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00:01Last week's season six premiere of The Curse of Oak Island was incredible.
00:06And we're only about a half hour away from episode two.
00:10And I'm here tonight to go inside the dig with brothers Rick and Marty Lagina.
00:15So first of all, thank you for doing this.
00:17No problem, Matty.
00:18Let's do it.
00:19All right, let's do it.
00:37So much to get through in this two-hour season premiere.
00:41Before we get into the specifics of it, I want to talk about the broader picture.
00:46This is a season, clearly, that has big plans.
00:50Are we going to see big results?
00:52Well, what do you expect us to say to that, Matty?
00:55Hopefully, yeah.
00:56We are going to do big things this year.
00:58Our full intent is to do big things this year.
01:00You know, we've been out here working on this island and kind of gradually upping the ante every season.
01:07And my intent, and I know Rick's, we look at things slightly differently, but my intent is to get this
01:14done.
01:15You know, figure out what's here.
01:17Figure out the puzzle.
01:17Figure out what isn't here.
01:19And so, yeah, to that end, we're going to unleash some resources.
01:22I round back to this, and this is my mantra, Marty's as well.
01:27This is a real mystery, and we're trying to apply real science with real professionals to try to come to
01:34an understanding of what this is.
01:36Big, huge plans.
01:37Every year, it's bigger and badder, as I said last year.
01:40It's certainly the most aggressive search agenda we've ever had.
01:43That's incredible.
01:44And you guys have been successful to date, every year finding more.
01:49I'm wondering, just personally, what's it like six years in?
01:53Did you think it would be going on this long, first of all?
01:57You know, I know.
01:58No, we didn't.
02:00We didn't.
02:00I thought that we'd get to the bottom of this in maybe a couple years.
02:05It proved to be a harder nut.
02:07Absolutely.
02:08A harder acorn than we realized.
02:10I mean, you know, it was a bit of hubris, I suppose.
02:12We'll have this thing uncorked in no time.
02:15Uncorked, or we'll certainly crack the nut.
02:17Yeah.
02:18As you say at the beginning of this episode, the very first scene, you guys are in the car together.
02:22And you say, you mentioned putting those puzzle pieces together.
02:26Yeah.
02:27How are you feeling about this year?
02:29Boy, we certainly have a box full of puzzle pieces.
02:32Yeah.
02:33And it's about time we step up to the plate and start putting the puzzle pieces together.
02:37Yeah.
02:38Okay, so where's your belief that something happened on Oak Island, scale of one to ten?
02:42I'd say I am 70% convinced that something very, very out of the ordinary occurred on Oak Island.
02:51That's a long way.
02:52From where you started, yes.
02:55For a long time, I thought nothing happened here except a bunch of searchers.
02:58Then I kind of moved the dial at, yeah, I think maybe something did, and I'm getting close on that.
03:03That's a high percentage from where you started.
03:06Yeah, I think so, yes, I think so, yeah.
03:08Exponentially higher.
03:09Yeah, Rick, you've seen the change.
03:11I started from damn near zero, so, yeah.
03:12Started at zero.
03:13Rick, you've seen the change, your brother.
03:14Oh, absolutely.
03:15Talk about that.
03:16You know, it's heartwarming, certainly.
03:19We started at certainly different levels in terms of our belief systems and our understanding of the island and what
03:29had transpired over 220, 213 years at the time.
03:34It seems like time has flown away, and to see him matriculate, if you will, in terms of his belief
03:42is gratifying, you know.
03:43But, you know, talk about a tough acorn to crack.
03:48He's a tough acorn to crack because he's all about science.
03:51He's hard data, and, you know, he wants to know.
03:54Yeah.
03:55So it's not about me doing anything.
03:57He's quite analytical, and he looks at things and studies them and then comes to an understanding within his own
04:05mind of what's what.
04:06But he's quite open to listening to everyone on the team.
04:10He actually gives me a little bit too much credit there.
04:12I mean, I'm emotional as well, and I, you know, I, look, on any given day, you asked me on
04:16the causeway that day, and it was 70%, you know.
