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00:12I'm down at magazine Lane next door neighbor relations come to pick her up to go somewhere
00:19she's based down in the hall and I can't make out whether it it looks like a lot of blood
00:37I don't know I can't really make out I mean they're walking sticks on the floor by the door
00:44there's a towel by the door her glasses are sort of at her knees
00:49I think she's been there at least all night at least because the curtains are shut
00:55hang on hang on she's had a fire what's this she's had a fire I think she's been on fire
01:04can I say his name please unicron
01:16it's crucial that we find the truth
01:21got to question everything believe nobody
01:26it's almost a game of chess
01:28turning them to slip up
01:29this is your opportunity to talk to me
01:46cambridgeshire police say they're determined to find the killer of a widow from whiz beach
01:52unicron who was 86 was found dead at her bungalow in 2013 she was in a pool of blood her
01:59clothing
02:00was burnt initially her death was treated as an accident but a murder investigation was later launched
02:12long time coming
02:14it was
02:18officers from cambridgeshire police's major crime unit plan to use new scientific techniques to try to solve
02:25the murder after previous investigations failed to find the evidence to prosecute a killer who has remained free for more
02:32than a decade
02:32all good to go
02:33that's all right with you
02:34thank you
02:35be as quick as we can
02:37Ian and I have never been here you don't get the feel of it from photos
02:44I don't feel so weird being in here 11 years later
02:53oh wow okay so chair was here tv was there but the chair was at this angle and um and
03:03the blanket was there
03:04we know from the radio times she had an evening of telly planned
03:08yes but the blanket is a throw down got to get up quickly so did she hear something down there
03:16and that's made her get up
03:17there's no signs of forced entry at all zero isn't so so that's ruled out completely
03:22she's let him in
03:23so option one is he's come in via the front door she's had to unlock it option two the back
03:30door and that's where he's come in
03:32but by the sounds of things an unexpected visit
03:35yeah on a cold january dark night
03:40this is the biggest cold case i've investigated it's very personal i mean obviously anybody in the force is aware
03:47of what happened back in 2013
03:54after the murder of pensioner
03:56oona crown police are reappealing for information about her death
04:00we urge anybody out there to think back
04:03because anybody that they know came home either with blood on them and smelling of smoke or came into some
04:10money
04:11and no matter how small or insignificant this information may seem if they tell us it may help us to
04:17find and convict the killer of oona crown
04:27this investigation has had effect on a lot of people even myself it stuck with me that we didn't have
04:33anybody charged with the murder of oona crown
04:35any detective doesn't want any detective doesn't want an unsolved murder is part of their history
04:39i always thought and hoped one day we'd get who was responsible and locked them up for life
04:49welcome to the briefing for operation valerian
04:53i'll go through some of the background of the case
04:55and obviously what's led us to reopen the investigation
04:58on sunday the 13th of january
05:012013 the body of mrs oona crown aged 86
05:04was discovered at the home address
05:07magazine lane in whiz beach
05:09oona had been a widow for a number of years and she lived alone
05:12the body of oona was discovered laying face down just a few feet from the front door
05:17and the clothing was badly burnt and there were small seats of fire within the premises
05:22oona in fact died of extensive stab wounds
05:26one alone to the chest which extended through the torso and vital organs
05:32the ferocity of the violence and the death that oona suffered is unspeakable
05:41she was the same age as my grandma when she died
05:45my grandma was my most favorite person in the world
05:49and on her death certificate it said
05:53the cause of death was old age
05:56oona's cause of death was stab wounds and murdered
06:02there were some failings around the attendance of the original officers over the first couple of days
06:08there was no obvious signs of a disturbance
06:10and the initial assessment by officers concluded that it would be treated as a normal sudden death
06:18that's the mindset of somebody that goes in there not thinking
06:24it's a murder
06:25whereas the mindset should be
06:29this is a murder until i find out that it's not
06:34and that is the mindset that officers should have when they go to any death
