00:00Superintendent Frank is once more put on witness stand.
00:02Atlanta Journal, Friday, May 9th, 1913, page 6, column 2.
00:07Leo M. Frank, General Superintendent of the National Pencil Factory, was recalled to the stand.
00:13He was questioned regarding the elevator.
00:15The coroner wanted to know what kind of a door there is to the shaft on the office floor.
00:19The witness replied that it is a heavy door solid that slides up and down.
00:23Where was the elevator on Saturday, April 26th? he was asked.
00:27I didn't notice.
00:28Where was it on Friday night?
00:30I didn't notice.
00:32Was the door open on Saturday?
00:33I didn't notice.
00:35Asked whether it would not be possible for someone to fall into the elevator shaft if the door was open,
00:40he replied that there is a bar across the door.
00:43Where was the elevator after the murder?
00:45I can only say it was at the office floor on Sunday morning, replied the witness.
00:50The coroner reverted to the time clock.
00:52What time did you take the slip out of the clock? he asked.
00:55I took it out, marked the time on it, and handed it to an officer.
00:58Sir, replied the witness.
01:00What officers?
01:01I don't remember.
01:03Regarding the guests who, his mother-in-law and father-in-law testified, called at their home Saturday evening, the
01:10coroner asked him next.
01:11Do you remember a party at your home on the night of the murder?
01:15Yes.
01:16Why didn't you tell about it when you were on the stand before?
01:19I wasn't asked.
01:20We asked you about whom you saw.
01:22Now can you tell us who was there?
01:23Mr. Frank named them, corroborating what his father-in-law and mother-in-law had testified as to their identity.
01:30He didn't pay much attention to them, said Frank.
01:32He merely greeted them and continued his reading.
01:35Where were you sitting?
01:36In the front room.
01:38Didn't the guests have to pass you when they went to the dining room from the front door?
01:42Yes.
01:43When the officers came out Sunday morning to bring you down to the factory, what was said about something to
01:48drink?
01:49I told my wife I wanted something warm to drink.
01:52One of the officers said that something would do me good.
01:54The implication was whiskey, but I didn't mean that.
01:57What I wanted was a cup of coffee.
01:59He was asked regarding the telephone call during the night and repeated that he thought when he got up that
02:04he had dreamed of the telephone ringing,
02:06and that later when he was told the officers had tried to get him, he concluded that the dream was
02:11real.
02:12Did you see the girl's body?
02:14Yes.
02:14I walked in, and they turned on the light, and I looked at the body, recognizing her as the girl
02:20I had paid the day before.
02:22When did you hear the name first?
02:24I don't recollect.
02:26What time did you get home on Sunday?
02:28I don't remember, but I think it was about one o'clock.
02:31When he telephoned home to his wife Sunday morning, he did not give her any of the details of what
02:36had happened, said he.
02:37When you went home, did you go into details?
02:40No, I merely told them what the detectives found.
02:43We didn't discuss it very much.
02:45What topic did you discuss?
02:46I don't remember.
02:49Tells of Quinn's visit.
02:50The witness said that Lemmy Quinn, a foreman in the factory, first told him about the visit to the factory
02:55on one of the two days that he spent at police headquarters.
02:58He said Quinn remarked,
03:00I was there at the office Saturday.
03:02The witness said he recalled it when Quinn mentioned about the time.
03:05Mr. Frank could not recollect having told Quinn anything about withholding information about that point until his lawyers could pass
03:11on it.
03:12He had so many visitors, he couldn't remember a detail like that, he said.
03:15He couldn't remember who made the suggestion about consulting attorneys.
03:19He didn't know whether Quinn knew, when he recalled the visit to mind, whether he had a lawyer.
03:24He didn't remember how long he had counsel at that time.
03:27When did Quinn mention this visit on Saturday?
03:30I don't remember.
03:32How can you lock the door into the dressing room where the blood was found?
03:35I don't know, I suppose with keys.
03:37There is a door with a lock in the partition.
03:39A spring in the lock keeps it closed.
03:42Is there any way to lock the doors and stop passage on the back stairs?
03:46There are doors to the stairs, but I never heard of them being locked recently.
03:50Tells of telephone conversation.
03:52The witness was asked other questions, whose purport was not evident, about these two doors and how they stood that
03:57day, and the locks on them, etc.
03:59The fact was brought out that there was only one lavatory on that floor, and Mr. Frank, answering a direct
04:05question, said he did not enter it all day to the best of his recollection.
04:09Regarding his telephone conversation with a detective who called him early Sunday morning, Mr. Frank said he didn't know who
04:15it was, but learned later that it was a detective.
04:18I would like to have you come down at once, he said he was told.
04:21He asked what had happened, and was told there had been a tragedy, and they wanted him to identify someone.
04:27He asked me over the phone if I knew Mary Fagan.
04:30I told him I did not.
04:31Then he asked me if I hadn't paid off a little girl who worked in the tipping department Saturday afternoon.
04:36I said yes, and he said, we'll send out after you right away.
04:40Didn't you say the other day that the first time you heard Mary Fagan's name was in the automobile going
04:45downtown?
04:46No.
04:47Do you remember whether or not Harry Denham and Arthur White had any lunch with them on the fourth floor?
04:52I don't remember.
04:54When you came downstairs to go out to lunch, did you lock the doors leading into the office?
04:58The witness did not remember.
05:00He was asked as to the disposition of the papers he had been working on.
05:04He could remember putting them under a paperweight, but could not remember whether or not he closed his desk.
05:09The only people in the building when he left there for lunch, said he, were Henry Denham and Arthur White
05:14and Mrs. White.
05:15His work Saturday afternoon.
05:17One of the jurors asked him if he had had any trouble that day about the time pay of one
05:23of the girls working in the factory.
05:24He said no, but that Darley had noticed a discrepancy in the time of Miss Maddie Smith and had deducted
05:30some cash from the envelope.
05:31Another juror asked, did you work on the financial sheet only in the afternoon?
05:36Yes, he got together a few papers pertaining to it, said the witness, before he went to lunch.
05:41The last thing he did there that afternoon was to balance his cash.
05:45Did Miss Hall, the stenographer, assist you?
05:48No.
05:48He named again all the people whom he saw about the factory that day.
05:52Do you know May Barrett?
05:54Asked a juror.
05:55Mr. Frank had not called that name.
05:57I never heard of her, answered the witness.
06:00He said she could be employed somewhere in the factory, however, without his knowing it.
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