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00:00What is the harm in the suicide?
00:03What's the problem then in not committing suicide, just chopping off a hand?
00:07Here you are sitting in this auditorium.
00:09Now tell me why do you want to commit suicide?
00:13What happens, person dies, what goes out is energy or it's...
00:19This is karma. If we do something evil, maybe in our next birth, something evil will happen to us.
00:24I can do whatever I want to do.
00:26But then, we see people doing very bad things, but nothing happens to them. They are living very peacefully.
00:36Twenty volunteers. Here. Come.
00:41Life is movement. Please move.
00:46Please move.
00:47Move, move. This entire area is yours. Move. Move, move, move.
00:51Close your eyes now, each one of you.
00:54Close your eyes. Move.
01:00Move, move.
01:01Move, move.
01:03Move, move.
01:03Move, move.
01:05Move, move.
01:05Move, move.
01:06Move, move.
01:08Move, move.
01:08So some people are born rich, some people are born very poor.
01:12It is due to past karmas.
01:14But is that pure luck or what?
01:16For existence, richness and poverty are...
01:22So worry will continue with life. Like, it's there, the part of it. It's not exclusive. So to end that,
01:28it's okay, right?
01:29When it is the body that is causing you stress, then they say, fine, go. That's a choice. You can
01:34go.
01:35If there is no janma of the same person in the future, and what were the past janmas so many...
01:55What happens when a person dies?
01:57A mic.
01:59The question is, what happens when a person mics?
02:06What happens, person dies, what goes out is energy or it's a...
02:12Nothing goes out.
02:13Why do we think something goes out?
02:16Why do you think something goes out?
02:20Nothing goes out.
02:24This stands here.
02:26This is continuously changing. Continuously changing.
02:30Let's say...
02:32Yeah, this has some metallic support also.
02:35Plus this is organic.
02:37So organic matter is there, inorganic matter is there.
02:39Just like this body.
02:41Just like this body.
02:43And this is continuously changing.
02:45Continuously changing shape.
02:47Even as I touching it, that is causing some change.
02:50Right?
02:50Let's say there is some iron here.
02:53The iron is continuously rusting.
02:54But we cannot see the rusting.
02:57Though, on minute examination, we can see the changes.
03:01Just as the beard, for example, is greying.
03:05Or we are getting bald here.
03:08So we can see all those things happening.
03:11But it's still standing.
03:12This will stand for 80 years and then one day suddenly collapse.
03:17Has something gone out of it?
03:20Changes were happening, happening, happening.
03:23And when the change reached a threshold, it collapsed.
03:27Just like a rusting bridge.
03:29There is a bridge.
03:30There is a bridge.
03:30The bridge is there.
03:31And you think the bridge is there, there, there.
03:33But it's continuously rusting.
03:35And one day it collapses.
03:37Now has some sudden thing happened in that particular moment?
03:43No.
03:45It is a continuous process, just that a threshold has been breached in that moment.
03:51The carrying capacity of the pillars or the beams has now been exceeded.
03:58Right?
03:59So it collapses.
04:01That's death.
04:02Nothing goes out.
04:03Nothing comes in.
04:04No energy.
04:05No Jivatma.
04:05No soul.
04:06Nothing.
04:07Just that this physical infrastructure is no more the same as it was when it was 30.
04:14Same thing.
04:15The bridge is bombed.
04:17The bridge is bombed.
04:19And the bridge collapses.
04:22Right?
04:22Has something gone out of the bridge?
04:25Right?
04:26So here I am.
04:27And a car runs over.
04:30Same thing.
04:31Nothing has gone out of me.
04:33Just that the particular configuration, the particular structure is no more.
04:38Everything else is there.
04:41If you, the car runs over, you take the sum total of this body before and after the collision,
04:49it will be exactly the same.
04:51What kind of loss of energy can happen?
04:53Nothing.
04:54In fact, the energy that we burn through metabolism is again just mass.
05:01Just mass.
05:02Nothing else.
05:05Now it is said that the same person is taking rebirth with that same vasanas and whatever we have done
05:13in the past.
05:14That's not what Vedanta says.
05:16Vedanta never talks about individual rebirth.
05:19Rebirth.
05:20Rebirth is a beautiful concept to explain the cycle of movement in Prakrati.
05:29The totality.