06:39could this be a murder
06:42other than a visual examination of the scene there was no other forensic activity undertaken
06:47as such scene was shut down handed back to the family and we no longer had control of it
06:55we lost the scene it was completely contaminated
06:59things were touched things were moved
07:02those golden hour principles of securing and preserving that evidence weren't adhered to on this job
07:09that loss of evidence has huge ramifications for trying to find a killer
07:32welcome to crown watch live
07:34coming up on the program the terrible murder of a pensioner
07:38unicrown and the man responsible has never been traced
07:41can you finally help cambridgeshire police track that person down and bring her murderer to justice
07:47well i'm joined by dci ian moore who is the sio on this case
07:52so what information are you appealing for today
07:54we're appealing for anybody to come forward and give information about what happened
07:58and they might have recognized this cold case is hugely significant
08:02we will do appeals
08:04we will do whatever it takes
08:07because there might be one tiny piece of a jigsaw puzzle that we're looking for
08:11to bring that offender to justice
08:15this has absolutely devastated the family
08:18they really want answers
08:20people that may have been scared to come forward in the past
08:23you're urging them to come forward they could have that key piece of information couldn't they
08:27yeah i mean we believe that the answers to this crime still lie in the whizbeats community
08:51we all thought it was someone local i didn't think she'd ever let anybody in
08:55that she didn't know because she was social security wise i've always told her
09:01whatever you do
09:03look out your window first and you'll know who's coming to the door
09:06and then you can open it if you know them
09:10she used to go out probably once a week i think
09:14as her niece used to come and pick her up and take them out and take her out shopping
09:24it's uh wednesday the 16th of january 2013
09:29your full name
09:30yes
09:30i'm mrs judy payne
09:33or judas really judas payne
09:35we all have a niece
09:37yes
09:37my name is john payne spelt p-a-y-n-e
09:41i'm prepared to say that you and john are closest family
09:44yes
09:44can you tell me about the last time you saw una
09:50friday
09:50yeah friday about midday
09:53we took it to the town centre
09:56went you know just no one went to the coffee house
09:58had the coffee had a natter
09:59or judy and una had a natter
10:02put the world as women do sorry
10:03sorry about this but put the world to rights as they will
10:07had a cup of coffee and a lovely chat
10:11for about i think three quarters of an hour
10:16and then we went down to tesco's
10:19she enjoyed it because it's an outing
10:22she'd sort of scoot ahead of us and i used to laugh with john and say
10:25look at this she's faster than what we are bless her
10:30and she was just so happy
10:34and then took her home
10:35and she'd give me a kiss and i'd say
10:38we'll be here on sunday as normal auntie
10:41can you tell me about sunday the 13th
10:47i went to the front door
10:48the door was locked the curtains are drawn
10:50i immediately said
10:53run over to tina next door they've got a key
10:56so we went to the front door
10:58i unlocked the front door
10:59opened the door
11:02and saw a unit
11:11when judy arrived and she looked at me and he said
11:14it's not what i i said yes
11:16he said love you can't go in
11:18he said and you wouldn't want to see it love
11:21he said all i will say to you is i'm glad it's me
11:30but who was the one to do this
11:40i've engaged with the family and i've seen firsthand the impact that it's had on them
11:44there is a way of responsibility to bring closure for the family
11:48i can't imagine the pain that they have gone through for the last 11 years
11:54an unsolved murder means we don't have the answers for the family and justice for you now
12:07i kept saying to john do you think somebody's been watching us when we drop her off
12:12um because it was such a regular thing
12:14okay
12:14i said you think somebody's been watching they know there's a little old lady that's vulnerable
12:19he said that when you survived she used to look out the window
12:22she'd look out the bedroom window
12:23yeah something yes some not to the door
12:25she yeah she'd go to the bedroom window i think
12:28and look out who's standing on the porch one
12:31julia said don't open the door to anybody unless you know who they are
12:38so she must have the daughter's son as she knew
12:42to lead them to the suspect officers re-examine the victim's last known movements
