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00:07Raulston, makers of Wheat Checks, Rice Checks, Instant Raulston, and Dry Crisp.
00:14The Raulston Purina Company, a famous checkerboard square in St. Louis, Missouri,
00:18presents the exciting television game, The Names the Same.
00:27And now let's meet our panel of famous names.
00:29Lovely radio and television actress, Joan Alexander.
00:35That man about Broadway whose column appears in the New York Herald Tribune
00:40and newspapers all over the country, High Gardner.
00:45The leading lady of the Jackie Gleason Show, Audrey Meadows.
00:53The creator of the comedy art known as Droodles, Roger Price.
01:00And now, a name everybody knows, the moderator and emcee of The Names the Same, Dennis James.
01:12Hi, everybody. Welcome once again to The Names the Same now.
01:14Once again, subtle ye back, and let's see if we can't get a laugh or two here tonight
01:17and see if we can't trip up the panel as we go along.
01:21And as you know, panel from past experience, you're in direct competition to one another.
01:25The losers will write out their checks.
01:27Let's waste no more time. Let's get on the way.
01:29Let's meet our first guest here tonight.
01:37Let's get close to the microphones if we can so they can hear us all right.
01:40I'm not going to ask you what your name is, certainly.
01:42Just where you're from. No more information than that.
01:45Carbondale, Illinois.
01:46All right.
01:46Now, I think that will be sufficient information for you, panel.
01:50We don't want to say any more than that,
01:51except to tell you that this lady you're looking at right now
01:54is related to a very, very famous person.
01:56So let's show everybody at home now exactly who you are.
02:09All right.
02:09Now, let's start with you, Joan.
02:11You have ten questions.
02:12This person you're related to, is it a male?
02:16Male, yes.
02:17Male.
02:18Is it your father?
02:19No.
02:19Your brother?
02:20No.
02:21Your son?
02:22No.
02:23I didn't think you could have a son that would be old enough to be famous.
02:26An uncle?
02:27No.
02:29A grandfather?
02:31Yes.
02:32Your grandfather.
02:33Is he in politics?
02:35Yes.
02:36Three questions, Joan.
02:37Is he from Illinois?
02:39I mean, does he represent Illinois?
02:41No.
02:42Uh, has he ever held a federal office?
02:44Yes.
02:45Uh, has he ever...
02:46Should I warn you?
02:47You have one question to go unless this is it.
02:49You're out of the whole game.
02:50Oh, how terrible.
02:51Uh, let's see.
02:53A federal office from Illinois.
02:54Well, I better pass.
02:56All right.
02:56Roger.
02:57Does he now hold a federal office?
02:59No.
03:00Uh, was he a senator?
03:02No.
03:04Was he, uh, a, uh...
03:07Not federal.
03:08...member of the cabinet?
03:09No.
03:10Did you want to change your mind because it might help them?
03:13Were you changing your mind again?
03:14Uh, I said he was not, uh, not a member of the cabinet.
03:17Oh, okay.
03:18But he was a senator maybe at one time, but then he was something else, huh?
03:20Well, there are several kinds of senators.
03:22It depends on what level you're speaking.
03:24Uh, was he, uh, a member of Congress at one time?
03:29No.
03:30Either house?
03:30No.
03:31No.
03:32And, uh, was he, uh, connected, uh, with the Roosevelt administration?
03:38Yes.
03:40He is a Democrat.
03:42Yes.
03:43Was he ever, uh, the, uh, was he ever connected with the Democratic Party as the chairman of
03:49the Democratic Party?
03:51He was connected with the Democratic Party.
03:53But not in an official capacity.
03:54Never as chairman.
03:55Never as chairman.
03:56Three questions, Roger.
03:57I think I'll pass to Audrey because she knows all about these things.
03:59Audrey?
03:59Sure.
04:02Uh, did your grandfather ever run for the presidency?
04:06Yes.
04:07Was he ever a president?
04:08Yes.
04:12Was your grandfather Roosevelt?
04:14Yes, he was.
04:23I think they did very well.
04:25They did.
