00:00Kaugnay sa mga petisyon sa Korte Suprema ni Sen. Bato de la Rosa para maharang ang ICC IRS warrant.
00:06Kausapin natin ng abugado niyang si Atty. Israelito Torrion.
00:09Magandang umaga at welcome po sa Balitang Hali.
00:12Hello, hello. Magandang hapon po. Magandang hangali po sa lahat.
00:16Asalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatu.
00:18Apo. Nakipagunayin na po ba sa inyo si Sen. Bato de la Rosa mula nang umalis siya sa Senado nitong
00:23Huwebes?
00:25As of the present, wala pa po. I only communicate through the members of his family.
00:30Pero bago po kayo maghiwalay nun, ano ba yung huling usapan po ninyo?
00:34Well, we talked about his last casino. Pumunta kami mga 1.30 doon sa crime scene.
00:41Nag-picture kami doon sa anang putukan. Nag-video kami. Kasama kami.
00:48And then umakyat kami sa kanyang opisina.
00:51And we talked about yung center doon. Yung section 17 of Republic Act 9851.
00:57Kung ano ba talaga yan. Nagtatanong siya kung yung surrender.
01:01Kailangan ba talaga yan na may procedure tayo dito?
01:05Sabi ko naman sa kanya, eh kailangan yan kasi, Senator, na meron talaga tayong supposedly
01:11local procedure as to how it will be applied in the Philippine jurisdiction.
01:16Kasi nga po, doon sa extradition, dalawa lang naman choices yan, surrender or extradition.
01:22Sa extradition, meron na tayong what you call this procedural mechanism.
01:27Pero sa surrender, wala. Kaya nga, nagtataka ako, bakit nag-insist yung some agencies of the government
01:35in, you know, outrightly implementing a foreign warrant of arrest na hindi pa dumaan sa ating local courts.
01:42Yun ang aming discussion doon.
01:44So, naintindihan naman po niya yung inyong paliwanag.
01:46Pero bakit po kaya umalis pa siya? At alam niyo po ba na may balak siyang umalis nung madaling araw
01:50na yun?
01:51Honestly, hindi namin napag-usapan na meron pala siyang plano na ganun.
01:56Nung pagbalik ko nga mga 9.30, 9.28 ng umaga on the same day,
02:02eh akala ko nandun pa siya.
02:04Kaya pala nagtanong yung supervisor ng usaha sa akin na kung sino ba nang nagpaakyat sa akin.
02:10So, only later, nung nag-press ko na si Sen. Cayetano, doon ko pa na confirm talaga na wala na
02:21nga siya.
02:21Kasi sa opisina na i-stay doon, wala siya and hindi ko lang sure at that time.
02:28Sabi po ng OSG, may tuturing na galawan daw ng isang pugante,
02:32yung mga naging hakbang ni De La Rosa kaya walang karapatan sa anumang judicial relief.
02:36Ano pong masasabi niyo riyan?
02:38Yun ang opinion nila but we are in the process now of finalizing.
02:42Actually, tapos na pero nire-refine lang namin yung ibang punto, yung aming reply.
02:48Yung concept kasi ng fugitive from justice is contained now in Vallacar transit.
02:54Hindi po yung mag-apply kay Sen. Batu De La Rosa kasi wala namang local warrant of press.
02:59Wala naman siyang kaso dito sa Pilipinas.
03:01Kasi questionable pa nga kung may jurisdiction pa ang ICC sa atin.
03:05At yung foreign warrant of rest naman, kailangan dumaan dito sa ating local processes.
03:14Kasi mandated yan ang ating 1987 constitution.
03:17Iba yung recognition of warrant of rest.
03:19Iba yung enforcement of a warrant of rest.
03:22Because that already involves curtailment of a person's liberty and probably his life likewise.
03:29So may role na dito ang judisyari.
03:31Hindi supposedly ito executive department alone lang.
03:36Kasi yan nakasaad sa ating constitution.
03:38At saka international customary law ito.
03:41Nakasaad din yan sa Article 9 ng International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
03:46And even under Articles 8 and 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
03:51And state practice talaga yan in all constitutional democracies.
03:54Masking italy, Germany, lahat yan na mga member states.
03:59Dumadaan talaga pag may ICC warrant, dinadaan talaga sa local courts.
04:04Tayo lang ang pinaka-unique na hindi natin dinadaan yan dito sa ating korte.
04:09Ayun na nga po, magkakasalangat talaga yung mga explanation patungkol dito.
04:13E sa panayin po sa inyo ng unang balita kanina, ano ang ibig sabihin nyo na hindi nabigyan ng pagkakataon
04:17si Sen. De La Rosa na depensahan po yung kanyang sarili?
04:21Ganito ha.
04:22Yung ICC kasi follows the inquisitorial method of investigating a crime.
04:28Secret po lahat.
04:29Hindi nga namin alam na there was already a proceeding against him.