12:50so let's just go through the chronology
12:52okay
12:53okay
12:54on the 11th of january she went to tesco's
12:58picked her up dropped her off
13:00saturday the 12th quarter 12th she's seen outside by mr mainwaring
13:03walking the direction from cox's lane
13:06at two minutes past five dorothy rangoon on a landline
13:09again that that's important because within that conversation
13:14yeah
13:15una told them that she'd had dinner but it was
13:18much earlier than she would normally have had dinner
13:21yeah
13:21so why did she have dinner so early
13:24yeah
13:24and why are things set on the table
13:26yeah
13:28dorothy was surprised that she'd already eaten
13:30so in my eyes she was expecting somebody whether or not she wanted them to come
13:36or not
13:37yeah
13:40after years of failure to secure a charge
13:43the team review previous suspects and persons of interest
13:47in order to decide who they should now focus on
13:50what's going on
13:54we have a list of suspects
13:56yep
13:57the intel over the last ten years have been
14:00that the local burglar and mark coleman had murdered una
14:04they tried to steal money rings
14:07and they stabbed her and set her on fire
14:09and that someone called stuttering dan drove them away from the address
14:13and this sort of suspect thing is obviously because of the mo
14:16yeah
14:17er that he committed the murder
14:18exactly
14:19when he was younger
14:20his victim for that murder
14:22was his mum's neighbour and he knew her
14:25yes
14:25there is no links to una for him
14:30Jamie Bowgen obviously is the suspect for a pair of space
14:33so we'll need to go forward because of similarities
14:37the link obviously for Jamie is his brother was in a relationship with Una's niece
14:42so there is at least a link
14:45Derek Mason then
14:47yeah so Derek Mason was Una's best mate to an extent
14:52he came into 25 grand after Una's death
14:58okay
14:59and has previously done work in her house changed the door locks
15:02the gardener
15:04yeah
15:04they did fall out sometime before the murder over a tree that was going to get cut down
15:10and he was basically alibied by his sister
15:13but
15:13there is a discrepancy of his timings and the fact he goes back to the scene the next morning
15:19um
15:20he's the first to approach the officers
15:22at the scene
15:23yeah
15:25and then we'd have David Newton
15:29he was living just round the corner at the time
15:31original suspect
15:34an obvious need to include him in this because never really properly discounted
15:38albeit CPS wouldn't charge at the time but
15:40yeah
15:41not really ruled out
15:43we've got those now going forward
15:52cold cases are a huge challenge
15:55and the important part is to identify forensic opportunities
16:02at the time of the initial investigation there were exhibits seized
16:09okay
16:09three three seven
16:10bra
16:12this exhibit
16:12yeah what the bra yeah
16:16yeah
16:17technology has moved on
16:18and as a team
16:21we review those exhibits
16:23and decide what extra techniques are available now
16:29and to submit them for forensic analysis
16:37to understand why
16:38Yuna Crown's death wasn't initially treated as murder
16:41police decide to speak to all the professionals who attended the scene
16:47in terms of one of the officers
16:49it's really taken its toll on him
16:51and had quite a detrimental effect on him
16:54and his family
16:56even his future career and everything really
16:59so much so he's been diagnosed with various conditions
17:01and I think he really is struggling day to day
17:04and he felt quite let down at the time
17:07because there were other officers there at the scene as well
17:10but none of them went through the mill as much as he did
17:17Detectives review the accounts of two police officers who decided on the day
17:21that the death was non-suspicious
17:25The reason behind this interview is in relation to the investigation to the murder of Yuna Crown
17:31that happened on the 13th of January this year
17:33and we're interviewing you
17:34you were the first attending officer there
17:40Meanwhile investigating officer Graham McMillan
17:43speaks to one of the fire investigators called to Magazine Lane that day
17:51Well thanks for seeing us today Carl
17:52this relates to the murder of Yuna Crown back in 2013
17:55which I'm sure you probably got quite a good recollection of
17:59Yeah, I remember it very well
18:00because it was mid-morning we got called
18:01Yes
18:01They opened the front door and there's a dead body there
18:03and I thought, yeah, this is serious
18:04Yeah
18:05So my mind at that point, we're going crime scene
18:11Can you just introduce yourself?
18:15Can you just introduce yourself please?
