00:02Five minutes for us
00:21Good morning Mr. Olindo, how are you?
00:23Good morning
00:23Please, have a seat.
00:28Mr. Olindo, may I ask you who you really are?
00:32The peaceful street cleaner in love with his wife or a ruthless murderer who massacred
00:40an entire family?
00:44So, I think the first one, definitely.
00:52So, let's take a step back.
00:55You and your wife Rosa, 19 years ago, confessed in detail to having killed on December 11th
01:04of 2006 with Spranga and Coltelli, Raffaella Castagna, her mother Paola, her son Youssef and Valere
01:17to Cherubini, a neighbor and of having almost killed Valeria's husband
01:24Ten months later you retracted everything and protested your innocence.
01:31But how is this possible?
01:32Exact
01:34And well, this is possible because the lawyer we had at the time had advised us this
01:43strategy, here we have moved forward
01:45According to your confession, Raffaella Castagna opens the door, you hit her on the head with
01:53the crimpio, he does the same thing with the mother, the two women fall and you, she and his wife,
02:00you attack their bodies with knives, this was his first confession
02:05Yes, I don't remember it now, but more or less one thing
02:07More or less it was this
02:09And the striking thing is that his wife, then she always said the confession, the more I hit her
02:16the more relieved I felt, but still beyond the murder now, there was this hatred
02:23on your part, in front of that woman
02:29So, all that hatred wasn't there, in the sense that the second part where he tells me that
02:36My wife felt more relieved, that one is not part of the confessions, that one
02:43it's part of, how can I say, the report that I had to do Picozzi, in a few words
02:52The psychiatrist
02:52The psychiatrist
02:53The psychiatrist, which they then passed off as a confession
02:58Well, your wife was called the psychiatrist though
03:00Yes, but even there it was a combined thing.
03:08In what sense?
03:09In the sense that all the footage that Picozzi made was always shown cut.
03:15Some pieces are missing
03:17Yes, but the sentence in which his wife says the more I hit her, the more relieved I felt
03:23it's his wife's, he hadn't invented the psychiatrist
03:26No, no, no, of course not.
03:28That sentence there is from my wife
03:30And then his wife also said that he killed little Youssef because he was crying, he was bothering him, he was complaining.
03:37Yes, something like that
03:39Exactly
03:40In October 2007, ten months after the trial, you protested your innocence, saying that this confession had been extorted from you.
03:51by the investigators
03:52Extorted how?
03:54According to the old lawyer it was the only thing to get us out of trouble a little.
04:00That is, his wife thought she was free
04:03And then they had also proposed something similar to us
04:08They had warned me of 4 or 5 years in prison.
04:12But who told him?
04:14The Carabinieri
04:16The problem is that you confessed to details that not even the investigators knew.
04:25For example, they were convinced that Valeria Cherubini, the neighbor, had been killed from her apartment
04:34It was you who said that she was killed under
04:38So according to our version
04:40They didn't get there alone.
04:42You told him that to you
04:43According to our version at the time
04:48We basically said we killed him on the stairs.
04:51If I remember correctly
04:54Enough
04:56The investigators alone did not know this.
05:00Thinking you killed her above
05:02Not below
05:04You told him we killed her underneath
05:07Yes I think we told him
05:10The investigators had not noticed the pillows
05:14You were the ones who said that you used pillows to stifle the moans of the victims
05:21They didn't know anything about it
05:23I have those pillows
05:25I saw them
05:26I also think Rosa
05:28On the photographs that the magistrates showed us
05:33And yet you said
05:34The magistrates did not know there were pillows
05:36And that's it
05:37We used these pillows
05:39To stifle the cries of the victims
05:44Because at that moment there
05:46We had to confess something.
05:50And then automatically whatever happened to you was fine.
05:57And we got those pillows for that
05:59Do you usually have dinner early?
06:01Why did you go to Como on the very night of the crime?
06:05And there's a receipt
06:07For which you had dinner at McDonald's
06:09At 9.37pm
06:11One hour double
06:13We don't eat dinner early enough.
06:17We don't have a specific timetable
06:20But here you have shown that receipt
06:24As soon as the first investigators knocked
06:27We didn't say Mr. Clean
06:29She is suspected
06:31Here's the receipt
06:32So I honestly don't know that thing here.
06:35I don't remember how it really went
06:40We definitely gave it to him.
06:41To the police, definitely.
06:45As his neighbor Valeria Cherubini explains the bloodbath
06:49In his car
06:50Those were stains of his blood
06:53What she brought with her
06:54It practically cannot be explained
06:56Because there was nothing there
06:59On the
07:00Well, in the end they found it.
07:01No, they didn't find it.
07:04They say they found it
07:05Do you think they put it there?
07:07The police had gotten into my car
07:09When they searched her that night
07:11Always that same night
07:13Because they had also searched the car
07:15So the police brought us the blood?
07:17So the police might have brought it to us.
07:20It's a possibility
07:23Or maybe even the police didn't bring it to us.
07:26There has never been anything there
07:29Having found nothing
07:31What did the Carabinieri do?
07:35They went to get a trace of blood
07:39And that they had somewhere
07:41They put it in one of those four test tubes
07:44When they searched my car
07:47And they sent it to the professor
07:49Do you realize they committed a crime?
07:52Yes
07:53They committed a crime, yes
07:55Raffaella Castagna's father
07:58I met him several times
08:00Before he died he told me that he had forgiven you
08:05Have you ever thought about apologizing?
08:09What did we have to apologize for?
08:12That is, if we had to apologize for the fights
08:15What happened was what we had already done.
08:19Because we talked to my father every now and then
08:23But for what happened after
08:27If it wasn't us
08:28What excuses do we automatically give him?
08:32But don't forget that you made
08:35A full and detailed confession
08:40Which he then took back
08:43But he had made it full of details
08:47Gruesome details
08:48I hit her like this, I finished her like this
08:52I could say, excuse me, Mr. Castagna
08:55They were lies
08:57But I think I caused her great pain.
09:00Forgive me at least for this.
09:02Why didn't you tell him?
09:04I don't know, maybe because I never even had the chance
09:08I never even thought about it
09:10Because I didn't think this story would go on this long.
09:16In fact, it's been going on for 19 years and it's not over yet.
09:19Then in the meantime he died
09:23It's over for now
09:33He is dead
09:49Frigerio said
09:51Frigerio said
09:52I saw Olindo
09:53He fixed me with his murderous gaze
09:58That I will never forget
10:02Well, he said this thing here a lot later, though.
10:07He said it
10:09When his memories, let's say, had confused them all
10:20Five minutes for us
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