04:26Now, this is Mrs. Seagrave, who is, uh, granddaughter of the famous president of FDR.
04:32And, uh, I thought maybe we could talk to you a little bit and get some information from
04:35you.
04:35All right.
04:38Yes.
04:38Oh, she's being buzzy.
04:40She certainly isn't buzzy.
04:42They do go together.
04:44Roger says you've gotten so big.
04:47You did actually live in the, in the White House, didn't you?
04:49Yes, I did.
04:50And, uh, you, they mentioned Sissy.
04:53Did you have a nickname maybe for, uh, President Roosevelt?
04:55Tell it yourself.
04:56What'd you call him?
04:57We called him Papa.
04:58And actually my name wasn't Sissy, it was Sissy.
05:01Sissy.
05:02Sissy.
05:03Did you ever spend much time with him or was he far too busy?
05:06Well, he was busy, but, um, we had our time with him in the morning, usually while he
05:11was having breakfast in his room.
05:13Um, we were allowed in to play on the bed or he read to us or told a story, something
05:18like that.
05:19I, I imagine it's true, Chris, that he's read, uh, Christmas Carol every year to the
05:24entire family and the staff at the White House, isn't that true?
05:27Yes, he did do that, yes.
05:28And, uh, I know on several occasions he read the Chris, Dickens Christmas Carol to the nation
05:33at large before Christmas, on Christmas Eve, I guess.
05:36Wonderful.
05:36Now, just one last question here, uh, and I know there must be a million memories with
05:40so great a man.
05:41Do you remember anything specifically that stands out in your mind as a child?
05:44How old were you when to live in the White House?
05:46I was six, almost seven.
05:49Do you remember anything back that far about the president?
05:52Well, what the, uh, lots of things, really.
05:55But one thing that I especially remember is, uh, driving around Hyde Park with him in his
06:01own automobile, which he operated by hand, all the, because he couldn't use his feet.
06:06It was fixed on the steering wheel so he could run his own car.
06:10And he drove us all over the countryside that way, and it was lots of fun.
06:14Well, on behalf of everybody here, I just want to say that it's a tremendous thrill to
06:17have a relatively so great a man here on names the same.
06:20And thank you on behalf of the Ralston folks for playing the game.
06:22And take care of your checks from everybody but every mother.
06:35I love Roger saying, you got so big as I used to play with it all the time when you
06:38were
06:38children.
06:39Well, let's meet our, our next guest now.
06:42Now, this is a special guest, a wonderful person, the talented school teacher turned
06:46humorist, nightclub and television personality, a good friend of everybody's in show business,
06:50Mr. Sam Levinson.
06:52Here he is.
06:56How are you, Sam?
06:59Here you are, Dennis.
07:00Now, actually, we're going to talk to Sam a little later on in the panel, uh, in the program
07:04panel.
07:04But we want to do this right now, is evict all of you.
07:07We want you to leave the stage.
07:09We have a soundproof booth back.
07:10I'm serious.
07:11We have a soundproof booth backstage.
07:13So this is something that Sam wants to do and say, we don't want you to know about
07:16it.
07:16So all of you, uh, make your way.
07:18It's comfortable back there.
07:19We have lounges and you will find yourselves too distraught.
07:24Goodbye.
07:25Don't go away feeling you missed at the present moment.
07:27Of course you won't be.
07:29I will give them a minute or so, uh, Sam, to get out there before you tell the audience
07:32you always fit.
07:35All right, Bob, thank you very much.
07:36Now, I think that, uh, the panel is comfortable in the soundproof booth.
07:40So right now, Sam, why don't you tell everybody what it is?
07:43Actually, Sam wants to trick the panel tonight.
07:46So that's why we sent them out.
07:47Tell the folks what you're going to do.
07:48Well, I like everybody on the panel.
07:50They're all good friends of mine.
07:52In fact, I'd like to be almost any one of them.
07:54In fact, I have an idea.
07:55I'd like to be the one who is asking me the questions at that particular moment.
08:00Catch it?
08:01I see.
08:01So in other words, if Audrey Meadows is asking you a question, at that moment, you'd like
08:05to be Audrey Meadows.