05:30The totality of all this keeps showing up in various forms again and again.
05:37The individual is never reborn.
05:39Never.
05:41That's not Vedanta.
05:42When a person gets birth, it comes with a lot of bundles of vasanas and again…
05:48They are coming from the totality.
05:50They are not coming from any one particular individual in the past.
05:58Are you getting it?
05:59It's not that you can have a one-on-one mapping.
06:02That if you are born with certain traits, those traits are coming from one particular person.
06:07Yes, you have those traits.
06:08But those traits are coming from the collective.
06:12Not from one person.
06:15Where that trait comes from, like it's there, somewhere there, when a person takes birth…
06:21There in the existence itself, sir.
06:22It's there?
06:23Yes, it's there in existence itself.
06:30There is an oil spill on the surface of some ocean.
06:34There is an oil spill.
06:36Right?
06:36Also, there are several polluting pieces on the surface of the ocean.
06:44Right?
06:44A particular wave rises.
06:48And that wave is carrying some oil, little small pieces of plastic and several other things.
06:56Which particular wave are those pieces coming from?
07:00Which particular wave are those oil drops coming from?
07:03Please tell me.
07:06They are coming from the ocean itself.
07:08You cannot say the previous wave had died.
07:12And now all the plastic and the waste and the corruption and the pollution of the previous wave
07:18has been carried forward to this new wave that has reincarnated.
07:24So even as you are born with all these properties and pollutants and all those things,
07:29they are not from one particular wave in the past.
07:33They are from the collective.
07:38The ocean itself keeps taking rebirth.
07:41The wave is never born again.
07:43The wave has only one life.
07:45You are the wave.
07:46You are not the ocean.
07:47You will have only one life.
07:48You will never be reborn.
07:51The ocean will keep taking rebirth.
07:54Yes.
07:55In fact, some part of you will be reborn as something else.
07:59Some part of you will be reborn as something else.
08:03If say you are lowered into a grave and over course of time you turn into soil.
08:10The soil turns into somebody's food or turns into a flower.
08:13That's rebirth.
08:15That's the way rebirth happens.
08:18A dead body lies somewhere and a stray animal comes and eats some part of it.
08:25That part becomes that animal's body.
08:27That's rebirth.
08:29The various parts of your body will be reborn as various things at various points in time.
08:36That does not mean that you as individual will ever take rebirth.
08:40No, that will not happen.
08:42In fact, this concept of the individual soul, the Jeevatma, has done India a lot of harm.
08:50Lot of harm.
08:52Fatalism, casteism, all these have relied heavily on the concept of personal rebirth.
09:03So, following on to that…
09:09So, not supporting any idea but then what is the harm in suicide if an individual is not…
09:25What will you kill by committing suicide?
09:29Body.
09:30Is the body paining?
09:32Sorry?
09:33Is the body paining?
09:37What's paining?
09:41Yeah, like both.
09:44Why are you punishing the body for this cheap thing called the ego?
09:50That's not justice, is it?
09:54That will not deliver the goods.
09:56Why are you punishing the body?
09:58No, no, but if this individual is gonna end…
10:02If this individual is?
10:04If this individual is gonna end, it's not going to take rebirth, the same individual…
10:11then like…
10:13what's the problem?
10:14I…
10:15like…
10:16just a curious question.
10:18What's the problem then in not committing suicide, just chopping off a hand?
10:24One does not ask it this way.
10:26When one says…
10:27Wait…
10:27When one says I am proposing a certain action, the way of logic is to give arguments in support
10:37of that action, not ask what's wrong with this action.
10:41If you are proposing a certain action, then you should say I am proposing this action and
10:49this is what I have to say in its support.
10:52Instead, the way you are choosing is not logical.
10:54What you are saying is I am proposing this action.
10:57Now you tell me what is wrong with this action.
11:00So I am proposing another action, chop off your hand and tell me what's wrong with it.
11:05Please…
11:05Please get this.
11:07So now tell me, what do you have to say in favour of suicide?
11:14It's usually seen as a negative thing, right?
11:17That's fine.
11:18Let them see it as a negative thing.
11:19You are seeing it as a positive thing.
11:20You tell me what you have to say in its favour.
11:22No, no, I am not seeing it as a positive thing.
11:24Then you don't have anything to say.
11:25You are just raising something for the sake of it.
