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00:00If you are a fan of The Curse of Oak Island,
00:02imagine being able to sit one-on-one with brothers
00:05Rick and Marty Lagina right before a new episode.
00:08Well, guess what?
00:09You can, because we're going to do that right now.
00:29Rick and Marty, thanks again for meeting me for another episode.
00:33I want to get into last week.
00:34I want to get into some of the stuff we're going to see this week.
00:36But I always like to start off with maybe something
00:38a little more personal.
00:39I always get asked questions by fans about you guys.
00:42And people kind of wonder what it's like for you
00:44being embedded on the island.
00:46I think people actually think you stay on the island.
00:49It feels like it sometimes. I'm sure it does to Rick.
00:52Where do you stay?
00:53I just stay off island at a rental house not very far off island,
00:58and so does Rick.
00:59So do I.
01:00And we talk about your relationship with the community,
01:02and you always say how pleasant it's been.
01:04Oh, great.
01:04You're here for a long time.
01:06You're almost part of the community now.
01:07Talk about that a little bit.
01:08The support you get, yeah, and I've remarked on it before,
01:12in the grocery store, you know.
01:13I go out to buy my groceries and, you know,
01:15inevitably two or three people will come up,
01:17and it's always so positive.
01:19We love the show.
01:20We can't wait for you guys to find it.
01:23You know, we want you to find it so badly.
01:25And, I mean, it's just really, really nice.
01:26Yeah.
01:27It's almost too much sometimes.
01:29You know, you feel like, you know, we're not doing anything really that special to have that kind of recognition.
01:37But we're certainly humbled by it.
01:39I mean, it's just, it's amazing.
01:42Yeah, it's funny.
01:42I talk to people, and there are Rick and Marty sightings in these communities.
01:46You know, like you guys are Bigfoot or something.
01:48Yeah, yeah.
01:49I saw them.
01:50I saw them coming out of the store.
01:51I saw them here.
01:52You know, I said, yeah, they're here.
01:53They are here.
01:53They don't sequester themselves on the island.
01:55There's no hotel on the island.
01:56You know, you guys are out in the community, and I think that's an important part of what you've done.
02:00And you've used people in this community to help with the search.
02:05I mean, where we're sitting right now, this interpretive center, there are people that come here from the community.
02:10There are people that are employed here from the community.
02:13I think that's really important to point out that you guys have done a lot.
02:16We wanted to leave a positive footprint, and I think we've come a long way towards doing that.
02:21Yeah.
02:21There's no doubt.
02:22In fact, the footprint here gets prettier and better and bigger every time I come back.
02:29And we're going to talk about that in a minute, a new building here, which we'll get to.
02:33Guys, how are we feeling this far into season six about seismic?
02:38It's yielded some targets, no doubt.
02:43Success so far?
02:44It's yielded targets.
02:46I mean, that is a success so far, but, you know, use whatever saying you want.
02:51The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
02:52The proof of the seismic will be in the drilling.
02:55It won't be in the drilling.
02:56The proof of the seismic will be in finding one thing.
02:59Well, there's an elephant in the room with the seismic.
03:02There's just potentially a huge chamber way away from the money pit.
03:06I mean, if that's real, it's just gigantic.
03:08So, like, the anomaly is this.
03:11We've got a hard reflector on top, hard reflector on the base.
03:14What's interesting is things are draping on top of it, so it is a competent structure, whatever it is.
03:20Is that consistent with a chamber, with a roof and a floor?
03:24Yeah, it is.
03:26Wow.
03:29Talk to me a little bit about the find that Dan made 40 years ago, this latrine, and help me
03:35explain why that could be significant in your modern-day searching.
03:39Well, I hate the name of that hole.
03:41I mean, it's just such an oddball thing, isn't it?
03:44Yeah, it is.
03:44But Dan put tremendous stock in it, and he's certainly not a sort of a shrinking violet, is he?
03:50I mean, he thinks he found a latrine.
03:53That's what he's going to call it.
03:54Dan doused a series of rooms in close proximity to this underground latrine.
04:01Curiously, though, the very first year, we entertained a drill program.