18:17Yes, I'm Detective Sergeant 1081 Mark Cosse
18:20This interview is specifically around your decision making right now
18:24and the decisions that you made on that day
18:27I glugged up, walked in and you immediately struck with
18:31well, she's there on the floor, in the hallway, face down
18:39The address was completely clean and tidy throughout
18:41It was locked and secured, no signs of disturbance
18:45no missing keys
18:47So far as we could tell
18:49it was incredibly unlikely that an intruder would come in
18:51or that it didn't look as if there'd be in a fight
18:54or something like that round the house
18:57I went through his theory, what he thought would happen
19:01The cooker was faulty
19:03because the cooker was off
19:05and yet it was red hot when you put your hand over the top
19:10Chances are, if clothing has caught a light
19:12or tea towel has caught a light
19:15she's frantically tried to put it out
19:17and my initial thoughts were
19:20because of the shock
19:22heart failure
19:23because of the position of the body
19:25she's just gone
19:27I thought, my thoughts were
19:29she's dead before she's hit the floor
19:37This is where I had the debate, the stand-up argument with the police
19:41We knew that there was not enough temperature in that hob
19:44to ever set fire to that tea towel
19:46The tea towel had been set fire to hanging on the rail
19:49I remember saying at the time
19:51I think she'd been set fire to on the floor
19:54The naked flame would have had to be applied to each of the items
19:57to set fire to it
19:59So all these indicators actually pointed to it being a deliberate fire
20:04The person who's done that set fire to tea towel
20:07set fire to the newspaper, set fire to body
20:11This is textbook arson
20:12and when we turned the body over
20:15there was clear lacerations to the neck
20:18We thought what had happened was
20:20she was wearing a neckerchief
20:23and it was knotted
20:25quite tightly
20:27If it is heart failure
20:29and she's just gone straight down
20:31she's 86, she's very frail
20:33the skin would be tight
20:35the neckerchief would cause
20:38this injury to the throat
20:39He questioned that at the time
20:42and that was dismissed not only by the acting sergeant
20:45but by the detectives there
20:47and the CSI
20:51if she had a throat cut
20:53you would have expected to see
20:54the lungs of blood
20:56or sun blood
20:57up on the cream coloured worms
20:59there wasn't anything
21:00there was nothing
21:02My mindset was
21:03it's no suspicious
21:03we were happy that it was
21:05an accidental death
21:08you know
21:08every day I'm making decisions about
21:10things like death
21:11I'm going out to death all the time
21:13I've been out to two or three
21:14in the like weeks prior to this
21:16I would like to have thought
21:18that I'm competent at making a decision
21:20as to whether or not
21:20we need
21:21you know
21:22to describe it as being
21:23more suspicious
21:26Erm
21:27the gospel words
21:29to be honest
21:30Yeah I mean it's frustrating
21:31seeing that
21:32The thing is once you form
21:33an opinion of
21:34of
21:35this is non-suspicious
21:36then you formulate
21:38all your thinking around
21:39that theory
21:41Yes that's right
21:41It really does pain me
21:43eleven years later
21:45If we'd had a more forensic approach
21:47from the outset
21:47there'd probably been a lot of good evidence
21:49there in my
21:50Oh yeah
21:51It's probably the worst
21:52policing decision I've seen
21:53in my career
21:55and even to this day
21:56I just can't understand it
21:57I think possibly
21:59I've not done as much
22:00as I could have done
22:01and I've let the family down
22:03and the fact is
22:03as a collective
22:05we didn't get it right
22:08You can't pinpoint
22:09a person for
22:13criticism
22:13It's a collective failure
22:15It's a collective failure
22:19It's a collective failure
22:20The impact
22:21of the decisions
22:22that day
22:23was huge
22:25and that decision
22:27will live with
22:29everybody at that scene
22:31and has done
22:33for the last eleven years
22:35a murderer
22:38is walking the streets
22:41We have to find
22:42Una's killer
22:56A bungled start to an investigation
22:58a family needing answers
23:01a killer still on the loose
23:04Una
23:05always come to the gate
23:06and
23:06have a little chat
23:08with me
23:08and
23:09she's just one lovely
23:11old lady really
23:13bless her
23:13you know
23:15you know
23:15you can't imagine it
23:17can you
23:18they've made a right mess
23:19of it
23:20I mean
23:21to say that
23:21she'd done it herself
23:22and then since then
23:24we've heard she had
23:25fifteen stab wounds
23:26and all this
23:27but I mean
23:27you don't do that yourself
23:30I completely accept
23:32that people make mistakes
23:34it's how you then deal
23:35with those mistakes
23:36we're working towards
23:38getting answers
23:39for the families
23:40and to show the public
23:42that we don't give up
23:45home office pathologist
23:47Nat Carey
23:47said it was clear to him
23:48this was a homicide
23:50this from the outset
23:51he said
23:52her injuries were extensive
23:53Una Crown
23:54had been attacked
23:55with a bladed weapon
23:57three cuts
23:57to her neck
23:59they were deep
23:59and gaping
24:00one severed
24:02a jugular vein
24:03and another cut
24:04had penetrated
24:05her heart
24:06and lungs
24:10I mean to me it doesn't matter
24:12how you look at this case
24:13from so many points of view
24:15forensically
24:16and pathologically
24:17it's suspicious
24:18and I imagine
24:19that from an investigative
24:20point of view
24:20it is as well
24:21100%
24:22it was a clear homicide
24:24yeah
24:25importantly
24:26there were what would be termed
24:27defensive type injuries
24:29such as you might get
24:30if you're warding off
24:31a sharp weapon attack
24:33and she didn't have any
