00:00Good morning. Jim Costa, John Jansen, Heather Park, Gov and Greg behind the glass as we settle in on a
00:06Wednesday.
00:06John's only day working this week.
00:09Does everyone want more fish talk?
00:15Text coming in. We'll talk Tigers. We got a Pistons topic as well.
00:19Got some Piston prices, some estimates. Want to know one, both, or neither?
00:23But on the Tigers, I turned the game off when it was 6-4 Tigers lead.
00:30Turned the game off to shower and lie down for the night.
00:32Checked the score. 10-6. I was brought to tears of laughter.
00:38Team's a joke, AJ and Novi.
00:40And that's the thing, is you just never fully believe.
00:43When was the last time they scored more than four runs?
00:47Prior to last night?
00:49Yeah, I mean, you're going back 22 or 23 games.
00:52Is that right?
00:53It might even be more than that.
00:54I'm looking at it, yeah.
00:56And I know that I was...
00:58May 10th against the Royals, they scored six and a win.
01:01Right.
01:02And was that the...
01:03That might be the last time they'd actually won a series.
01:06No, that was avoiding a sweep.
01:09Oh, so...
01:10Sorry.
01:11The last time they won a series...
01:12Out of touch.
01:13Last time they won a series was May 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
01:17when they took two of three against the Rangers.
01:19And I know on the broadcast, I was listening, I was watching the TV broadcast
01:24before I hopped in the truck last night, and they had mentioned how long it's been
01:30since they have scored more than four runs.
01:33And this was when the Angels were up 4-1.
01:39And it was like, you know, how much do you believe?
01:41It's just where this team is.
01:43And then all of a sudden, they're on fire in the fifth.
01:46But everyone is thinking the same thing, especially after the Kenley Jansen experience.
01:52How can they possibly lose this one?
01:55Guys, it's not snarky.
01:57It's a legit question.
01:57If it's ignorant on my part, so be it.
02:00Is this a manager issue with the team performing horribly in all facets?
02:04I don't know.
02:05I've got a lot of respect for AJ and his career as a manager.
02:13But to co-sign on the Veerling effort, and if you don't pull him, if you don't say anything
02:18other than he's just not playing fast enough, got caught not playing fast enough, you're
02:22co-signing on that.
02:23You're saying it's okay.
02:24That's Tiger baseball in the eyes of AJ Hinch.
02:27Yeah.
02:28And so, yeah, there's plenty of blame to put everywhere.
02:32But more and more of it's hitting AJ.
02:35Well, it's a growing sentiment.
02:37Another one says, it's time to have the Hinch talk.
02:39Zero sense of urgency.
02:40Lazy error seemingly every day.
02:43Veerling's the one yesterday.
02:44It's after the game.
02:46Instead of not good enough, it's excuses.
02:48It's like Kelvin Shepard.
02:51What makes the Tigers' performance thing even more is the White Sox are a 500-ball club.
02:56We'll see them this weekend.
02:57South side of Chicago.
02:58Let's be honest.
02:59Team has quit on the season.
03:00They play and act like winning and losing doesn't matter.
03:03Signed, Gary.
03:05DFA, Veerling, Perez, and Short bring up any three position players.
03:09IL Vest, add another arm, Phil and Selene.
03:12Going to my first Mudhens game today.
03:14Can't watch the Minor League Tigers anymore.
03:19Andy Dirks went on and on and on about how Torkelson's ball, if it was fair, would have been a
03:24grand slam and would have made a difference.
03:26No bleep.
03:27If my grandma had bait and tackle, she'd be grandpa.
03:30Signed, Steve.
03:33Please send in all your fishing references.
03:36Analogies.
03:37Yeah.
03:38Pretty brutal.
03:39Another page of text.
03:42Devella, Madison Heights.
03:43It's not bad enough that the Tigers are playing bad news Bears baseball, but the fact that you have a
03:47marginal player posting on Instagram about his home run five times in a loss tells me they don't even care
03:52about losing.
03:53Hey, Perez, scoreboard, SMDH.
03:58Here's the thing.
03:59In the next seven days, I'm not even worried about missing anything.
04:02You're not going to miss a thing, dude.
04:03Hasn't there become like a little bit of a Red Wings element to what the Tigers have been doing here
04:07the last three weeks?