04:06The first hole that Dan, because Dan was in charge at that point of delineating where we go,
04:12he chose to put a hole between this room, these series of rooms, and the latrine.
04:19Very curious, at about 183 feet, we hit a void.
04:24But more importantly, we hit saltwater.
04:28And to Dan, that was huge.
04:30You have to understand that the latrine hole is uphill.
04:35Triton shaft is down below it.
04:37Right.
04:38The hole we drilled is on a straight line, about, I'd say, about 50 feet away.
04:45That's where we hit saltwater.
04:46And then the series of rooms extend outward from there.
04:50So Dan has formulated this idea of the underground there.
04:55And at first, it was just an idea he had.
04:59But then when he finds the latrine, he takes the stick, he swabs the drill string,
05:05and he tells Parker, I know what that is.
05:08That's human excrement.
05:10That's not the word he used.
05:12That's not the word he used.
05:13I can imagine.
05:14For something like that to be real, it would require a big chamber to house a lot of men.
05:20Right.
05:20To actually require an underground outhouse would require a big chamber.
05:27And then the seismic comes in and shoots out, at least they say, a possibility of a big chamber.
05:32So I mean, I have to suspend disbelief on that.
05:35That's just too wild.
05:36But it's certainly worth checking out.
05:40The data is there.
05:41It's hard to refute the data.
05:43It's showing an anomalous feature there.
05:44And finding something like that, what then?
05:48Oh, that would be so...
05:49You can't even go into conjecture after that.
05:52That would just turn the whole thing on its head.
05:54I mean, a big chamber underground at about 60 feet.
05:59It'd be easy to explore.
06:01Who knows what would be in it?
06:02I mean, it'd be like King Tut's tomb at that point.
06:06It'd change Oak Island, certainly.
06:09Yeah.
06:09So we're back to drill, drill, drill, drill.
06:13Got to.
06:13Right.
06:14And speaking of that, I mean, I know the 1795 story, the McGinnis story, the Money Pit,
06:19but when is the last known documented location of the Money Pit, if there is one, besides 1795?
06:26That's a great Charles question.
06:27No, that's 1861, the collapse of Shaft 6.
06:31They knew where it was then.
06:32They knew where it was then.
06:34So that story of the people hearing the collapse from that point on.
06:37They didn't hear it.
06:38They were down in the tunnel.
06:40They were running for, literally running for their lives.
06:42I can't imagine how they didn't get killed.
06:45You know, the hammer effect of 70 feet of seawater.
06:50I mean, letting go all at once is an enormous amount of energy, really.
06:56Terrifying.
06:56Terrifying.
06:57I can't believe they didn't get killed.
06:58That's why it reads so real.
07:01Yeah.
07:01There's a description, which I place great faith in.
07:05A fellow's running for his life, and he sees something, he sees something yellow
07:11in his peripheral vision, and he reaches down and he grabs for it.
07:16And it turns out it's the yellow painted top of a keg.
07:20Oh, yeah.
07:21And the old description of the drilling that came up with a little sample of oak painted yellow.
07:29And you wouldn't annotate that unless it was real.
07:33Because if you're trying to embellish what you had done, you would say, I reached for a bag of coins,
07:39or I reached for a gold bar, and I just missed it.
07:42Yeah, of course.
07:42He grabbed the top of a keg.
07:44It reads real to me.
07:46Yeah.
07:46Yeah, that's consistent throughout the 225 years, though.
07:50I mean, Dan Blankenship himself said, you know, pulls out that little piece of parchment.
07:54He says, look at how much money and effort and lives this little piece of parchment cost.
07:59Yeah, and I think you guys have put to bed any potential, I think, made up stories in terms of
08:04that.
08:05Because guess what?
08:07Years and years and years and years later, you've pulled out pieces of paper.
08:11Yeah, all kinds of stuff.
08:13So that, to me, gives credence to that.
08:15Well, the thing's not a hoax.
08:17Hoaxsters don't spend their lives messing around and die there.
08:21Hoaxsters take the money and run.
08:22Well, and generationally.
08:24Generationally.
08:25I mean, the same family.
