00:04I'm joined by one of the seven AARP MPs of the Rajya Sabha who have switched over to the BJP.
00:12I'm joined by Vikramjit Singh Sani. Appreciate you joining us, Sani Saab. Thank you very much.
00:18I remember you from the days when you used to campaign for Dr. Manmohan Singh in the late 1990s.
00:25You were seen to be close to him and the Congress Party. Then you switched to the AARP, got Rajya
00:29Sabha.
00:30Now you become a BJP MP, merged your party with the BJP.
00:35How do you respond to those who will say, Ukta Suraj, you go with the rising sun.
00:40Where there is power, there is Vikramjit Singh Sani.
00:45No, no, no. It's not a question of power.
00:48Here we go, in this case we go by where the humanity or public at large and now in this
00:58case where the Punjab and Punjabis can benefit the more.
01:03You know that Punjab has been driven to a point of no return now.
01:07There is no crisis which is not there in Punjab from A to Z.
01:14From agrarian, crop diversification, water going down, debt crisis, the brain drain problem.
01:24You know, you name it and it is there.
01:27Trade and industry means n number of problems.
01:31And you know the bourgeoisie debt is touching 4.5 lakh crore.
01:35So it's not a question of rising sun.
01:37It's the, we want shining sun on Punjab.
01:42As it was before and bring back the glory of Punjab.
01:45You want shining sun on Punjab but you only woke up to this, Mr. Sani, with due regard.
01:50Sir, with due regard, all these problems you've listed out existed one year, two years, five years ago.
01:57You seem to have woken up to it only today.
02:00Suddenly you've realized that you want the shining sun in Punjab.
02:03I want an honest answer from you.
02:06What was the reason for you to join the BJP?
02:09What made you join the BJP?
02:12First of all, thank you.
02:15First of all, I'm not five years or something.
02:18I've just completed three years, whatever.
02:20And I was always raising issues of Punjab.
02:23But no, it was multiplicity of reasons.
02:27One was you have to see the political, this polit bureau which you call.
02:34I was not a member of this polit bureau.
02:38But look at the level, the Raghav Chadda and Sandeep Pathak and to some extent Swati Malewal.
02:47She was chairperson of Women's Commission.
02:50But these two gentlemen were responsible for getting the thumping majority of 94 MLAs in Punjab.
02:58I hope you will agree.
02:592022, you were there.
03:01I was watching from a distance.
03:04And we had joined because I met Raghav Chadda first time at the World Economic Forum where you used to
03:11go during your earlier times at Davos.
03:14And then somehow we clicked and then he said we want nice people and whatever, whatever.
03:19So that we took the Rajya Sabha seat.
03:25But now since these three core members were sidelined, they are saying that we are bad.
03:33So I was thinking that the people who are bad are bad, if you are bad, if you are bad,
03:43if you are bad, if you are bad, if you are bad, if you are bad, if you are bad.
03:47So before this, I should introspection them.
03:49These are our three pillars or two pillars.
03:53The pillar was the main foundation of Punjab.
03:58Now they have the sideline completed.
04:01The pillar was shunted out of Punjab.
04:04Sorry to say.
04:04And Sandeep Pathak, the people who are here, IIT came here, I mean, what do I do?
04:11I said, IIT, I will go to the IIT.
04:14So I have to do a sideline.
04:16So they have to think about introspection.
04:19They have done it the way the whole process has started.
04:27No, no, I accept.
04:28I appreciate what you are saying that they were sidelined.
04:31You claim and therefore they were feeling, they were feeling stifled.
04:35Raghav Chatta has said there was a toxic atmosphere in the Aam Admi Party.
04:39But what made you, someone who was not part of that Politburo also decide to leave?
04:44Is it because you are a businessman and you were under pressure?
04:48Ashok Miktas, the other businessman had an ED raid on him 14 days ago.
04:52Were you under pressure to switch sides?
04:54Why did you choose to leave?
04:56No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Rajdeep, I swear by God there was no pressure.
05:03First of all, first of all, I am not a businessman.
05:05I am just a sort of non-executive chairman.
05:08I am semi-retired.
05:10Now I am into social work and philanthropy.