04:09Jersey.
04:09So, jerseys, but how much do we get on Dylan Larkin for being a leader?
04:14And, I mean, we chastise him about, you know, the fact that it's been in his first year they made
04:20the playoffs, they haven't made it since, and something has to be wrong in the clubhouse.
04:26Well, how about this?
04:27Who is the leader of this team?
04:28It's a great question.
04:29Who's the one that's supposed to stand up?
04:31Is it Riley Green, your perennial all-star?
04:35Or are you simply waiting for Kevin McGonigal to grow a voice as a rookie?
04:40He's got the voice with his bat.
04:42He goes two singles, a triple, knocks in a couple of runs, gets a couple more walks.
04:47Like, what are we waiting for?
04:49Yeah, you can't ask it of a rookie.
04:50He's been very good.
04:51Very, very good.
04:52Better than, I think, people expected.
04:53He's a 3-2 war.
04:54Yeah, I think only Bobby Witt Jr. has a higher war of American League position players.
04:59Yeah.
04:59So, yeah, but I can't ask a guy who's played like 50 games to be the vocal leader of this
05:04club.
05:05But to your point, someone has to be.
05:07Right.
05:08How about this text?
05:09The Veerling play wasn't that bad.
05:11Signed, Patrick Kane.
05:18Veerling played the World Series for the Philadelphia Phillies.
05:21It was like a utility guy, but he's been in those games, and that's the effort we get?
05:26Yeah.
05:28Yeah, there is a Red Wing component to this, isn't there?
05:33Never want to be compared to our hockey team.
05:35I just don't know how you can go 17 losses in 20 games, and somebody doesn't say something
05:42out of the ordinary.
05:43You know?
05:44I don't get that.
05:45They're all toeing the company line.
05:47The little that I competed in sports, I don't get how somebody doesn't.
05:53John, this is like you guys going 3-13 in a season, you know, and doing stupid things
05:58on the field, or 2-14 with my last year with the Lions.
06:02But, okay, what is said in the locker room?
06:06Like, okay, cameras are off.
06:07Media has left.
06:08Something's got to be discussed.
06:10I mean, there's cliche things like the closed-door meeting, players-only meeting.
06:13Oh, no, please.
06:14If they come out and they say we had a players-only meeting, at that point, bring up the entire
06:18team from AAA, because the season is 100% over.
06:22There is nothing in sports that I hate more than the players-only meeting to get things
06:28right.
06:28All right.
06:29So, famously, back in the day, Jim Leland did it in 06.
06:32He was fed up with them scuffling around 500 a few weeks into the season, and it sparked
06:38their season.
06:39Like, what's the harm?
06:40What's the harm with A.J. acting out of character?
06:42That's what I said.
06:43What, are you going to hurt some feelings?
06:44There's nothing to lose.
06:44Yeah, well, you're going to be the worst team in the American League.
06:46You already are.
06:47I'm hurting a, you know, 200-hitters, players' feelings.
06:504A guys that shouldn't even be on the team.
06:52Worst war player in the game.
06:53Yeah, like, okay, to your point, what's the downside?
06:57Like, Stoney was in the first couple days this week.
06:59He's famous for that.
07:00What's the downside?
07:01What would be the downside?
07:02You'd go on a losing streak?
07:05You'd start making mental errors in the field because your manager...
07:08Oh, it's already happening.
07:10Yeah.
07:11I mean, it's...
07:12At this point...
07:13And it's...
07:14It's those quiet leaders, right?
07:17That when they say something, everybody was like, oh, whoa.
07:21We better get something going here.
07:22Like, it's not...
07:24It doesn't have to be labeled as out of character for AJ, but at some point, the frustration level,
07:31the boiling point, you reach it, and somebody loses their mind because they just simply can't
07:40take watching it.
07:42And especially from a former player like AJ is.
07:45Yep.
07:45And catchers are...
07:47They're tough.
07:48They're gritty.
07:49They want to see things done right.
07:51It's...
07:52I can't imagine that.
07:54And whether it's behind closed doors, I don't know, that there's not been a boiling point
07:58that has been reached by him or Scott Harris coming in or even Illich at some point.
08:06I'm paying you guys.