08:26Might be misinterpreted, but it's not a hoax.
08:29Well, actually, speaking of misinterpreting and data and trying to analyze data and research,
08:34I want to talk to Doug Kroll again.
08:36Because we saw in last week's episode, he's got a new home.
08:39Him and Paul are going to do some great work in that research center.
08:41And I want to talk about how research is going to be used this season.
08:44So don't go anywhere.
08:45More with Rick and Marty as we go Inside the Dig.
08:58We're back and just minutes away from a brand new episode of The Curse of Oak Island.
09:02You know, one of the things I love most about the show is its wonderful mix between physical labor,
09:09hard work, actual work, and research.
09:12And nobody might embody that better than our next guest, Doug Kroll.
09:16Doug, the work you've done in your research has yielded results that are tangible.
09:22And you have a new home.
09:23And we saw that.
09:24Welcome to the island.
09:25Tell me about this research center.
09:26Yeah, thanks to these gentlemen, we have a research center here on the island now,
09:31which is really conducive to collaboration between Charles, Paul, and I, and many of our visitors.
09:39Let's have a look.
09:43Very nice.
09:44In fact, really nice.
09:45Oh.
09:47It'll be nicer when there's computers, maps, conference tables, monitors.
09:54I've always exposed the belief that we need a proper research center.
09:58If we all really want answers to the mystery, then we need to have a place where real research can
10:05be done.
10:05The deal is you've got to look to the past to move the search forward.
10:11And with this research center, we've had time to pool all of the information we have,
10:17and that's made for a much better data set.
10:19So when we look at researching things that are happening out back in the Money Pit area,
10:23like shaft six exploration, you know, we've got much more information to make correlations
10:29between this discovery and that discovery.
10:32And I like to think that we're helping in real time with the hunt.
10:35How does one become a researcher?
10:37Were you always reading history as a kid?
10:39Yeah, I mean, we grew up on books.
10:41We were reading all the time, and history just really grabbed me in high school, I think,
10:46and maybe due to some really good teachers that I had there.
10:50And lots of local history and stories about events that happened in the past, like the Mary Celeste,
10:56and that just instilled a real love of history in me.
11:00And so you start researching, you start reading books, and you start chasing the story of local events.
11:07I like to do research tips with Doug Crowell.
11:10Like, how do you avoid the glaze?
11:12Like, when I have to read things for Oak Island Preparation, like, I do okay for a while,
11:16but then I get the glaze.
11:17How do you fight through that?
11:18I think it's just a love for the topic.
11:20You know, it's history. It's a mystery.
11:23And, you know, I feel really privileged to have you allow me to contribute in some way here.
11:29I mean, this is a world-class mystery in my own backyard.
11:32How could you not stay interested?
11:34Doug, I'm going to put you in the spot as we wrap up here.
11:37Pick a theory. What's your theory?
11:39What are you going to find in that research center?
11:40What's the final answer here at Oak Island?
11:42I always say I don't have a theory, and that keeps my mind open to all the theories,
11:46because this is a treasure hunt, and you have to consider everything.
11:49You know, it's a different set of rules.
11:51If you were taking an academic bent on history, that's a different set of rules than treasure hunting.
11:56You have to have an open mind here, and you have to allow for what I think, Marty, you've said
12:01in the past,
12:01may be very improbable, but you've got to allow that maybe it's possible,
12:05and you work to rule it out.
12:07You parse the fiction from the fact.
12:09Great, Dodge. I think we're going to go IT and research at a politician with you.
12:14I was going to say, yeah, but...
12:16Well, I do really favor the idea that it's a French treasure
12:21that many different people have become aware of for different reasons
12:25and have chased it all these years.
12:27French, you say? Well, you just accidentally segued into our next segment,
12:30so thanks, Doug. Great work.
12:32French finds. I wonder who could be responsible for something like that.
12:35You asked for them, you got them. It's Gary, coming up next.
12:48He's the master of metal, the Duke of Detecting, the metal-detecting ninja himself,
12:54and my mate, Gary Drayton. Hi, Gary.
12:57How you doing, mate? Thanks for being here, man.
