Boy Band Confidential - Season 1 Episode 1 - The Price of Pop - video Dailymotion

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00:00:00Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound

00:00:22Take a backseat, Backstreet Boys, your rivals in sync

00:00:28Now hold the record for album sales

00:00:3030 years ago, they made fun of the word boy band

00:00:34It's now a badge of honor

00:00:38A wretch like me

00:00:49I know what has been a difficult time for you, AJ

00:00:52It was a horrible experience for me

00:00:54It's a cutthroat business

00:00:55This is a scam

00:00:57This is the first time I'm talking about it this openly

00:01:00The people that we thought had our backs really didn't have them

00:01:04I once was lost

00:01:14I don't worry just how long their fame and their money will last

00:01:18I was victimized

00:01:22Was blind

00:01:24He was propositioning to these young performers, including me

00:01:29Has been arrested

00:01:30He too was assaulted

00:01:32We had nobody except each other

00:01:35If I had the chance to do it all over again and end up where I am

00:01:40Would I do it?

00:01:41But now I see

00:01:51Beautiful

00:01:57Backstreet Boys

00:02:00We love our fans, that's why we're here

00:02:17And you had to be here

00:02:18Can't wait

00:02:19I'm not going to do it

00:02:20Not going the way

00:02:22But now I see

00:02:23Do nothing

00:02:28Walk

00:02:36Ah, the stories.

00:02:38Artists have recorded here.

00:02:40NSYNC, Fashion Voice, Britney Spears,

00:02:41Jonas Brothers, Boyz II Men, 98 Degrees,

00:02:44Aaron Carter, Snap, Full Force,

00:02:46Menudo, Galen Brown,

00:02:48and I don't know who that guy is.

00:02:54How many years have passed?

00:02:56Oh, gosh.

00:02:57Well over 20 years.

00:02:59Definitely a lot has changed.

00:03:04Here's actually kind of funny.

00:03:05There's a photo.

00:03:06Oh, there it is right there.

00:03:06You can see right there.

00:03:07This was literally here.

00:03:09This was this shot.

00:03:09They were standing there in the alleyway

00:03:11and shooting us there.

00:03:13But hilarious enough, look at the big-ass TV,

00:03:15and now it's a flat screen.

00:03:16Like, look at just even simple little things like that.

00:03:19I don't know why.

00:03:19It's kind of funny to me.

00:03:22My name is Joey Fatone.

00:03:24I was in a group called NSYNC.

00:03:27Once we became a group,

00:03:31we were doing a stadium tour.

00:03:3460,000, 70,000 people screaming at you.

00:03:38For the five of us,

00:03:40being able to be that successful

00:03:42doesn't happen very, very often.

00:03:48Yep.

00:03:49Too many memories in here.

00:03:51Too many times sweating our asses off.

00:03:57Too many times doing the same song

00:04:00over and over and over and over and over

00:04:02and over and over and over.

00:04:08You can't deny that if it wasn't for NSYNC,

00:04:11Justin Timberlake wouldn't be the way he is right now.

00:04:14Wouldn't be doing Broadway

00:04:15to hosting TV shows,

00:04:18to doing films.

00:04:21The Deadpool movie used our hit for their open.

00:04:25Now it's a younger generation.

00:04:27They are learning about NSYNC,

00:04:28which is pretty cool.

00:04:30It's such an amazing experience

00:04:31to be able to go through this life.

00:04:33But when we started, we were young.

00:04:35Justin was 14 years old.

00:04:37I was, what, 17, 18?

00:04:39I just graduated high school.

00:04:40Legit.

00:04:42Now we couldn't grasp everything

00:04:43that was happening around.

00:04:44But now as we get older,

00:04:46you look at life differently.

00:04:48And you realize the industry can be wonderful

00:04:51and can be cool at the same time.

00:04:53Would there ever be a reunion still?

00:04:55I mean, there's always a possibility, of course.

00:04:57Now many of our fans don't know

00:04:59the challenges that we faced.

00:05:00But throughout my career,

00:05:01I met other performers from different groups

00:05:04and started to realize

00:05:05that all these other boy bands

00:05:07had similar experiences

00:05:08that they kept quiet about.

00:05:10And it's time we finally shared their stories.

00:05:34What's up, dude?

00:05:35So how are we feeling about the shoot so far?

00:05:38Well, it's funny,

00:05:39because I was up very early.

00:05:40So Joey and I have been talking

00:05:42probably for the past six to eight months

00:05:44about what stories have people not heard.

00:05:48See, we're in entertainment, right?

00:05:50So our job is to portray

00:05:52and to sell not only a fantasy,

00:05:54but entertain.

00:05:57Well, in the boy band,

00:05:59there is a side that's not so glamorous.

00:06:01There is a side that's not so sexy.

00:06:04If you're a human being, you struggle.

00:06:07Everybody struggles.

00:06:08It's just magnified

00:06:11when you're in a boy band.

00:06:13I forgot, there's like four or five people

00:06:15I think we're going to get

00:06:15in L.A. next week.

00:06:18And then it's going to be Jeff Timmons

00:06:19at some point.

00:06:21What up?

00:06:23Speaking of the devil,

00:06:25who else has done it so far?

00:06:27We're getting A.J. in L.A.

00:06:28I just want to say hi to you.

00:06:30We're getting, I think,

00:06:32Nick in L.A.

00:06:33What's up, brother?

00:06:34Juan.

00:06:35Okay, speaking.

00:06:36Yeah.

00:06:37Sean.

00:06:38Jeff Timmons.

00:06:39It's one of those things

00:06:40I love to hear other sides of the story.

00:06:43Basically, it's them kind of going through

00:06:45and the kind of trials and tribulations.

00:06:47We've never had the conversation

00:06:48of just going,

00:06:49how did it feel?

00:06:50What happened?

00:06:51Because not many people

00:06:52got to experience something like this.

00:06:54Nick Lachey, take one.

00:06:59It's kind of long overdue.

00:07:00We've had a bunch of these

00:07:01and we haven't really told this angle.

00:07:07All right.

00:07:09All righty.

00:07:10Easy peasy.

00:07:13These are our Billboard Awards

00:07:14from 1999.

00:07:16We got four of these.

00:07:18For years, I didn't have any

00:07:20of my awards out in my house

00:07:21because I don't even think

00:07:22I deserve this.

00:07:27AJ is a character in a band.

00:07:30Alex is who I am.

00:07:35Born Alexander McLean,

00:07:37a nerdy kid from Palm Beach, Florida

00:07:38that had a huffy bike,

00:07:41played piano,

00:07:42loved games,

00:07:43loved comic books,

00:07:44but more than anything,

00:07:45loved to perform

00:07:47and sing and dance.

00:07:48There was an amazing theater

00:07:50called the Royal Palm Dinner Theater.

00:07:52One of the first roles

00:07:53that I got

00:07:54was in Snow White.

00:07:57They cast me as Dopey

00:07:58because Dopey was a mute

00:08:01and I had a speech impediment

00:08:04when I was growing up.

00:08:05I had two, actually.

00:08:06I had a stutter

00:08:06and a lisp.

00:08:08Of course,

00:08:08I get to be the character

00:08:10that doesn't have to say anything.

00:08:12I stole the show.

00:08:17But I think

00:08:18a negative side

00:08:19of that applause

00:08:20is how you would perceive it.

00:08:23Why are they clapping for me?

00:08:25Do I deserve that applause?

00:08:27I didn't do anything special.

00:08:30If I were you,

00:08:31I'd be booing me.

00:08:33Growing up in South Florida,

00:08:36most boys especially

00:08:38would look at you like,

00:08:39why are you not into sports

00:08:40or video games?

00:08:42Yeah, I would get picked on a lot.

00:08:43I got bullied a lot.

00:08:44And it really started

00:08:46to kind of tear me down inside.

00:08:49I definitely struggled

00:08:50with self-esteem

00:08:52my whole life.

00:08:56But I had this ability

00:08:59to perform

00:09:00and acting

00:09:01to bring people joy.

00:09:05I have to do these things

00:09:07to get people to like me.

00:09:09And if you look at

00:09:10most of the guys

00:09:11in that era,

00:09:12a lot of the reason

00:09:13why we choose music

00:09:16is this way

00:09:17to communicate

00:09:18and almost like

00:09:22it's a call for help.

00:09:25I was probably like

00:09:2610 or 11 years old,

00:09:27a little bit older than that.

00:09:29Out comes new kids on the block.

00:09:31We were living

00:09:31in Brooklyn, New York.

00:09:32And I remember

00:09:34this girl,

00:09:35this friend of mine,

00:09:36her name was Deborah.

00:09:36And I used to go to her house

00:09:37and watch all the VHS tapes.

00:09:42Because I didn't want

00:09:43anybody to know,

00:09:44you know,

00:09:45you don't watch a boy band.

00:09:46That's for girls.

00:09:47That's for guys.

00:09:48That's sissy stuff

00:09:49is what they would say.

00:09:50And I was like,

00:09:50I don't know

00:09:51what you're talking about.