11:28If you are actually proposing suicide.
11:31And as serious philosophers, we want to consider this question.
11:35As people of serious thought, we want to consider the question of suicide.
11:40Yes, we want to.
11:41Now you tell me what you want to say in its favour.
11:43So like the argument against it is that you will suffer and all that, right?
11:53Re Baba, here you are.
11:56Here you are sitting in this auditorium.
11:58Now tell me why do you want to commit suicide?
12:02One starts from the reality.
12:04Here you are.
12:05Just a second.
12:06Listen to me.
12:11The argument against it is that you will suffer and all that.
12:16And that can continue to your next birth and whatever.
12:20Suffering is due to the ego that considers itself as the doer and the sufferer.
12:27Yeah, yeah.
12:27Wait, wait.
12:28Understand.
12:29The body does not suffer.
12:31The ego suffers.
12:33Do you want to perpetuate the cause of suffering in the name of removing the suffering?
12:39Please understand how.
12:40The ego suffers because it thinks of itself as the owner, the controller of the body, as
12:48the doer of the deeds and separate from the body.
12:51Mark all these points.
12:53The owner of the body, the control of the body.
12:56Right?
12:57The doer of its deeds and separate from the body.
13:01Right?
13:01That is the cause of the suffering.
13:03Why the ego suffers?
13:04Because it carries these, let's say, four misplaced notions.
13:08So, it suffers.
13:09Now, if you commit suicide, what is the ego doing?
13:14Going against these four notions or reinforcing those four notions?
13:19So, by reinforcing the cause of suffering, you want to be free of suffering.
13:27The ego suffers, first of all, because it thinks of itself as the owner of the body.
13:32I have ownership of the body.
13:34This is who I am.
13:35I'll make this do.
13:36I'll make this do that.
13:37I'll make this do this.
13:38This is this.
13:39As an extension of this, the ego then says, I will make this fall apart.
13:45This is just the same thing that caused you suffering in the first place.
13:51So, this is stupid.
13:52Why?
13:53Because you are punishing this thing for what it is not.
13:57The suffering never came from your throat.
14:01Why are you slashing it?
14:03The suffering never came from your intestines.
14:06Why are you consuming poison?
14:07The suffering comes from somewhere else.
14:09If you are honestly fed up of suffering, then treat the root cause of suffering.
14:15Why are you assaulting this poor instrument?
14:19So, suffering.
14:20The problem with suffering is that it is dishonest.
14:26Dishonest.
14:26But with the body, the ego is also gonna die, right?
14:30That's like using the wrong means to achieve supposedly the right ends.
14:38First thing, you didn't give birth to yourself.
14:42You are mistakenly taking yourself as the operator of the body.
14:48You have really no right to punish this for what it is not and what it has not done.
14:57The body has not done anything by itself.
15:00You sit there in your misplaced notion as the controller and the doer.
15:05And you make the body do certain things.
15:08And then you blame the body for those things.
15:10And your ultimate punishment is that I will finish off the body.
15:13What has the poor body done?
15:17What has the poor body done?
15:19If you want to really kill, kill ignorance, not the body.
15:25If you want to kill, kill ignorance, not the body.
15:28Because it is ignorance that suffers.
15:35How or wow?
15:39The question is how?
15:41The path is still not clear.
15:42How to do that?
15:43Yes, yes, yes.
15:44You have to understand how ignorance comes into being.
15:49Had you not asked this how, sounding as wow, would I have responded?
15:55Think of it.
15:57Maybe, maybe not.
15:58Would I have really faced you and answered you, had you not asked this question?
16:03No, I don't know.
16:04Not likely.
16:05Let's be honest.
16:06Possible, but not likely.
16:07Not likely, right?
16:09So that's the path.
16:13That's the path.
16:14Wait, wait, wait.
16:15First of all, this will be clear.
16:18There is ignorance.
16:20Let the ignorance show up in inquiry, in curiosity.
16:26Right?
16:27Let ignorance not be defended.
16:29Rather, challenged, challenged, challenged.
16:33And challenged does not mean that you are being judgmental and declaring the defeat of ignorance in advance.
16:40No, we are not declaring its defeat.
16:42We are just entering the arena.
16:44Now let's see who wins.
16:46Now let's see who wins.
16:47So this question is the way out of ignorance.
