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00:08You want to know what happened with me and Melissa?
00:10I killed her in Amsterdam.
00:11I chopped her up and I put her in a canal.
00:14We're requesting that all relatives send us blood samples for potential DNA profiling.
00:19Have you found Melissa?
00:21No, sir, we have not.
00:23We won't stop looking for her.
00:25Sweeney's been granted bail.
00:27He'll kill me, I know it.
00:28Get in the house.
00:30I've got some news about Sweeney.
00:32He's out of the country.
00:34At least now it's safe for us to start thinking about getting you discharged.
00:37Would you like to meet again?
00:39With coffee?
00:40Or meals?
00:42You look cold, do you want to come in and have a cup of tea?
00:46Just for a few minutes then.
00:48What's your name?
00:49Paula.
00:50But we think he might have killed a woman and the lawyers are saying we don't have enough to charge
00:54him.
00:55We want to build a case against him for his attack on you in December 1994 and you'll be called
01:02to give evidence.
01:03No.
01:05After all that monster did to you, why don't you want to be part of something that will put him
01:10away?
01:11I solemnly declare and affirm, this is my lost fingertip and this is the scar made by the knife that
01:17pierced through my right breast and right lung.
01:20You carry on like this, you'll destroy this case and Sweeney will be back on the street.
01:26He's laughing at you, Delia.
01:48Would you like some water?
01:50No, I want wine.
01:55Miss Balmer, in your own time, please tell the court about the events of the night of Thursday the 22nd
02:02of December 1994.
02:04You mean the night he killed me?
02:06If that's how you prefer to put it, yes.
02:14It was the shortest, darkest day of the year.
02:17It was about 6.30pm.
02:18I'd cycled home from work.
02:19There was no one on the street.
02:24I arrived home.
02:25I lent my bike up against the railings, as I always did.
02:27I went to unlock my front door.
02:30I went to pick up my bike.
02:32As I was carrying it in, I heard him call my name.
02:35I looked over my right shoulder and he was coming up the steps.
02:39Who do you mean by he, Miss Balmer?
02:41Him, John Sweeney.
02:47Even though it has been seven years since the attack, I am still affected by my injuries.
02:52Some days I feel like there's a metal clamp crushing my chest.
02:55And if I am touched even softly on my right breast, I get a horrible feeling like an electric shock.
03:03Both my arms hurt.
03:04I can't grip properly.
03:06I have difficulty lifting anything of any weight.
03:09And on cold days, the metal in my left arm feels like ice.
03:15I don't like looking at my injuries.
03:17I have scars all over my body.
03:18I don't like trying on clothes in shops because I feel like everybody is looking at them.
03:22And I especially hate how my little finger looks.
03:26I used to be proud of my hands, but now when I look at my little finger, it makes me
03:30feel sick.
03:33Thank you, Miss Balmer.
03:36Could you please tell the court what have been the long-term effects of the attack on your mental health?
03:43Oh, well, I have been diagnosed with PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder.
03:49I feel anxious.
03:50I get angry with people.
03:52I have nightmares.
03:53And I have been to see psychiatrists and therapists.
03:56Most of them, I have said, I need antidepressants, which I have refused because I will not put chemicals into
04:03my body.
04:04Drugs trick you into thinking that everything is all right when it is not.
04:09And do you know, I have lost what little confidence I had.
04:13I feel as though...
04:18I am in a black hole.
04:24And I am scared.
04:32To wake up in the morning and face a new day because I feel I have lost my future.
04:41You had the option to give your evidence from behind a screen so that the defendant would not be able
04:46to see you.
04:47But you chose not to do that.
04:49Why was that, Miss Balmer?
04:50Was it because you wanted to see Mr. Sweeney?
04:54No.
04:54Why should I hide from him?
04:56I'm not scared of him.
04:57You invited Mr. Sweeney to live in your home.
05:00You were intimate with him for almost four years.
05:04Can you tell me why?
05:05Because I'm soft and stupid and I couldn't see through him.
05:08Did you love Mr. Sweeney, Miss Balmer?