00:09:51I'm like,

00:09:53I'm enjoying the performances.

00:09:54I love the songs.

00:09:55But on top of that,

00:09:57look at how many people

00:09:57are in this arena.

00:10:01Like they're performing

00:10:02in arenas right now

00:10:03at that time.

00:10:03And it's like,

00:10:04I would love to do

00:10:05something like that.

00:10:06It was groups like that.

00:10:08New Kids or Boyz II Men

00:10:09that we looked up to

00:10:10and showed us

00:10:11what was possible.

00:10:19New Kids on the Block

00:10:20is definitely

00:10:20the OG boy band.

00:10:22They were a worldwide phenomenon

00:10:24that started in the late 80s,

00:10:26sold over 80 million records

00:10:28worldwide.

00:10:29You can never be,

00:10:31you know,

00:10:32fed up with getting awards

00:10:33and being successful

00:10:34and having millions of people,

00:10:36you know,

00:10:36want to buy your records.

00:10:37I was a tour manager

00:10:38for New Kids on the Block

00:10:39and they,

00:10:40from a personality,

00:10:42performance level,

00:10:43can't be beat.

00:10:44Even to this day,

00:10:45I don't care

00:10:45what anybody says.

00:10:47But then when

00:10:47New Kids on the Block

00:10:48decided after four and a half years

00:10:50that they were burnt out.

00:10:51So they wanted

00:10:52to take a break.

00:10:53And that's kind of

00:10:54when Boyz II Men

00:10:55started coming out.

00:10:57Yes,

00:10:57there's a distinction

00:10:58between singer groups

00:10:59and boy bands,

00:11:00but unfortunately

00:11:00the experiences

00:11:01are very similar.

00:11:03But when I hear people

00:11:06having a lot to say

00:11:08about the group

00:11:09and not really understanding

00:11:10what we had to go through,

00:11:12I personally tell them

00:11:13to off

00:11:15because you don't know.

00:11:17You have no idea,

00:11:18nor will you ever know.

00:11:24We weren't a group

00:11:26that was put together.

00:11:28You know,

00:11:28music put us together.

00:11:29We all lived in,

00:11:30you know,

00:11:31four different places

00:11:32in Philadelphia.

00:11:34My mom had me

00:11:35when she was 19.

00:11:36My dad was 18.

00:11:37So, you know,

00:11:38they was kids.

00:11:40I met up with my dad

00:11:41later on

00:11:42when I was eight years old.

00:11:45You know,

00:11:45I lived in the projects.

00:11:47My mom wasn't

00:11:48in the best way

00:11:48at the time.

00:11:49And my grandmother

00:11:51took me to the trolley stop.

00:11:53She said,

00:11:53I'm going to show you

00:11:54how to do this.

00:11:56She said,

00:11:56get on the trolley.

00:11:57You sit right by the door.

00:11:59If anything happens,

00:12:00I need to be able

00:12:01to run straight off.

00:12:03The hood is the hood,

00:12:04you know what I'm saying?

00:12:05Somebody come on that joint

00:12:07and they want

00:12:08the money change thing.

00:12:10You know,

00:12:11they stick up the trolley.

00:12:15It was scary

00:12:16because I would come home

00:12:17and it'd be

00:12:18some crazy stuff.

00:12:20I'm talking about

00:12:20coming home

00:12:21and laying in my bed.

00:12:24Lift up the mattress.

00:12:26It's like sawed off shotguns,

00:12:28freaking nine millimeters.

00:12:30And guess what I did?

00:12:32Went to sleep.

00:12:33You feel me?

00:12:35That's what it was.

00:12:37So,

00:12:38I had to leave.

00:12:41And once I remember

00:12:42sitting on a bed

00:12:45when I just started crying,

00:12:47crying,

00:12:48and I was praying.

00:12:50I just said,

00:12:51I just want to be a star.

00:12:52And I kept crying it.

00:12:53I want to be a star.

00:12:54I want to be a star.

00:12:57Now, the crazy thing

00:12:59is when you become a star.

00:13:01He didn't,

00:13:02you didn't tell,

00:13:03he didn't tell me that

00:13:04it comes with a lie.

00:13:10I wasn't prepared for loss.

00:13:17And that loss

00:13:18changed the trajectory

00:13:19of everything.

00:13:27Growing up,

00:13:28fame,

00:13:29the TV show

00:13:30with Leroy

00:13:31and Coco

00:13:32and all of the dancers.

00:13:34And it was just this school

00:13:35that was amazing.

00:13:36I'm like,

00:13:36really?

00:13:37It'd be awesome

00:13:37if there was a school

00:13:38like that,

00:13:39right?

00:13:40In eighth grade,

00:13:41high schools,

00:13:42they start coming

00:13:43to your schools

00:13:44to, you know,

00:13:45solicit you

00:13:46to another place.

00:13:47So,

00:13:48I was sitting there

00:13:49and another school came

00:13:50and the next thing

00:13:52you know,

00:13:53they put their thing

00:13:54on the screen.

00:13:56They showed Leroy

00:13:57and Coco

00:13:58and they said,

00:13:59you might know

00:14:00this school

00:14:00from blah, blah.

00:14:02And I was like,

00:14:03fame!

00:14:04You know what I'm saying?

00:14:04I lost my mind,

00:14:06you know what I mean?

00:14:06I want to go to fame!

00:14:07I want to go to fame!

00:14:11CAPA

00:14:12is an acronym

00:14:13for Creative

00:14:14and Performing Arts.

00:14:14So,

00:14:16if it's anything

00:14:17like the TV show,

00:14:18I need to go.

00:14:19And that's where

00:14:19I met the other guys

00:14:20in a group

00:14:21called Boys to Men.

00:14:23When we first started,

00:14:25I was around 15.

00:14:27Nate,

00:14:27Mike,

00:14:28Mark were 16,

00:14:3017,

00:14:31and Wanya was like 14.

00:14:34What people don't have

00:14:35to realize is

00:14:36we rehearsed

00:14:37every day

00:14:39for nothing.

00:14:42Nothing!

00:14:43We had nothing!

00:14:44We just went

00:14:45and sang

00:14:46for nothing.

00:14:49It wasn't until

00:14:50we graduated

00:14:51that we snuck backstage

00:14:53to a Will Smith concert,

00:14:55and that's when

00:14:55we met Michael Bivens.

00:14:58Michael Bivens

00:14:59is an artist

00:14:59from the group

00:15:00Bell Biv DeVoe.

00:15:01He was one of the

00:15:02original members

00:15:03of New Edition.

00:15:04They sang for Bivens,

00:15:06and he winds up

00:15:07becoming their manager.

00:15:0989 is when

00:15:10the group was formed.

00:15:1290 is when

00:15:13we got signed.

00:15:1591 we came out.

00:15:17Boy, I'll tell you,

00:15:18these guys are hot.

00:15:19Everybody loves them.

00:15:19Women go crazy for them,

00:15:21and they're all single.

00:15:23They can harmonize,

00:15:24good singers.

00:15:25Much talent.

00:15:25They're the best.

00:15:26They really are.

00:15:27Boys to Men,

00:15:28they're the R&B kings.

00:15:29They're cool.

00:15:30That's one of the groups

00:15:31that we looked up to,

00:15:32that we strive to be like.

00:15:34I was at a performing arts

00:15:35school in Cincinnati,

00:15:37and we had an acapella group,

00:15:38and so we very quickly

00:15:39started to cover

00:15:41Boyz II Men.

00:15:42There was something

00:15:42about the way that sounded

00:15:44that was on a whole

00:15:44other level than anything

00:15:46I had ever heard arranged

00:15:47or performed

00:15:48in my entire life.

00:15:50Michael Bivens pushed for us

00:15:52to get on tour.

00:15:53So we were the opening act

00:15:55for MC Hammer.

00:15:56Of course,

00:15:57we don't know what it entails.

00:15:59We just said,

00:15:59oh, goodness,

00:16:00we're going on tour.

00:16:01This is amazing.

00:16:02MC Hammer, wow.

00:16:04When it came time

00:16:05for us to actually go on tour,

00:16:07Michael Bivens

00:16:08was putting personnel together,

00:16:09and he introduced us

00:16:10to Khalil during the rehearsal,

00:16:13and big early guy.

00:16:15He used to wear

00:16:15these big gold rings

00:16:17with diamonds on it,

00:16:18this big chain.

00:16:20Khalil Roundtree

00:16:21was our role manager,

00:16:22making sure that travel

00:16:24is taken care of,

00:16:25hotels,

00:16:26making sure we eat.

00:16:28The role manager

00:16:29takes care of all of that.

00:16:31So he was that,

00:16:33and then some.

00:16:34He was also our security.

00:16:37So when it came time

00:16:38for Khalil to role manage us,

00:16:40he needed help.

00:16:42So we called his best friend.

00:16:45Well, Khalil,

00:16:46we grew up a block apart

00:16:47from each other,

00:16:47and we was in

00:16:49elementary school together.

