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Leo M. Frank, general superintendent of the National Pencil factory, was recalled to the witness stand Friday and subjected to a fresh round of questioning by the coroner, with jurors pressing him on details he had not addressed in prior testimony.

Questions About the Elevator

The coroner opened by turning Frank's attention to the factory elevator. He wanted to know the nature of the shaft door on the office floor. Frank described it as a heavy, solid door that slides up and down.

Where had the elevator been on Saturday, April 26, the day of the murder? Frank said he had not noticed. Where on Friday night? Again, he had not noticed. Had the door been open Saturday? He could not say.

When asked whether someone could fall into the open shaft, Frank noted there is a bar across the door. As for the elevator's position after the murder, he could only confirm it was at the office floor when he arrived Sunday morning.

The coroner then turned to the time-clock record. Frank said he removed the slip, marked the time on it, and handed it to an officer, though he could not recall which one.

The Party That Went Unmentioned

Questioned next about the gathering at his home on the night of the murder, an event his mother-in-law and father-in-law had already described from the stand, Frank confirmed a group of guests had been present.

Why had he not mentioned this in his earlier testimony?

"I wasn't asked," he replied.

When pressed to name those present, Frank corroborated what his in-laws had already said about who attended. He had paid them little attention, he said, greeting them briefly before returning to his reading in the front room.

"Didn't the guests have to pass you when they went to the dining room from the front door?"

"Yes," he said.

The Morning He Was Summoned

Asked about the Sunday morning officers came to bring him to the factory, Frank said he had told his wife he wanted something warm to drink. One of the officers remarked that something would do him good, the implication being whiskey. Frank was clear that he meant coffee.

On the question of the late-night telephone call, Frank repeated his earlier account: he had initially believed he dreamed the phone ringing, and only concluded it was real after being told officers had tried to reach him.

He was asked whether he saw Mary Phagan's body. He had, he said. He walked in, the light was turned on, and he recognized her as the girl he had paid the previous day.

When had he first heard her name?

He could not recollect.