05:10No, I did not.
05:11I have never loved anyone.
05:13You told Barstock Row Police that Mr. Sweeney had tied you to a bed and repeatedly raped you.
05:19That's correct, isn't it?
05:22Yes.
05:23And yet after your ordeal, when the police offered to install you in refuge accommodation in King's Cross, you refused.
05:30Because King's Cross is full of drug addicts and prostitutes.
05:35Or was it because you still had feelings for Mr. Sweeney?
05:37No.
05:38Did you hope that he might return to your flat so that you could resume your consensually sadomasochistic relationship?
05:45No, that is not...
05:52Why do you have to twist everything and make me out to be a liar?
05:58It is unnecessary and it is dishonest.
06:07Why is the law allowed to treat people like this?
06:12You see, because I just want to be left alone.
06:22Well done, Delia.
06:23Well done.
06:26Uh, I wasn't there.
06:27I was 200 miles away in Scalmersdale.
06:30Delia Balmer's lying because she's got a grudge against me.
06:33What about Miss Balmer's neighbour, Joshua Wilson?
06:36He identified you as a person he saw attacking her.
06:40Yeah, he's mistaken.
06:43In March last year, after your arrest, police searched your flat at Sicily Crescent and discovered an artist's portfolio containing
06:51201 of your drawings.
06:53Two of those drawings are of particular relevance to your attempted murder of Delia Balmer.
06:58Well, I didn't attempt to murder Delia Balmer.
07:00Will the jury please turn to picture exhibit page 5 in the bundle?
07:09This drawing shows a boot about to crush a cockroach.
07:13Did you do this drawing, Mr. Sweeney?
07:16Yeah.
07:16Do you remember if it was before the attack on Delia Balmer on the 22nd of December 1994 or after?
07:22I've just told you I didn't attack Delia Balmer, so it's impossible to say if it was before or after.
07:26In the bottom right-hand corner are the words a cornered cockroach.
07:30Is this your handwriting, Mr. Sweeney?
07:42Yes, I think it is.
07:43Yes.
07:45The cockroach has a woman's head.
07:47Who is this woman, Mr. Sweeney?
07:49Delia Balmer.
07:51Picture exhibit, page 6.
07:55This is an enlarged detail of the same drawing angle to make it easier to read.
08:00What you are looking at, ladies and gentlemen, is the front section of the boot.
08:04As can be seen, there are words clearly visible on it.
08:08Mr. Sweeney, would you please read what is written?
08:19Mr. Sweeney?
08:24May you never die until I kill you.
08:28May you never die until I kill you?
08:32What point were you making by writing those words on the boot?
08:36No point.
08:39Just black humor.
08:44Moving on.
08:45Page 7 in the bundle.
08:47This drawing shows a section of a man's body.
08:49The man is wearing jeans and a belt.
08:51Tucked inside the belt is an axe with blood clearly visible on the blade.
08:57Blood is dripping from the blade onto a bloody scalp fringed with blonde hair.
09:01Did you do this drawing, Mr. Sweeney?
09:03Yes.
09:03Do you remember when you drew it?
09:05No.
09:06I'd like to draw the jury's attention to the two patches of white Tipex correction fluid on the blade of
09:11the axe.
09:13Using ultraviolet light, scientists were able to discover words written beneath the Tipex.
09:19Please turn to picture exhibit page 8.
09:24Under the first patch of Tipex is a date of birth, 13th of October, 1956.
09:31Under the second patch, the words made in Liverpool.
09:34Where were you born, Mr. Sweeney?
09:35I was born in Kirkdale, you know that.
09:37An area of Liverpool?
09:38Yes.
09:39Yes.
09:39And what is your date of birth?
09:4213th of October, 1956.
09:44So the words you Tipexed over refer to yourself?
09:46I didn't write that.
09:48I didn't put Tipex on that.
09:49I didn't write that.
09:50Yet, in the opinion of the handwriting expert that we consulted, it is your writing.
09:57Let us turn back now to page 7.
10:01As can be seen, there is a further patch of Tipex at the bottom of the page.