16:50How?
16:51Ask those questions.
16:53The question mark is the answer.
17:00If there is no Janma of the same person in the future, the birth comes from the existence.
17:07And what were the past Janmas?
17:10So many...
17:11You have had definitely many past births and you will also have many future births.
17:19The problem lies in assuming that you have had a definite past birth and one definite future birth is waiting
17:27for you.
17:29You come from a million sources in the past.
17:34First of all millions, secondly concurrent.
17:38Therefore, it's not that you didn't have a past birth.
17:40You did have.
17:41But you think of yourself, for example, what's your name if I may?
17:45Balvinder Singh.
17:45Balvinder Singh.
17:46Balvinder Singh.
17:46So Balvinder Singh would think I came from Rajinder Singh.
17:50That's the problem.
17:51You did have a past birth but your name in your past birth was not Rajinder.
17:55Your name was?
17:58Your name was?
17:59What's your name?
18:00Prateek.
18:02Adarsh.
18:03Tejasvi.
18:05Asha.
18:06Satyarthi.
18:08Jharna.
18:09Prashant.
18:10These are all your names you have had.
18:14These are all your past names.
18:16And these are all your future names.
18:19But you think I was Rajinder in the past.
18:22I am Balvinder right now.
18:23And I'll become Khushvinder next.
18:27That's your problem.
18:29You think of yourself as a specific individual.
18:33In one specific stream.
18:36Where you have had one specific past birth.
18:38And you'll have one specific birth in the future.
18:41That's your problem.
18:42You were everything in the past.
18:44And you will be everything in the future.
18:47The only problem is that right now you do not consider yourself everything.
18:52That's your problem.
18:54So sir many people they don't do evil things because they think that this is karma.
18:59If we do something evil.
19:01Maybe in our next birth we have to leave something evil will happen to us.
19:05But if we say that we have come from different things and we like we are everything and everything.
19:10So we can do anything that gives us the liberty to do anything.
19:13You're right.
19:14That's the way the moral code has operated.
19:17And many people argue that this moral code has had its benefits.
19:21Yes.
19:21Good.
19:22What's your name?
19:23Takshi.
19:24The problem with this is, let's go to the root of it.
19:27Who told me I'll have a future birth?
19:30Somebody.
19:31Yeah.
19:33You said because that somebody told me that I'll have a future birth.
19:37So to secure a favorable future birth, I'll abstain from evil in this birth.
19:43That's the position.
19:44Yes.
19:45The same person who told me that I have a future birth is also the person who gives me my
19:51definition of evil.
19:52So I do not know what evil is.
19:55Sir, can we do any evil?
19:57Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
19:59Don't jump the gun.
20:00Don't jump the gun.
20:01I don't really know what evil means.
20:04To me evil is only that which he has told me.
20:07He has told me, don't kill the animal.
20:11It is evil.
20:13But he has not told me that milking the animal is equally evil.
20:18So in the name of avoiding evil, I'll abstain from killing the animal.
20:23But I'll not abstain from milking the animal.
20:26Do you understand this?
20:27Yes.
20:28Because the definition of good and evil are not coming from my own discretion.
20:33They are coming from him.
20:35Just as my concept of next birth is coming from him.
20:39Do you get this?
20:42And...
20:46Ma'am, you happen to be a faculty in the institution, right?
20:50Have you taken any course under ma'am?
20:52Unlikely.
20:53Right.
20:53Let's say, let's say you have.
20:56You wrote a brilliant paper.
20:58Brilliant paper.
21:00Right?
21:00When do you want it to be discussed and assessed?
21:04Next birth?
21:05No.
21:06This birth.
21:07That's the answer.
21:09But then we see people doing very bad things, but nothing happens to them.
21:13They are living very peacefully.
21:14Yeah, they do bad things because the same people who told them that you must not do evil.
21:18Out of their greed, they also told them that if you do evil, you can compensate by using this kind
21:27of atonement mechanism.
21:28Prayaschit.
21:31So I can do whatever I want to do.
21:33And then I can donate to some organization or some temple or mosque and then get away with it.
21:37So sir, that person who is doing the evil is not wrong then?
21:41The one who told...
21:42He is not wrong.
21:42He does not exist.
21:44Because we exist only when we are conscious.
21:48We cannot say we are existent just because we have a body.