24:35soot in her lungs
24:36like she breathed in the fire
24:38no
24:38no
24:38which is a key finding really
24:41yeah
24:42it gives you some indication
24:43of the sequence of events
24:45it means she was burnt
24:47after death
24:48cut throat
24:49stabbing
24:50and then setting fire
24:51so that was
24:52something you might have had
24:53a bit of forensic awareness
24:55in other words
24:56to try and destroy
24:57traces of what had happened
24:58and their involvement
24:59yeah
25:00the burning was to
25:01to at least try and hide
25:03some of the forensic evidence
25:05that the killer would have known
25:07that we would have found
25:08but importantly
25:11in a sort of forensic catch up
25:13I still took samples
25:15I took clippings
25:17from a number of the fingernails
25:19on both hands
25:20sometimes limbs or fingernails
25:22may be quite sheltered
25:24from either burning or handling
25:26by other people
25:27I always think it's worth
25:28pursuing the DNA
25:29with the changes
25:30that have occurred
25:31in the past few years
25:33DNA technology
25:34has improved
25:35yes
25:38DI Lee Martin
25:39visits the forensics lab
25:41where the exhibits
25:42from the original investigation
25:44including those secured
25:45by the home office pathologist
25:47Nat Carey
25:48will be examined
25:50we try to maximise DNA recovery
25:53and originally
25:54back in 2013
25:56they took two samples
25:58from the fingernails
25:59and we must remember
26:00we have moved forward
26:01obviously since then
26:02and the tests that we look at
26:04they are great
26:06at ignoring female DNA
26:07and focusing in
26:09on the male specific DNA
26:11in the heat of the moment
26:13could she have scratched
26:14could she have reached out
26:15at her attacker
26:16at some point in time
26:18and therefore
26:19there would be some remnants
26:20even if it's minute
26:21of DNA
26:21underneath her fingernails
26:22her right hand
26:24was quite clenched
26:25so that was
26:27quite key potentially
26:28because it was
26:28going to be protected
26:29from any of the burning
26:30that was going on as well
26:31well the right hand
26:32is the key one
26:33because it was away
26:34from the fire
26:35that fire
26:36was
26:37to
26:38stop us
26:39looking for DNA
26:40yeah
26:40so her having her hand
26:42underneath her
26:43has protected
26:44that DNA
26:45absolutely
26:46we had five fingernails
26:47so there is plenty
26:48scope
26:48we didn't get the first
26:49time round
26:51so within DNA testing
26:53we also have a profile
26:55known as YSTR
26:57which is the male gene
26:59within the DNA profile
27:02that technique is getting
27:05stronger and stronger
27:06as the years move on
27:08it can assist with pointing
27:11towards a certain bloodline
27:13it does not say
27:15it is
27:16that person
27:18that is the only thing
27:19at this minute
27:20to take us any further
27:21forward
27:22that is the only test
27:23we've got
27:24yeah in this instance
27:25it's probably about the
27:26strongest that we're going to
27:27get from from DNA
27:28at this point in time
27:31while scientists test for
27:33male DNA which may have
27:34come from the killer
27:36elimination samples
27:37must be taken from all
27:38officers and personnel
27:40who might legitimately
27:41have come into contact
27:42with Una Crown
27:43following her death
27:47because what we're doing
27:48is we are going back
27:49to see everybody
27:50who went into the scene
27:51on the 13th of January
27:52get some elimination DNA
27:55perfect
27:56thank you
27:58I was the first person
27:59through the door
28:00you still remember it then
28:01like yesterday
28:03and there's little things
28:05that you remember
28:05and I remember
28:06she was like
28:08absolutely straight
28:09like that
28:10laid on the floor
28:10absolutely
28:11not like that
28:12it was like
28:12oh my god
28:13that's not right
28:14no one falls like that
28:15does it
28:16yeah
28:19every year
28:20I'd hear the word
28:21crown
28:21yeah
28:22and then I was just
28:23looking on Google
28:24to see if there was
28:26any update on it
28:26you know
28:27you know
28:28I always think about
28:29this lady
28:30because she looks
28:31the spitting image
28:32of my nan
28:33I just can't imagine
28:35what her family
28:36are going through
28:37I mean I must be
28:37absolutely haunted
28:39yes
28:39those last moments
28:41of absolute fear
28:43yeah
28:43terror
28:44you know
28:45who could do that
28:46to a little old lady
28:48I just went down
28:49to photograph somebody
28:51yes
28:51I didn't really know
28:52the pre-history of the case
28:55no
28:55but I just noticed
28:56erm
28:57cuts
28:58the marks
29:00that look suspicious
29:02yeah
29:04I mean how would you get
29:05cuts like that
29:06other than
29:07you know
29:08someone else would do it to
29:09you know
29:17I don't see
29:18DS
29:19Mark
29:19Cosi
29:20and I hope
29:22he's had enough time to
29:23reflect on it
29:24and hold his hands up
29:25and says
29:25yeah I was wrong
29:30I just need to set up
29:31yeah
29:32as you know
29:33all statements
29:34are on computer these days
29:35so I just need to
29:35fire me laptop up
29:40thank you
29:43yeah
29:43I do think about it often
29:45you know there's certain cases
29:47that erm
29:48you never forget
29:49and this is one of them
29:52there's always regret
29:53there's always decisions made
29:55that
29:56in
29:57passage of time
29:58are not the right decisions
29:59if that
30:00oven
30:01hadn't led me
30:02into a
30:04completely different direction
30:05erm
30:07things would have been different
30:11at the end of the day
30:12I hope there's justice
30:13for the family
30:14for the victims
30:17it would give me some
30:18satisfaction to say the least
30:20as well
30:29updated DNA samples
30:31must also be collected
30:32from suspects
30:33in the previous murder
30:34investigations
30:37why do you need a fresh sample?
