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00:19Good morning, last Tuesday at the age of 82 Don Luigi Giussani, the founder
00:27of communion and liberation, he entered the seminary at the age of 10 and then became a religion teacher
00:34at the Berset high school in Milan, then at the Catholic university Don Giussani was one of the figures
00:40more prestigious, more charismatic, more influential than post-war Italian Catholicism.
00:48Today, to remember him, we want to bring you a special made with Massimo Bernardini
00:56on the occasion of his eightieth birthday. His students, his pupils, representatives
01:05of some generations found themselves in the same benches of the Berset where he had
01:11taught religion. Let's review it.
01:46Let's review it.
02:09Let's review it.
02:19Don Giussani, let's start by saying where he was born, he was born in Desio, he was born in 1922, on October 15th
02:27and his mother, his mother is Catholic, a believer and practitioner, a simple woman.
02:36Instead his father is not Catholic, he is a socialist and was very passionate about music and he passed on
02:43this passion to his son.
02:44At the age of 11 he entered the seminary and there he came into contact with a series of people, including
02:50Columbus, who passed on to him his passion for Leopardi.
02:59He specialized in Eastern theology and American Protestant theology and at the seminary
03:05he founded the Studium Christi with some of his seminary companions.
03:09It happened that on a trip from Milan to Rimini on the train I met a group of
03:13young people and a spontaneous discussion arose in which the young people felt despair and difference
03:18in the companions of the church.
03:21I remember an episode he told about his first lesson at Berchè,
03:25that a student who had just entered had told him look, don't come here and tell us so many stories
03:31because we know that faith and reason are two totally separate things.
03:35There Don Giussane had begun to discuss precisely that, causing a crisis
03:40the whole class and even going so far as to arrange a conversation with a philosophy professor
03:45which was on the same more or less a gazzadonna of the boys.
03:50Don Giuss entered the classroom and everyone was certainly impressed by what he said.
03:57and his way of being with the boys.
04:10I wonder why you know this story?
04:13Why are we still part of it?
04:16That is, we are still part of this story.
04:19So this story continued?
04:20Yes, and it will continue.
04:24Are you sure it will continue?
04:25I hope, I hope for those who will be part of it in the future.
04:32Don Luigi Giussani turned 80 on October 15, 2002.
04:37We are here in an old Berchè classroom with some former Berchè students
04:42but also with some guys from 2002 from Berchè
04:48But first of all we need to say who you are.
04:51You are all former students of Don Giussani
04:54We said Don Giussani is here from 54 to 65
04:58teaches in these classrooms, probably in this classroom too
05:02we are tied on the third floor of the Berchè
05:05he attended all the high school classes
05:06first, second and third year of high school
05:08So, what's missing from this story?
05:10In 1965 he left middle and high school
05:14leave the Berchè
05:15and becomes a teacher of introduction to theology
05:19to Catholic honesty
05:20which he held until 1990
05:22Let's start by saying who you are
05:25name, surname, profession?
05:28Guido Plericetti, radio and television author
05:30I came here in 57 and I was in Serie A
05:34Lorenzo Stricklevers, a university teacher
05:37in the first year of high school I was in 60 and 61
05:41Tiziana Maiolo, journalist, currently also a councilor for the Municipality of Milan
05:45I was in section C in the years between 58 and 60 and 61
05:50Massimo Fini, journalist, section D, 60 and 61
05:54Rosil De Craxi, first class C, aged 56 and 59
06:00Aldo Vanoni, magistrate, section B, 57 and 60
06:05Faster, faster
06:07Roberto Barbieri, publicist, first year of high school D, 64
06:11Don Luigi Negri, university professor, first E, 1957
06:17Claudio Risepsico, analyst and journalist, section A, 56 and 59
06:25Giulio Giorello, university professor, first A, 1960 and 61
06:30Last line, so we run
06:32Carlo Fontana, Dream of the Scale, First F, 64
06:36Paolo Schumet, lawyer, 1962, third E
06:41Giuliano Visapia, lawyer, currently a member of parliament
06:45I had Don Luigi Giossani as a teacher
06:47in 1963 and 1964, in the first and second year of high school, section A
06:52Giuseppe Zola, Peppino for friends, lawyer, 1957, third E
06:59Eugenia Scabini, university professor, first D, 1955
07:07Paolo Piliteri, journalist, first D, 1957
07:13Francesco Bottori, university professor, first A, 1962-63
07:17So, for those who know a little about Milan, but perhaps also a little about our country
07:22they are also names that count, but let's complete the presentations
07:26then, many others in those years were Don Giussani's students
07:29I have here a list that we invited
07:32from Mondadori director Gian Arturo Ferrari to designer Miuccia Prada
07:36from the publisher Marco Tropea to Angelo Rizzoli and Leonardo Mondadori
07:40from politicians Antonio Del Pennino to Paolo Bonaiuti
07:43up to the heiress Gioia Falc
07:46we, as I was saying, invited them all
07:48some really couldn't come with much regret
07:52others did not want to come
07:54why Don Giussani continues to divide in 2002
07:58It continues to divide, that's a fact
08:01but to begin to enter into the story of Don Giussani
08:05let's start from the first element
08:07Don Giussani entered these classes and spoke
08:11it was a presence that spoke, that said things
08:13let's start telling this story
08:16starting from a young actor too
08:19who will tell us, along this path, how Don Giussani talks about himself
08:25I remember when I was five years old
08:27when I went to mass at five in the morning with my mother
08:31that time it was around Easter
08:33it was a beautiful day
08:35and there was also a breeze
08:36cold and burning, as the poet Maria Barbara Tosatti would say
08:40in the blue sky of the last morning twilight
08:44the morning star could be seen clearly
08:46large, unique in the sky
08:48my mom told me
08:50going in a hurry
08:52how beautiful the world is
08:53and how great God is
08:57The objection is not being old
09:00the objection is being immature
09:04that is, young
09:06in this case Christianity
09:10cleans up
09:11the archive that is also in writing
09:13when the prophet says
09:16give honor to God in the time of your youth
09:19before the sad years come
09:21in which one says
09:24had never been born
09:28in Christianity exactly the dough
09:30the more one grows
09:31the more it rejuvenates
09:32the younger he becomes
09:37and the taste of truth
09:39and the dialogue with the truth
09:41in the last three years for me
09:43they were denser
09:47That
09:48they were denser
09:50that not even in the last thirty years
09:55never allow
09:57that in your participation
10:00the woodworm lodges
10:03of habit
10:04of the routine
10:05of old age
10:06this does not threaten
10:11this does not threaten
10:13as he said
10:14Monsignor Giussani
10:16they are young
10:17they are some less young
10:19the oldest would be the pope
10:23but he too
10:24like everyone else
10:26the oldest
10:28he is old
10:30also according to the expression of St. Peter
10:33then he also tries to be young
10:36young at heart
10:43Like this
10:44the grace of Jesus
10:46for me
10:47it has become
10:49the experience
10:50of a faith
10:52that in the Holy Church
10:54that is, in the Christian people
10:56it revealed itself as
10:59a call
11:01to feed
11:03the new Israel
11:04of God
11:06I saw your people
11:08with great joy
11:11recognize
11:12the existence
11:13as an offering to you
11:16continues
11:16the prayer