10:05Ultraviolet light revealed more writing.
10:07Please turn to page 9 in the bundle.
10:13December 94.
10:16The very month and year Delia Barmer was subjected to a near-fatal attack.
10:21I didn't attack Miss Barmer.
10:22I didn't write this.
10:24And I certainly didn't put Tipex on it.
10:26You do admit doing this drawing?
10:28Yes!
10:29Of a man with a bloody axe.
10:31The very weapon used in the attack on Delia Barmer.
10:35An extraordinary coincidence.
10:36Coincidence?
10:36Would you not agree, Mr Sweeney?
10:38Well, that's what coincidences are, isn't it?
10:39Eh?
10:40Extraordinary.
10:43Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
10:45in a moment, you'll go out and consider your verdicts.
10:49The only verdicts that I can accept are ones in which you are all agreed.
11:15My Lord, the jury have been in retirement for nine hours and 40 minutes.
11:20Mr Foreman, have you reached a verdict on which you are all agreed?
11:25We have.
11:26Is that in relation to all four counts?
11:28Yes.
11:30On count one of the indictment,
11:31the attempted murder of Delia Barmer,
11:34do you find the defendant, John Patrick Sweeney,
11:37guilty or not guilty?
11:40Guilty.
11:40You fucking idiot!
11:41You're all fucking idiots!
11:51Well, Christine says his sentencing will be in three weeks.
11:55The whole world is laughing at me.
11:59No one's laughing at you.
12:03No one with a shred of decency
12:06could look at this and make a judgment about you.
12:09The only person this vile drawing says anything about is him.
12:14It's my face, David.
12:16It's not your face.
12:19This is your face.
12:42You're starting early.
12:57To John Patrick Sweeney,
13:00spending the rest of his life behind bars.
13:04To the damn police releasing a box of cockroaches in his fucking cell.
13:15I don't know if you're not having a problem.
13:24I don't know if you're in the middle.
13:26The only person this vile says nothing about you.
13:34The only person this vile says nothing about you.
13:38One each for the firearms offences.
13:41Four! Life set... Oh, fantastic!
13:43Yeah, we couldn't have done it without you, Delia.
13:45Oh, well, will you join us for a glass of champagne, Chris?
13:48Oh, any excuse.
13:52Come on, Delia, come on.
13:56So, he'll spend the rest of his life in jail.
14:01Er, well, actually, the, um...
14:09The judge ruled that he'll be eligible for parole in nine years.
14:14What was that?
14:21Four life sentences.
14:24And he's up for parole in nine years.
14:29Oh, that's insane.
14:30Honestly, none of us can make head or tail of it.
14:33It's the same old fucking shit is what it is!
14:39PHONE RINGS
14:44Sorry.
14:45No.
14:46No, I'm sorry, David.
14:48Well, it's not your fault. You're not the bloody judge.
14:51Well, this'll probably be my last visit.
14:55Oh.
14:56Yeah, the rules are very clear on FLO exit strategies.
14:59Unless Delia actually requests to see me,
15:02which I don't see happening,
15:05erm, I'll be out of her hair now.
15:08I wonder what my exit strategy should be.
15:13Seriously?
15:15No, no.
15:16Oh.
15:17No, no, no.
15:17Delia and I...
15:19we're in this for the long haul.
15:22We've...
15:23found the teeth that match each other's wounds.
15:28We're fine.
15:29We're fine.
15:30We're fine.
15:30Adios, amiga.
15:31We got it.
15:48We've been doing that for the long haul.
15:49We can't wait for the long haul.
15:49We're fine.
15:50It's fine.
15:53Yeah.
16:00I'll just go after the drink.
16:00We'll see you later.
16:00Yeah, well, you're nice.
16:01Mr. John Stevens, police commissioner. What's this?
16:04The police and the courts shouldn't be allowed to get away with treating victims like they treated me.
16:12Oh, come on, dearie, now. Stop, eh?
16:17It's over, sweetheart. Let's go out.
16:21I don't want to go out. My chest hurts and it's very, very cold.