04:19I mean, maybe three days later, after being tired of slogging around in the mud, it went back to 30,
04:23you know.
04:23It's just the way things go, right?
04:25Does it slide day to day?
04:27I mean, you guys?
04:28Absolutely.
04:29There are times when I get out here, I am so discouraged.
04:31No, yeah, not him.
04:33With me, yes.
04:33Well, you get discouraged fine, and you say not him, but I...
04:37He gets discouraged.
04:38I know that you do, too, because I've seen you...
04:40Oh, sure, you know, when you...
04:42But his conviction doesn't waver.
04:44Exactly.
04:44Key point.
04:45Here's another thing, too, okay?
04:47You're talking about the first episode, and yeah, I come across the causeway, and I'm saying, yes, something happened here.
04:51I just had the winter to think about it, and something happened here.
04:54Don't know if there's any treasure, don't know what it is or anything.
04:57But remember, we have a lot of data to reveal this year.
05:02We've got a lot of exploration.
05:03That number could go up, but it could go down.
05:05Speaking of the production, fans always want to know behind-the-scenes stuff.
05:08I was watching you guys in this episode, and I'm thinking, do you guys watch the show?
05:12I do.
05:12I don't know about Rick.
05:13I don't.
05:14You don't at all, and you do.
05:16Yeah, I do.
05:17My wife likes to watch it, so I watch it with me.
05:18What do you feel like when you're watching it?
05:20Are you uncomfortable?
05:20Do you enjoy it?
05:21You know, after six years, I'm not uncomfortable anymore.
05:24You know, it's like you look at yourself and think, oh, my God.
05:28You know, what did I say to America?
05:29What was I thinking?
05:30You know, but once you get over the unbelievable part that what on earth am I doing on this
05:36TV thing at all, it comes down to, you know, sort of like foisting your home movies on the
05:43nation.
05:43I mean, it's kind of what it feels like.
05:45It's captured the imagination of the world, actually.
05:48And Rick, we've got to get you to start watching some episodes, brother.
05:51They're good.
05:51They're very well done.
05:52Growing up, we watched ourselves enough on Uncle Pete's Home Movies.
05:56Uncle Pete's Home Movies.
05:58Uncle Pete's Home Movies.
05:58Fantastic.
05:59I had my film being on film.
06:03Welcome back.
06:04And get ready to have a blast, Acorns, because we're going seismic with Rick and Marty, and
06:09joining us, Craig Tester.
06:11Craig, welcome.
06:12Hello.
06:13So great to have you here.
06:14By the way, before we get into science-y stuff, I just want to say-
06:17Science-y stuff.
06:18I have dubbed Craig Tester the sneaky, funniest person on the island.
06:24Craig, I think it's important for fans to know how much camaraderie there is, you know,
06:27behind the scenes.
06:28And you are one of the funniest guys I've ever met.
06:30And what makes you so funny is you don't always expect it from you.
06:33I appreciate that.
06:34But you're right.
06:35I mean, when you're working hard in the group, you've got to have laughs.
06:39And so we crack each other up quite often.
06:42Craig will often, with one sentence, reveal the absurdity of the situation, you know?
06:47I mean, just one that's like, oh, yeah, you're right.
06:48That's ridiculous.
06:49Not even a sentence.
06:50Yeah.
06:50A couple words.
06:51A couple words and a look.
06:52And Craig, you were very instrumental, I know, in one of the most exciting moments of
06:58the season six premiere, and that is this seismic testing.
07:03Well, what we want to do is start off with the test line, right up in through here.
07:07That's the test line.
07:09We know there's a tunnel you're going to cross here.
07:11The Halifax Tunnel.
07:12So that's going to be the test, right?
07:14To see whether, yeah.
07:16Whose idea was seismic?
07:18I think the biggest push this year was Rick was pushing it.
07:22Ready to go?
07:24Roger.
07:25Here it comes.
07:27You know, Marty and I use it all the time in oil and gas exploration.
07:31You know, we want to run it, but it's expensive, and there's risk.
07:34And, you know, this year, Rick was really pushing early on to take a good hard look at it.