00:16:51And he was a big gentleman,

00:16:53and I was small,

00:16:54and we just connected.

00:16:56Like he was a gentle giant,

00:16:58and he was loyal.

00:17:01He knew what it all entailed,

00:17:02and he wanted us to be safe,

00:17:03and he protected us,

00:17:05hook or crook,

00:17:06through it all,

00:17:07no matter what.

00:17:08If we had to run,

00:17:09we had to run,

00:17:10and we had to crawl,

00:17:10we had to crawl,

00:17:11but he was right there

00:17:12with us,

00:17:12showing us how.

00:17:14But those things

00:17:16that you run from

00:17:17in life,

00:17:18they are always going

00:17:20to rear their heads.

00:17:24It's May 1992.

00:17:26We're on a

00:17:27Too Legit to Quit tour,

00:17:28and we were in

00:17:29Chicago, Illinois.

00:17:30I was actually in

00:17:33my girlfriend's room

00:17:34at the Doubletree.

00:17:36She was one of

00:17:37MC Hammer's dancers,

00:17:39and we were kicking it,

00:17:41having fun.

00:17:42And I heard like

00:17:43a loud door shut.

00:17:48Sean's girlfriend

00:17:49comes in the room,

00:17:50and she says,

00:17:54Khalil's dead.

00:17:59There was a lot of

00:18:00press,

00:18:01and a lot of news

00:18:02about this.

00:18:04But people don't know

00:18:05what we went through

00:18:06or how we went

00:18:07through things.

00:18:09I get a phone call

00:18:10in my hotel room,

00:18:11and it was Wanye,

00:18:13and he was like,

00:18:13yo,

00:18:14I need you to come

00:18:15somewhere with me.

00:18:16Something happened

00:18:17to Khalil.

00:18:18And we went up

00:18:19to Khalil's room.

00:18:21We got there

00:18:22was like CSI investigators.

00:18:25They pulled us

00:18:26in the room

00:18:26and sat us down.

00:18:29The police officer

00:18:30said there was

00:18:31people in the hotel.

00:18:33They were looking

00:18:33for the party

00:18:34because MC Hammer

00:18:35was at the hotel,

00:18:36so they were knocking

00:18:37on doors.

00:18:38Khalil would leave

00:18:40his hotel door open

00:18:41just to kind of

00:18:42keep an ear

00:18:44on everything.

00:18:45Khalil's door was open,

00:18:46so instead of knocking,

00:18:49they two of them

00:18:50kind of like

00:18:50pushed their way in.

00:18:53And they saw him

00:18:55counting the tour money.

00:18:58So the one guy

00:18:59barges in,

00:19:02Khalil was like,

00:19:03he's in my room.

00:19:05He walks out,

00:19:06so then he's like,

00:19:07shit, they've seen

00:19:08the money.

00:19:08He knows the guys

00:19:09are here.

00:19:10Let me handle this.

00:19:11You know,

00:19:12he called Quadri,

00:19:13so he was like,

00:19:14these trying to get

00:19:15in my room.

00:19:16So he's like,

00:19:17yo, come,

00:19:17we're going to get

00:19:18them out of the hallway

00:19:18because if they go

00:19:19knock on one of these

00:19:20stupid rooms,

00:19:22talking about us,

00:19:23they're going to

00:19:24open the door.

00:19:24We can't hear that.

00:19:27So Khalil and Quadri

00:19:29grabbed him.

00:19:32So I said,

00:19:33man, come,

00:19:33let's just take him

00:19:34downstairs and get rid of him.

00:19:38And one of the guys

00:19:39had a gun.

00:19:40Bow, bow, bow.

00:19:44I got shot.

00:19:46I felt one,

00:19:48two, three.

00:19:49One of the guys

00:19:50shot Khalil

00:19:51in the head.

00:19:53And they left.

00:19:59I was in the state of shock

00:20:01and I come out

00:20:02the elevator

00:20:02and I said,

00:20:03my friend,

00:20:04he's in the elevator.

00:20:04He's right there.

00:20:05He's dead.

00:20:05He's in the elevator.

00:20:06He's dead.

00:20:06And I couldn't stop saying it.

00:20:07And then I fainted.

00:20:13I've never experienced

00:20:14anything like that

00:20:15in my life.

00:20:16Someone that close to me

00:20:19getting killed

00:20:22in such a close proximity.

00:20:32The guys that were

00:20:33banging on hotel doors

00:20:35as they say

00:20:36trying to find

00:20:37where the party was at

00:20:38when in reality

00:20:39I really think

00:20:39they were looking for us.

00:20:41And Khalil knew that

00:20:42because that happened to us.

00:20:44We've had people

00:20:45sneak into our dressing rooms

00:20:47and stuff like that

00:20:47so

00:20:48he really was

00:20:49our protector.

00:20:52He was our shield

00:20:54from a lot of the mess

00:20:56that now we're exposed to.

00:20:59So now

00:21:00we have to

00:21:01grow up.

00:21:02We have to become

00:21:03boys to men.

00:21:04Is it difficult

00:21:05to adjust

00:21:06to the fame?

00:21:08It's not difficult

00:21:09because

00:21:09we help each other out,

00:21:11you know?

00:21:12Boys to men,

00:21:13they pull out of the tour

00:21:14but they're back

00:21:15on the same tour

00:21:16a week later

00:21:17and then they're back

00:21:18in the recording studio

00:21:19working on their next hit

00:21:20End of the Road.

00:21:21This is our first

00:21:21number one single.

00:21:22It's unnatural.

00:21:24You belong to me.

00:21:26I can't let go.

00:21:29It spends 13 weeks

00:21:31at number one

00:21:32and it becomes

00:21:32a massive hit.

00:21:34I'll Make Love to You.

00:21:36Another massive hit

00:21:37replaces

00:21:38End of the Road

00:21:40at the top

00:21:41of the singles chart.

00:21:43And they keep

00:21:44outdoing themselves

00:21:45one after the other.

00:21:47The success

00:21:48of Boys to Men

00:21:49paved the way

00:21:50for other groups

00:21:52to follow

00:21:52in their footsteps.

00:21:55However,

00:21:56there is a downside

00:21:57to that

00:21:58because

00:21:59they could

00:22:00grow up

00:22:00to boot you out

00:22:02from that spot

00:22:03at the top

00:22:03of the charts.

00:22:07Thanks to a lot

00:22:08of the groups

00:22:09that came before us

00:22:10like the Boys to Men's

00:22:11there was a door

00:22:12that had been reopened

00:22:14for male groups

00:22:16to come in.

00:22:17We could end up

00:22:18doing a deal

00:22:18with Atlantic Records.

00:22:19And then the funny

00:22:20thing is

00:22:21Atlantic Records

00:22:22didn't want to put

00:22:22our picture on the cover.

00:22:25Because our group

00:22:26All for One

00:22:27there's a white guy

00:22:28there's a Mexican guy

00:22:29and two black guys.

00:22:30The music industry

00:22:31even still to this day

00:22:32is one of the most

00:22:33like segregated places

00:22:35still.

00:22:37We did the hit song

00:22:38I Swear.

00:22:40They just start fire.

00:22:42Now here's the crazy story

00:22:43about I Swear.

00:22:44A lot of the

00:22:45black radio stations

00:22:46were not able

00:22:47to really play

00:22:48I Swear.

00:22:49It was like

00:22:49you know

00:22:49we have

00:22:50these folks here

00:22:51saying well

00:22:52you're not R&B enough

00:22:52you're not black enough

00:22:53you've got a white boy

00:22:54and a Mexican boy

00:22:55and you're group.

00:22:56It wasn't the fans

00:22:59that segregated us

00:23:00or didn't accept us.

00:23:02It was more of the

00:23:03people who make

00:23:04business decisions.

00:23:06And it sucked.

00:23:07And sucks.

00:23:08Past and present.

00:23:12Alright so I went

00:23:13in my garage

00:23:15and literally

00:23:15these are bins

00:23:16in my garage

00:23:17I don't even know

00:23:17half the stuff

00:23:17that's really in here

00:23:18so we're just

00:23:19going to open up

00:23:19and kind of look

00:23:19at some old

00:23:21there's probably

00:23:21NSYNC stuff in here

00:23:22there's a bunch

00:23:23of other stuff in here

00:23:23but out of the gate

00:23:25looks like I can

00:23:25break in half

00:23:26an NSYNC microphone

00:23:27portable and cordless.