30:39as DNA technology moves on
30:41so at the minute
30:42we're on now
30:43what is called DNA 17
30:44which is a totally new
30:47sort of
30:47way of us taking DNA
30:49and obviously profiling it as well
30:50right
30:51so as DNA progresses
30:52the old samples become
30:53worthless
30:54right
30:55so you're telling me
30:56so everyone on your database
30:58has got to be updated
30:59yes
30:59unless they've been
31:00arrested since 2017
31:02we've got updated
31:03that's fine now
31:03so this is specifically
31:04for the Unicrown investigation
31:06so are you
31:07going to all people
31:08when who've
31:11done
31:11I don't know
31:12yeah
31:12I just don't know
31:14anyone that we took DNA off
31:15before
31:15we've just upgraded
31:16it's fine
31:17well I know
31:17I've not got anything to worry about
31:19so
31:20I'm going to take a seat
31:21in here for me
31:24have you had DNA done before?
31:26yeah
31:26yep
31:29cool
31:29can I just open my mouth please
31:35cool
31:36got a ship thrown my way
31:38but
31:38what do you do?
31:41there's certain people out there
31:43who
31:44take advantage of
31:45the situation
31:47some people are in
32:08I think the offender
32:10carrying this secret
32:13for the last
32:14eleven years
32:15it's a huge burden
32:17and to wake up every morning
32:20wondering
32:20whether or not
32:21we're going to come
32:22knocking on the door
32:23that day
32:24even after
32:25eleven years
32:28you're still looking
32:29over your shoulder
32:46as it stands with the investigation
32:48we've got the circumstantial evidence
32:50which obviously is largely the same as back in 2013-2014
32:54and that hasn't significantly changed
32:56we're obviously waiting for DNA results to come back
32:59but there's a couple of names that keep coming up in the Whistbeach community
33:09I moved to Magazine Lane around 2014
33:13ten years ago
33:14the murder had already happened
33:16and we could see the
33:17on the lamp post
33:19all the signs
33:19the rewards
33:20and things like that
33:22I did hear a couple of rumours
33:23there was two of the lads involved in it
33:26the rumours round town
33:27is of them two that done the murder
33:28no
33:30no
33:33Mark Coleman
33:33and there was another bloke dropping
33:39you know
33:39you know
33:40you heard things in Whistbeach
33:41yeah all the
33:42gossip
33:43what one for you guys
33:45Mark Coleman
33:46right
33:46there was gossip
33:47from years back
33:49Mark was involved
33:50do you know Mark?
33:52yeah I've known him for years from around Whistbeach
33:54he's
33:55he'd been given
33:56you know he was sleeping rough and that
33:58and begging in town and stuff
34:05in a close-knit town like Whistbeach
34:10the same names crop up all the time
34:14the usual suspects
34:17in the afternoon about five
34:19I bumped into Mark Coleman
34:20where?