07:40There's no more guesswork.
07:42You guys are actually going to give us a playbook, and that's pretty cool.
07:48And so I'd say Rick was one that was behind him.
07:51And plus, we didn't think it would work, Craig.
07:53I mean, truthfully, we didn't think it would work, because seismic has been developed for
07:56deep, looking deep.
07:57And we're trying to look real shallow here.
07:59Between, you know, five and 150 feet would be very, very shallow for seismic.
08:05Yeah.
08:05And Rick was, he's been seen for years.
08:08Why don't you guys run seismic?
08:09Eh, it won't work.
08:10You know, but then when Craig looked into it, he found out that the technology is changing,
08:14and maybe it will work.
08:16I wish I could be there and see your faces, because it's quite an impressive image that
08:20has been created here.
08:21I have an area circled in a little yellow circle, and I refer to that as a bus full shaft.
08:28It's at a depth between about 90 feet and 120 feet or so.
08:33That's the Halifax tunnel.
08:36So it would seem.
08:37Yeah.
08:37This is groundbreaking.
08:39You're going to do something that's never been done on this island.
08:42You're changing lives here, and that's pretty remarkable.
08:45Again, I get choked up.
08:47I say thank you.
08:51What made you think it would work?
08:52Really, it comes from Marty.
08:54I mean, we're trying to put excess through things.
08:57Well, and our mantra has always been, I don't want to leave with regrets.
09:01I don't want to look back and say, you know what?
09:04If only we had tried that.
09:06And I knew their expertise in the arena.
09:09And so I thought, let's just try it and see if it works.
09:12Yeah, and I'll tell you what else occurs to me.
09:14Just now sitting here, I think we were more amenable to seismic, because some of the things
09:18we came in swinging hadn't worked.
09:22Resistivity lines had not worked, for reasons that we didn't understand before, but kind
09:25of do now.
09:26GPR hadn't worked.
09:28And Rick had been pushing seismic for a long time.
09:30I would say it was one of those cases where Craig and I were too smart, you know, but
09:36we weren't really.
09:36He was smarter.
09:37And because the technology had evolved, then Craig, tell how it evolved.
09:42You started looking around and found Eagle Canada, right?
09:45Right.
09:45Eagle Canada, they were very eager.
09:48They had a number of different techniques that sounded very good to me.
09:53And they did a lot of work before we signed up with them to show that they could do the
09:59work.
09:59And...
10:00Well, and we went for a test.
10:02I mean, what I've always told my kids is, let's do an experiment.
10:04The test.
10:05And we did an experiment.
10:06That was brilliant.
10:07You know, how relieved were you in a sense that that test, because if that test had not
10:12revealed that trench, you might have just scrapped the whole thing, right?
10:16Sure.
10:17Well, I can't wait to see what that technology might turn up.
10:21Not the first time that a technology is used in a different way applied to treasure hunting
10:26on the show.
10:27We've seen it before.
10:27So hopefully this one pays off.
10:31We're back.
10:32Brothers Rick and Marty Lagina some time ago brought a man to the island from England by
10:37way of Florida.
10:38And ever since he stepped foot on this island, the treasure hunt changed.
10:42Of course, I'm talking about the metal detecting ninja himself, Gary Drayton.
10:46Gary, welcome.
10:47How you doing, mate?
10:48Well, first of all, let me say this.
10:50Earlier, I awarded Craig Tester the sneaky funny award.
10:53You're probably the most overtly funny on the island.
10:56You just crack everybody up all day long.
10:58I am a bit of a jokester.
11:00Yeah, a little bit.
11:01You've given us a whole new language and a whole new vernacular, Bobby Dazzler, and many
11:06more.
11:06Before I broach the subject of what I want to talk about, thank you, what's it like metal
11:13detecting on Oak Island compared to anywhere else you've been in the world?
11:17It's actually supposed to be different.
11:20I mean, I've metal detected all over the world, and I don't expect to find the stuff on Oak
11:27Island that I find in places like Europe and the Caribbean.
11:32It's crazy.