00:23:30All the dolls

00:23:32Funko

00:23:32we're pop

00:23:33vinyl pop guys

00:23:35how many people

00:23:36have Barbie dolls

00:23:37well this is Christine

00:23:38and she's an NSYNC fan

00:23:42if hopefully

00:23:43you know

00:23:43your group

00:23:44does become popular

00:23:45it becomes I guess

00:23:47a brand in some sort

00:23:48because you're

00:23:49not only selling

00:23:49yourself per se

00:23:50but you're selling

00:23:51the product of course

00:23:52which is the music

00:23:53but sometimes

00:23:54it works the other way

00:23:55where the label

00:23:56or manager

00:23:56starts with the brand

00:23:57that they want to sell

00:23:58and it goes out

00:23:59looking for the individuals

00:24:00to fit that brand

00:24:01that's when you hear

00:24:02criticism that boy bands

00:24:04are in quote

00:24:05manufactured

00:24:06and nobody knows

00:24:08that better than

00:24:08Backstreet

00:24:22when I was a kid

00:24:23we left South Florida

00:24:25to move to Orlando

00:24:26to be closer to Nickelodeon

00:24:28and Disney

00:24:28places that I could

00:24:30potentially work

00:24:31or get jobs

00:24:32where did you get it

00:24:33from this guy

00:24:34hi honey I'm home

00:24:35it's a show

00:24:36on Nickelodeon

00:24:37that ended up

00:24:38actually getting

00:24:38picked up by ABC

00:24:40briefly

00:24:41that was a lot of fun

00:24:42it wasn't until

00:24:43this thing called

00:24:44the blue sheet

00:24:44was coming around

00:24:46in the mail

00:24:46and it was basically

00:24:47like the classifieds

00:24:48for all the local

00:24:49entertainment

00:24:50and on the final page

00:24:52on the top of it

00:24:52said

00:24:53local entrepreneur

00:24:54looking to put together

00:24:56a vocal group

00:24:58a la

00:24:58new kids on the block

00:24:59meets boys to men

00:25:02and I looked at my mom

00:25:03I was like

00:25:05what do you think

00:25:08Lou Prohmann

00:25:09held auditions

00:25:10for the Backstreet Boys

00:25:11and people came out

00:25:12and auditioned for it

00:25:14I was the first one

00:25:16to meet Lou

00:25:18went to his house

00:25:19sang for him

00:25:21and he signed me

00:25:22on the spot

00:25:23and that was it

00:25:23so IMV

00:25:24the OG

00:25:25I helped literally

00:25:27put the band together

00:25:28at that point in time

00:25:29I had a lot of friends

00:25:30saying to me

00:25:31hey

00:25:31this guy

00:25:32who owns all these blimps

00:25:34he wants to meet you

00:25:35and I'm like

00:25:36who is he

00:25:37his name was Lou Prohmann

00:25:38I don't know

00:25:39he's a rich guy

00:25:40he owns the blimps

00:25:41he drives around

00:25:42on Rolls Royce

00:25:43so I decided to go meet him

00:25:46at an Italian restaurant

00:25:47so when I walk in

00:25:48I go into this private room

00:25:50and there's this huge table

00:25:51set up for about 14 people

00:25:52and the only person

00:25:54at the table was Lou

00:25:55so it was some

00:25:56godfather moment

00:25:57right

00:25:57and then these five guys

00:25:59come in

00:25:59five boys

00:26:01Kevin, Ryan, Nick

00:26:03AJ and Howie

00:26:04so I was like

00:26:05what's going on with this

00:26:06so anyways

00:26:07these five guys come in

00:26:08singing

00:26:09and they're singing acapella

00:26:10the hair on my arm stood up

00:26:12because their harmonies

00:26:14were perfection

00:26:16and I remember

00:26:16looking across the table

00:26:17at Johnny

00:26:18and going

00:26:18ching ching

00:26:19it's called

00:26:20the Backstreet Boys

00:26:21brand new group

00:26:22what is your name

00:26:23I'm AJ McLean

00:26:24AJ

00:26:25oh god

00:26:25that was our very first

00:26:28TV performance ever

00:26:29the local news in Orlando

00:26:33AJ was 14

00:26:34he was the bad boy

00:26:35and who are you?

00:26:36Howie D

00:26:36Howie

00:26:37Howie was the sweet friend

00:26:38I'm from Lexington, Kentucky

00:26:40my name's Brian Littrell

00:26:41Brian was the all-American

00:26:42I'm Kevin Richardson

00:26:43Kevin and Brian

00:26:44were we late?

00:26:46Kevin Richardson

00:26:47kind of like the more

00:26:48mature daddy of the group

00:26:50he was only 22 at the time

00:26:53so that sounds weird

00:26:54but now all the fans

00:26:56say that Kevin has daddy vibes

00:26:57and Nick was the baby

00:26:59Nick was 12

00:27:00when I started working with him

00:27:02I'm from Tampa, Florida

00:27:03and I'm Nick Carter

00:27:0412

00:27:05Nick and AJ

00:27:06they were the young ones

00:27:07we're in the process

00:27:08of making the album right now

00:27:09I mean I was excited

00:27:10because one of the many reasons

00:27:11again

00:27:12back to the beginning

00:27:13why I got picked on

00:27:15because I didn't really

00:27:16have any guy friends

00:27:17all my friends were girls

00:27:20Hi, how you doing?