16:24All right, well, then, let's get a takeaway. What do you want? Indian, Chinese?
16:28Do you know, David, we can't afford takeaways. Not the hell that you're taking so much time off.
16:32For Christ's sake, dearie, we're not fucking paupers, but...
17:12Oh, look. David Blunkett?
17:17Yes, Sir John, damn Stephen's got some flunky to reply, so I'm going over his head.
17:22The letter I received from the Metropolitan Police was an insult.
17:25I did not want to assist the law. I was forced to.
17:29Them thanking me for testifying totally misses the point.
17:33You might as well torture someone, then thank them for letting you torture them.
17:37I do not accept their thanks. The police can stick their thanks up their...
17:42Oh, yeah, that'll work.
17:45I did not.
18:42You want to go out later?
18:46Yeah, of course.
19:04I wish I'd known you before.
19:07For what?
19:10Sweeney.
19:11The police.
19:12The trial.
19:12That's a stupid thing to say, David.
19:14There's no point wishing for something that never was.
19:21When the defence barrister asked if you still loved Sweeney, you said you'd never really
19:28loved anyone.
19:29Is that really true?
19:31You know that about me, David.
19:32I don't go in for any of that mushy stuff, so...
19:36It's love, Delia.
19:37It's not mushy stuff.
19:38Oh, for...
19:54So, now you're not giving me any wine because you're feeling sorry for yourself?
19:58I'm paying for it.
20:02Oh!
20:03Oh, look what you've done!
20:04Keep your voice down.
20:05No!
20:05Keep my fucking voice down, David!
20:07Do you know I made a spectacle of myself in the Old Bailey?
20:10You think I care about making a spectacle of myself in a Greek fucking restaurant?!
20:24Sorry.
20:26I'm sorry.
20:40I'm sorry.
20:42I'm sorry.
20:44I'm sorry.
20:44I'm sorry.
20:46I'm sorry.
20:47I'm sorry.
20:47Whoa.
20:48Everything all right?
20:49Where are you off to in such a hurry?
20:50Home.
20:52Hold on my way!
20:53Hold on a moment.
20:54Have you been drinking, madam?
20:55Yes.
20:56I don't...
20:57I don't know what business it is of yours.
20:59You American?
21:00No, I'm not fucking American.
21:05I was not drunk and disorderly.
21:08I was walking home.
21:09I have not done anything wrong.
21:12What's your name?
21:15Celia Balmer.
21:16I used to live in Lavinia Gardens.
21:17I'm in your computer.
21:18The 22nd of December, 1994.
21:20I...
21:21I was attacked with an axe.
21:23I nearly died.
21:24There was a trial at the Old Bailey last year.
21:26How do you spell Balmer?
21:30B-A-L-M-E-R.
21:44Bluecho.
21:44I was wrong.
21:46I was just a victim.
21:46No!
21:47B-A-L-M-E-R.
21:49No!
21:49All the other things...
21:52B-A-L-M-E-R.
21:54B-A-L-M-E-R.
22:01W-A-L-M-E-R.
22:06You're wrong.
22:07G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G!
22:27Delia Barmer? Has she been here all night?
22:31Yeah.
22:33Did you not even check her on the system?
22:35She doesn't have a record.
22:37Not as an offender.
22:39As a victim.
22:47I'm sorry about the night you had, Delia.
22:51You're free to go.
22:53I'll have a car when you're home.
22:56I'm not getting in a fucking police car.
23:02Delia.
23:08Delia.
23:09Oh, thank Christ.
23:10Why have you been?
23:10I've been worried sick.
23:12I've been wandering the streets half the night looking for you.
23:14Yeah, well, I was arrested, so.
23:16What?
23:17What happened?
23:19I don't want to talk about it.
23:20I just want to sleep.
23:21Well, do you want me to come in with you?
23:22It's not working between us, David.
23:25We're holding on to something that's gone.
23:31Well, do you want to talk about that?
23:35Is there any point?
23:36Because I'll only get angry.
23:44Right, bye, then, David.
24:07Oh, you're good.
24:11Stupid, stupid, stupid bitch.