34:21on the corner of the magazine late
34:23on the Friday before she got murdered
34:26yes
34:26okay
34:28we look at profiling all the people that come in to the investigation
34:33yeah and you saw Mark Coleman on the Friday night
34:36definitely standing on the corner on the Friday
34:38I've made a thing late
34:39but they reckon that he wreaked a petrol
34:45uh roger
34:45I think Mr Coleman
34:46would you take priority
34:48thank you
34:48the community had already
34:50to an extent
34:51said that he was the murderer
34:53so then we get back to that public perception of
34:56Mark Coleman's walking around Whistbeach
35:00he's murdered Una Crown
35:01why haven't the police locked him up?
35:05Mark what have you been up to mate?
35:06come on
35:07come off the road
35:08just have a quick chat
35:09I want to put behind you back mate
35:10because it's the only safe way to do it
35:13okay
35:15so you've got nothing on you whatsoever?
35:17no
35:18a lot of people around Whistbeach
35:20are saying that they
35:21it was Mark
35:22with no proof
35:24everyone's just saying
35:24it's him
35:28it's how a lady got killed
35:29don't know if you know her
35:32can't make you part of that
35:34go on home
35:35it was done with me
35:37from an investigation point of view
35:40he might be a person of interest
35:42and a potential suspect
35:45so we have to look at everything
35:46from the previous investigations
35:55the reason why you're here today Mark
35:57is on suspicion of murder of Una Crown
35:59but also in custody
36:01in relation to this offence
36:03is a close friend of yours
36:06tell me about your relationship with Mark Conlon
36:08me
36:10is there a collusion between the two of you
36:12to hide responsibility for the death of Una Crown
36:15no I can't
36:17a witness
36:18overheard a conversation
36:19they heard
36:20one of you say
36:21the old lady from his bitch
36:23can you think of anything that possibly meant?
36:26no I can't
36:27your comments were
36:28to the effect
36:29or I did try to set fire to her
36:35and what was said
36:37also during that conversation
36:38was
36:40stick to the same story
36:42but why would you need to keep to a story?
36:45no Conlon
36:46keep to a story from who Mark?
36:48no Conlon
36:49we searched your address
36:50yep
36:52and a keepsake tin
36:53was a
36:54Russian clothing book
36:57maybe he was born that time
36:59did you say that from the Una Crown?
37:01no Conlon
37:01your
37:02bone data
37:03which has been looked at
37:04that data
37:05was always beached that night
37:07had he gone in there
37:08committed a burglary
37:09it's gone wrong
37:10no
37:11because this is a little old frail lady
37:13that's died
37:13I can't
37:15what are you hiding?
37:20are you involved
37:22in the murder of Una Crown Mark?
37:24no Conlon
37:25did you murder Una Crown?
37:29all I would say is
37:30I'm gonna kill no one right
37:32simply that
37:34and I'm pissed off
37:35keep getting into it
37:38the focus of the investigation has to be
37:41what ticks
37:42the motives of a murder
37:45or the mindset of a murderer
37:48were they trying to cover something up?
37:51was it hatred?
37:53was it a sexual offence?
37:58yes
37:58Jess can we just show you this
37:59you know
37:59David Newton
38:00that's where Newton lives
38:03that's his house there
38:04have you been there?
38:05have you been to the magazine?
38:06yeah
38:07you know how quiet it is
38:08yeah yeah
38:08so
38:09it's like a close isn't it?
38:11more than a
38:11yeah
38:11this is his manor
38:12this is
38:13and these are reported fires right
38:15from
38:172004 to 2020
38:18and this is
38:19post the murder as well
38:21they used to walk his dog
38:22all the way down magazine
38:24close
38:25and right the way along
38:26magazine lane
38:27all these fires
38:29have suddenly just
38:30sprung up
38:33with fires being set at the murder scene
38:36the new investigation team
38:38revisit local residents
38:39about arsons reported in the area
38:45in the area
38:46hello there
38:46Graham McMillan
38:47from the major crime unit
38:48nothing to worry about
38:49have you got a few minutes to speak
38:50yes
38:51thank you
38:53that bin outside was set on fire about five years ago and fences up there was like set on fire
39:00your fence yeah my fence dave was a known arsonist around here how do you know it was dave
39:10fences had up really a lot of people said it was he had known for it making fires and
39:16on the general chat is he's known as the arsonist yeah exactly i know him for 20 years yeah yeah
39:23okay and how did you find him a bit strange and people said he's a bit you know watching and
39:31he's
39:31a bit dodgy he used to smell of alcohol and yeah all the time one of my um my neighbors
39:38like friends
39:39yeah and we all used to speak about the murder yeah and he had it in his head it's like
39:45yeah he
39:56did the murder please tell me your full name and address um david newton yeah magazine close yeah
40:05was bitch i interviewed david newton back in 2013 over several hours a number of interviews and he was
40:15extremely difficult to interview tell me how you know and what you know about her and all your
40:21interactions with her i probably see you a bit once a week or might you be tight i don't honestly