Tells of Quinn's Visit

Frank said that Lemmie Quinn, a factory foreman, first mentioned his Saturday visit to the factory while Frank was at police headquarters. Quinn had said simply, "I was there at the office Saturday," and Frank recalled the episode when Quinn named the time.
Transcript
00:00Superintendent Frank is once more put on witness stand.
00:02Atlanta Journal, Friday, May 9th, 1913, page 6, column 2.
00:07Leo M. Frank, General Superintendent of the National Pencil Factory, was recalled to the stand.
00:13He was questioned regarding the elevator.
00:15The coroner wanted to know what kind of a door there is to the shaft on the office floor.
00:19The witness replied that it is a heavy door solid that slides up and down.
00:23Where was the elevator on Saturday, April 26th? he was asked.
00:27I didn't notice.
00:28Where was it on Friday night?
00:30I didn't notice.
00:32Was the door open on Saturday?
00:33I didn't notice.
00:35Asked whether it would not be possible for someone to fall into the elevator shaft if the door was open,
00:40he replied that there is a bar across the door.
00:43Where was the elevator after the murder?
00:45I can only say it was at the office floor on Sunday morning, replied the witness.
00:50The coroner reverted to the time clock.
00:52What time did you take the slip out of the clock? he asked.
00:55I took it out, marked the time on it, and handed it to an officer.
00:58Sir, replied the witness.
01:00What officers?
01:01I don't remember.
01:03Regarding the guests who, his mother-in-law and father-in-law testified, called at their home Saturday evening, the
01:10coroner asked him next.
01:11Do you remember a party at your home on the night of the murder?
01:15Yes.
01:16Why didn't you tell about it when you were on the stand before?
01:19I wasn't asked.
01:20We asked you about whom you saw.
01:22Now can you tell us who was there?
01:23Mr. Frank named them, corroborating what his father-in-law and mother-in-law had testified as to their identity.
01:30He didn't pay much attention to them, said Frank.
01:32He merely greeted them and continued his reading.
01:35Where were you sitting?
01:36In the front room.
01:38Didn't the guests have to pass you when they went to the dining room from the front door?
01:42Yes.
01:43When the officers came out Sunday morning to bring you down to the factory, what was said about something to
01:48drink?
01:49I told my wife I wanted something warm to drink.
01:52One of the officers said that something would do me good.
01:54The implication was whiskey, but I didn't mean that.
01:57What I wanted was a cup of coffee.
01:59He was asked regarding the telephone call during the night and repeated that he thought when he got up that
02:04he had dreamed of the telephone ringing,
02:06and that later when he was told the officers had tried to get him, he concluded that the dream was
02:11real.
02:12Did you see the girl's body?
02:14Yes.
02:14I walked in, and they turned on the light, and I looked at the body, recognizing her as the girl
02:20I had paid the day before.
02:22When did you hear the name first?
02:24I don't recollect.
02:26What time did you get home on Sunday?
02:28I don't remember, but I think it was about one o'clock.
02:31When he telephoned home to his wife Sunday morning, he did not give her any of the details of what
02:36had happened, said he.
02:37When you went home, did you go into details?
02:40No, I merely told them what the detectives found.
02:43We didn't discuss it very much.
02:45What topic did you discuss?
02:46I don't remember.
02:49Tells of Quinn's visit.
02:50The witness said that Lemmy Quinn, a foreman in the factory, first told him about the visit to the factory
02:55on one of the two days that he spent at police headquarters.
02:58He said Quinn remarked,
03:00I was there at the office Saturday.
03:02The witness said he recalled it when Quinn mentioned about the time.
03:05Mr. Frank could not recollect having told Quinn anything about withholding information about that point until his lawyers could pass
03:11on it.
03:12He had so many visitors, he couldn't remember a detail like that, he said.
03:15He couldn't remember who made the suggestion about consulting attorneys.
03:19He didn't know whether Quinn knew, when he recalled the visit to mind, whether he had a lawyer.
03:24He didn't remember how long he had counsel at that time.
03:27When did Quinn mention this visit on Saturday?
03:30I don't remember.
03:32How can you lock the door into the dressing room where the blood was found?
03:35I don't know, I suppose with keys.
03:37There is a door with a lock in the partition.
03:39A spring in the lock keeps it closed.
03:42Is there any way to lock the doors and stop passage on the back stairs?
03:46There are doors to the stairs, but I never heard of them being locked recently.
03:50Tells of telephone conversation.
03:52The witness was asked other questions, whose purport was not evident, about these two doors and how they stood that
03:57day, and the locks on them, etc.
03:59The fact was brought out that there was only one lavatory on that floor, and Mr. Frank, answering a direct
04:05question, said he did not enter it all day to the best of his recollection.
04:09Regarding his telephone conversation with a detective who called him early Sunday morning, Mr. Frank said he didn't know who
04:15it was, but learned later that it was a detective.
04:18I would like to have you come down at once, he said he was told.
04:21He asked what had happened, and was told there had been a tragedy, and they wanted him to identify someone.
04:27He asked me over the phone if I knew Mary Fagan.
04:30I told him I did not.
04:31Then he asked me if I hadn't paid off a little girl who worked in the tipping department Saturday afternoon.
04:36I said yes, and he said, we'll send out after you right away.
04:40Didn't you say the other day that the first time you heard Mary Fagan's name was in the automobile going
04:45downtown?
04:46No.
04:47Do you remember whether or not Harry Denham and Arthur White had any lunch with them on the fourth floor?
04:52I don't remember.
04:54When you came downstairs to go out to lunch, did you lock the doors leading into the office?
04:58The witness did not remember.
05:00He was asked as to the disposition of the papers he had been working on.
05:04He could remember putting them under a paperweight, but could not remember whether or not he closed his desk.
05:09The only people in the building when he left there for lunch, said he, were Henry Denham and Arthur White
05:14and Mrs. White.
05:15His work Saturday afternoon.
05:17One of the jurors asked him if he had had any trouble that day about the time pay of one
05:23of the girls working in the factory.
05:24He said no, but that Darley had noticed a discrepancy in the time of Miss Maddie Smith and had deducted
05:30some cash from the envelope.
05:31Another juror asked, did you work on the financial sheet only in the afternoon?
05:36Yes, he got together a few papers pertaining to it, said the witness, before he went to lunch.
05:41The last thing he did there that afternoon was to balance his cash.
05:45Did Miss Hall, the stenographer, assist you?
05:48No.
05:48He named again all the people whom he saw about the factory that day.
05:52Do you know May Barrett?
05:54Asked a juror.
05:55Mr. Frank had not called that name.
05:57I never heard of her, answered the witness.
06:00He said she could be employed somewhere in the factory, however, without his knowing it.
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