00:00Pinkerton detective tells of call from Factory Head, Atlanta, Georgian, Thursday, May 8th, 1913.
00:07Harry Scott, the Pinkerton detective who has been working on the case since the day of the crime,
00:12took the stand when Schiff concluded his testimony. Scott testified that Frank called him up Sunday
00:17afternoon before there was any talk of his arrest and asked the Pinkertons to begin work on the
00:22case and find the slayer. Scott testified as follows. Q. How are you interested in the Fagan
00:28case? A. I was retained by the National Pencil Company to find the guilty man. Q. Who retained
00:34you? A. I received a call from Mr. Frank and he told me what he knew about the case. Q.
00:40Where did
00:41Frank talk to you? A. Mr. Frank, Mr. Daly, Mr. Schiff and I went into the private office. Q. What
00:47did
00:47Frank say? A. He said. I guess you have read of the crime. We feel an interest in the matter
00:53and
00:53desire to retain the Pinkertons and try to locate the murderer. Tells he is suspected. Q. What else
00:59did he say? A. He said he had been down to the police headquarters and that Mr. Black seemed to
01:03suspect him of the crime. He told me of his movements on the day of the crime. He told me
01:08that about 12.10 Mary Fagan came into the office and drew her money, $1.20. At 12.50 he
01:14said. He went
01:15up to the fourth floor and saw Mr. White talking to Harry Denham and Arthur White. He said he left
01:20at
01:201.10 and went home and returned at 3. White and Denham, Frank told me, left about 3.10,
01:25leaving him alone in the building. Newt Lee reported at 4 but was sent away. Frank left the building
01:31about 6.15 and on the way out saw Newt Lee talking to James Gant. Mr. Frank allowed Gant to
01:37go inside
01:37of the factory to get some shoes and told Lee to go with him. Frank said he became worried over
01:42the
01:42presence of Gant in the building and called Lee at 7.30. Frank asked Lee if Gant had left the
01:47building and Lee said yes. Then Frank asked Lee if everything else was all right and Lee said yes.
01:53Q. Did you ask Frank any questions? A. No. Frank showed him building. Q. What did Frank show you?
01:59A. He showed me the elevator, the room where the blood and hair were found, the basement where the
02:03body was found and also the door. Q. Have you talked to him since? A. I talked to him one
02:08night
02:08with Detective Black at headquarters but did not try to get a statement. Q. Did he resent any of your
02:13questions? Did anyone ask you to withhold evidence? A. Mr. Hubert Haas asked me to keep the police from
02:19getting our evidence and I told him we'd withdraw from the case before we'd do that. Q. Tell of the
02:24interview between Lee and Frank. A. Mr. Black suggested that Frank talk to Lee since he employed
02:29him and to try to get Lee to tell all the truth of the matter. Q. What did Frank say
02:33to Lee? A. I don't
02:34know. They were together privately. Q. What did Lee say? A. Lee says that Frank didn't want to talk about
02:39the murder. Lee says he told Frank he knew the murder was committed in daytime and Frank hung
02:43his head and said, let's don't talk about that. Q. Did Frank tell you what happened at his conference
02:48with Lee? A. No. He said he tried to get something out of Lee but couldn't. Ask Lee about clock.
02:54Q. Do
02:55you remember Frank ever asking Lee anything about the clock slip? A. Yes, it was in Chief Lanford's
03:00office. Frank asked Lee about a skip on the record from 9 30 to 10 25. Lee said that he
03:05punched the
03:06clock regularly and Frank remarked that one word illegible looked mighty peculiar. Q. Tell us if
03:11this shirt was found two words illegible backyard. A. Yes. Q. When you first saw the shirt was it very
03:17bloody? A. Yes, it was very bloody on the right shoulder. The shirt looked as though it had been
03:22freshly washed but not ironed. The blood spots looked fresh. Fred Bullard and Black said they found
03:28the shirt in a rag barrel in Lee's backyard. The shirt looked as though it might not have been worn
03:33since
03:33being washed. Couldn't explain spots. Q. Was the shirt torn? A. We tore a piece out of the shirt and
03:40showed it to Lee and he said he had a shirt with a flower design on it like this piece.
03:44We showed him
03:45the shirt then and he said at first that he thought it might be his shirt although he had not
03:49seen it
03:49for two years. He said he did not know how the blood spots got on it. After looking at the
03:54shirt again he
03:55said he did not believe it was his shirt. Q. What size shirt was it? A. We could not tell.
04:01Q. Have you any
04:02definite clue as to who committed this murder? A. I would not care to commit myself that far.
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