00:27:22Lou Pearlman

00:27:22was a peculiar entrepreneur

00:27:25he created this

00:27:27transportation company

00:27:28where he would

00:27:29charter blimps

00:27:30it's not like

00:27:32this is a common thing

00:27:33for a blimp entrepreneur

00:27:34to just enter

00:27:36the music industry

00:27:37and start a boy band

00:27:38this doesn't happen

00:27:40but you do need

00:27:41a lot of business acumen

00:27:42to create a successful

00:27:44musical act

00:27:45I always say

00:27:47there's a million artists here

00:27:48these guys have the right

00:27:50marketing promotion

00:27:51and make it

00:27:52because they have

00:27:53the machine around them

00:27:54that helps get them to that

00:27:56with the Backstreet Boys

00:27:57Lou funded the label

00:27:59Transcon Records

00:28:00Lou built a studio

00:28:02so they could record in there

00:28:04it was Lou's money

00:28:06the business side of things

00:28:08is very important

00:28:09Lou Pearlman's company

00:28:11Transcon Records

00:28:12was developing the Backstreet Boys

00:28:14to make them attractive

00:28:15to a record label

00:28:16by acting like a manager

00:28:18or producer

00:28:19Lou hires Johnny Wright

00:28:21as another manager

00:28:22to train them

00:28:23and book gigs

00:28:23Lou enlists vocal coaches

00:28:25music producers

00:28:26and choreographers

00:28:27to create demos

00:28:28and music videos

00:28:29there was an entire machine

00:28:31to break Backstreet Boys

00:28:33into the industry

00:28:34and oftentimes

00:28:36these are things

00:28:36that an artist

00:28:37cannot afford

00:28:38on their own

00:28:39so they rely on

00:28:40someone like Lou Pearlman

00:28:42to pay for things

00:28:43in the early stages

00:28:44that they will then

00:28:46pay them back for

00:28:47later on

00:28:49the early days

00:28:50of Backstreet Boys

00:28:51they got like a stipend

00:28:52every week

00:28:53and then Lou put them

00:28:54all in a house together

00:29:01it was a beautiful mansion

00:29:03he had a covered pool

00:29:06he had the house

00:29:07he had the limousines

00:29:10he had the planes

00:29:1314 year old

00:29:14you're in this house

00:29:15of this guy

00:29:16who's got

00:29:16a gaggle of money

00:29:18I'll never forget

00:29:19he had a

00:29:20Mexican coke

00:29:21vending machine

00:29:22glass bottle

00:29:23it was the best shit

00:29:24in the world

00:29:24and he's got like

00:29:26C-3PO statue

00:29:27and Darth Vader

00:29:28and a screen

00:29:29that comes out

00:29:30of the ceiling

00:29:31to watch movies

00:29:31and you're like

00:29:32this guy's cool

00:29:33well he's like

00:29:34Tony Stark

00:29:34except minus the tech

00:29:36definitely not

00:29:36as good looking

00:29:37as Tony Stark

00:29:38let's just say that

00:29:38he was like

00:29:39five Tony Starks

00:29:40in one

00:29:41he gave gifts

00:29:42he took them out

00:29:43to dinners

00:29:44he was the one

00:29:45that funded everything

00:29:46he drove them around

00:29:47in the limos

00:29:48I never liked Lou Pearlman

00:29:50ever

00:29:50and I had a vibe

00:29:52about him

00:29:52that I just didn't trust

00:29:56you know

00:29:57how you doing

00:29:58well let's go get a steak

00:29:59always had pretty people

00:30:00around him

00:30:03you had this guy

00:30:04who took

00:30:05three and a half million dollars

00:30:06which he could have

00:30:07put in stock market

00:30:08could have bought

00:30:09a piece of property

00:30:10and flipped it

00:30:10he could have done

00:30:11other things

00:30:12that were more secure

00:30:14than putting it

00:30:15into your music career

00:30:17it makes you start

00:30:18to second guess

00:30:20nobody really stopped

00:30:21to think

00:30:22why

00:30:29if you're coming

00:30:30from a household

00:30:30where a father

00:30:31isn't present

00:30:32and you have a guy

00:30:33who

00:30:34hanging out with you

00:30:36helping you

00:30:37and putting money

00:30:37in your pocket

00:30:38you kind of gravitate

00:30:40to that person

00:30:44that was the nickname

00:30:46they gave him

00:30:47big papa

00:30:49I mean it was just like

00:30:52parental figure

00:30:53slash like

00:30:54best friend

00:30:55kind of relationship

00:30:57for me

00:30:58I grew up

00:31:00being raised

00:31:00by my mom

00:31:01and my grandparents

00:31:03when I was two

00:31:04my parents

00:31:05divorced

00:31:06so after my parents

00:31:07split up

00:31:08my dad picked me up

00:31:09when I was about

00:31:10eight

00:31:11to go see

00:31:12my nana

00:31:13which was his mom

00:31:14for her birthday

00:31:15that was the last time

00:31:16I saw him

00:31:16until I was 17

00:31:19in that moment

00:31:20in that time

00:31:21some of the boys

00:31:22looked up to Lou

00:31:23Kevin had lost

00:31:25his father

00:31:25unfortunately

00:31:26before we started

00:31:28Backstreet Boys

00:31:28passed away

00:31:29when he was 19

00:31:31from cancer

00:31:32he immediately

00:31:33kind of had that

00:31:35relationship with Lou

00:31:36where he did look up

00:31:37to him like

00:31:38a father figure

00:31:41then there was a problem

00:31:44we thought

00:31:45this record

00:31:46we got it going

00:31:47I was going to be a smash

00:31:48the single that we tried

00:31:49to promote in the U.S.

00:31:50and nobody wanted to play it

00:31:52music had gone more

00:31:53rock and grunge

00:31:55so there was no room

00:31:56for a boy band

00:31:57like everybody

00:31:58poo-pooed on it

00:31:59let me tell you

00:32:00let me give you the tea

00:32:02at that point

00:32:03we're feeling

00:32:05you know

00:32:05somewhat accomplished

00:32:06we've won a Grammy

00:32:07we won an American Music Award

00:32:08we've been touring the world

00:32:09you know

00:32:10we've been releasing songs

00:32:11and having success

00:32:13guys one more shot

00:32:14and one day

00:32:16we got this young group

00:32:17called the Backstreet Boys

00:32:18they went to see

00:32:19what a tour bus

00:32:19looked like

00:32:20we invited them

00:32:21on our tour bus

00:32:21in Orlando

00:32:22we're talking to them

00:32:23and trying to give them

00:32:24advice you know

00:32:25and they were really

00:32:26cool kids then

00:32:27and like

00:32:28there is no competitions

00:32:29because at the end of the day

00:32:30the thing

00:32:31that matters

00:32:33first and foremost

00:32:34is hit records

00:32:36because there's a lot

00:32:37of talented people

00:32:38and you can sing

00:32:38their faces off

00:32:39what's the difference

00:32:40between them and us

00:32:41hit records

00:32:42right

00:32:47nobody wanted to play

00:32:48the Backstreet Boys

00:32:49in the United States

00:32:50so me

00:32:51have being involved

00:32:52with other bands

00:32:53who played

00:32:54all over Europe

00:32:55and the world

00:32:55and keeping my Rolodex

00:32:57of different people

00:32:58that I met along the way

00:32:59we had booked

00:33:00the Backstreet Boys

00:33:01to play in Germany

00:33:13one more time

00:33:15you could see

00:33:16the girls in the audience

00:33:17as mouse dropped

00:33:18and the place went crazy

00:33:25and even without

00:33:26social media

00:33:27just to spread

00:33:28a word of mouth

00:33:29like these guys

00:33:29from America

00:33:30or something

00:33:31and then that's

00:33:31when it kicked off

00:33:32for us

00:33:35their single

00:33:36went to number one

00:33:38in like eight weeks

00:33:38and then it was on

00:33:44first of all

00:33:45it is an amazing thing

00:33:46to have the ability

00:33:47to bring so much

00:33:48joy and happiness

00:33:49to people

00:33:50you may never know

00:33:51on a personal level

00:33:52around the world

00:33:55through music

00:33:56through performance

00:33:57is a blessing

00:33:59they did all the TV shows

00:34:01hello

00:34:01we're the Backstreet Boys

00:34:03Nick you are

00:34:04the biggest

00:34:05womanizer

00:34:06but now I heard

00:34:08every girl

00:34:09was screaming

00:34:09like Nick

00:34:10Nick

00:34:11we were playing

00:34:1230,000 seat stadiums

00:34:14so now they're blowing up

00:34:15and now our record label

00:34:17is saying

00:34:18oh y'all need to be like

00:34:21them

00:34:21so I'm like

00:34:22well we were out

00:34:23before they were

00:34:24and why can't there be

00:34:26enough room

00:34:26and space

00:34:27for them to be them

00:34:29they have their lane

00:34:30and they're killing it

00:34:31in their lane

00:34:31and we have our lane

00:34:33and the fan base

00:34:33and we're killing it

00:34:34in our lane

00:34:36I think it makes you

00:34:37question your talent

00:34:40because it's like

00:34:40you must think

00:34:42that I'm not good enough

00:34:43to be me

00:34:44if you're telling me

00:34:46I need to be him

00:34:51my name is

00:34:52Jeff Timmons

00:34:52I am the founding member

00:34:54of a group called

00:34:5498 Degrees

00:34:55our path was

00:34:56dramatically different

00:34:57than Backstreet

00:34:59and Boys to Men's path

00:35:00and all for one

00:35:02I mean we would have

00:35:03much preferred to have

00:35:04this monster behemoth

00:35:06label push behind us

00:35:07but we didn't have it

00:35:08we were four kids

00:35:09from Ohio

00:35:10we moved to North Hollywood

00:35:12the summer of 95

00:35:13and really for us

00:35:14it was all about

00:35:15all those old school ways

00:35:16of just trying to get out there

00:35:18we had a motorhome

00:35:21wrapped with our picture

00:35:22and we would do a show

00:35:24and I would drive

00:35:25for six hours

00:35:26to the next city

00:35:27we'd go to Kinko's

00:35:28we'd print out our flyers

00:35:29going up and down the beach

00:35:31just handing out flyers

00:35:32to girls on the beach

00:35:32like alright

00:35:33how else are we

00:35:33going to get noticed

00:35:34we literally put the hat down

00:35:36and you sing for money

00:35:37and for food

00:35:39show up on a street corner

00:35:40just sing

00:35:41we go to Taco Bell

00:35:42sing

00:35:42we go to Fatburger

00:35:44sing

00:35:44can we get a free burger

00:35:45we scrapped

00:35:46and clawed our way

00:35:47to stay afloat

00:35:48and then we thought

00:35:49eventually

00:35:50we're going to meet

00:35:51someone in LA

00:35:52who's going to know somebody

00:35:53who's going to know somebody

00:35:54and this is going to

00:35:54get us somewhere

00:36:00I had a friend

00:36:04who was a performer

00:36:05in Germany

00:36:05and she's like

00:36:06there's this group

00:36:06over here

00:36:07that's just blowing up

00:36:08called the Backstreet Boys

00:36:08and they had not yet

00:36:10broken here in the US

00:36:11similar group

00:36:12much more polished

00:36:14and I remember us going

00:36:15this is where we're going

00:36:16if we stick with it

00:36:17we're going to get

00:36:17more of this

00:36:18now we just got to practice

00:36:19and now we just need

00:36:20the opportunity

00:36:241995

00:36:25we had the single

00:36:26with Mariah

00:36:28One Sweet Day

00:36:31it was sweeping

00:36:33it was emotional

00:36:34it tugged

00:36:36at your heartstrings

00:36:37you had these two

00:36:38juggernaut musical acts

00:36:40teaming up

00:36:40I mean it was

00:36:42it was magic

00:36:43we were nominated

00:36:45we were nominated

00:36:45for six Grammys

00:36:46and Mariah was so short

00:36:50and we did not win

00:36:52one

00:36:54we took a year off

00:36:56it's just tired bro

00:36:58we were at each other's

00:36:58throats

00:36:59we cancelled

00:37:00the European tour

00:37:03and we came home

00:37:05and nobody was feeling us

00:37:07like people were done

00:37:09with us

00:37:10and with our

00:37:13era

00:37:13of music

00:37:14and it shifted to

00:37:16the boy bands

00:37:18and

00:37:19they look nothing like us

00:37:21Motown Records

00:37:23our label in particular

00:37:24made it painfully obvious

00:37:26that they were done

00:37:26they were done with us

00:37:28and

00:37:29the pendulum

00:37:30has shifted

00:37:30that's right

00:37:31this song right here

00:37:32there is more choice

00:37:33because we want to

00:37:34make tribute to Motown

00:37:35we signed to Motown Records

00:37:37and for those of you

00:37:38that don't know

00:37:39it's a legendary

00:37:40record label

00:37:40that has such great artists

00:37:42like

00:37:43Stevie Wonder

00:37:43Marvin Gaye

00:37:45The Four Tops

00:37:46The Temptation

00:37:46and right now

00:37:48it's got great artists

00:37:49like

00:37:49Boyz II Men

00:37:51anybody like Boyz II Men?