08:06Right.
08:06When it moves over to High Gardner, all of a sudden you'd like to be High Gardner.
08:09All right.
08:10Great.
08:10This will confuse everybody.
08:14All right.
08:15Is that clear to everybody now?
08:17Oh, sure.
08:17All right.
08:17So, uh, perhaps we'd better get the panel back here right now, ladies and gentlemen.
08:22So have them come on down from the booth.
08:26They getting them?
08:27All right.
08:28They're coming.
08:29We'll wait until we get seated a minute.
08:31And then I want to talk to you a little bit, Sam.
08:32Sir, always a pleasure working with you on television.
08:35It's certainly a pleasure watching when you do perform.
08:37So maybe we can talk a little bit about some of the new things you're doing.
08:40Come in.
08:41Hello.
08:42Hello.
08:43Nice to see you again.
08:44Where have you all been?
08:45Was it pardon?
08:46Having on the stairs.
08:47Have a seat right now.
08:48I'm going to talk to Sam for just a second, then we're going to play this game.
08:51As I started to say, Sam, I always watch you on TV.
08:54What are you planning on doing next?
08:55Well, I'm making personal appearances.
08:58I've just come from Chicago.
08:59I played at the Shape Reef.
09:00It's a nightclub.
09:01And I'm going to work at the Beachcomber in Miami Beach beginning next Thursday.
09:05Wonderful.
09:06It's nice getting around.
09:07How do you like working in clubs, Sam?
09:09Oh, it's wonderful.
09:10The intimate live audience.
09:10It's good not to have those red eyes staring you.
09:15To meet live people, real live people.
09:17You are talking about the television camera and not me, Sam.
09:20Yes.
09:20Okay.
09:21Your eyes are not red.
09:23They're blue.
09:24They're blue.
09:25No, it's interesting because when you come to a club, everybody comes out to see you.
09:28They sort of want to come to look at the body.
09:31They want to see whether you look like you're on TV.
09:34In fact, I had a woman stop me on the street.
09:36And she said, you look just like Sam Levinson.
09:39And I said, I am Sam Levinson.
09:41And it's just the same.
09:42The resemblance is terrific.
09:46I had a kid, a woman walking with a kid down the street in Chicago.
09:51And the kid took a look at me as though he'd seen a ghost.
09:54This is a television fan, obviously.
09:56He looks at me, looks me square in the eye and says, how'd you get out of the box?
10:02Sam, I think you know that I could listen to your jokes all night.
10:04But right now, everybody's anxious to see whether or not you're going to trip up the panel.
10:08I'm anxious to see that.
10:09Just a reminder to everybody, let's show the home audience what it is that Sam Levinson would like to be.
10:16Just as a reminder to everybody.
10:24All right, we'll start with you, Roger, because you don't look bright at all at this moment.
10:30It must be a very complicated whoosh because we never had to exit before like that.
10:34But Sam, is this a thing that you'd like to be, by any chance, a monkey or an ape like
10:41J. Fred Muggs?
10:43No, I don't think it's a monkey or an ape.
10:46No.
10:47And it is a human being?
10:50Yes.
10:51Yes.
10:52Is this person in show business?
10:54Uh-huh.
10:55Oh, surely.
10:56Is it someone who's nationally famous for being, say, handsome and having a lot of sex appeal?
11:05Not primarily.
11:08No, not famous nationally for being handsome.
11:12In other words, this person would be more of an intellect than a beauty.
11:15Yes, I would say that, definitely.
11:17More an intellect than a beauty.
11:19That's right.
11:20That's right.
11:20I would say that.
11:21Speaking of beauty, I think I'll pass the award here.
11:23That's nice.
11:24Audrey, you have ten questions.
11:25All right.
11:25This person is living, well-known in show business, and better known for intellect than beauty, right?
11:31Well, this person is living, well-known in show business, about better known for intellect than beauty.
11:37I think beauty more than intellect.
11:39I would go along with Sam on that.
11:45Yeah, don't you think, Sam?
11:46Oh, sure.
11:47Yeah.