21:51As human beings, we exist only when we are conscious.
21:55So if unconsciously we are believing in things like personal rebirth, we don't even exist.
22:02Forget about being wrong.
22:03We are not even existent.
22:06But he won't understand all this.
22:08He will continue to do evil things.
22:10How to stop that person?
22:11The one who wants to understand whatever he does out of understanding cannot be evil.
22:17That is the definition of right and wrong.
22:20What comes out of your deepest, honest, truthful understanding cannot be evil even if the society and the law forbid
22:29it.
22:30On the other hand, if you do something dictated by this, that, Tao Ji, Mama Ji, Baba Ji, that is
22:38what is evil even if you are glorified on a stage.
22:45So who should be punished then if someone does the evil thing?
22:48Who has the authority to punish anybody?
22:51The judge, the courts.
22:52That's what you have sanctioned.
22:54Tell that to a Bhagat Singh.
22:57Tell that to a Bhagat Singh.
22:58He really didn't even accept the authority of the judge to punish him.
23:02But yes, now that you have handcuffed me and arrested me and put me in a cell, obviously you can
23:07hang me.
23:07That doesn't mean that I accept that you have the right to do that.
23:11Do whatever you want to do because you have the brute physical power.
23:14You can do that, you have the machine guns, kill me.
23:16But that doesn't mean that I accept you as the authority.
23:19I don't.
23:20Even in my last breath, I don't accept you.
23:22But then for an order to exist, for a civilization to exist, there has to be some moral code, something.
23:31Because if we remove the responsibility from the evil person...
23:35You want to conduct an experiment right now?
23:38Should we do that?
23:39Yeah, sure.
23:40Should we do that?
23:41Sure.
23:41Right now?
23:42I am prepared to fail.
23:43I am prepared to fail.
23:45Okay.
23:47Twenty volunteers here.
23:49Come.
23:59Four of you.
24:01Let's cramp this place.
24:03Thirty of you.
24:03Please.
24:07Let's cramp this place.
24:08Fill it up.
24:08Thirty of you.
24:09Come.
24:10Does this little well not look crowded right now?
24:14It does look crowded, right?
24:15Okay.
24:17Okay.
24:18How do you know my experiment?
24:20How do you know what is enough?
24:21You two stand here.
24:22You two participate in this.
24:24Fine.
24:26We have these boundaries already delimited for us, right?
24:31This little area, this well.
24:33You look at them.
24:34All of them.
24:35Can you see?
24:35I have not given them any code of conduct.
24:38I have not given them any code of conduct.
24:41I am only asking them to do what life does.
24:44Move.
24:45Life is movement.
24:46Please move.
24:49Please move.
24:51Move.
24:51Move.
24:52This entire area is yours.
24:53Move.
24:53Move.
24:54Move.
24:54Move.
24:56Move.
24:58No.
24:58Is that how you usually move?
25:00Move.
25:01With your eyes open.
25:02As you usually move.
25:04Move with your eyes open.
25:08You see this?
25:09We were talking of order.
25:11We were talking.
25:11No.
25:12Please move.
25:12Keep moving.
25:15Do you see this?
25:17Do you see this?
25:18How many of them do you find falling?
25:21No.
25:21How many of them have some kind of an instruction manual in how to move?
25:29No one.
25:29No one.
25:29Right?
25:30Close your eyes now, each one of you.
25:32Close your eyes.
25:33Close your eyes.
25:35Close your eyes.
25:36Close your eyes.
25:36Move.
25:39Move.
25:40Move.
25:42Close your eyes and move.
25:47Move fast.
25:48Like life.
25:49Move.
25:50Move.
25:51Close your eyes.
25:52Don't open your eyes please.
25:53Move.
25:53And don't keep still.
25:54Don't keep still.
25:55Move.
25:55Move.
25:56Move.
25:58Move.
26:00Move.
26:02Oh stop.
26:04Done.
26:05Please go back.
26:14Eyes open and eyes closed.
26:16Right?
26:17Yes, Sakshi.
26:18Where did you find disorder?
26:21At least relatively.
26:22Eyes closed.
26:23Eyes closed.
26:23Where does order come from?
26:25An instruction or the eyes?
26:27Eyes.
26:27That's it.
26:28You don't need somebody's instruction.
26:36You need a society where people have their eyes open.