04:32Hindi nga namin makonfirm na merong warrant of arrest.
04:35Kabago lang.
04:36Kinonfirm ng what you call this, ng ICC.
04:38So how can you say that there was due process that was actually accorded to him?
04:44So supposedly kung idaan yan dito sa ating korte, that would have been the very first time
04:50that he would have the chance also to air out his side whether or not his rights were duly respected.
04:58Ang sa atin kasi confrontational style sa atin, even on preliminary investigation, may chance ka na to answer.
05:04Doon sa ICC, wala.
05:06Kaya nga sa amin, dapat talaga yan idaan dito.
05:09Kasi maski na you will research into the framing of the crafting of the RA-9851.
05:18Ang author pala nito si Sen. Gordon.
05:20Ang nag-interpellate pa nga niya noong 2009 is Sen. Pangililan.
05:25It was emphasized there that RA-9851 was passed to strengthen, to fortify our local criminal laws.
05:33And during the deliberation of Sen. Biason, it also came out na in cases of such nature,
05:39dapat meron tayong independent rules of procedure as to how to effectuate surrender.
05:46At kailangan niya ng independent na batas.
05:48Wala tayong batas as to how to implement surrender.
05:51Eh, kaya nga, ang sa amin dito, dapat talaga yan idaan sa local court para maklaro lahat.
05:59Ayun na nga po, in the absence of a law, iba-iba na yung naging interpretation doon sa bahaging yun.
06:04Pero, ang sabi naman po sa kabilang banday, bahagi ng due process yung pagharap niya sa ICC
06:08dahil tiyak na didingin naman daw yung kanyang panig doon.
06:11Ano po masasabi niyo roon?
06:13Ay, iba na yun. Ipreso ka muna.
06:14Dabot, bago ka pakinggan.
06:16Iba, anong klaseng due process yun?
06:18Sa atin dito, we have to respect our 1987 Constitution.
06:23Sa atin, lahat po ng mga local warrants of arrest ay dapat dumaan dito sa ating procedure sa Pilipinas.
06:31No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
06:36That is a constitutional injunction.
06:38And the President, through his foreign affairs powers, cannot just accord unto himself the entire process of surrender
06:48and arrest Bato and bring him to ICC without passing through the judiciary.
06:56Because ultimately, the judiciary has a role if liberty is already affected, if life is already affected.
07:04Sabi pa po ng OSG sa kanilang komento sa Korte Suprema,
07:08eh, hindi dapat ginagamit yung parliamentary immunity bilang pansalag o shield para matakasan yung public accountability.
07:15Ano pong reaction nyo riyan?
07:17Well, yun ang opinion nila.
07:19Iba naman ang opinion namin.
07:20Ginamit lamang yung parliamentary immunity siguro ng Senado.
07:25Hindi naman ako senator pa po.
07:27Ang ginamit lang nun is, maybe because the Senate was of the view that certain agencies of the government
07:37will really have the intention, really had the intention to arrest him.
07:42So, since there is no local warrant of arrest, it was perhaps the view of the Senate,
07:47collective view of the Senate, at least the majority of whom believe that it should pass through local courts
07:53and hindi na na-follow yan, so he was granted protective custody.
07:58He being a member of the Senate and the Senate belongs to a separate branch of the government
08:04and since the Executive Department has a different formulation on the matter,
08:09then the Legislative Department has to have also its own stand on the issue.
08:15Sinabi rin po ni Sen. De La Rosa na hiyang-hiyana siya sa taong bayan matapos yung kalahating taong pagtatago.
08:21Pero bakit hindi pa rin siya nagpapakita ulit ngayon?
08:23O magpapakita ba siya mamaya sa Senado?
08:26Well, that is a question that can only be answered by him.
08:32True, na hiyas siya.
08:34Kasi nga po, dapat sana yung gobyerno natin may clear-cut policy.
08:39Ano ba talaga tayo? Kung surrender, may procedure na ba tayo na gagawin?
08:44Paano ito magdaan sa ating korte?
08:46Yung proseso ba that under our Bill of Rights will be followed?
08:50You know, the Bill of Rights was precisely enshrined in the 1987 Constitution
08:55to protect against government excesses.
08:58Eh, yun, ngayon, nangyayari na nga yan,
09:01eh, kailangan nga yan i-follow talaga na i-sundin yung nakasaad sa ating 1987 Constitution.
09:09At this point, ano pong advice nyo sa inyong kliyente?
09:12Hindi ako makapag-advise sa kanya kasi wala akong connect sa kanya
09:17but through his family, we communicate with each other
09:21and I am now finalizing our reply to the comment filed by the Solicitor General.
09:28And we are likewise preparing kung ano ba yung iba pang hakpang na pwede naming gawain.
09:33Okay, maraming salamat po sa oras na ibinahagi nyo po sa Balitang Hali.
09:37Salamat, salamat po.
09:38Ngayon po si Atty. Israelito Torion.
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