25:02Yes.
25:08Okay, bye.
25:10Hi.
25:11Sorry to interrupt.
25:13Mm-hmm.
25:14I'm on Lincoln Ward and I'm a qualified therapeutic masseuse
25:21and I was just wondering if that might be something that's useful here or...
25:27Absolutely, but I'm afraid we don't have the budget.
25:30All right.
25:31I can work for free.
25:53Hi.
25:54Hi.
25:54My name's Delia.
25:56Your sister said you'd like a cranial massage.
26:14You know, whenever I used to get shampoo at the hairdressers,
26:18I'd always ask for the extra conditioner just to make it last longer.
26:23You are good, Delia.
26:25Yeah, well, my lecturer at college said I was the best in the class.
26:29All the other students said I pressed too hard.
26:32Well, they were obviously idiots.
26:36So is there a Mr. Delia at home?
26:38Nope.
26:40What, you? So petite and cute.
26:43Some lucky fella's missing out.
26:46Delia, it's after 11.
26:47Go away, Tessa. Delia is my handmaiden. Isn't that right, Delia?
27:00Can't you see it?
27:02Oh my god.
27:03I'm sorry.
27:05I'm sorry.
27:20I'm sorry.
27:22I'm sorry.
27:23Oh, yeah.
27:23Oh.
27:33Oh.
27:42Delia.
27:43Mom, this is the lady with the magic fingers.
27:46Thanks for looking after him.
27:48You're leaving us?
27:50Yeah.
27:50For a bit.
27:51I've hit a good patch.
27:52So, Mum is going to pamper me at home.
27:56Can you take care of yourself, Delia?
27:58Yeah.
28:01Thanks for making this shit bearable.
28:07Come on, you. Let's get you home.
28:09Let's do it.
28:11Thanks so much.
28:37I'm going to keep you full of letters here.
28:40Thank you, mo'am.
28:40I got you and I'll do it.
28:41You're just one little secret.
28:41A good idea.
28:49I won't be the one.
28:49Very good.
28:50You're catching any deeper times,
28:50but I don't need to get out of your way.
28:51D.I. Steve Smith speaking.
28:52Hi, this is Detective Astrid de Vries, MCN MCID.
28:56Scotland Yard gave me your number.
28:58I understand that your department investigated the unsolved murder of a woman, Paula Fields.
29:05Ah, well, most of the team have moved on, but yes, the Paula Fields investigation was based here.
29:10How can I help?
29:12I've got some news on the prime suspect in that case.
29:15John Sweeney.
29:18We've identified the remains of a former girlfriend of his, a young American woman, Melissa Halstead.
29:26A few weeks ago, a cold case team in Rotterdam found a tissue sample in storage of an unidentified female
29:32body found in a bag in a canal in Rotterdam in 1990.
29:37We just got a DNA match with blood supplied by Melissa's family back in 1995.
29:45It's her.
29:47One hundred percent.
29:49Melissa Halstead's remains have been lying in Rotterdam's municipal cemetery since 1990.
29:55I was present at the exhumation.
30:00The condition of the body might be of interest to you.
30:02Her head, hands and feet had been removed.
30:06Same as Paula Fields.
30:08Okay, okay.
30:10We need to figure out how to work together on this.
30:15John Sweeney has served almost six years of his nine-year sentence.
30:20Add to that the months he was on remand.
30:22And the reality is, he could be out in two years.
30:27That's at least how long an investigation of this magnitude will take.
30:30And we're not helped by the fact that neither us nor the Dutch have a shred of forensic evidence linking
30:35Sweeney to the murders of Melissa Halstead or Paula Fields.
30:39Well, on Melissa Halstead, her dismembered remains were found in a canal in Rotterdam on May the 3rd, 1990.
30:47But only recently identified, 19 years later.
30:53On Paula Fields, her dismembered remains were found in Regent's Canal on the 19th of February 2001.
31:01We can connect Sweeney to the two women, various recorded eyewitness accounts, but no connection with their murders.