08:07We're a top 10 payroll.
08:08The guy's got to buck up.
08:09What the hell are you doing?
08:10I am spending more than I have at any point during my ownership, and this is the product
08:16I'm getting.
08:17Yeah, he should be livid.
08:18He's footing a bill for this thing.
08:21Now, you said AJ doesn't have to act out of character.
08:24Everybody's got their own way of doing this, but sometimes out of character...
08:27Oh, but it doesn't have to be labeled as out of character.
08:29No, but I'm saying sometimes it's...
08:30You catch people off guard by doing something out of character, right?
08:34Like, if it's the quiet guy that never raises his voice and then he does, you go, oh,
08:38boy.
08:38Right.
08:38But to me, we've got to label everything, right?
08:43And that's the world we live in right now.
08:44It doesn't have to be labeled as out of character.
08:46It just needs to be appropriate.
08:48Yes, it should be appropriate for that to happen in this point in time.
08:53Like, I'm looking at the roster.
08:54So McGonagall's having the best year.
08:56You tell me.
08:57The next group is obviously Green and Dingler.
09:00Does it have to come from a guy who's playing well?
09:03Does it fall on deaf ears of someone who's struggling?
09:05Yeah, I don't want to hear Torquo off.
09:08Start throwing stuff in the locker room.
09:10It probably doesn't land as well.
09:11So does it then fall on not a rookie?
09:13Is it Green?
09:14Is it Dingler?
09:15Dingler's a catcher.
09:15You manage your pitching staff.
09:16You are hitting.
09:17You lead the team in homers.
09:18No one expects perfection, right?
09:20So you can have it come from guys that have made mistakes, but it has to come from guys
09:26that are always doing the right things, that are always, hey, they're on time.
09:31You got somebody who's showing up late.
09:33It ruins your credibility.
09:34You got somebody that's constantly not giving effort.
09:37It ruins your credibility.
09:39Guys on the bright side, tickets are cheap.
09:4118 bucks for seats behind the Tiger dugout for tonight's game.
09:44Al in Dearborn.
09:45Go see Mike Trout.
09:48Torque is statistically the worst player in baseball with the bases loaded, I think.
09:51I don't even have to look it up.
09:52I'll take your word for it.
09:54Analytically, that was a Torque home run.
09:56Calvin in a truck.
09:58Are you familiar with that, John?
09:59Well, it was at the Cleveland Cavaliers.
10:03Analytically, they're the Eastern Conference champs.
10:06Yeah.
10:08Guys, I'm with you on the Veerling thing.
10:09At that moment, AJ announced to the world there is no accountability on this baseball team.
10:12I don't care if he's, quote, your best option.
10:14Yank him and throw Jake Rogers out there.
10:17So getting back to the analytical comment,
10:21once that comes out of your mouth,
10:24should you just realize it and say,
10:27I understand what I just said,
10:29and I'm ready to kick my own ass?
10:30Yes!
10:32Like, okay, you said it.
10:34Those words are going to be repeated.
10:37You got to follow it up with,
10:39I can't believe I just said that.
10:41Well, where this compares to that is it's the overuse of analytics.
10:44It's just a stupid thing about numbers.
10:47And I think the Tigers have fallen into that trap a little bit here in terms of matchups
10:51and trusting guys and the makeup of their bullpen, not having, you know,
10:56you got three guys out there.
10:57You don't know who's closing.
10:57I guess Jansen still is probably the true closer,
11:00but that's still the, that's where the team's bleeding.
11:03I could be.
11:04I very well could be.
11:05At this point, I'll take it.
11:06But think about what that says.
11:07The guy who's blown the most saves in baseball.
11:10All right.
11:12Woo!
11:13World Series bound and picking up steam.
11:15Sorry, guys.
11:16I'm unavailable for seven days, so don't call.
11:18Warm up, though.
11:19Get you a week.
11:19Work the elbow.
11:20I'll be fresh.
11:20Shoulder going.
11:21That'll be a thing.
11:22I'll be fresh when I come back.
11:23All right.
11:23Perfect.
11:24Coming up next, one, both, or neither.
11:26Got some prices for Asar and Durin.
11:29We'll play that game next.
11:30It's 97-1.
11:30It's 97-1.
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