26:41That's what is order.
26:42But we are so afraid.
26:44So afraid.
26:44That if somebody does not give us a religious or moral or social or legal code of conduct,
26:51then we will turn evil.
26:52Because that's what Dadi told me.
26:56If you are not governed by the ancient traditions and the primitive codes, then you will lose
27:04not only order but also honor.
27:08Is that so?
27:09Is that really so?
27:12Is that really so?
27:14Look at…
27:16Yeah, somebody said, can we do this on a road?
27:18This is exactly what is happening on the road.
27:22No, think of it.
27:23Wait.
27:24When you are driving.
27:26Right?
27:27You are driving at 100 kmph.
27:29And a truck passes you by from the opposite direction.
27:32The relative speed is 180.
27:33Why does nothing happen to you?
27:36And between the surfaces of the two vehicles, the distance is 6 inches.
27:44Why does nothing happen to you?
27:48Because the eyes are open.
27:50Because the eyes are open.
27:53Because the eyes are open.
27:53Order does not come from anything else.
27:55Order comes from the open eye.
27:59But you think order comes from a written code.
28:03Unless there is somebody to tell me what to do, I would be disorderly.
28:08That's a superstition, sir.
28:10In fact, disorder comes from all kinds of instructions.
28:14What you need is liberation from all that which arrests your mind.
28:19That's the freedom that wisdom, spirituality, philosophy, Vedanta.
28:26That's the freedom they want to take you to.
28:30But instead, there are vested interests that tell us, no, you are stupid.
28:34You are small.
28:35You must be governed.
28:36You must be regulated.
28:38You must be told what to do.
28:39You must be told what to wear.
28:40You must be told what to eat.
28:42You must be told how to speak.
28:43You must be told how to marry.
28:45Everything must be told to you.
28:47And if that is not told to you, you will turn beastly.
28:49You will turn evil.
28:50And you will do all kinds of disorderly things.
28:52And you are scared.
28:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:54That's right.
28:55That's not right.
28:56That's stupid.
28:58What we need is freedom.
28:59Freedom is order.
29:01Freedom is order.
29:02But freedom coming from a free center.
29:06Not freedom given to chimpanzees.
29:09So if you find that freedom results in disorder, then what you have is chimpanzees.
29:15The first thing is to turn them into free men.
29:19This beast that we are, this must be internally illuminated.
29:23The chimpanzee must turn into a proper human being.
29:26And then he should have absolute freedom.
29:29That's what order is.
29:31Hmm?
29:32Yeah.
29:33So some people are born rich.
29:35Some people are born very poor.
29:37So some people say that it is due to past karmas.
29:41But is that pure luck or what you comment?
29:44Another experiment?
29:45Yeah.
29:48But we might not have the substance to do that.
29:52I needed a handful of grain.
29:56Grain.
29:57Possible?
29:58Okay.
29:59I need a few coins.
30:01Coins.
30:03Coins.
30:04Coins.
30:06Coins.
30:08No guarantee.
30:10No guarantee.
30:11No guarantee.
30:26Who's your favourite one?
30:30What's your favourite one?
30:30Who's your favourite one?
30:36The foundation is getting richer.
30:39This is my way of accepting donations.
30:55It will be a big mess if I now throw all these up.
31:00So we limit it to a thought experiment.
31:04Will you ever know which one of these will show up as head and which one as tail?
31:11That's what sir, that's what.
31:14If heads means rich and tails means poor, you will never know.
31:21That's what all the stochastic calculation is about, no?
31:31There's this nice book, Pulled by Randomness.
31:40Not a recent one, 15 years back, 20 years back something.
31:47You will never know, you will attribute causality to something that is entirely random.
31:53Like the throw of a dice.
31:55You are attributing causality to something which is not causal at all.
32:02It is random.
32:12But you say, if somebody was born with a silver spoon, surely, it is because of his great deeds in
32:19the past birth.
32:20No sir, it's random.
32:22Secondly, Prakrati has zero respect for your richness or poverty.
32:32So it is from your own vantage point that you say that somebody born in a rich family is fortunate.
32:40For existence, richness and poverty are exactly the same.
32:47For existence, somebody born with a disease is fulfilling much the same purpose as somebody born healthy.
32:53So stop attributing reasons to that which has no reason at all.