00:37:54I'd be lying

00:37:55if I didn't say

00:37:55come on

00:37:56this is insane

00:37:58they were the first

00:37:59white band

00:38:00on the black label

00:38:02they'd give us

00:38:02this song

00:38:03called Invisible Man

00:38:04and

00:38:05turns out

00:38:05it was submitted

00:38:06for Boyz II Men

00:38:07by a couple writers

00:38:08in Vancouver, Canada

00:38:09and the president

00:38:10of Motown

00:38:11heard it

00:38:11he said

00:38:12no I don't want this

00:38:12for Boyz II Men

00:38:13I want 90 Degrees

00:38:14to take this record

00:38:14this song is called

00:38:15Invisible Man

00:38:17it's textbook

00:38:19do

00:38:19black music

00:38:21with white faces

00:38:24Pat Boone

00:38:25the Osmonds

00:38:27Elvis

00:38:28they were all

00:38:28doing black music

00:38:29that is the truth

00:38:30like

00:38:31and it's a hard truth

00:38:32it's no dist

00:38:3390 Degrees

00:38:35NSYNC

00:38:35Backstreet

00:38:36any of those guys

00:38:36like

00:38:37they were just

00:38:38kids trying to

00:38:39make it too

00:38:40I hate to say it

00:38:42just crass

00:38:44but

00:38:45to

00:38:46the average

00:38:47white girl

00:38:48fan

00:38:51the black groups

00:38:52oh

00:38:53I'd

00:38:53him

00:38:55but the white groups

00:38:57oh I'd marry

00:38:58him

00:39:01Justin Timberlake

00:39:02on my wall

00:39:02it's more acceptable

00:39:04opposed to

00:39:05a couple of black guys

00:39:07I can marry Justin

00:39:09I can bring him

00:39:09to my house

00:39:10he can have dinner

00:39:12with my family

00:39:13it's a little harder

00:39:14to bring

00:39:16black ass

00:39:16Sean to

00:39:18rural

00:39:20Arkansas

00:39:23it's a cutthroat business

00:39:25they want the next

00:39:26hottest

00:39:27biggest thing

00:39:27or the next two acts

00:39:29they don't give two shits

00:39:29sometimes

00:39:30record companies

00:39:30and if they can be

00:39:32that cold blooded

00:39:33to the biggest music

00:39:34sensation at the time

00:39:35imagine the power

00:39:36they had over

00:39:37the new artist

00:39:42the president of Motown

00:39:44he wanted us to be

00:39:45the white Jodeci

00:39:46so

00:39:47he was trying to

00:39:48give us that

00:39:49in a crash course

00:39:50hey

00:39:51I want you guys

00:39:51to go to black churches

00:39:52in Harlem on Sundays

00:39:53let's dress these guys

00:39:54in Fugu and Fat Farm

00:39:56I remember going on

00:39:57a train

00:39:58to Rochester, New York

00:39:59to work with Devante

00:40:00from Jodeci

00:40:01and we show up

00:40:03and Devante

00:40:04is being fitted

00:40:05for a bulletproof vest

00:40:07in the studio

00:40:08and I'm looking around

00:40:09I'm like

00:40:10do we need

00:40:11a bulletproof vest?

00:40:12what did we just

00:40:13walk into?

00:40:14it does make you

00:40:15question

00:40:16well why did you sign us

00:40:17if you didn't want us

00:40:18to be who we are?