11:33And we've talked in the past about your hesitation to, when you see, like, the cross, to date
11:38it because you're in shock, basically.
11:39This thing can't be here.
11:41It's kind of weird finding stuff on Oak Island and knowing what it is because you've recovered
11:47it in Europe.
11:48That's the strangest thing.
11:49Yeah.
11:50Gary, besides the finds, how has your life changed since you've been involved with this?
11:56For the better, because I get to cross that causeway every time I come to Oak Island, and
12:04it's the stuff of dreams.
12:05I mean, I could recover a potential history-making find every time I cross the causeway.
12:14I mean, that's brilliant.
12:15Plus, I get to hang out with these guys all day long.
12:18Yeah, you guys have fun.
12:19Yeah.
12:19You appreciate it every time you cross over.
12:21Oh, yeah.
12:22This brooch.
12:24Tell me about this Bobby Dazzler.
12:27Top pocket find, right off the bat.
12:29What do we know about this so far?
12:31Well, you say right off the bat.
12:34I mean, it's not like we go around and we find Bobby Dazzlers, you know, every five minutes.
12:39I remember when we found this brooch, and it was a typical Oak Island metal detecting adventure.
12:50Well, this is 21, and we've never been in here before.
12:52Let's see what we find.
12:54Right.
12:54Let's go, lucky digger.
12:56Let's go.
13:03Rick and I, let's be honest, we was getting despondent.
13:06We were digging a lot of trash.
13:10That's a fence cap.
13:11Not what we're looking for.
13:13Nope.
13:13And that's the thing, to find treasure, you have to dig a heck of a lot of trash.
13:18Oh, come on, just one more nice little signal around here.
13:22What we need to do is just circle this area a couple times.
13:26What you want to do is you want to pull a Bobby Dazzler every time, right?
13:30Just like Jerry said, but you don't.
13:32I think that's a great point, and again, great for the fans to realize
13:38that behind the scenes, there are hours and hours of you guys working with no result.
13:46Let's be honest, a lot of disappointments.
13:48Yeah.
13:48And that's what makes these Bobby Dazzlers such great finds, because of all the disappointments
13:55that come before them.
13:56And Rick, how worth it are those hours when something like that is pulled?
14:00You can't put words to it, but even what Gary said, you know, there were hours that we
14:06had dedicated to it.
14:07We hadn't found anything.
14:08But spending the time with them, and Marty has spent time with Gary too, you kind of learn
14:12a little bit, and Gary goes a lot on audibles.
14:20Well, that doesn't sound too bad.
14:26It's just there.
14:27The machine will go off, and you ride the roller coaster at that point, because you're
14:32thinking, now that's a good one.
14:33So you're already preconditioning yourself to make a really good find.
14:37Right.
14:37And then what happens?
14:38Yeah.
14:39I've seen the change in these guys.
14:40Oh, that sounds good.
14:42Yeah.
14:42We know the sounds now.
14:47You never, ever know what's going to come out of your next hole.
14:53What do I always say?
14:55Just win, baby.
14:56Change your whole day.
15:01Oh, my gosh.
15:03It's another Bobby Dazzler.
15:05Look.
15:07I did notice when that brooch was pulled, both your voices raise five octaves.
15:13And I wrote a note as I was watching, and I'm like, little kids.
15:16We all become little kids again.
15:17Absolutely.
15:18And it's that jewel.
15:19It's that Bobby Dazzler that I talk about.
15:22When you see that jewel in that ornate surrounding, I mean, it's fantastic.
15:30And you're the first person to see that in, not giving too much away, but centuries.
15:37That's a stone.
15:38It's a brooch.
15:39That's a bloody brooch.
15:41Look at that.
15:42That's a gem.
15:43Feel, feel.
15:44We did it again.
15:46It's beautiful.
15:48That is unbelievable.
15:50The brooch brothers are back.
15:52Looky diggers.
15:54Well, you know what?
15:55Top pocket find.
15:56Top pocket find.
16:00Gary, you've been pretty right on with your predictions on how old things are.
16:04We don't know a lot about it, but what's your gut?
16:07How special is this Bobby Dazzler?