11:48Is there something wrong with me?
11:49Didn't you just tell Ron?
11:54I don't think there's anything wrong with you that I can notice.
11:58I thought I was listening.
11:59Didn't he say to you they were...
12:01I thought he gave red mugs.
12:03Didn't he say what, Audrey?
12:04I didn't hear you.
12:04Well, I said not exactly.
12:05Now you got me so confused.
12:06I don't know what I said.
12:07Yes.
12:08I thought you said to him they were more known for intellect than beauty.
12:12Now you say...
12:13No, you weren't listening.
12:14He said that on this program tonight?
12:15No, you weren't listening.
12:17Come on, boys.
12:20All right.
12:21All right, so I changed my mind.
12:23All right.
12:23I've got all over again.
12:24I didn't hear you say it.
12:25I may have been...
12:26I brought a lawyer.
12:27Is this person known by any chance for outstanding physique?
12:36I'd say so.
12:39You're sure?
12:40Very much outstanding.
12:41You're not going to tell Hine no when it gets to him?
12:44Don't teach me how to play this guy.
12:49All right.
12:51Have you by any chance seen this person many times in boxing trunks?
13:02Not to my knowledge, no.
13:06You want me to go back to Roger?
13:08Well, thank you.
13:09What?
13:10You want me to go back to Roger?
13:11All right, your turn.
13:12You have ten questions, Hine.
13:15Sam, before I start to ask you any questions, I'd just like to say this.
13:19I can't understand why you would want to be anybody, because I think that anybody would want to be Sam
13:23Levinson.
13:24There you go.
13:29Nevertheless, nevertheless, this is one of the few times I don't feel that way, because this is completely mixed up.
13:34I'm going to try to sum up.
13:35We just got started.
13:37I don't know what you people are talking about.
13:38It's completely mixed up.
13:39Let's just play the game.
13:40I don't think anything's mixed up.
13:41Well, I think it's mixed up.
13:43All right.
13:45As a matter of fact, this is more like a Fred-wearing mixer than the name's the same up to
13:48now.
13:50Anyway, you stop me if I'm wrong.
13:52We have agreed on one thing up to this point, and that is that the person you're talking about is
13:56living, is in the entertainment business,
13:59and at the same time is extremely and almost spectacularly attractive, I mean, a terrific face and figure.
14:06Is that right?
14:08Well, this is great.
14:09I wouldn't say spectacularly.
14:14You see, this is what you're up against.
14:17I don't know where some people get ideas like that.
14:21Well, now, nice, pleasant, but not spectacular.
14:25I think you guys are trying to confuse us.
14:27That's what I think you're doing.
14:28Well, if I am, I thank you.
14:31What I'm trying to find out, is this person a man?
14:34Yes.
14:35We got a yes answer.
14:36Now, has this man any children?
14:40Yes.
14:41Well, I think the children's department belongs to you, Joan.
14:43You tell me.
14:45It's not exclusive with me, you know.
14:48I would certainly hope not.
14:49Yes, Joan.
14:50This person you'd like to be is a well-known father in show business, right?
14:57Well, it's a mother.
15:01It's a mother.
15:02It's a mother.
15:02It's a mother.
15:22It's a mother.
15:25It's a mother.
15:27It's a mother.
15:28It's a mother.
15:28You have to believe me.
15:29Everybody matters.
15:30All right, now, let's face it.
15:32This person is, is, is this a man or a woman?
15:36It's a woman.
15:38Oh, I hope that's clear.
15:41Now, let's not argue about it anymore.
15:43Is it a woman as well-known in television?
15:45Surely.
15:46Oh, yes.
15:47Is she a singer?
15:48No.
15:49Is she a dancer?
15:50Not that I know of, no.
15:52Is it likely that I have ever been introduced to her?
15:55No, no, no.
15:56You have never been introduced to her.
15:58I think that's it, panel.
16:00I think that now everybody is completely confused up on the stage.
16:03Try to explain, Sam.
16:05I know what his wish is.
16:06He wants to confuse us all.
16:08He did.
16:08Tell him what it is you were wishing, Sam.