11:17of the liturgy
11:19I saw it like this
11:21I say
11:22happen
11:23the formation
11:24of a people
11:25in the name of Christ
11:27everything in me
11:28has become
11:29truly more religious
11:31to the point of consciousness
11:33aimed at discovering
11:34that God
11:36it's all in all
11:37the existence
11:40he expresses himself
11:41as the ultimate ideal
11:44in begging
11:45the real protagonist
11:48of history
11:49he is the beggar
11:52Meaning what
11:54Christ
11:55beggar
11:56of the heart of man
11:57and the heart of man
12:00he is the beggar
12:00of Christ
12:04the mystery
12:06like mercy
12:07This
12:07it's the hug
12:08more irresistible
12:11of his
12:14evident
12:15compassion
12:16of being
12:18of the source
12:18of being
12:19of the purpose
12:20of being
12:21of nature
12:21of being
12:22of everything
12:24the relationship
12:24of being
12:26with nothing
12:27what he did
12:28who gave
12:29participation in oneself
12:33this is the last hug
12:35of the mystery
12:37against which
12:38the man
12:40even the most
12:41the furthest
12:43the most perverse
12:45or the most obscured
12:47the darkest
12:52he can't even
12:54Nothing
12:55he can't even
12:56objection
13:00he can desert it
13:02but deserting
13:04himself
13:05it's really good
13:06the mystery
13:08as mercy
13:09stay
13:11the last word
13:12Also
13:13above all
13:13the bad ones
13:14possibility
13:15of history
13:15At that time
13:17but I
13:18to everyone
13:19I ask a question
13:20Don Giussani
13:21he was entering
13:21in these classes
13:22he sat down
13:23he began his lesson
13:25he was talking to you
13:26what a reaction
13:27aroused
13:27this presence
13:28well me
13:29this memory
13:30very precise
13:31first time
13:33who enters the classroom
13:34Don Giussani
13:35Don Giussa
13:35and clearly
13:37religion class
13:38everyone was talking
13:40among themselves
13:40no one paid attention
13:42to the professor
13:44of religion
13:44and he
13:45then he started
13:46right away with one
13:46provocation
13:47and asked
13:49to all of us
13:49but you
13:50you think it's right
13:51that a family
13:52Catholic
13:53give an education
13:54Catholic
13:55to their children
13:55and clearly
13:57there was immediately
13:57the reaction
13:58of some of us
14:00that they placed on him
14:01a question
14:02analogous
14:03but she
14:04professor
14:05he thinks it's right
14:05that a family
14:06Communist
14:07give an education
14:08Communist
14:09to their children
14:09and he said
14:10Yes
14:11and now I'll explain it to you
14:12Why
14:12and I have to tell the truth
14:13that at that moment
14:14he won us over
14:15one could share or not
14:17what he was saying
14:17but surely
14:19his class hours
14:20it was the hours
14:22where we were
14:23open-mouthed
14:23to listen
14:25she is now
14:26of refoundation
14:27Communist
14:28so it's not that
14:29the example was because
14:30there was the family right there
14:31Communist
14:32who taught
14:33maybe I didn't know
14:34not even the difference
14:35between communism
14:36Here you are
14:37what do you remember
14:38of this
14:39the skirt
14:40of a priest
14:41it fluttered
14:43so much
14:43he was entering
14:44with
14:45with desire
14:46hasty
14:47to announce
14:48what I wanted to announce
14:49to talk to us
14:50and I remember
14:53the passion
14:54with which everyone
14:55we participated
14:56to the lesson
14:57we were used to
14:59before then
14:59to religion lessons
15:01a bit
15:03ridiculous
15:03with him
15:04it was no joke
15:05it was a serious thing
15:06he committed us
15:09dictated
15:10what before
15:10he explained
15:11he dictated it
15:12synthetically
15:13And
15:14and on that
15:15they opened
15:15of the discussions
15:16fascinating
15:17discussions
15:18Very
15:18very large
15:19but
15:22I would also add
15:23one thing
15:23That
15:23For
15:25to remove
15:26any misunderstanding
15:27of Amarcord
15:27this evening
15:29Giussani
15:30it's like this
15:30I heard it
15:32last Saturday
15:32in Assago
15:33in front of 15,500 people
15:35And
15:36he spoke
15:37with the same
15:37authority
15:38and it moved us
15:39in the same way
15:40with which he moved us
15:41in these classes
15:42Here you are
15:42ends
15:43What
15:43yes he was a great one
15:45seducer
15:45in my view
15:47there were those who accepted it
15:48that is, who does it?
15:49Excuse me
15:49she was among the seduced
15:50or not
15:51just to understand
15:52Absolutely not
15:53the reasons
15:54Excuse me
15:54of this
15:55instinctively
15:56I didn't like it
15:57this rhetoric
15:58that they had
15:59going low
16:01this way
16:02to do
16:02let's start going out
16:03why here
16:04we're going a little
16:04too much roses and flowers
16:05I mean, I mean
16:06probably now
16:08on the fury of memory
16:09I feel like saying everyone
16:10ah how beautiful it was
16:11this Don Giussani
16:12how sweet it was
16:13here though
16:14we're at the end
16:15from what he tells us
16:16ends
16:16let's move on from there
16:17he always said
16:18I don't want to convince you
16:20of no content
16:21I want to get you used to it
16:22to teach you a method
16:24that of comparison
16:25among the proposals
16:26mine and the others
16:28that you will find
16:29found
16:29you will find
16:30and yours
16:31human experience
16:32so to me
16:34it helped a lot
16:35even just
16:36on the floor
16:37cultural
16:38intellectual
16:38this appeal
16:41at the
16:42intelligence
16:44as capacity
16:45of comparison
16:46critic
16:47with the proposals
16:48not instead
16:48an intelligence
16:49closed in on itself
16:49that analyzes
16:50the objects
16:52or analyze
16:53their own reactions
16:54this to me
16:55it seems that it is
16:55a lesson
16:56that's gone
16:57well beyond
16:58the difference
16:59among believers
17:00and non-believers
17:01Catholics
17:01and non-Catholics
17:02she was intervening
17:03it was a provocation
17:05they continue
17:06I was
17:07an opponent of his
17:08they were really divided
17:09albergea
17:10there were two parties
17:11he was the boss
17:12the leader
17:13as well as the professor
17:13of religion
17:14he was the leader
17:14of the party
17:16of the Giesini
17:17what were their names
17:17of the Giesini
17:18student youth
17:20nucleus of communion
17:21liberation
17:21then changed
17:23has become
17:23communion liberation
17:24we were instead
17:26the radical socialists
17:28the opponents
17:29but I have to say
17:29his lesson
17:30it really was
17:31a provocation
17:32he had this ability
17:34to provoke a reaction
17:35to put into play
17:38Meaning what
17:40he was very charming
17:42then he preached standing up
17:44I remember it
17:45standing
17:46we remember
17:47among other things
17:48who was 32 years old
17:49when he entered
17:49albergea
17:50we looked old
17:53he was not a handsome man
17:54but he was extremely charming
17:56Maximum
17:57That
17:58actually
17:59at the time
18:00the young people
18:01it's not that they were
18:02very politicized
18:04the majority
18:04now maybe
18:05Strickelears
18:05it was already radical
18:07socialist
18:07me for example
18:08I was nothing
18:08and yet I was very
18:10recalcitrant
18:11to let me seduce
18:12as Massimo Fini used to say
18:13he was a great sitter
18:15I remember
18:15of the details
18:16for example
18:17he had
18:18this coquetry
18:19keep saying
18:20my voice
18:21it's the first part
18:23about me
18:23that is going away
18:24and all of us
18:25we imagined ourselves
18:26this image
18:27a bit
18:28Leopardian
18:28Almost
18:28of this
18:32almost suffering
18:33like almost
18:34of a man
18:34that he was struggling
18:36but what if it was
18:37almost at the end
18:37of life
18:38then let's stop
18:39a moment
18:39and we listen
18:41soon
18:42let's listen to her
18:43this voice
18:44I remember
18:45when at 13 years old
18:47I read for the first time
18:48the poem
18:49to his woman
18:50by Leopardi
18:51which is an advance