31:08However, what are the chances of two women having relationships with the same man, both ending up murdered, dismembered, heads,
31:16hands, feet removed, put in bags and dumped in canals?
31:20Then there's this woman, Delia Barmer, the survivor, the girlfriend who came between Melissa and Paula, the woman whose attempted
31:31murder Sweeney is currently doing time for.
31:35On the 31st of May, 1994, Delia Barmer made a statement to Barstock Road Police in which she said Sweeney
31:44told her he murdered Melissa.
31:46That evidence has never been put before a jury.
32:00Delia Barmer?
32:06What John Sweeney told you in 1994 was true, except for one detail.
32:11He disposed of Melissa's body in a canal in Rotterdam, not Amsterdam.
32:15I never said the canal was in Amsterdam, just that he said he killed her in Amsterdam.
32:21Why are you here?
32:22We're reopening the investigation into the murders of Melissa Halstead and Paula Fields,
32:26and we intend to charge John Sweeney with both offences, but it's a given he'll plead not guilty.
32:34No shit.
32:36We know the trial in 2001 was very difficult for you, but if we can get the case to court,
32:42we'd greatly appreciate it if you would consent to give evidence.
32:46It would be much easier this time.
32:48You'd just have to talk about what he told you we did to Melissa.
32:52No, no.
33:09We think it's a bad idea to put Delia Barmer on the stand.
33:14Bad for us, but very bad for her.
33:17You told her Sweeney's coming up for parole?
33:19Yeah.
33:21I thought she'd relish the opportunity to testify against him.
33:24It's not about that for her.
33:26She thought her ordeal was over.
33:28She just wants to be done with all this.
33:29She is that terrified of being cross-examined again.
33:32We want to suggest a compromise.
33:34The Dutch have requested a videotape statement of Delia talking about Sweeney's Melissa confession.
33:39If she agrees to it, perhaps we could apply to the judge to let the video statement serve as her
33:44evidence in the trial.
33:45That way the jury get to see her, but she avoids the ordeal of being cross-examined live.
33:51Live is what we need.
33:53Our case against Sweeney is still only circumstantial.
33:56The jury needs to see Delia Barmer in real time,
34:00telling them what Sweeney told her he did to Melissa Halstead.
34:06Sorry, boss, you've got to see this.
34:09Merseyside Police conducted a search on Sweeney's family home.
34:12They found this lock in the original police evidence bags.
34:15It was restored to the family in 2001 after he was convicted,
34:18but no one thought to hang on to it because the case wasn't about Melissa.
34:21Look at this.
34:23Let's scratch a card.
34:24It's only over, boss.
34:26We've confirmed that's Sweeney's handwriting.
34:29Poor old Melissa.
34:31Chopped her up in bits.
34:34Food to feed the fish.
34:36Amsterdam was the pits.
34:39And that's not all?
34:42He's even dated them.
34:46Amsterdam, Easter 1990.
34:51Still think we need Delia in court to win this thing?
34:55Videotaping her statement.
34:58Talk to the judge.
34:59See if we can keep her out of court.
35:01Yes.
35:14Delia.
35:15Please tell us what Don Sweeney told you during the spring bag holiday of 1994.
35:24No.
35:24I'm going to talk about Saturday, the 29th of June, 2002,
35:34when I was wrongfully arrested by Barstock Road Police for being drunk and disorderly.
35:42A policeman, twice my size, put handcuffs on me and then shoved me into a police van.
35:52I spent the whole fucking night in a dirty, smelly police cell.
36:02Now, I wrote to the station superintendent, and when he wrote back to me, he didn't even fucking apologize.
36:15He said what had happened to me was an unfortunate incident, and he tried to shut me up with a
36:22check for £42.50 for the dry cleaning of my suede coat that they fucking ruined!
36:31We didn't know she was intoxicated until she let rip for the cameras.
36:35It's not a problem though, is it boss? Not knowing we've got the photos and the scratch card and everything.
36:39There's been a development.
36:41Sweeney knows that we don't intend to put Delia on the stand.
36:45He's instructed his counsel to go back to the judge and insist that she be compelled to testify.