16:10I wanted to be each one of you, in turn, as you ask the question.
16:14Oh, hello.
16:20Sam, thank you very much.
16:22Pick up your checks from everybody for your favorite child.
16:24Thanks.
16:32Say, Dennis, you know...
16:38Sam Levinson's explanation,
16:39even confused me.
16:42It is clear to everybody.
16:43I thought it was very cute.
16:44I thought he carried it off beautifully.
16:46New York.
16:46Okay.
16:47All right.
16:48Now, let's have our next guest, please.
16:56Now, my name is Dennis James.
16:57I don't want you to tell me yours.
16:58Just tell me where you're from, sir.
16:59I'm from Minneapolis.
17:01What do you do out there?
17:02I drive a truck for Spellacy Motor Transport.
17:04All right.
17:04Now, it's up to you to try to trick this panel.
17:07Let's not use the word trick anymore.
17:08Let's just have the panel question you to find out who you are.
17:12And before we do tell the audience what the name is,
17:14we want to say that we're sending out $10 to Miss Beverly Lindbergh of Minneapolis, Minnesota,
17:19for submitting your name.
17:21Now, let's show the home audience what your name is.
17:33You know, it's my objective on this program to make everything as clear as we possibly can for you, right?
17:40So I'd like to give you a bit of information that this person's name is the same as a thing.
17:44All right.
17:45And let's start with you, Audrey.
17:46All right.
17:48Does this thing serve a particular purpose?
17:51It does.
17:53Yes.
17:53Is it small enough to fit into my purse?
17:57Oh, it would be.
17:58Yes.
18:00Is it a round object?
18:02Yes.
18:04Is it soft to the touch?
18:06Yes.
18:09Would I dip this thing into my compact and powder my nose with it?
18:15No.
18:16No?
18:19Is it then used just for special occasions?
18:23Yes.
18:24I would say special occasions, Audrey, yes.
18:26Are these things in different sizes or shapes or colors?
18:30Yes.
18:31Three questions, Audrey.
18:33Is this something that you might throw at a bride and groom after the ceremony?
18:39Not something that Mr. X would throw, no.
18:41No?
18:42No.
18:42Two questions.
18:43Pass.
18:44Aye.
18:45Is this something made of metal?
18:49Are you in doubt?
18:50Let's ask Sam Levins if he can confuse us.
18:53No?
18:54No.
18:54Is it made of wood?
18:57No.
18:58Is it something that I might carry on me?
19:00Yes.
19:01Might.
19:01Might I have it on me at this particular moment?
19:05I doubt it.
19:06I doubt it.
19:06Just to keep you on the straight track so that you don't say we're trying to confuse you on this
19:09program.
19:10No, I doubt it.
19:11Cut.
19:12Is this living or has it ever been living?
19:16Yes.
19:17It has been living or?
19:19Now, you asked two questions.
19:20Oh, I'm sorry.
19:21You did it to yourself.
19:22Nobody over here.
19:23I'm sorry.
19:23It is living?
19:25It is living.
19:26Is it part of the human body?
19:29No.
19:29No?
19:30Is it a vegetable?
19:31No.
19:32Is it edible?
19:33Is it edible?
19:34Yes.
19:35Could be.
19:36Yes.
19:37Is it an animal?
19:39Yes.
19:40A small animal, right?
19:43Because she said she could put it in her purse.
19:45Yes.
19:45Is it any form of rodent?
19:48No.
19:48No.
19:49Is it any sort of bug?
19:52No, that would only confuse you if we try to even come close to it.
19:54No, it is not a bug.
19:55And it's not a rodent.
19:57Is it, it is an animal.
20:00It's not a rodent.
20:00It's not a bug.
20:01Is it a baby animal like a kitten or a puppy or something?
20:07I don't think you're anywhere near, Joan.
20:08Let's let the gentleman tell you what his name is, will you, sir?
20:11A worm.
20:12A worm.
20:14Thank you very much.
20:15Let's get a little section from everybody.
20:28I heard the audience moan a little bit when I said a moment ago that this was edible,
20:35as though the audience felt that maybe it is not edible.