18:52of the mystery
18:53of the incarnation
18:54why the atheist Leopardi
18:56in that poem
18:57expressed for me
18:59wonderfully
19:01the announcement
19:02and the message
19:03of the first page
19:04by John the Evangelist
19:05the verb
19:07he became flesh
19:08my third generation
19:10When
19:11it's a seminar
19:12when for a whole month
19:14having found
19:15a certain poetry
19:17in the evening
19:17festive
19:18for the whole month
19:20I read
19:20I read
19:21only Leopardi
19:22studying everything
19:23the memory
19:23and since then
19:24everyday
19:27I was saying again
19:28the one
19:28or the other
19:29of his songs
19:30one or the other
19:31of his songs
19:32from memory
19:33until
19:35I found that song
19:36That
19:38returns
19:39normal
19:41word
19:41as a thank you
19:43of Holy Communion
19:45so much so that
19:46when I said this
19:47at a gathering
19:48of priests
19:50he already had
19:51started
19:52to G.S
19:52Cardinal Giovanni Colombo
19:55which was nearby
19:55but
19:57hey bo
19:58but
19:59if I had known
20:00I wouldn't have done it to you
20:01priest
20:03Indeed
20:04we will hear about it
20:05the poem
20:05Then
20:08That's good
20:09That
20:09he didn't know
20:15above
20:16the portrait
20:17of a beautiful woman
20:18sculpted
20:20on the monument
20:21to bury
20:22of the same
20:23there are some long ones
20:25learned by heart
20:27but
20:28I have to read
20:31with the lip
20:32on high par
20:34like a full moon
20:36overflowing pleasure
20:37that neck
20:39belt
20:39already of desire
20:41that loving hand
20:42which often
20:43where it was brought
20:45felt genita
20:46and the breast
20:49waves people
20:50visibly
20:51of pallor yes
20:52dyes
20:52furo
20:53some time
20:55or
20:57mud and bones
20:59six
21:00the view
21:02of tuperosa
21:03and sad
21:04a stone
21:05hides
21:09Like this
21:10reduces
21:11the fact
21:12any ambiance
21:14between us
21:15it seemed more
21:16Viva
21:16image
21:17of the sky
21:19the sign
21:21bigger
21:21of the sky
21:22of happiness
21:24of the eternal
21:25it's the face
21:25of the woman
21:29eternal mystery
21:30of being
21:30our
21:31remember
21:32this sentence
21:32why Leopardi is here
21:34not in the no
21:36in denial
21:38for which
21:40my teachers
21:41of seminary
21:41they prohibited
21:42that we read
21:43Leopardi
21:44infinite desires
21:47haughty visions
21:49they create
21:50the vague thought
21:51by natural virtue
21:53learned with a hundred
21:54a beauty
21:56a harmony
21:57but if
22:00a discordant
22:01to one hundred
22:02beasts
22:03the ear
22:04in nothing
22:05around
22:06to heaven
22:06in a moment
22:09you look like you
22:10with your girlfriend
22:11in the best moments
22:12you look like you
22:14with your girlfriend
22:15in the best moments
22:16then I
22:16I want to ask you a question
22:18I think everyone
22:19the Italians
22:20went to school
22:21they learned
22:22that Leopardi
22:23it means
22:23pessimism
22:24Leopardian
22:25No?
22:26it's a certain
22:27a certain image
22:28of man
22:30and maybe
22:30even of nihilism
22:31to put it bluntly
22:32with more words
22:33which are used most today
22:34I ask you
22:35but a priest
22:36that uses
22:37so Leopardi
22:38it wasn't a thing
22:39a bit
22:41unusual?
22:42but in my opinion
22:43I
22:44socialist
22:45reformist
22:45Truly
22:46I was very clear
22:47in my ideas
22:48and this desire
22:50of this priest
22:50that is precisely
22:51he wanted in some way
22:52to amaze
22:53and disorientate you
22:54it gave me the feeling
22:55of wanting to penetrate you
22:56to take possession
22:57of something of yours
22:58and this brought me
22:58to reject it
22:59the seduction
23:00it was not limited
23:01to the person
23:02and indeed
23:03in this
23:04is it perhaps also
23:04the fact
23:05to be
23:05a true teacher
23:06Therefore
23:07you have to see
23:08if the teachers
23:09these are
23:10or are there others?
23:11Why
23:12Anyway
23:12he is one who
23:13indicates a road
23:14somehow
23:15or whose attempt
23:17that was it
23:17to indicate a way
23:18the test
23:19is
23:20Why
23:20in memory
23:21for me
23:22the memory
23:23of those years
23:24it's an origin
23:24but an origin
23:26which is well explained
23:28from history
23:30which happened
23:31In the
23:31I say for myself
23:32Therefore
23:33indicating a path
23:35it's somehow
23:36of the teacher
23:37cannot be considered
23:38an exception
23:38so much so that it is true
23:39I wanted though
23:40It is true
23:42That
23:42Giussani
23:45he wanted something
23:47from us
23:48And
23:50somehow
23:52he entered in a way
23:54intrusive
23:55not only in the classroom
23:56but in our lives
23:58because he wanted
24:00and this was very clear
24:01our heart
24:03this was very clear
24:05despite
24:06it's true that
24:07then there was a whole comparison
24:10critic
24:10intellectual
24:11but he wanted
24:12our heart
24:14this was absolutely
24:16it was absolutely clear
24:18and for this
24:19that he used
24:20that he used
24:21Leopardi
24:21I wanted to hear Fini
24:22he anticipated me
24:23Risè
24:24Leopardi used
24:25because it was one of the keys
24:26as at level
24:27much lower
24:28he spoke a language
24:30he also said
24:31swear words
24:32which of course
24:33it was impressive
24:34because he did
24:34the priest
24:36casual
24:37that is, she says
24:38he was a real smart guy
24:39you're telling us
24:40ninth
24:40he is totally
24:41in good faith
24:42he was a corruptor
24:43Of
24:43a corruptor
24:45it's a big word
24:46well
24:47a moment
24:47a corruptor
24:48of minds
24:49not yet formed
24:50In short
24:51that is, the fact that
24:52a
24:53a drug dealer
24:54of certainties
24:55actually
24:56he wanted something
24:58for us
24:59he wanted something
25:00for us
25:01not from us
25:01because everyone
25:03anyway they had
25:04from him
25:04that is, also those who
25:05he didn't agree
25:06not by chance
25:08you are here
25:08I am trying to say
25:09that if he hadn't
25:12had
25:12our heart
25:14he couldn't
25:15give us nothing
25:16that is, it wasn't
25:17a claim
25:19how to say
25:21of power
25:22that he wanted
25:23to the heart
25:23he had to
25:24pass by there
25:25or he passed by there
25:26or he didn't combine
25:27Nothing
25:29a traditional
25:30that maybe
25:31because it was just
25:31traditional
25:32it was new
25:33Surely
25:34he said
25:35things that
25:35other priests
25:36even at the level
25:37religious
25:38they didn't say
25:39in those times
25:42but I want to say
25:43but then
25:45he was a priest
25:46modern
25:47how do you say
25:47or something else
25:48This is what I want to understand
25:49Pilliteri
25:50I
25:51I arrived
25:53at the Berset
25:53coming from
25:54for four years
25:55of college
25:57Salesian
25:57in Sondrio
25:58full Vendée
25:59naturally
26:00naturally
26:01hyper Catholic
26:01in a good way
26:02of the term
26:03naturally
26:03I am
26:04I was Catholic
26:05At that time
26:05I am now too
26:06and also socialist
26:08reformist
26:09I remember perfectly
26:11the impact
26:12that I had
26:13with Don Giuseppe
26:14from day one
26:15I noticed
26:17That
26:18he was speaking
26:19a
26:20as well as a language
26:22communicated
26:23concepts
26:24that I did
26:26fatigue
26:26to understand
26:27because I was used to it
26:27to the very simple ones
26:29of the Salesians
26:29to those of Don Bosco
26:30to those of
26:31by Domenico Savio
26:33for me it was
26:34really a leap
26:35a qualitative leap
26:36and also
26:37a
26:38I gave
26:39a little sense
26:40of vertigo
26:41and a little bit too
26:42of irritation
26:43Why
26:43I was wondering
26:44but I'm like that
26:45but I'm like that
26:45backwards
26:46I am possible
26:46that I can't
26:47to be convinced
26:49and then after
26:50naturally
26:51things are
26:51At that time
26:52mistrust
26:53irritation
26:53he wanted the heart
26:54someone spoke
26:56of method
26:56of educational method
26:57We see
26:58what is it about?