16:08This goes along with other recoveries on this side of the island that we can't really talk
16:14about at the moment, but this is a special find.
16:18I mean, guys, it's treasure on Oak Island, right?
16:21Without question.
16:22No question about it.
16:23Gary, you've been just a spark on this island since you've started working with your metal
16:30detector.
16:30And it's just the finds increase, and I can't wait to see what you come up with next.
16:35You ain't seen nothing yet.
16:36We're in the interpretive center, and we're going to need some more showcases before we're
16:41finished.
16:42Gotta love that.
16:43Amazing work, my brother.
16:44Thanks, mate.
16:47We are just minutes away, Acorns, from the second episode of season six of The Curse of
16:54Oak Island, and we're going to get some final thoughts from my pals Rick and Marty Lagina.
16:59Guys, the cross.
17:01I have rarely been as emotionally invested in something in my life as I was with the
17:08results of that cross.
17:10Talk about the testing itself, this laser ablation.
17:13Fascinating technology.
17:14Had you guys been aware of that?
17:15No.
17:16And it drills basically a laser, makes small little microscopic holes in it, and then walk
17:22me through that process.
17:23The concept is that lead comes in a lot of different isotopes.
17:27And then compare the isotopes in your sample to different leads mined in different parts
17:33of the world.
17:33But they have to have a database to compare it.
17:36This is looking good.
17:37There you go.
17:38So the cross is not obviously related to North America.
17:53So there's nothing in North America that compares to that?
17:56Yeah, North American-wise.
17:58That's great news, though.
18:00Yeah.
18:02The fact that it came out as not from North America to me was such a relief.
18:07Because I've invested so much in that cross.
18:09I know you guys have, too.
18:10Yeah.
18:11Did you guys feel that same relief?
18:12Yes.
18:13I mean, we're looking for things that are extraordinary.
18:16And, you know, sort of a mundane origin for that cross would have been a disappointment.
18:20Disappointment.
18:20Yeah.
18:21Yeah, absolutely.
18:22And it was not a disappointment.
18:24It's quite interesting not from North America.
18:26Mostly my mind rounded back to the smile on Gary's face when he pulled it out of the dirt.
18:31Brought me back to that moment.
18:33And everything about this place is about shared experience, right?
18:37Yeah.
18:37And so that's where my mind went, that Gary was right.
18:41Again.
18:41And it doesn't check off all the boxes.
18:44No.
18:45We still don't know a lot, but it checks off a huge box.
18:47Yeah, I think the cross isn't done telling you things.
18:50That's all I'm going to get, isn't it?
18:51Yeah, that's all you're going to get.
18:53Hope is still alive for the cross.
18:55More than that, I'd say.
18:56More than a lot.
18:58But just because it's not from here, we still need to know more.
19:02There's more to know.
19:03That doesn't speak to age, for example, right?
19:07Not yet.
19:10So moving forward in this episode that we're about to go to now, we might learn more.
19:15Oh, I think unqualified, yes.
19:17The cross has more things to say.
19:18What strikes me is we already saw the effects, in a way, of how powerful the cross was, even
19:25before we knew it wasn't from North America.
19:27Now we have some evidence that it really is special, scientifically.
19:32It's unbelievable to think of what could come out of Smith's Cove.
19:35That's right.
19:36The anticipation of furthering the search agenda in Smith's Cove is truly, well and truly,
19:43exhilarating, and I can't wait to get at it.
19:44It's a huge project.
19:46A lot of land being moved.
19:48Yeah.
19:49We know there's some stuff out there that's real interesting, and then there's the unknown.
19:52There's going to be the unknown out there, too.
19:54It's all going to be interesting.
19:55Guys, thank you so much for this.
19:57Any final thoughts as we head into the second episode?
19:59Hey, what do I always say?
20:01Stay tuned.
20:01It's a fun ride.
20:03It sure is.
20:03I would concur.
20:04Let's not mess around anymore.
20:06Let's not talk anymore.
20:07Let's get to the episode.
20:09Episode 2, Season 6 of The Curse of Oak Island starts now.
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