20:38And yet, in a lot of cases, they can them and they do eat them.
20:42Well, not only fish, but I mean humans eat them, too.
20:44And then you eat fish.
20:45Sure.
20:45I saw them eat them one night on your brother-in-law's show.
20:50Steve Allen one night had Gene Rayburn eat all the worms right on the air.
20:54They sent them in cans.
20:55They're very highly delicate.
20:57Do you ever see how much Gene looks?
21:00Very strict.
21:06All right.
21:06Now let's meet our next guest.
21:10Oh, why don't you sit down?
21:14Gee, I haven't seen a fellow do that with his tie in about 20 years.
21:18We used to do that when we were kids.
21:19Is that a style that's coming back?
21:20No, I, uh...
21:20So there's no match or just fold it over?
21:22I always wear it.
21:22You always wear it that way.
21:23All right.
21:24Where are you from?
21:26Cedarbrook, New Jersey.
21:27What do you do over there?
21:27I'm an egg salesman.
21:29All right.
21:29Now remember, even if I asked you, don't tell me your name.
21:31I just called you Mr. X who sells eggs, right?
21:34We're going to send $10 out to Mrs. Vincent Spano of Berlin, New Jersey for submitting your name.
21:39Let's show the audience at home now what your famous name is.
21:48I don't believe we have too much time for this high, but we'll start with you and go as far
21:52as we can with the time along.
21:53Was this person living?
21:54No.
21:56Was this person ever living?
21:58Yes.
21:59Was this person in the arts?
22:00Yes.
22:01Was this person in the entertainment business?
22:04Yes.
22:04Yes.
22:05Joan, I bow to you.
22:07He was in the entertainment business.
22:08Was he noted for his work in films?
22:12Yes.
22:13You say he's dead now, so I assume he must also have been in early films.
22:19Yeah, about 30 seconds.
22:20Silent films as well?
22:22Well, he was around a long, long time, yes.
22:25He was in silent films as well?
22:27Were you a romantic hero?
22:30Yes.
22:31Romantic hero?
22:32Yes.
22:32Well, the most famous romantic hero was Rudolph Valentino.
22:35You wouldn't be that one.
22:36You got it.
22:37Very good.
22:40You're sad.
22:42You're sad.
22:44Very, very good.
22:45I had a note here some places to what Rudolph Valentino's name actually was.
22:49Rudolpho, Alfonso, Refielo, Pietro, Filberto, Guglielmo, Di Valenti, D'Agotongoglio.
22:55Shortened for professional reasons to Rudolph Valentino.
22:59Thank you very much.
23:00Go pick up your money from everybody on the panel, except Joan Alexander.
23:04Thank you for all for both paying your name for sex.
23:12We're going to find out from you, panel, how you made out.
23:16Will you?
23:17All right, let's have an accounting now.
23:18You're not so confused at this point, are you?
23:20Joan?
23:20No, I lost $60, Dennis, and I'm going out and have a dinner of worms.
23:25Nice.
23:27Hi.
23:28Well, I lost $80, and I refuse now to share your dinner.
23:32Thank you very much.
23:34I lost $60, and I adore Sam Levinson, even though he confused us.
23:38Goodbye, everybody.
23:38I lost $80, and this is a picture of a worm on tiptoe, as long as the subject does it.
23:44Well, I thought you were all very, very nice.
23:46I hope we didn't confuse you too much tonight, and it was fun with Sam,
23:49and I think it was a very cute idea that he came up with in the way of the program.
23:52Right now, speaking for the whole panel, myself, this is Dennis James,
23:55speaking for the Ralston Purina Company out of Checkerboard Square in St. Louis, Missouri,
23:59inviting you to join up with us.
24:01Come next week at the same time.
24:02Until then, bye now.
24:04Bye.
24:04Bye.
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24:14and United's luxurious new DC-7 mainline.
24:20The Names the Same has been a Mark Goodson, Bill Tottenham production.
24:25Executive producer, Peter Arnell.
24:36This is Bob Shepard, inviting you to tune in each and every week for The Names...
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