13:00Boy, the fines just keep coming with you, and last week it was no different.
13:05Talk about that fine with Jack. Lot 21?
13:07Yeah. We started referring to Lot 21 as the giving lot,
13:12because we got the Bobby Dazzler, and we're still finding good stuff.
13:24Oh, it is! Yes!
13:26Oh, man, look at that. I could...
13:29Before I move, I could see the fleur-de-lis. This is...
13:33That is definitely... Let's see if it fits on there.
13:37It does. Perfect.
13:39It's definitely a fit.
13:42Like a glove.
13:45Wow, look at that design on there.
13:48They look like fleur-de-lis, but very, very similar.
13:52That's a French design.
13:54This would date to the 1700s.
13:57French military, baby.
13:59Yeah.
14:00What were your first initial impressions when you saw it?
14:02The first impressions was finally found a definite French artifact.
14:08Let me interrupt you for one second. Why finally?
14:10Were you looking... Were you thinking French?
14:13No, we found lots of British stuff.
14:16There has been some Spanish finds found on the island,
14:20but not a lot of French stuff, not that I've heard of.
14:24And around the beach on Lot 21, we've pulled up loads of musket balls.
14:31That's an area where the majority of musket balls have come from.
14:36So it was nice to pull out a...
14:40Not a coin, not a button, not a buckle, but an actual piece of a French military uniform.
14:47Unbelievable.
14:48I almost get frustrated.
14:49He gets excited.
14:50I almost get frustrated, because it's like you said.
14:52We found a little Spanish.
14:54We found a little, you know, British military.
14:56We found now Templar possibility.
14:58And now, throw the French in, why don't you?
15:00It's maddening in a way.
15:02Yeah, what's this guy up to?
15:03Yeah, what are you doing, Gary?
15:04How could the French, could the French tie into the Templar theory?
15:08Of course they could.
15:10I mean, the Knights Templar, they were French, English, Spanish.
15:15You've got that Templar connection with the French in this area.
15:19The ships that vanished came out of a French port, right?
15:22Yeah.
15:22The Templar treasure, yeah.
15:24I mean, the French military, I think it was 1747,
15:29the Duke d'Anvil brought over a big fleet.
15:32It was the biggest fleet of the time, 90 ships,
15:35to do some argy-bargy with the British,
15:37because we'd taken Arcadia.
15:40But what happened to those ships?
15:42Wait, they're going to do what with the British?
15:43A bit of argy-bargy.
15:45Okay.
15:46Could you define that one?
15:47I think that's a technical term.
15:49It's like fisticuffs.
15:50It's the same as fisticuffs.
15:51Got it.
15:52But a lot of that fleet that came over got destroyed.
15:57I mean, a lot of them got wrecked.
15:58They were ravaged by disease.
16:00And so very few made it to these shores.
16:05And I'm thinking that if you make it here,
16:09you've got a lot of money to pay all these sailors,
16:15maybe you're going to stash it on Oak Island.
16:17It's the safest thing to do.
16:19Stash it here and make your way back to France.
16:23It's virtually undeniable at this point, almost,
16:26that there were a lot of military people here.
16:28Seems like it, yes.
16:30Right?
16:30I think that is getting close to undeniable, yeah.
16:33Now, does that tell us that those people, in your estimation,
16:36were here because they were depositing something
16:38or maybe looking for something?
16:40Well, that's the problem, isn't it?
16:42That's the problem.
16:42That is the key question.
16:44Well, Gary, I almost hate to have you on these interviews.
16:47In a way, I love it, but I almost hate it
16:49because I just want you out there constantly going
16:51because every time you go, you find something.
16:53And then when you talk about the fines, I want to get back out there.
16:56Right.
16:56And I would love to put a challenge to the fans out there.
16:58I think we need a glossary of Gary terms.
17:02Absolutely.
17:02Add argy-bargy to the new term.
17:04Yeah, argy-bargy.
17:04That was a new one on me tonight.
17:06Gary, thank you.
17:07You're awesome.
17:07You're welcome, man.
17:07You're awesome.