36:51Given the seriousness of the charges against him, the judge has granted his request.
36:57Yeah, well, I knew the creep wasn't finished with me.
37:01I knew we'd find some way of stomping up to a little life I have left.
37:09But it's not the end of the road. We've got one card up our sleeve where we can apply for
37:13a medical exemption.
37:14We'd get you to see a forensic psychiatrist, with your permission, obviously, and see if we can get you declared
37:20unfit to give evidence.
37:23That's my only way out of this.
37:27Seeing a shrink who'll say how nuts I am.
37:31Well, yes, but I wouldn't have put it that way myself, but yes.
37:36Well, what choice do I have? I can't leave the country because my passport's expired, so I'm trapped yet again.
37:42Delia, medical exemptions aren't easy to get.
37:45So if the psychiatrist thinks you're even slightly intoxicated, that'll go into the report to the judge and it'll be
37:51game over.
37:52You mustn't drink any alcohol before the session.
37:56Oh, no, I'll have to have a drink, otherwise I'll be a mess.
37:58But a sober mess, and that'll count in your favour.
38:02Major Deer for Ever.
38:05Johnnyulo, care for you.
38:31Well, first of all, I'll be honest.
38:54Oh, shit, come on, Delia.
39:07I bought two bottles of wine and a bottle of brandy last night and I didn't touch a drop.
39:13So, no, I feel dreadful.
39:24Are you clear about the purpose of this session, Delia?
39:27Yep.
39:29You're going to decide whether or not I'm mentally fit to give evidence in court.
39:51When I was lying on the steps thinking I was about to die, I thought of my mum and dad.
40:08And my brother Stuart, they were alive then, mum and dad.
40:12They died a couple of years ago, within a year of each other.
40:16And I thought of them each.
40:30And how they were so far away.
40:41I thought about how I would never see them again and how they would never see me.
41:01And I...
41:08I clung to that memory and their faces because I wanted my last thoughts to be only of them.
41:36Can I go now?
41:40Of course you can.
41:45But...
41:46There's still 30 minutes left on the clock, Delia.
41:50Paid for by the mat.
41:54If there's anything you want to talk about, anything at all, now might be a good time.
42:01I just want to go home.
42:06The only thing holding her together is her anger.
42:10If her fear becomes greater than her anger, which is very close to where she is now,
42:16I think there's a real possibility she might try to take her own life.
42:38Dr. Howes will tell the judge that under no circumstances should you be compelled to testify.
42:44It's over.
42:56It was like he was letting out something that he'd been keeping deep inside.
43:03He told me that he killed Melissa in Amsterdam.
43:07And that he sat with her body for three days.
43:11He didn't say how he killed her.
43:14He said he had cut her up and put her in a bag and threw her in a canal.
43:25Yeah, two life sentences, um, no parole this time.
43:28It's what they call here a, uh, whole life tariff, so...
43:32You know, he'll spend the rest of his life in jail.
43:36Oh, it's about goddamn time.
43:39How do you feel, Delia?
43:41Oh, I don't know.
43:44Not much of anything.
43:48You know, they, uh, told me that he refused to leave his cell when they wrote out the verdict.
43:54He must have been real mad.
43:58Good riddance, I say.
44:02You won, Delia.
44:04You won, Delia.
44:04He tried to kill you and he couldn't because you were too strong.
44:12Oh, I, uh, I don't know if, uh, strength has much to do with it, Stu.
44:17Yes, it did.
44:19You were always the strong one in our family.
44:25You think that?
44:26I know it.
44:29You remember when we first moved to Detroit in 64 and there was that tornado and, and the neighbor's house
44:37moved off its foundations?
44:39Yeah, what about it?
44:42Dad was scared and he wanted us all to go into the basement.
44:46You wanted to stay upstairs and watch the storm.
44:53Yeah, I remember.
45:00I enjoyed it.
45:03You did.
45:05We were all scared.
45:08But not you.
45:20You did.
45:22I don't know.
46:01I don't know.
46:30I don't know.
47:08I don't know.
47:22I don't know.
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