Are Satisfied With Case as It Is Being Developed.

Whatever evidence the police officials may have directly to connect any of the suspects with the killing of Mary Phagan, it was not produced at the early session of the Coroner's inquest Thursday.

What this evidence is the officials refuse to say—except that they are satisfied with the progress that is being made in unraveling the mystery.

Leo Frank, superintendent of the National Pencil Factory, is expected to be the most important witness of the day.

It is said that an entirely new line of questioning will be taken up.

W. W. ("Boots") Rogers, former county policeman, and Lemmie Quinn, foreman in the tipping department at the National Pencil Factory, were the principal witnesses. Neither gave testimony that was materially damaging to either Leo M. Frank or Newt Lee, who are being held in connection with the crime.

Rogers was questioned closely of the events of the morning the crime was discovered, and told of taking the officers to the scene in his automobile. Beyond his belief that Frank appeared nervous when he was visited at his home by the detectives, Rogers had no information that appeared to point suspicion in one direction more than another.

He was sure, however, that the time clock tape on which Newt Lee, the night watchman, registered his half-hour rounds of the factory had no "misses" when it was taken from the clock by Frank that morning. Three misses were found on a tape subsequently brought to Police Headquarters.

Quinn's Story Unchanged.

An effort was made without avail to break down the story of Lemmie Quinn that he was at the factory and talked to Frank between 12:10 and 12:20 the Saturday afternoon of the tragedy. Coroner Donehoo tried to get Quinn to admit that he previously had told officers who interviewed him that he was not at the factory between Friday and the following Sunday.

Quinn steadfastly refused to admit that he had made a statement of the sort. He supported Frank's testimony of last Monday by insisting that he visited the factory for a few minutes and went into Frank's office.

Miss Hattie Hall, the stenographer who was at the factory office Saturday until noon, was another of the witnesses called to the stand during the forenoon. She testified as to Frank's movements while she was there.

Frank Pale, but Calm.

Frank was brought into the Commissioner's Room in the police station before the inquest began, but later was excused and Rogers called.

The factory superintendent was pale, but calm and collected. He whispered a few words to his counsel, Luther Z. Rosser, and smiled faintly at a remark that was made to him. He appeared to show the strain of the days since he has been in a cell.

Lee was not admitted to the room at the beginning of the hearing, but was detained in a nearby office. The night watchman seemed almost indifferent.
Transcript
00:00Pinkerton detective tells of call from Factory Head, Atlanta, Georgian, Thursday, May 8th, 1913.
00:07Harry Scott, the Pinkerton detective who has been working on the case since the day of the crime,
00:12took the stand when Schiff concluded his testimony. Scott testified that Frank called him up Sunday
00:17afternoon before there was any talk of his arrest and asked the Pinkertons to begin work on the
00:22case and find the slayer. Scott testified as follows. Q. How are you interested in the Fagan
00:28case? A. I was retained by the National Pencil Company to find the guilty man. Q. Who retained
00:34you? A. I received a call from Mr. Frank and he told me what he knew about the case. Q.
00:40Where did
00:41Frank talk to you? A. Mr. Frank, Mr. Daly, Mr. Schiff and I went into the private office. Q. What
00:47did
00:47Frank say? A. He said. I guess you have read of the crime. We feel an interest in the matter
00:53and
00:53desire to retain the Pinkertons and try to locate the murderer. Tells he is suspected. Q. What else
00:59did he say? A. He said he had been down to the police headquarters and that Mr. Black seemed to
01:03suspect him of the crime. He told me of his movements on the day of the crime. He told me
01:08that about 12.10 Mary Fagan came into the office and drew her money, $1.20. At 12.50 he
01:14said. He went
01:15up to the fourth floor and saw Mr. White talking to Harry Denham and Arthur White. He said he left
01:20at
01:201.10 and went home and returned at 3. White and Denham, Frank told me, left about 3.10,
01:25leaving him alone in the building. Newt Lee reported at 4 but was sent away. Frank left the building
01:31about 6.15 and on the way out saw Newt Lee talking to James Gant. Mr. Frank allowed Gant to
01:37go inside
01:37of the factory to get some shoes and told Lee to go with him. Frank said he became worried over
01:42the
01:42presence of Gant in the building and called Lee at 7.30. Frank asked Lee if Gant had left the
01:47building and Lee said yes. Then Frank asked Lee if everything else was all right and Lee said yes.
01:53Q. Did you ask Frank any questions? A. No. Frank showed him building. Q. What did Frank show you?
01:59A. He showed me the elevator, the room where the blood and hair were found, the basement where the
02:03body was found and also the door. Q. Have you talked to him since? A. I talked to him one
02:08night
02:08with Detective Black at headquarters but did not try to get a statement. Q. Did he resent any of your
02:13questions? Did anyone ask you to withhold evidence? A. Mr. Hubert Haas asked me to keep the police from
02:19getting our evidence and I told him we'd withdraw from the case before we'd do that. Q. Tell of the
02:24interview between Lee and Frank. A. Mr. Black suggested that Frank talk to Lee since he employed
02:29him and to try to get Lee to tell all the truth of the matter. Q. What did Frank say
02:33to Lee? A. I don't
02:34know. They were together privately. Q. What did Lee say? A. Lee says that Frank didn't want to talk about
02:39the murder. Lee says he told Frank he knew the murder was committed in daytime and Frank hung
02:43his head and said, let's don't talk about that. Q. Did Frank tell you what happened at his conference
02:48with Lee? A. No. He said he tried to get something out of Lee but couldn't. Ask Lee about clock.
02:54Q. Do
02:55you remember Frank ever asking Lee anything about the clock slip? A. Yes, it was in Chief Lanford's
03:00office. Frank asked Lee about a skip on the record from 9 30 to 10 25. Lee said that he
03:05punched the
03:06clock regularly and Frank remarked that one word illegible looked mighty peculiar. Q. Tell us if
03:11this shirt was found two words illegible backyard. A. Yes. Q. When you first saw the shirt was it very
03:17bloody? A. Yes, it was very bloody on the right shoulder. The shirt looked as though it had been
03:22freshly washed but not ironed. The blood spots looked fresh. Fred Bullard and Black said they found
03:28the shirt in a rag barrel in Lee's backyard. The shirt looked as though it might not have been worn
03:33since
03:33being washed. Couldn't explain spots. Q. Was the shirt torn? A. We tore a piece out of the shirt and
03:40showed it to Lee and he said he had a shirt with a flower design on it like this piece.
03:44We showed him
03:45the shirt then and he said at first that he thought it might be his shirt although he had not
03:49seen it
03:49for two years. He said he did not know how the blood spots got on it. After looking at the
03:54shirt again he
03:55said he did not believe it was his shirt. Q. What size shirt was it? A. We could not tell.
04:01Q. Have you any
04:02definite clue as to who committed this murder? A. I would not care to commit myself that far.
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