26:59and then
27:00that one came
27:01that I understood
27:02for the first time
27:03at 15 years old
27:04in the first year of high school
27:05in the seminary
27:06when the professor
27:07singing
27:08he brought a disc
27:09of the favorite
27:09by Donizetti
27:10in which
27:11Tito Schipa
27:12one of the voices
27:13more beautiful
27:13of literature
27:14Italian music
27:15he was the tenor
27:16we sat down
27:18as usual
27:19and the disc
27:20he started playing
27:22just taken
27:23the word
27:23gentle spirit
27:25the vibration
27:26of the tone
27:27of the voice
27:27the share
27:28of the note
27:29at that moment
27:31of my life
27:31for the first time
27:33I understood
27:34what was God
27:35that there was God
27:37he understood that he couldn't
27:38there is nothing there
27:39if it wasn't there
27:40the meaning
27:41he understood that he couldn't
27:43there is heart
27:44if it wasn't there
27:45the finish line
27:46of the heart
27:46happiness
27:49he said
27:51that faith
27:52in Christ
27:54was needed
27:54yes also
27:55to go to heaven
27:56but this was an accessory
27:57it was needed first of all
27:59to live
27:59life to the fullest
28:01if you follow
28:02this method
28:05I don't promise you
28:06that you will not have
28:07difficulty
28:08pains
28:09I promise you
28:10that life
28:10it will be interesting
28:12the experience
28:13that I did
28:14like many others
28:14of my age
28:15it was that
28:16of a lifetime
28:16boring
28:17I have to say
28:18that that promise
28:19it was maintained
28:20life
28:21following that method
28:23it was full
28:24sometimes even
28:24of pains
28:26of suffering
28:27but it's never
28:28it was boring
28:29Don Giussani
28:31educate
28:32to recognize
28:33Christ present
28:34and how does he do it?
28:36he tells his experience
28:38of this
28:39proximity
28:40of this
28:40Communion
28:41with Christ
28:41that is, in a certain
28:43that sense
28:44remake Christianity
28:45he does it again from the beginning
28:46he's doing it again now
28:47he relives it now
28:48makes it alive
28:50Now
28:50and this is it
28:52his
28:52formidable feature
28:54for example
28:55in my experience
28:56staff
28:57that what for me
28:58he was dead
28:59Christianity
29:00Christian education
29:01that I had had
29:03he brought her to life
29:04I believe
29:05I believe that this
29:05let it also be the reason
29:06for which
29:07from Berchè
29:09Today
29:11Don Giussani
29:12meet people
29:13in New York
29:14in Moscow
29:15in Uganda
29:16in Asia
29:17anywhere
29:17precisely because
29:19proposes something
29:20not that it's from the past
29:21but what is today
29:22here we are at another one
29:23meeting with Don Giussani
29:24it was a testament
29:26which brought me
29:28by Don Giussani
29:29and there
29:31I met
29:31this person
29:32who arrived
29:34with whiskey
29:34that is, drinking whiskey
29:36drinking a lot of whiskey
29:39and I was hit
29:41Why
29:43if I can summarize
29:46Don Giussani
29:47it convinces me
29:48that can be
29:49still Catholics
29:50because he felt
29:52descent
29:53in life
29:54this
29:56humanity
29:57non-religion
29:58this humanity
29:59then it's not a religion
30:01if it's true
30:03that the church
30:03he always buried
30:06the actors
30:08in unconsecrated land
30:09I think that Giussani
30:10he would never have done it
30:12precisely because
30:13Giussani is one
30:14of the very few
30:15at least
30:15that he has known
30:17priests
30:18who love
30:19the theater
30:21so much so that
30:22in his writings
30:23the theater
30:23it is often cited
30:25Ipsen for example
30:26Giussani
30:26it is always cited
30:28Brand
30:29the judge stories
30:30it really was
30:33enemy of all
30:34or all his enemies
30:35we choose
30:37and then
30:38it wasn't
30:38he didn't have
30:39no shore
30:41Why
30:42the omensuals
30:44they hated him
30:44because he
30:45he believed
30:45a custom
30:46a misfortune
30:47and then
30:48Good evening
30:49communists
30:50the Christian Democrats
30:51the Catholics
30:52let's not talk about it
30:53so it was really
30:55a person
30:57alone
30:58solitary
30:59but
31:00combative
31:01and therefore heavy
31:02to bear
31:03and never died
31:05then he died
31:06this vision of the world
31:08by Testori
31:09was fully compatible
31:10with the vision of the world
31:12or at least
31:13Testori
31:13it went into the trash can
31:16by Don Giussani
31:16had placed
31:18it's only 80 years old
31:19there should be very few of them
31:20but
31:22for people like that
31:23there are few
31:27there was a beautiful thing
31:30what does he say?
31:30now I'm doing my homework
31:31that the truly deserving
31:32they should have
31:33as a reward
31:34a double life
31:36No?