05:12Having started my career as a bureaucrat, enough is enough.
05:16Now I just want to serve Punjab and whatever.
05:18Having said that, when these three nucleus, when the nucleus breaks, if the centrifugal force,
05:26they break away and then four of us also were somewhat dissatisfied, disillusioned, more
05:35with the governance in Punjab issues and this freebies atmosphere.
05:39We used to say, and we also say that you will not see any Punjabi or Sikh beggar, but we
05:48can not make Punjab a bikhari because they are all making dependent on the subsidies and
05:54all.
05:55Did you realize this only in the last few days that under Prime Minister Modi's leadership,
06:00there is self-respect.
06:01Why did you join the Amar P party then?
06:03Why did you join the Amar P party three years ago?
06:06Sir, if you feel that, why, no, I, I, first of all, first of all, I did not join any
06:13party nor yeh unki, unka bada pan tha, sun lije, unka bada pan tha, I am thankful to
06:19them, unhoney kabhi mere ko or or or loogun ko nahi bola party join karo, unhoney kaha hum
06:25aap jaysayi you are padmashiri, you are clean, chavi, a, b, c, d, aur hume aysayi
06:30admiyo ki zarurat thi, jab unhoney panch siten apni bharli thi, then two, two were left.
06:36Ab, jo, yeh sawaal hai.
06:38None of you paid for a ticket, right?
06:41None of you paid for your Rajasaba tickets, am I clear?
06:44Sani ji, none of you paid for your Rajasaba tickets because there were rumors that businessmen
06:48were paying for the Rajasaba ticket, you did not pay anyone for your Rajasaba ticket.
06:53But let's, sir, not, not, not even, not even a cup of tea, people believe it, mere
07:00ko dousaro ka ni pata, mere ko, mein apni baat kar sakta haun, dunke ki chot pe, kyunki, kyunki
07:06me, wiesayi itna, I'm spending, you know, I'm spending 6 crore, hume MPLD se milta
07:15hai, pichlè sal, mein ne about, ah, joh hai, nine, nine point two five crore, mein
07:21ne aapni jayb se Punjab mein laga ya, 15 crore, mein to jayb se Punjab pe lagata ho, to in
07:27loogho ko bhi tha bhi, hume credit mile ga ho, paisse, meri se kyun paisse, koi manga ga
07:31hai, or mein is chakkar mein, I'm, I'm out of this, to mein je kisun lijao, modi ji
07:36ne to merko brix mein dala, brix mein jatata tha, phir operation sundur mein bheja, lekin
07:41ab ham bhi, tho'day, ah, suffocated, frustrated thay ki, humari koi baat Punjab mein sun
07:47ni raha, lekin ham kertai kya, lekin ye abe eka opportunity, eka, eka, eka time hota
07:53na, there is a time of every idea to become a reality, ab jab ye teen logon ne thahan li,
07:59ke bhi, hum alag ho rhai hai, to phir hum chaar bhi milke saath ho gaye, aur hum
08:05ne socha, dekho, kyunki hum log politician, so did ragab chadda approach you, sani ji
08:10did, sani ji may understand, did, am I right that ragab chadda approached you, and that's
08:17how, nah, nah, he approached you, when, when was this, when did he approach you, how long
08:23ago, so no, we are day, nah, nah, we are daily, we are, we are daily going to parliament,
08:29roze baat hoti and we are friends, we were in Davos, we were in host of other thing, so
08:34he's a young, whatever, enterprising boy, so ab baat to roze hoti na, approach to usko
09:02kejriwal ji, he's a nice person, but manis sasodiyah ji, a good man, I am a good man,
09:09manis sara report deta raha, aur jis din ye baat puri aabhi gai, meinne ghar jaa ke socha,
09:16mein kejriwal ji, ne meire ko bulaya, sab ko bulaya, hunne wednes day 22nd ko, mein gheya,
09:21mein avoid nahi kiya, kyunki humare dil mein koin chor nahi hai, mein gheya, meinne ka,
09:26woh katea, ap pressure padega, ye padega, sir, bata yeh, you met kejriwal, you met kejriwal
09:32on 22nd, haan ji, you met kejriwal on 22nd, what did you tell him, you met kejriwal on 22nd,
09:39what did you tell him, haan, nahi, nahi, nahi, meinne, meinne, sir, he summoned me, he called