32:59Don't you know?
33:01I mean, who can predict what the throw of a coin or throw of a dice would result in?
33:07Who can predict that?
33:08Similarly, if your kid is born with a disorder, that may have a reason.
33:16Fine, during pregnancy you did something stupid, that might be a reason.
33:19But often there is no reason.
33:21Often there is just no reason.
33:25You are walking, a trick hits you from behind and you will want to say,
33:29I surely did something mischievous and that is a karma and the result of that.
33:34Nothing sir, nothing.
33:35Even if there is a reason, the reason belongs to the total.
33:39The reason does not belong to the individual.
33:41You will have to look for the reason this way.
33:43I was hit because the road was narrow.
33:45Why was the road narrow?
33:46Because the authorities are corrupt.
33:48Why are the authorities corrupt?
33:49Because the society is corrupt.
33:50Why did the truck hit me?
33:51Because the truck driver was drunk.
33:53Why is he drunk?
33:54Because the state has lax rules and the enforcement does not happen.
33:58Why does the enforcement does not happen?
33:59For this reason, for this reason.
34:00So again, you will have to trace it back to the total.
34:04But you don't want to do that kind of intellectual work.
34:08So very lazily we say, this is my past life karma.
34:11This is my past life karma.
34:13Not only do you say this is past life karma,
34:15you also create categories of conditions.
34:20You say for example, if I am born a girl.
34:24And that still goes.
34:26Maybe now you think it's not topical.
34:28But that still goes in much of India.
34:31If it was a girl,
34:33then something was not right in her last year.
34:36In fact, there are religious traditions that say that the woman cannot even be liberated.
34:41She will have to die and take a male birth and only then any kind of liberation is possible to
34:47her.
34:48Why?
34:48Because you cannot be born a woman unless you are a sinner.
34:51Because you are a sinner, so you are born a woman.
34:54This is what all these stupid concepts do.
34:56Rebirth and all those things.
34:58You want to still go by them please.
35:01And coming from a woman.
35:04Sir, on the question of worrying that he was asking that why the person should not do suicide.
35:10So, my follow-up was like you said.
35:14Yeah.
35:14So, my follow-up that you said to ma'am that when life is there so worry will continue with
35:21life.
35:23Life is there so?
35:24Worry will continue with life like it's there the part of it.
35:28It's not exclusive.
35:29So, to end that, it's okay, right?
35:32You think she has some...
35:36Sometimes...
35:36See, when the...
35:38Wait.
35:39When I say that one must have the right to finish his or her life off with dignity,
35:47that is not suicide that I am advocating.
35:52I am talking of a period in one's life when, you know, surviving amounts to being on the
36:00ventilator or being continuously on machine support.
36:04And there is no dignity in that.
36:06No creativity in that.
36:07You are only sucking resources and just breathing for no good at all.
36:13And medicals have certified that you cannot recover.
36:19But you can hang on for another two months or two years.
36:23That's the point when you can decide to just hang up your boots.
36:27That's one thing.
36:28But then, as a youngster, if you say, how is suicide not a preferred way of coping with sorrow?
36:43That's a different question altogether.
36:46But if the mental stress continues and it also hampers with creativity...
36:50Then address the root of the stress.
36:55Your thumb is not the root of your stress.
36:58Why are you unnecessarily punishing it?
37:02Has the body caused you stress?
37:05When it is really the body that causes you stress?
37:10Yes, certain developed countries do have provisions for euthanasia.
37:13That is when it is the body that is causing you stress.
37:17Then they say, fine, go.
37:18That's a choice.
37:19You can go.
37:20But suicide is when you are punishing the body for the ego's ignorance.
37:28And if you want to take care of general sorrow in life, go to the root of sorrow.
37:34But sir, ego's ignorance will never end now.
37:36It's ego.
37:37You have said that...
37:37Yeah, that doesn't mean that it cannot reduce.
37:40That doesn't mean that a range doesn't exist.
37:43That doesn't mean that you'll have to be at the rock bottom all the time.
37:48You can rise.
37:54Yes, suffering will continue.
37:55But that does not mean that its nature cannot change.
37:59That does not mean that there can't be joy in suffering.
38:02What is better than that in the morning?
38:05That does not mean that it may be joy in students.
38:13Well...
38:14Are they still not getting HIV?
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