40:27probably might be once a fortnight he prefixes all of his answers with probably you know i can't
40:34remember i don't know i can't be sure i may have but it is frustrating when when they're being so
40:39vague
40:40because you've got nothing to hang anything on we've always had the odd fire up and down the lane
40:44i didn't really know much about it till i went out to the greenhouse and i thought i saw this
40:51um
40:51charred paper would it have been before after the murder after the murder after the murder i'll say
40:57maybe four years ago did you report this to anybody uh no no not till you come around here okay
41:04a little
41:05bit further down same side of the road yeah there's a council a little bit if you like yeah that
41:11was
41:12set fire and took some of the hedge there was one and the one around there as well just up
41:17here
41:17there's been lots of billions mysteriously going on fire yeah who do you think's been setting the fire
41:22yeah yeah he always thought there was something dodgy about him anyway yeah there was three seats of fire
41:31um in uni's bungalow and this was part of the murder as a detective you just keep digging and digging
41:40until you get to the truth that's what we want we're after the truth at the end of the day
41:45we look at all fires in the locality at the time and since one person's name kept coming back
41:53david newton he is a local arsonist i'm sure of it there are a number of fires down magazine close
42:00and
42:00magazine lanes are you aware of any of those well i've heard of them do you remember the fire that
42:07happened about two weeks ago there was plenty out when i'll come around the corner yeah and from what
42:13they can see the natural way that anyone who would set a fire and then run off they went down
42:20the alleyway
42:22as you were coming out did you set the fire no i did not set the fire
42:34hiya is paula in please yes hi paula so your bin fires do you know how that could have started
42:42we have our theories but we think it was dave next door and it's your blue bin outside your bedroom
42:48window i take it in your recycling bin there was nothing that was flammable there as in no that
42:53could have caused the fire itself no no okay and you reported that to the police no because there
42:58was so many done at the same point so i don't think any of us did okay look because i
43:01think roof over
43:02the road she had hers done as well rumor that just kind of got rendered it was him okay so
43:07it was this
43:08one first and then there was another one then there was another one and what was the second one
43:11same again blue bin dave was automatically always the first choice he got to know that he wasn't
43:17laid in my house if he was drunk if he's had too much to drink you don't want to you
43:21don't want
43:22even cross paths with him because he can be quite um touchy-feely and he would push it he would
43:28just
43:28take it that little bit too far for my comfort yeah like so like it was like you have a
43:34word with
43:34him and then something goes wrong something will happen it's finally important that you speak to
43:40neighbors and that local community in magazine lane because there may be other offending or
43:46similar offense types in the murder that a suspect may continue to commit now yesterday we spoke to
43:54carol luce is in the next close she says one day about six o'clock you were at the door
44:00selling
44:01novel tickets she asked you to shut the door and then she goes back into the house she goes into
44:06the bedroom she takes her dressing gown off and she turns around and you're stood there
44:13no and so she stood there in a bra on her pants that's ridiculous that is
44:21i wish you'd have ideas on you david newton is a person you said you said you you know just
44:27to say
44:27hello yes we've lived down here a long time you reported to us back in 2013 if you remember you
44:35had a trailer fire that's right it was the garages yeah yeah yeah who did you think had set the
44:40fire
44:41well obviously we all think it was him because several bins have been set fire down here and
44:47everyone seems to think it's him have you seen any other behavior from david of course you're
44:53concerned well yes yes but he used to walk the dog at unusual times in the evening yeah no it's
45:02all
45:02it's all um everybody um will point the finger at him but we've you've never really got any hard
45:08evidence yeah okay yeah i think any detectives who review what we had david newton would have to be at
45:15the top of your list albeit all uncircumstantial there was no forensics you did get a gut feeling um but
45:24it wasn't just a gut feeling i've seen what david newton was like and basically a leopard doesn't
45:30change its spots and i believe david newton is the killer
45:44what do you use to describe a bully a beast don't trust what anything comes out of his mouth
45:54we've got a ystr result which has given us a positive finding ystr profile dna has been detected
46:02and mark coleman's dna is no match at all so completely out of the investigation yeah excellent
46:10hello please
46:13the dna match in isolation is not going to prove the case
46:19he's an evil bastard and more often he's good
46:24so
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