17:08And speaking of Gary, we are just minutes away
17:11from the brand new episode, and I did get a little sneak peek at it,
17:15and I saw an item that Gary is very closely related to.
17:21More on that with the brothers Rick and Marty Lagina when we return.
17:33We are just moments away from a stunning new episode of The Curse of Oak Island.
17:38But before that, final thoughts with brothers Rick and Marty Lagina.
17:42So let's get to the nitty-gritty in the Money Pit.
17:45You are sonic drilling now, trying to find that Shaft 6.
17:49But I mean, there's been so many works there in the Dunfield era.
17:53It's a mess down there in the Money Pit.
17:55How can the sonic drilling help you find Shaft 6
17:58and paint a picture down there?
18:00Well, the sonic drilling is just another method of sampling.
18:05It allows you to take a continuous core, kind of in a bag,
18:09and so you know exactly what you've cut through it.
18:12So let's look at this with much interest.
18:16Keep your eyes peeled, guys.
18:22Uh-oh, that's wood.
18:28Is that horizontal?
18:30You know, it came this way, so.
18:31It's 45-ish.
18:32I think we're right on target for that tunnel.
18:35I think we're right in the general area.
18:38It's a sampling device.
18:39Instead of, you know, putting down a big casing everywhere,
18:42which is crazy expensive, you can pound these things out pretty quick.
18:48Marty, I'm always trying to gauge your level of where you're at
18:54and the Money Pit you've been drilling for a while now
18:57and where your tipping point might be to kind of say, all right.
19:00The exploration drilling, you mean.
19:01Yes.
19:02The sampling.
19:02Correct.
19:03Sampling.
19:04Where might you say, all right, it's time to move on to a different area?
19:08Well, I would probably tend to say it's time to dig.
19:10It's time to actually dig because it's very analogous to oil and gas exploration.
19:14You can run seismic.
19:16You know, the people who analyze seismic will always ask for more seismic.
19:20You know, if you want to take cores and you want to look at cores,
19:24the people who look at cores will always ask for more cores.
19:26But at some point, you have to say, my gosh, we've got to drill well here
19:30and either hit something or quit, you know.
19:32You've heard me say it before, analysis paralysis.
19:35Yeah.
19:35It's real.
19:37So at some point, I would just tend to say, look, guys, let's have a war room.
19:42Let's pick some spots.
19:43Let's dig.
19:44Who calls war rooms?
19:46Everybody.
19:47Everybody.
19:47If you have a concern or want to entertain a discussion among the group,
19:51you just say, look, I want to have a discussion in a war room.
19:54It's that simple.
19:55I want to have a drilling down war room.
19:57I just called one.
19:58Okay, fine.
19:59All right, cool.
19:59See?
20:00You know, you're smart.
20:01You're a quick study.
20:02Anybody can do it.
20:03You just did.
20:03Anybody except the TV guy.
20:05Damn.
20:06Share it if you'd like.
20:08I want to throw a little curveball at you.
20:10I think we've done five of these things or so.
20:12I want to play one of my little games I haven't done with you yet.
20:15Oh, yeah.
20:15Time for a game.
20:15I've done something similar with this kind of a word association thing.
20:20But I want you, this is going to be a tough one.
20:22It's not going to be easy.
20:23All right.
20:25Season six, thus far, one word that comes to mind.
20:29Thus far in season six.
20:31First thing that comes to your mind.
20:33One word?
20:34Yeah.
20:34Can I have two?
20:35You can have two.
20:45I got to have six.
20:46Go for it.
20:47The cross reveals some amazing things.
20:51Rick?
20:52Well, I'll settle for that.
20:54All right.
20:55I'm not even going to come up with something.
20:56Yeah, I used three of his words, you see?
20:58So it's three each.
20:58So the cross.
20:59So I did see a little tease and they did show an image of the cross.
21:03We're going to learn more tonight?
21:05Pretty amazing stuff.
21:05No question about it.
21:06All right.
21:07I'm not even going to come up with a clever throw right now.
21:09Let's just get to the episode.
21:10It's time for an all new episode of The Curse of Oak Island.
21:13The cross speaks now.
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