00:40:19you're trying to make us

00:40:19into something else

00:40:21you gotta remember

00:40:22we're a new act

00:40:23we're not making any money

00:40:24we don't know

00:40:25what the plan is

00:40:26and this is our shot

00:40:28we'll try it

00:40:29we'll try this

00:40:30we'll go hang out

00:40:30at Bowery Bar

00:40:31with Russell

00:40:32we'll do all these things

00:40:33we'll do whatever

00:40:34we have to do

00:40:36you go home

00:40:36you're like

00:40:37what am I

00:40:37who am I

00:40:38it starts to really

00:40:39mess with you

00:40:39mentally

00:40:42and for me

00:40:43it caused a severe

00:40:45depression

00:40:46but I felt like

00:40:47I was the weakest link

00:40:48in the group

00:40:50just didn't feel good

00:40:51about myself

00:40:51didn't feel good

00:40:52physically

00:40:52I could not sleep

00:40:53and my head

00:40:54wasn't right

00:40:56I felt so worthless

00:40:57and just the fact

00:40:59that I could not

00:41:00handle all this pressure

00:41:01that I was like

00:41:02just end it

00:41:06and I don't know

00:41:07for whatever reason

00:41:08I just thought

00:41:09no screw that

00:41:10like

00:41:11just push one more time

00:41:12like just try

00:41:14this last thing

00:41:15I went to our manager

00:41:16and I said

00:41:16I need some help

00:41:17if I don't get

00:41:18some sort of help

00:41:19I will not be here

00:41:20like this is over

00:41:21and I mean seriously

00:41:22so he found a psychiatrist

00:41:24for me to go to

00:41:25he put me on

00:41:25this Atkins diet

00:41:27put me on some medication

00:41:28within three months

00:41:30I was

00:41:30I felt better than ever

00:41:31and it didn't make

00:41:32this any easier

00:41:34but at least

00:41:35I felt better

00:41:37that I didn't want to die

00:41:38you know

00:41:40so

00:41:41thanks for sharing that

00:41:42at the time

00:41:44I kept hearing rumblings

00:41:45from the same people

00:41:47who had told me

00:41:48about Lou

00:41:49when I had my first meeting

00:41:50that Lou had another boy man

00:41:55and every time

00:41:56I would call Lou

00:41:57I'd say

00:41:58what's this

00:41:58I'm hearing about

00:41:59no I don't have

00:42:00another boy man

00:42:00no I don't have

00:42:01I don't know what you're

00:42:01talking about

00:42:02people are lying

00:42:03there's another boy man

00:42:04out there

00:42:05but I have nothing

00:42:05to do with them

00:42:12all right

00:42:12so I got some of my

00:42:13awards and stuff

00:42:14I have a storage unit

00:42:15full of stuff

00:42:16and it's

00:42:17I would love to have

00:42:18everything out in display

00:42:20if I could

00:42:21I really would

00:42:21because it does mean a lot

00:42:23to me

00:42:23it's my life

00:42:24it's a lot of my

00:42:25it's all of my career

00:42:26what I really

00:42:27started doing

00:42:28this is what really

00:42:30started it all

00:42:33Disney wanted to make

00:42:34Orlando Hollywood East

00:42:36at one point

00:42:36you had all the theme parks

00:42:38that at that time

00:42:38had dancers

00:42:40singers

00:42:41all levels of performers

00:42:43back in the day

00:42:44I was doing a Beetlejuice show

00:42:45at Universal

00:42:47and I was in a group

00:42:48with this kid named Jason

00:42:49and two other friends of mine

00:42:52and then I run into Chris

00:42:54who actually worked

00:42:56at Universal

00:42:57there's always

00:42:59speculations of

00:43:00how the group got together

00:43:01people are going to say

00:43:02so many different things

00:43:03but I will say

00:43:05Lou told Chris

00:43:06basically

00:43:06I don't want to do an audition

00:43:07go out and find

00:43:09and Chris did

00:43:11Chris brought the guys together

00:43:12Lou Perlman

00:43:14financially helped that

00:43:16and Lynn Harless

00:43:17which is Justin's mom

00:43:18came up with the name

00:43:19NSYNC

00:43:21Lynn was like

00:43:22oh y'all names

00:43:23last letter of your first name

00:43:24spells NSYNC

00:43:25and you're like

00:43:26what do you mean

00:43:26it's like

00:43:26well you got N

00:43:27for Justin

00:43:28you have S

00:43:30for Chris

00:43:31C-H-R-I-S

00:43:32so there's N-S-Y

00:43:34you got Joey for the Y

00:43:35so N-S-Y-N

00:43:38which was Jason

00:43:38for the other N

00:43:39and then JC for the C

00:43:41so that was NSYNC

00:43:42funny guy

00:43:44when we started

00:43:45we were definitely boys

00:43:47I mean you had

00:43:47Justin who was 14

00:43:48and you had Chris

00:43:49who was 23, 24 at the time

00:43:51so it's a 10 year gap

00:43:52pretty much between them

00:43:54wow

00:43:58so the five of us

00:44:00got together

00:44:01we sang

00:44:01everything was great

00:44:02we're gonna sign

00:44:02with Transcontinental

00:44:03which was Lou Perlman's

00:44:04independent record label

00:44:05and all of a sudden

00:44:06we go to sign

00:44:08and Jason doesn't show up

00:44:10and we're like

00:44:12what happened

00:44:18Jason

00:44:20that's the guy

00:44:20that quit NSYNC

00:44:24he was a good friend of mine

00:44:25and his dad was my course teacher

00:44:28in high school

00:44:29what I want to do

00:44:30is sit with Jason

00:44:31and have a conversation

00:44:32and to hear his side of it

00:44:35what's up

00:44:37what up dog

00:44:38what up dog

00:44:40what up dog

00:44:40what good brother

00:44:41how you doing man

00:44:42good to see you man

00:44:43good to see you man

00:44:43good to see you guys

00:44:44we're doing this whole documentary

00:44:44that's why I have you

00:44:45so obviously people

00:44:47don't know

00:44:47it's almost like

00:44:48you know

00:44:48the fifth Beatle

00:44:49or whatever the f***

00:44:49in that sense

00:44:50but it's more or less

00:44:50for us

00:44:51it's getting the story across

00:44:53that no one's ever

00:44:54really heard before

00:44:54oh

00:44:55hi

00:44:58so the full story

00:44:59with NSYNC

00:45:01I had no idea

00:45:03what was gonna happen

00:45:04and also

00:45:04I was a stupid kid

00:45:05I've never seen

00:45:07a music contract before

00:45:08so I was smart enough

00:45:10back then

00:45:11to take the contracts

00:45:12to lawyers

00:45:13to review them

00:45:15and

00:45:16it's like

00:45:16whoa

00:45:17whoa

00:45:17what

00:45:18lose

00:45:19lose a member

00:45:19of the band now

00:45:22referring

00:45:22both the Backstreet Boys

00:45:23are NSYNC

00:45:24there was a contract

00:45:26and the way Lou

00:45:27always structured

00:45:28the companies

00:45:28was he was the 51% owner

00:45:32but

00:45:32he was also

00:45:33one sixth member

00:45:35of the Backstreet Boys

00:45:37and NSYNC

00:45:38so he got a sixth

00:45:39of their side

00:45:40of the 49

00:45:42all I can say

00:45:43is I'm so proud

00:45:43of these guys

00:45:45there's a paragraph

00:45:46where it said

00:45:46if they do an outside business

00:45:48while they're a member

00:45:50of the Backstreet Boys

00:45:51management was still

00:45:52entitled to a commission

00:45:54and Brian said

00:45:55so you mean

00:45:56if I go and get

00:45:57a hot dog stand

00:45:58while I'm in this group

00:45:59you guys get a piece of that

00:46:01and we're like

00:46:01yeah

00:46:02because anything

00:46:02you're using your name for

00:46:03that we're helping you promote

00:46:05that's going to bring

00:46:06goodwill into another business

00:46:07we should get paid for it

00:46:09the music industry

00:46:10the music industry is one of the

00:46:11very few industries where

00:46:12you don't have to go to school for it

00:46:15yet

00:46:15you're thrown in it

00:46:16and record contracts

00:46:19you've never seen

00:46:20any of this

00:46:21words salad in your life

00:46:25and

00:46:26all of this

00:46:27you learn on the fly

00:46:28I believe 90% of the artists

00:46:30will sign a horrible record deal

00:46:32just to have one

00:46:33unfortunately

00:46:34this one was real bad

00:46:37these guys were

00:46:38teenagers

00:46:39barely even teenagers

00:46:4112 years old

00:46:4214 years old

00:46:43for Backstreet Boys

00:46:44nobody really stopped

00:46:46to think

00:46:47you boys probably

00:46:48shouldn't sign this

00:46:49until somebody

00:46:49gets a lawyer for us

00:46:51so we did

00:46:53or thought I did

00:46:56unbeknownst to me

00:46:57the attorney that they got

00:46:58was a suggestion

00:46:59from Lou

00:47:01the only attorney

00:47:02that was in the room

00:47:03when we signed it

00:47:03was his attorney

00:47:04none of us got attorneys

00:47:14I've often thought

00:47:15what if

00:47:16one of our parents

00:47:18did decide to get a lawyer

00:47:20the lawyer was there

00:47:21read the contract

00:47:22and saw that

00:47:23would Lou have dropped us

00:47:24on the spot

00:47:25or would he have changed

00:47:27the contract

00:47:31I think he would have

00:47:31dropped us

00:47:32I mean I found

00:47:33five people

00:47:34I can find another

00:47:35five people

00:47:36exactly

00:47:36and he did

00:47:38bye bye everyone

00:47:40as far as

00:47:40NSYNC is concerned

00:47:42Lou sat down with us

00:47:43and said hey

00:47:43you know what

00:47:44I love to do this

00:47:45A B C and D

00:47:46and I know that

00:47:47I'm going to look out

00:47:48for your best interest

00:47:48from saying that

00:47:49if I become a sixth member

00:47:50with you guys

00:47:51that means we all split it

00:47:53we'll all share it

00:47:53but I'm going to look out

00:47:54for your best interest

00:47:55I'm like

00:47:56I split five

00:47:57six ways

00:47:57that seems pretty

00:47:59pretty reasonable

00:48:00since thinking

00:48:01that's the only thing

00:48:02he's getting

00:48:02now look

00:48:03obviously you want to make

00:48:04a decision

00:48:06that's using

00:48:06your best judgment

00:48:08but when you're out there

00:48:09grinding

00:48:09and you have no money

00:48:11and you're in a competitive

00:48:12landscape

00:48:12and in a business

00:48:13that's a dream

00:48:14to actually achieve

00:48:15and the fact

00:48:16that someone handed me

00:48:17a piece of paper

00:48:18making it official

00:48:18you're going to justify

00:48:20in your brain

00:48:22that it's something

00:48:23that's legit

00:48:24so we signed a deal

00:48:25the four of us

00:48:28at that juncture

00:48:30within NSYNC

00:48:31it didn't feel right

00:48:33so I didn't do it

00:48:37JC was pissed

00:48:38calling me like

00:48:39what are you doing

00:48:40what are you doing

00:48:41and I don't blame them

00:48:42I kind of left them

00:48:43high and dry

00:48:44so I get it

00:48:45I'd be pissed at me too

00:48:49after NSYNC

00:48:50I went back to college

00:48:51she got my degree

00:48:52and then a buddy of mine

00:48:54I went to school with

00:48:55he was in the mortgage business

00:48:56and I've been doing that

00:48:58ever since

00:49:04you're always going to be

00:49:05you know

00:49:05have your what if moments

00:49:07you know

00:49:07it's just human nature

00:49:08you're going to

00:49:09you're going to think about that

00:49:10and have to have those