09:46me, Sandeep Paathak and Harbhajan Singh, alag-alag time pe, unho ne bola bai, aisa sunne mein aya
09:52hai ki, yeh pressure hai, yeh kuch chalra, mein ka, merese to abhi koji concrete baat kisi
09:57ne nahi ki, woh katea, will you come under pressure, merese ko to koji pressure hai,
10:01nahi, ham toh, I am a honest person, 35 years ka bedaak carrier hai, merese ko toh
10:06kuch, aisa hi baat hai nahi, aur, phir bole ki, agar pressure aaga ya, because woh
10:12khenne lagay, yaar, you are a soft person, and aap itna social, aapka toh social work
10:17karne ka interest hai, I know you are not into active politician, toh kya karo ge, katea,
10:22katea, resign karo ge, meinne ka, sahab, aap abhi bol roo, mein ko time dije,
10:26dhu, dhu, dhu, dhin ka, kiya, fir friday, mi lenge, abh, mein ghaar aya, mein sôchta
10:31raho wahi, kya karay, mein bhi, dharm sankat mein padh gaya, meinne bhi, socha, family
10:37se, salah ki, ki kya kiya jayai, phir, mereko kisi ne, ah, salah di ki, bhi, aapke
10:43resign karne se, ya na karne se, kya fark padega, wo dhu, fir, two-third, ya, pehle hi, unka,
10:53and then we had met H.M. sahab
10:57to him and then he told himself
11:00how he had his father
11:03and his father had his 40 days
11:06in Gubin Dham, Gurdwara and he said
11:10he said to him, I'm going to do it for Punjab
11:12but you will give up the people
11:29so you have given us an important news point
11:34you said, sir one minute
11:37right, you have given us an important news point
11:40that you met the home minister
11:42who assured you that he was keen on doing something for Punjab
11:46and you thought this was a good moment
11:48to also contribute
11:49can I ask you in conclusion
11:51are you completely comfortable with this decision
11:54are you completely comfortable with this decision
11:56will you sleep well at night
11:58your conscience is clean
12:00that you have broken away from a party
12:02and merged it into a party
12:04which was seen as an ideological opponent
12:10ideological
12:11ideological
12:12ideological
12:13ideological
12:14difference
12:14no
12:14ھمارا
12:16ہندو
12:16سکھوں کا
12:17نہوں
12:18ماس
12:18کا
12:18رشتہ ہے
12:19Punjab میں
12:19کبھی
12:20Punjab میں
12:20یہ کچھ
12:21fundamentalist
12:22to create a difference.
12:25There was a week before.
12:27How did the Khalsa become?
12:30There is a difference between Hindu.
12:32This is a difference.
12:34RSS has said one before.
12:38Six are a separate religion.
12:41This is a separate religion.
12:43This is not an ideological difference.
12:45We are thinking about Punjab's best way.
12:47That's the question.
12:50You have come to the question.
12:52You have to try to do one.
12:56When you have a bad day,
12:58you might have put it all over the past.
13:02You must say that you are not as well.
13:06You have brought it from Punjab and Delhi.
13:10You are listening.
13:14Listen to me.
13:15Sir, listen to me, Rajdeep Ji.
13:19Now some people have great knowledge of our government.
13:22I don't want to say anything.
13:25Okay, whatever you know, what is the governance, what is the performance, how many ransom calls
13:31come.
13:32You know better than me.
13:34They are bad.
13:35I am saying today that we are bad.
13:37They have put a gun.
13:40We are bad.
13:45We are bad.
13:46We are bad.
13:47We are bad.
13:47We are bad.
13:47We are bad.
13:48Okay, let's leave it there.
13:49Those are very strong words that you've given us, but you've given us an interesting explanation
13:53as to how you decided finally to take this big decision.
13:57As I said, I remember you, of course, from the 1990s.
14:01Thank you so much, Vikramjit Singh Sani, for joining me here on the show tonight and explaining
14:08your position.
14:08Thank you, Rajdeep Ji.
14:09Thank you very much.
14:09Thank you very much.
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