31:38the truly deserving
31:39Here you are
31:40I think that
31:41Don Giussani
31:41you deserve a double life
31:44she was considered
31:46how to say
31:46a bit blasphemous
31:47Yes
31:48it's a development
31:50I mean, I would like
31:53I do not understand
31:54why a writer
31:55must be removed
31:55some pieces
31:57Yes
31:57I passed by
31:58I hope I did
31:59what I did
32:00with pain
32:01with sincerity
32:03God in the besieged
32:06very unique indeed
32:07God in the besieged
32:09in vitro
32:10God in the besieged
32:15God in the besieged
32:17as before
32:18that they will want
32:19to become pregnant
32:20pre
32:22pre
32:23pre
32:23tac
32:24but boo
32:33and if Teresa
32:34it was blasphemous
32:35it was because
32:35he recognized
32:36that there was
32:36there was the other one
32:38that he was there
32:39that there was God
32:40they are the
32:41those who do not name
32:44God
32:44not even to curse him
32:45that I am not
32:46religion
32:48Thank you
32:50us
32:51a demic
32:52that we don't lose anymore
32:55to have us
32:56helped
32:58to know
33:00moreover
33:01and to love
33:03and to work
33:04for Christ
33:06Here you are
33:07it's a bit provocative
33:08this choice
33:10by Testori
33:11at this moment
33:11Why
33:12At that time
33:13I ask
33:14but it's Don Giussani
33:15to be a strange priest
33:17or is it normal
33:17that priests are like this
33:18let's go back for a moment
33:20backwards
33:20At that time
33:21Testori had been
33:23a flag
33:23of Piccolo Teatro
33:26Testori's Arialda
33:27had been the subject
33:29of the so-called
33:30obscurantism
33:31so much so that it had been
33:32removed
33:32the billboard
33:33Arialda was not
33:34the head
33:34of the Piccolo Teatro
33:35think about the new
33:36but I want to say
33:37was
33:37Maria Masca
33:38of the Piccolo Teatro
33:39here though
33:39this Testori
33:41he was a Testori
33:42that somehow
33:43corresponded
33:44to philosophy
33:44of the Piccolo Teatro
33:44which was the same
33:46discussed for example
33:47from GS
33:48in the Galileo case
33:49Here you are
33:49I would like to ask
33:50to her first of all
33:52what effect does it have?
33:53the idea that just
33:54Don Giussani himself
33:55who had educated
33:56the Gessini
33:57to stand in a certain way
33:59respect
33:59to culture
34:00of the Piccolo Teatro
34:02twenty years later
34:03fifteen years later
34:04he finds himself
34:05to do
34:06how to say
34:08the funeral oration
34:11in front of the bar
34:12by Giovanni Testori
34:13of the irregular
34:15of the scandalous
34:16John Testori
34:17meanwhile
34:17the Little Theatre
34:18it has always been
34:20a pluralistic theatre
34:21why we must remember
34:23that Apollonius
34:24he is among the founders
34:25of the Piccolo Teatro
34:26together with Grassi
34:26and Stene
34:27point
34:27Therefore
34:28the Catholic community
34:29there has always been
34:30Testori
34:31he was the writer
34:32Catholic
34:33par excellence
34:34and Milanese
34:35par excellence
34:36so also his study
34:37on language
34:39Testori's language
34:40I'm asking you
34:40something narrower
34:42I mean I'm asking you
34:43what effect did it have on her?
34:44this meeting
34:45among Don Giussani
34:46and Testori
34:46This is what I ask you
34:47to me
34:48I found it perfectly
34:50logical
34:50It doesn't surprise me
34:52absolutely
34:53because in the end
34:54Testori
34:55he expressed despair
34:57for research
34:58of God
34:59he was screaming
35:00his anger
35:01his pain
35:02seeking God
35:04and then
35:05Giussani
35:05that instead
35:06as said before
35:07he proposes it
35:09it's obvious
35:09that the two
35:10were to confront each other
35:11among themselves
35:13here I ask it
35:14a little bit to everyone
35:14what effect did it have?
35:15This
35:15this meeting
35:16in quotation marks
35:17scandalous
35:18Excuse me
35:19it's not then
35:21just one meeting
35:23of temperaments
35:24for example
35:25there is a beautiful
35:28booklet
35:28small
35:29what is called
35:30the meaning of life
35:32and that's all
35:33note on paternity
35:35abortion
35:35etc.
35:36Where
35:37the meaning of birth
35:38the meaning of birth
35:39and it's a dialogue
35:40between
35:40God Giussani
35:42and Testori
35:42God Giussani
35:43and Testori
35:44they discuss
35:45And
35:47And
35:47and they meet
35:49eh
35:50Why
35:51they felt
35:53deeply
35:53the same things
35:54among other things
35:55eh
35:55Testori too
35:56he was a priest
35:57Tridentine
35:58in some ways
36:00he was a representative
36:01of this culture
36:02Lombard
36:03ancient
36:04somehow
36:05here it is tied
36:06And
36:07and where he fishes
36:07also certainly
36:09the strength
36:10by Giussani
36:11here I am though
36:12I would like to say
36:12Speaking of which
36:13of the small theater
36:14what does it have to do with it?
36:15and it has nothing to do with it
36:16but it was
36:16much talked about
36:18here
36:18which then
36:19all this
36:20pluralism
36:21and this one
36:22absolute
36:23freedom
36:24vastness
36:25eh
36:26of horizons
36:27evidently
36:28they were not alone
36:29the Gessini
36:30to contest it
36:31if then
36:31when he leaves
36:3268
36:33the first
36:34demonstration
36:36the first
36:36assault
36:38let's say so
36:39eh
36:39driven
36:40from the movement
36:41student
36:42of the state road
36:43he's heading
36:44on the small theater
36:45in Milan
36:45That
36:46That
36:46That
36:46That
36:47it is the symbol
36:48of an institution
36:49but
36:50I want to bring up
36:50Pilliteri
36:51Pilliteri
36:52the lady too
36:53Quaxi
36:53but who among us
36:55can't help but be grateful
36:56certain things
36:57by Paolo Grassi
36:58and the small theater
37:00not only
37:01if only for nothing else
37:02why they introduced
37:04a criterion
37:06strict
37:07Of
37:07of diffusion
37:08of culture
37:09Obviously
37:11it happened
37:12which then
37:12the little theater
37:14he was doing
37:15only
37:15a certain type
37:16of culture
37:16because there wasn't any
37:17another one
37:18let's tell each other things
37:18how are you
37:19what was there
37:19there wasn't any
37:21another one
37:21and or anyway
37:22if there was
37:22he didn't make himself heard
37:23but
37:24you must never
37:25forget
37:26That
37:27in the post-war period
37:28Christian democracy
37:29he decided
37:30to take care of
37:30of power
37:31of the entities
37:31etc.
37:32and left
37:33he subcontracted
37:34he contracted out
37:35on the left
37:36the culture
37:36Don Giussani
37:37he claimed
37:39these same things
37:39who said
37:40Piliteri
37:40Don Giussani
37:41formed
37:42of men
37:43what they would have done
37:44a culture
37:44able
37:45to interlocute
37:46with the other
37:47it didn't run out
37:49Certain
37:49in an analysis
37:50of the magagno
37:51of the merits
37:52of Christian democracy
37:53that Christian democracy
37:54had given up
37:55to culture
37:55it is not an obvious fact
37:56it wasn't a judgment
37:57there is a prejudicial
37:58which must be removed
37:59on the meeting with Testori
38:00why Don Giussani
38:01has always had
38:03there is no prejudice
38:05that selects
38:06the a priori meetings
38:07it's an opening
38:08of an enormous vastness
38:09this is the point
38:10Meaning what
38:10who confuses
38:13and he doesn't read
38:15in this position
38:16in reality
38:17today as then
38:18with a
38:19with a closure
38:21and he doesn't read
38:21Instead
38:22the vastness
38:22of meetings
38:23that are done
38:23now I want to quote
38:24Alone
38:25for example
38:25what originated
38:26this summer
38:27in Rimini
38:28the range of personalities
38:30that they meet
38:31directly or indirectly
38:32this reality
38:33it originated
38:34from one position
38:35that he placed
38:36in our country
38:37In short
38:38so Christianity
38:39how is he capable
38:39to meet everything
38:40she talks about openness
38:41let's see what happens
38:44Today
38:46at the thought
38:47And
38:48how to say
38:49to the proposal
38:50by Don Giussani
38:51in the world
38:52I met
38:53the movement
38:54in college
38:54of Cambridge
38:55in '86
38:57I had made friends
38:58with some boys
38:59because they had me
39:00hit two things
39:01of them
39:01the first
39:02is that they were
39:02happier than me
39:03and the second
39:04it was that they wanted
39:05the same happiness
39:06me too
39:08and the first time
39:09that I met
39:10Giussani
39:10he looked at me
39:11and he treated me
39:13as if I were
39:13the person
39:14most important
39:15for him
39:16the first time
39:18that I met
39:18Giussani
39:19it was in '88
39:20and the thing
39:22that impressed me
39:22more than all
39:23it's love
39:24who had
39:25towards Christ
39:26he made me understand
39:28that Christ
39:28it's not a set
39:30of rules
39:30it's not a feeling
39:32it's not an ideology
39:33it's not a religion
39:34but he is a person
39:35that brings you closer
39:36in all that
39:37What are you doing
39:40what he says
39:41Don Giussani
39:41his books
39:43anything
39:44it doesn't seem written
39:46in Europe
39:47it doesn't seem written
39:48with a European mentality
39:50Really
39:51his idea
39:52of church
39:53it also hits the mark
39:53with the situation
39:54of Japan
39:55it was 1983
40:00me and a friend of mine
40:01we were in a tough fight
40:02against the regime
40:03by Pinochet
40:04meeting
40:05Don Giussani
40:06we told him
40:06that our task
40:07it was fighting
40:08against power
40:09but he told us
40:10that before a fight
40:11against power
40:12it had to be
40:13the fight against this
40:14that tied us together
40:14our limits
40:15and then those
40:16of the structure
40:17some friends
40:18they brought
40:19Don Giussani
40:20at my house
40:21in my family
40:22he helped me
40:23to put myself as a person
40:24in front of everything
40:25besides teaching
40:27now I work together
40:28to my friends
40:29in the favelas
40:30we build orphanages
40:32for children
40:32that have nothing
40:33and we can give him
40:35a new life
40:38my first meeting
40:40with the movement
40:41it was when
40:42my girlfriend
40:43of then
40:43he invited me
40:44at a picnic
40:45with some of his friends
40:46together with them
40:48together with Luciano
40:49to Marco
40:50I started
40:51to compare
40:52every experience
40:53that I live
40:53to the words
40:54by Don Giussani
40:57I thought I knew Christ
40:59I had a doctorate
41:01I had studied theology
41:02I thought I knew him
41:04but only in one reality
41:06Viva
41:06present
41:07it is possible to do
41:08the experience
41:09who lived
41:10Jesus' disciples
41:11why a Christianity
41:13which does not pass through the flesh
41:15of a relationship
41:16with someone
41:17it's a Christianity
41:18in which Jesus
41:19it's just a name
41:20I will never have enough words
41:22to thank the Lord
41:24for making me meet
41:25Don Giussani
41:27I didn't know anything
41:28of communion and liberation
41:29my sister
41:30one morning
41:30he woke me up
41:31at eight o'clock
41:31and he told me
41:32I go to the praises
41:33with my friends
41:34you come too
41:35I answered him
41:36but you've gone crazy
41:38I'm on vacation
41:39and it's eight o'clock
41:40but by now I was awake
41:41and I went
41:42I saw there
41:43of the young people
41:44which in my opinion
41:45they prayed
41:45in a way
41:46very medieval
41:48but then
41:49when I had breakfast
41:50with them
41:50it struck me
41:51their humanity
41:52and sincerity
41:53that they had
41:54towards oneself
41:55it made me understand
41:56that was me
41:56not to be sincere
41:57with myself
41:59it took
42:00a long time
42:01to understand
42:02what was the message
42:03by Don Giussani
42:04when I came back
42:05in Australia
42:06one day
42:07Giussani
42:07he called me
42:09and it moved me a lot
42:10the great interest
42:11which he demonstrated for me
42:13and for my Australian friends
42:19Giussani's charisma
42:20for me what work
42:21with EDS patients
42:22he is one who comes
42:24and tells you
42:24don't cry
42:25because your life
42:26it is not defined
42:27from an illness
42:27from a bullet
42:28from your mother who is dying
42:29we went to look for
42:31these people
42:32I have listed
42:34a few countries
42:34Russia, Germany, Brazil
42:36Kenya, Uganda, Chile
42:37England, Spain
42:38Germany
42:39but there are definitely some
42:40others
42:40Australia for example
42:41Today
42:44the thought of Don Giussani
42:45travel to at least 74 countries
42:47us up to now
42:48we have too much
42:50discussed in Milan
42:51if you want
42:51of Italy
42:52but also precisely
42:53of a city situation
42:54that maybe
42:54also in Rome
42:55they got fed up
42:56to hear it
42:58somehow
42:58and to dig it up again
42:59as we did here
43:01a question
43:02very small
43:03to you who
43:05Perhaps
43:06between the distrust
43:07And
43:08how to say
43:09an interest
43:10but that
43:10it didn't become
43:11to follow
43:12Don Giussani
43:13what effect does it have?
43:13the idea that
43:14those things
43:15that Don Giussani
43:16he told you in class
43:17I am today
43:17object of attention
43:19from people
43:20so far away
43:21as a culture
43:22from Milan
43:23from Italy
43:24what effect does it have?
43:26because surely
43:27as it was read
43:28most times
43:29they were arguments
43:30fascinating
43:31but
43:31I really want to
43:32reiterate this thing
43:33what I was saying before
43:34in class
43:35at least for that one
43:36which was
43:36my experience
43:37he didn't try
43:38to convince
43:39Nobody
43:40he didn't speak
43:41of faith
43:41he didn't speak
43:42of religion
43:43posed problems
43:44and we discussed
43:45on the contingent
43:47he could speak
43:48by Leopardi
43:48or that
43:48what had happened
43:49the day before
43:49which helped us
43:51to open your head
43:52and to reason
43:54together with us
43:54so the index can happen
43:56also in other countries
43:56here though
43:57the other aspect
43:58on which instead
44:00the criticisms
44:01they are stronger
44:01it is the parallel aspect
44:03and that is that
44:04at the same time
44:05through
44:07student youth
44:09attracted
44:10the students
44:11with tools
44:12completely different
44:13for example
44:14football tournaments
44:15for example
44:17the trips
44:18in the mountains
44:18absolutely things
44:19positive
44:20shareable
44:21I don't see them
44:21as a tool
44:23negative
44:23but the way
44:25to attract young people
44:26it wasn't
44:26faith
44:27it wasn't the reasoning
44:28but it was the game
44:29it was the trip
44:31it was the fun
44:33to then move on
44:34to things that I
44:35I think it's more serious
44:35for example
44:36going low
44:37that Massimo Fini
44:38he criticized
44:38that for me
44:39it was very helpful
44:40even though it is not
44:41managed
44:41I didn't go twice
44:42I had respect
44:44to go low
44:45go low
44:45it meant
44:46go on a trip
44:47on Sunday
44:48in the countries
44:50poorer
44:51near Lodi
44:52of the suburbs
44:53of Milan
44:54I have to tell the truth
44:55that to me personally
44:56he made it clear
44:58poverty
44:59he made me try
45:00solidarity
45:01that then I
45:01I brought
45:02leaving the faith
45:04in another part
45:07but that
45:07Today
45:08and then we move on
45:10there is a sentence
45:11revealing
45:11one of those
45:13who intervened
45:14he says
45:15I wasn't happy
45:16I saw them happy
45:18and I saw
45:19not only that they were happy
45:20but what did they want?
45:21that I was happy
45:22like them
45:23and it seems like a sentence
45:24Extremely beautiful
45:25in this
45:26there is everything
45:26totalitarianism
45:27of evangelism
45:29and in reality
45:29all totalitarianism
45:30of the West
45:31what comes
45:32to Bush
45:33today
45:34to Afghanistan
45:34if I explain myself
45:35without entering
45:36in a radicality
45:38like this one
45:39but
45:39it seems to me
45:40that that
45:40what can you tell us?
45:41what we heard
45:43is that anyway
45:44Don Giussani
45:44he is a great educator
45:46a great modern educator
45:48they are declarations of love
45:49those though
45:50they were declarations of love
45:52they look like those
45:52what did she do
45:53yes exactly
45:54even though it is not a
45:56who followed Giussani
45:57this is the question
45:57of seduction
45:59of falling in love
45:59someone
46:00someone said
46:01someone
46:02wait
46:03we'll be back very soon
46:04but someone said
46:06that Don Giussani
46:07he is the Don Bosco of today
46:09let's hear who it is
46:11Don Giussani
46:12And
46:14a man
46:15out of the ordinary
46:17that is, I think
46:19that it is
46:19in a certain sense
46:22Don Bosco
46:23of our times
46:24that is, he's a genius
46:26of education
46:26of Christian education
46:28but of education
46:29And
46:30It also has the features
46:33In my opinion
46:34I'm sure
46:36that in the future
46:37they will be recognized
46:39of a great
46:40father
46:41of the Church
46:43in the sense
46:44noble of the word
46:46hundreds of thousands
46:47of people
46:48they found
46:50a possibility
46:51to follow
46:52enthusiastically
46:53Christ
46:54through him
46:54Therefore
46:55it's understandable
46:58that he is a man
47:00indomitable
47:01according to schemes
47:03of any
47:04type of nature
47:05but
47:05let's be clear
47:07I learned
47:08by Don Giussani
47:09a
47:09a respect
47:12and a sense
47:14and a passion
47:16a love
47:16for the large trunk
47:18institutional
47:18of the Church
47:19that I didn't learn
47:19from the other side
47:20precisely because
47:21he is a man
47:22absolutely free
47:23and unpredictable
47:24it really is
47:26deeply obedient
47:28and deeply innovative
47:29and this is
47:32own
47:34of all
47:36the greats
47:37geniuses of Christianity
47:40him
47:41he succeeded
47:42to put together
47:43girls and girls
47:44from all over the world
47:46in a difficult moment
47:47actually
47:49he was
47:49the alternative
47:50at 68
47:51he did 68
47:52inside the Church
47:56in a free way
47:58Here you are
47:59there's this beautiful thing
48:00That
48:00communion and liberation
48:01it's a free thing
48:02that he proposes
48:04not like
48:05sometimes
48:06dangerously
48:07others do it
48:07movements
48:08not like
48:10the only way
48:11of salvation
48:13or the way
48:14privileged
48:15but like a street
48:17that you can
48:18somehow
48:19hug
48:20I am old
48:21I don't know
48:23if the thing
48:24I'll see her
48:24but I don't doubt it
48:27absolutely
48:27that he
48:28having been
48:29a great witness
48:30Together
48:32religious and human
48:33of our time
48:34the day will be holy
48:35And
48:44At that time
48:46president
48:46coast
48:47and first
48:48the patriarch
48:50of Venice
48:51school
48:51I want
48:52but make people talk
48:54some people
48:55that they wanted
48:56then the professor
48:58Scabini
48:59in my opinion
48:59the beginnings
49:00they always have
49:01an aspect
49:03very important
49:04and auroral
49:05and if not
49:06we make up for it
49:08the beginnings
49:08it is not clear
49:09in my opinion
49:10a bit
49:10where it was born
49:11this whole story
49:12and from the beginning
49:14I would like to say this
49:15the key point
49:17it always seemed to me
49:18that Don Giussani
49:19he was placing
49:20some questions
49:22important
49:23to young people
49:24or to less young people
49:26considering them
49:27able
49:28to bear
49:29these questions
49:30and to venture out
49:32in research
49:33some answers
49:35all in all
49:36the experience
49:38that I
49:38I remember
49:39with more clarity
49:40is that I was treated
49:41as an adult
49:43it was a question
49:44of adults
49:45was treated
49:46as adults
49:47that is the challenge
49:48it was a challenge
49:50adult
49:51that could give
49:53even vertigo
49:54it was a challenge
49:55she agrees too
49:57it was an adult challenge
49:59and it was
50:00a talk
50:01to us
50:02as
50:04telling us
50:05as if he were reading us
50:07in
50:07what were the questions
50:08that we had
50:09the difficulties
50:11the uncertainties
50:12and he answered
50:14to this
50:14or at least
50:16I was pointing us out
50:17a road
50:17to answer
50:18This
50:19Here you are
50:19we miss it
50:21one last chapter
50:22Excuse me
50:24I would like
50:25to stop for a moment
50:27on this topic
50:28some questions
50:28because if we
50:30we don't understand
50:32and he emphasized it
50:34Before
50:34the Maiolo
50:35Before
50:37Giuliano Pisapia
50:39Before
50:39Piliteri
50:40etc.
50:40this is a key point
50:41in anthropology
50:43Giussaniana
50:44that is what it is
50:45said
50:46in quotation marks
50:46the theme
50:47of the religious sense
50:48that is the theme
50:50that the man
50:51it can't be
50:52Calm
50:53in front of
50:54to fate
50:55in front of
50:56to the perspective
50:57of life
50:57but why
50:59he feels the need
51:00to tell us again now
51:01after all that
51:02that came out
51:03Well yes
51:03because if you don't understand
51:05this anthropology
51:06it is not clear
51:06everything else
51:07he says that
51:07so far little has been understood
51:09he's saying this
51:10I want to go back to the moment
51:11to Leopardi
51:12why Don Giussani
51:13he had it in for the critics
51:15which then presented itself
51:17Leopards at school
51:18that he said
51:19the questions he asks himself
51:20Leopardi
51:21these are the questions
51:21that young people ask themselves
51:22then when you become an adult
51:23these things
51:24it is clear that they do not count
51:26but for us they mattered
51:27and Leopardi
51:28he was speaking seriously to us
51:30it's not true that
51:30Leopardi is atio
51:32why Leopardi
51:33it's full of questions
51:34also on
51:34the things he doesn't understand
51:36the mystery
51:37the word mystery
51:38it comes back continuously
51:39the concept of infinity
51:40it's not a thing
51:41what does it have to do with
51:42flows
51:43or I mean
51:43the infinite
51:44it seems like one thing to me
51:45that asks for an answer
51:47up to par
51:48the questions
51:49we all have them
51:50they are the answers
51:51that they change
51:51long live God
51:52but
51:52it's happening
51:53something new
51:54this something new
51:56is that
51:57at the center of the empire
52:00where
52:01things happen
52:02that count
52:03the thought
52:05by Giussani
52:06the plant
52:07that Don Giussani
52:07he planted
52:08here in Milan
52:09is developing
52:10in a way
52:11unpublished
52:12I am trying to say
52:13That
52:14Today
52:14New York
52:15the United States
52:16I'm for thinking
52:17by Don Giussani
52:18the new
52:19Berchè
52:19We see
52:23that day
52:24I entered a bookstore
52:25to look for a book
52:26by Martin Luther
52:27for the lessons
52:28that I had to keep
52:29to my class
52:30I went
52:31at Barnes & Nobles
52:32and close
52:33to the book
52:34by Luther
52:34there was
52:35a big black book
52:36titled
52:37the religious sense
52:39I took it
52:40and I said to myself
52:41the religious sense
52:42what will it be?
52:44then I opened
52:45the book
52:46and I started reading
52:47the object
52:48determines the method
52:49and I thought
52:50that's the one for me
52:51that's exactly it
52:52that I was looking for
52:56then one day
52:57my bishop
52:58he gave me
52:59a copy
52:59of the magazine
53:00Traces
53:01and since the name
53:02Communion and Liberation
53:03there was both in the magazine
53:05that on the book
53:05I looked carefully
53:07the magazine
53:07and on the back
53:08I found
53:09a telephone number
53:10from New York
53:10the number of such a
53:12Riro Blacksmith
53:13I called
53:14and I said
53:15Riro ready
53:16me and my friends
53:17we are reading
53:18the religious sense
53:19but we didn't quite understand
53:21what is meant here
53:22for freedom
53:23truth
53:24and other words
53:25he remained silent
53:26then he told me
53:27What?
53:28did you actually read the book?
53:29well we will go
53:30at university
53:31Nauday
53:31to make a presentation of it
53:33come there
53:33we meet
53:34and we went there
53:39we were in a parish
53:41in Sacramento
53:41California
53:42and Don Giussani
53:43he had come there
53:44in '87
53:44to hold a meeting
53:46with a small group
53:47of American Catholics
53:49by Don Giussani
53:50it struck me particularly
53:51his passion
53:52her vivacity
53:53and the capacity
53:54who had
53:55to communicate
53:55a great energy
53:56an energy
53:57that had fascinated me
53:58a lot then
53:59that I was a boy
54:00and which continues
54:01to fascinate me
54:02even now
54:06about 7-8 years ago
54:07Monsignor Angelo Scola
54:09he organized me
54:10a meeting
54:11with Don Giussani
54:12in Milan
54:12for lunch
54:13it was just the two of us
54:15and we were
54:16to speak
54:16for 4 and a half hours
54:18after that meeting
54:19I understand
54:20that everything would be
54:21changed
54:22in my life
54:24I remember that during
54:25the meeting
54:26Don Giussani
54:27it seemed strange to me
54:28then I thought
54:29I may not have said
54:30something bad
54:31and I asked him
54:32Don Giussani
54:33everything is fine?
54:34and he answered me
54:35yes yes
54:36it's just that I knew
54:37that you would arrive
54:39and I told him
54:40well sure
54:41Monsignor Scola
54:42he organized everything
54:43ninth
54:44he answered me
54:45it was the Madonna
54:47oh God
54:48I told myself
54:48what a strange thing
54:49what's happening
54:51and he told me
54:52who had prayed
54:54the Madonna
54:54to meet someone
54:56that could help him
54:57with the movement
54:58in the United States
55:02I met the movement
55:04six years later
55:05that I had converted
55:06to Christianity
55:07because I am
55:08of Jewish origins
55:10in that period
55:11I had a strong
55:12nervous breakdown
55:13and I went
55:14from a psychologist
55:15Catholic
55:16in New York
55:16and he
55:17seeing that I was
55:19crossing
55:19a very difficult period
55:21he told me
55:21I know it
55:22that of which
55:23you need
55:24you need
55:25of friends
55:26this intuition
55:27it seemed to me
55:27very fair
55:28then he told me
55:29that there was a group
55:30of people
55:30who met
55:31in the cathedral
55:32of St. Patrick
55:33why don't you go there
55:34You too
55:36then I went there
55:37and then we went out
55:38out to dinner
55:39in a Chinese restaurant
55:40on the West Side
55:41of Manhattan
55:41and from the way
55:42where we were together
55:43we talked
55:44we laughed
55:45I felt
55:46At home
55:47I felt
55:48totally myself
55:49and I said to myself
55:49this is my place
55:51this is my place
55:53a meeting like that
55:54what I did
55:55involved
55:55many other Americans
55:56when they read
55:57Don Giussani's books
55:59when they met
56:00some friends of CL
56:01they felt
56:02hugged in a way
56:03that made them feel free
56:04and being free
56:05it corresponds very well
56:06to being American
56:07if one is American
56:08and Jewish like me
56:09it is born with a meaning
56:10of the promise
56:11so deep
56:12and with a need
56:13so big
56:13of company
56:14which can find an answer
56:15only in something
56:16that gets inside you
56:17the difference of charisma
56:19by Don Giussani
56:20it's that it's something
56:20what's happening
56:21me alone
56:22I can't do it
56:23I don't have the strength
56:24to resist
56:24for example
56:25to a tragedy
56:26like that one
56:26of September 11
56:27in the face of a tragedy
56:28of the genre
56:29I can't be strong
56:30I can't make it up
56:31Christ
56:32Christ happens
56:33how it happened
56:34in the Via Crucis
56:35on the Brucli bridge
56:363,000 people
56:37they came with us
56:38they came with us
56:39to say
56:40that the only answer
56:41adequate
56:41to all this
56:42it's the cross
56:43and the resurrection
56:44of Christ
56:44and in hope
56:45that there may be
56:46an adequate response
56:47for people
56:48which have been
56:49most affected
56:49from this tragedy
56:50and that's one thing
56:52what happened
56:52it's a fact
56:53what happened
56:54for us
56:54in New York
56:57October 15th
56:59Father Luigi Giussani
57:00At that time
57:00we said at the beginning
57:02turns 80
57:03we searched
57:04to tell
57:05his educational method
57:07and the outcome
57:08of his thought
57:10not only
57:11in our country
57:12as we have seen
57:14whatever it is
57:15the future
57:16me for my part
57:17I wish you a happy birthday
57:18to Don Giussani
57:19for his 80th birthday
57:20and I think that
57:21that you too
57:22you do them
57:24At that time
57:25Thank you
57:35the objection
57:36it is not
57:36being old
57:38the objection
57:39is the being
57:40maple
57:42that is, young people
57:44in this case
57:45Christianity
57:47cleans up
57:48the misunderstanding
57:49that there is also
57:50in writing
57:50when the prophet
57:51he says
57:53take
57:54honor to God
57:55over time
57:55of ours
57:56youth
57:57before they come
57:58the sad years
57:59in which one says
58:00in which one says
58:02if it were never anything
58:05in Christianity
58:06Exactly
58:07I like
58:07the more one grows
58:08all the more so
58:08rejuvenates
58:09the more
58:10it makes you young
58:14and the taste
58:16of the truth
58:17and the dialogue
58:18of the truth
58:18in the last three years
58:20for me
58:20they were
58:21more
58:23dense
58:24That
58:25they were
58:27denser
58:27that not even
58:28the last ones
58:28thirty years
58:32it's right
58:34Why
58:35logically
58:35if
58:36a fruit
58:37mature
58:38becomes
58:38more and more
58:39himself
58:40And
58:44And
58:46And
58:46And
58:48And
58:57And
58:58And
58:58And
58:59And
59:01And
59:01And
59:03And
59:03And
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