00:49:10what if moments

00:49:20I don't know

00:49:21I don't know

00:49:28so that was just

00:49:28the four of us

00:49:29and we were pretty

00:49:30bent out of shape

00:49:31because we were

00:49:32we were on the verge

00:49:33of doing stuff

00:49:34so then we tried

00:49:35to find a bass singer

00:49:40well I grew up

00:49:41in a little town

00:49:41called Ellisville Mississippi

00:49:44it was a town

00:49:45of 2,000 people

00:49:46very small

00:49:47country town

00:49:47a place you didn't

00:49:48lock your doors

00:49:49you knew every single

00:49:50person in town

00:49:53you know

00:49:53you didn't go home

00:49:54until the street lights

00:49:55came on

00:49:55that was your sign

00:49:56and very conservative

00:49:57I was in church

00:49:59three times a week

00:50:00it was all about family

00:50:02it was all about religion

00:50:03I was always in choir

00:50:04singing in church

00:50:07so you never really

00:50:08had a dream

00:50:08that I could be

00:50:09an entertainer

00:50:11when I was 16

00:50:12I had a girlfriend

00:50:13at the time

00:50:14it was getting ready

00:50:16for my homecoming

00:50:17parade

00:50:17I got home

00:50:18from helping

00:50:20build the float

00:50:20and my mom

00:50:22was on the phone

00:50:23with Lou Pearlman

00:50:24and Justin Timberlake

00:50:26and his mom Lynn

00:50:26they'd found me

00:50:27through my coach

00:50:28for another show car

00:50:29that I was in

00:50:30and they're putting

00:50:30this band together

00:50:31and see if you want

00:50:33to be the bass singer

00:50:34think about how

00:50:34random that is though

00:50:36somebody randomly

00:50:36calls you out of

00:50:37Mississippi to say

00:50:38hey these four guys

00:50:39want to audition you

00:50:40in a group

00:50:40hey tell your mom

00:50:41to come to Florida

00:50:42we'll fly them out

00:50:43my mom was like

00:50:44no I'm not interested

00:50:45and hung up

00:50:45and that was it

00:50:47the second time

00:50:48that they called

00:50:49somehow

00:50:50my mom

00:50:52thought it was okay

00:50:53for us to fly to Orlando

00:50:54and just meet the guys

00:50:56I was so nervous

00:50:57these guys were

00:50:59insanely talented

00:51:03I definitely felt like

00:51:05you know

00:51:06imposter syndrome

00:51:07for sure

00:51:08I mean the 16 year old

00:51:09kids never left their town

00:51:10all of a sudden

00:51:11pretending they're

00:51:12a great singer

00:51:12pretending they're

00:51:13a great dancer

00:51:14I just felt like

00:51:15I was pretending

00:51:15the whole time

00:51:16which suited me

00:51:17because I was pretending

00:51:18to be a lot of things

00:51:19at the time

00:51:23some of my first memories

00:51:24were knowing

00:51:25that I was different

00:51:26in kindergarten

00:51:27I remember having

00:51:28like a little crush

00:51:29on the boy

00:51:30instead of the girl

00:51:31and I knew

00:51:32at that time

00:51:33that that was not right

00:51:34you just knew it

00:51:35from what you know

00:51:36people say in the churches

00:51:38all the jokes made

00:51:39about gay people

00:51:39so at an early age

00:51:41you knew

00:51:41that those feelings

00:51:42had to be suppressed

00:51:46so I hid that part

00:51:48of myself

00:51:50and the older I got

00:51:51I did not like myself

00:51:54it just felt lonely

00:51:56felt very lonely

00:51:57I felt like I was

00:51:58on an island

00:51:58because I couldn't

00:51:59talk to anyone

00:52:00I felt broke

00:52:02when I joined NSYNC

00:52:04it was always alluded

00:52:05that your private life

00:52:06always needed

00:52:06to be hidden

00:52:08if we were

00:52:09to come out

00:52:10as gay

00:52:10if to come out

00:52:11even having a girlfriend

00:52:13that it would really

00:52:14hurt our career

00:52:15that that

00:52:16that needed to be hidden

00:52:18and so

00:52:19that always translated

00:52:20to me

00:52:21it was like

00:52:22never come out

00:52:23never come out

00:52:26this one little thing

00:52:28just destroys

00:52:29all of that

00:52:55I started in the

00:52:56entertainment business

00:52:57back in the 90s

00:52:58and I started

00:52:59with the boy band

00:53:00Craze in Orlando, Florida

00:53:02for NSYNC

00:53:03I started as

00:53:03their personal assistant

00:53:04I didn't work for Lou

00:53:06and I didn't work for Johnny

00:53:06I worked for

00:53:07the five guys directly

00:53:09the first time

00:53:10I ever saw them perform

00:53:11I said

00:53:12get rid of that kid

00:53:13he was a good dancer

00:53:15but

00:53:15he was very nasally

00:53:18and it was Justin

00:53:19I'm rolling down the street

00:53:20and the music is bumping

00:53:21I really said that

00:53:23boy I was wrong

00:53:25boy I was wrong

00:53:28I realized

00:53:29I realized that Lance

00:53:29was gay

00:53:30we were on the bus

00:53:31and I was making

00:53:32a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

00:53:33and he goes

00:53:35what are you doing

00:53:35he goes no no no

00:53:36he grabbed the styrofoam cup

00:53:37and he grabbed the peanut butter

00:53:38and put it in the styrofoam cup

00:53:39and then he grabbed jelly

00:53:40you can't just do peanut butter and jelly

00:53:43you have to mix it together

00:53:44it's a different consistency

00:53:45it's a different flavor

00:53:47try it

00:53:48I'm telling you

00:53:49he goes

00:53:50try mine

00:53:50and I try his

00:53:51I'm like

00:53:52I go Lance

00:53:53are you kidding me dude

00:53:54this is the greatest thing

00:53:56I've ever tasted

00:53:56this is unbelievable

00:53:57he goes

00:53:58yeah Joe

00:53:58I told you

00:53:59I said but also

00:54:00this is the gayest thing

00:54:01I've ever done

00:54:02and he looked at me

00:54:03and his whole face turned red

00:54:04and he ran off the bus

00:54:08there was a lot of times

00:54:09where if people said

00:54:10trigger words

00:54:11I probably would freeze up

00:54:12and you would just kind of

00:54:14kind of like Homer Simpson

00:54:15back into the bushes

00:54:16you're like

00:54:16I'm just going to

00:54:17just disappear right now

00:54:20in the group

00:54:20it was really interesting

00:54:21because I was the first one

00:54:22to find out

00:54:24we go out one night

00:54:25we all go back to Lance's house

00:54:26I pass out

00:54:27in one of his guest bedrooms

00:54:28I wake up at like

00:54:29three o'clock in the morning

00:54:30I'm like

00:54:30oh I gotta leave

00:54:32I go to his bedroom

00:54:33but there was nobody in there

00:54:34and I go to his office

00:54:35and I open up the door

00:54:36and he's sitting there

00:54:37and there's a guy

00:54:38straddled on top of him

00:54:41I was at my computer

00:54:43and my boyfriend

00:54:45at the time

00:54:45my very very first boyfriend

00:54:47was sitting on my lap

00:54:48not naked

00:54:49but there's straddled on top

00:54:50and I was like

00:54:53got quiet

00:54:53and he was like

00:54:54oh sorry

00:54:54I'm like no no no no

00:54:55come in come in

00:54:56I was like

00:54:57surprise

00:54:57you know bro

00:54:58I said honestly

00:55:00your mom's gonna kill you

00:55:01that's all I said to him

00:55:03and he's like

00:55:03oh please

00:55:03I don't care

00:55:04I'm like okay

00:55:05and I knew he wouldn't care

00:55:06but it was just so nice

00:55:07to hear those words

00:55:09and finally one of the members

00:55:10of your group

00:55:11know and be like

00:55:13I don't care

00:55:14he goes

00:55:14just don't tell anybody

00:55:15I don't want to tell anybody yet

00:55:17it's not right

00:55:17I go

00:55:18Lance I love you

00:55:19I said you're my brother

00:55:21you let me know

00:55:21when it's right for you to tell

00:55:22I'm not saying nothing to the guys

00:55:24because I found out by accident

00:55:28we were such a family

00:55:29for so many reasons

00:55:31you know

00:55:31being fish out of water

00:55:32in this weird situation

00:55:35it bonds you

00:55:36because you're stuck

00:55:37with each other

00:55:37then on top of that

00:55:38we were the

00:55:41redheaded stepchild

00:55:42JC

00:55:46it was kind of like

00:55:47the secret little thing

00:55:48we had with Lou Perlman

00:55:49because of the boys

00:55:51the Backstreet Boys

00:55:51you know

00:55:52they couldn't know about us

00:55:56I worked for Lou

00:55:57driving his limo

00:55:59filling his fridge

00:56:01I definitely remember

00:56:04being in his office

00:56:05you know

00:56:06Backstreet Boys

00:56:07were hitting

00:56:07and they had started

00:56:09in sync

00:56:10without Backstreet Boys knowing

00:56:11and then

00:56:12brought Johnny

00:56:13right in to manage them

00:56:14and I remember

00:56:15being in a meeting

00:56:16with Lou and Johnny

00:56:17like

00:56:17they were talking about

00:56:18how are we going to

00:56:19navigate this

00:56:20it was pretty intense

00:56:21at that time

00:56:24for NSYNC

00:56:25we gave them

00:56:25the same producers

00:56:26the same writers

00:56:27took them to Germany

00:56:28so that was

00:56:29where our strategy

00:56:30was with those two

00:56:32but Lou didn't want

00:56:34the Backstreet Boys

00:56:35to know

00:56:35that he was creating

00:56:37a new band

00:56:37and I was now

00:56:38going to manage NSYNC

00:56:39but one day

00:56:41I fly to Utah

00:56:42to see the Backstreet Boys

00:56:43and be about

00:56:44the video shoot

00:56:45and Kevin and Brian

00:56:46come into my room

00:56:47and they go

00:56:47why did you lie to us

00:56:50and it was very uncomfortable

00:56:52definitely in their mind

00:56:53as a betrayal

00:56:56we all got the wool

00:56:57pulled over our eyes

00:56:58as the entire world knows

00:56:59that was the one

00:57:00biggest question we had

00:57:01just

00:57:03why did you do this

00:57:04why couldn't you

00:57:05just be happy

00:57:07with

00:57:08us

00:57:09and the way things were

00:57:11there was a little bit of

00:57:13oh should I do this

00:57:15because you don't want

00:57:15one group

00:57:16mad

00:57:17that we have

00:57:18another group

00:57:18just the same

00:57:20they felt

00:57:21we were greedy

00:57:23I'll say

00:57:24I'm guilty

00:57:25but then when you said

00:57:26at the other side

00:57:27why should I let

00:57:28someone else

00:57:30get an NSYNC

00:57:31and do the same thing

00:57:33if you're going

00:57:34to have competition

00:57:35let it be by

00:57:36two acts

00:57:37that I represent

00:57:38so that I know

00:57:39how to manage

00:57:40the movement

00:57:41so neither one of you

00:57:42are hurt by it

00:57:44Lou always equated

00:57:45to this

00:57:46you have Burger King

00:57:47and McDonald's

00:57:49and in some cities

00:57:50Burger King sits right

00:57:51next to McDonald's

00:57:52people have a choice

00:57:54but they both survive

00:57:55so you guys can survive

00:57:56and I said

00:57:57I'll make that promise

00:57:58to you

00:57:58that you guys

00:57:59will have your lane

00:58:00they'll have theirs

00:58:00and that's what I

00:58:02the word that I kept

00:58:03until

00:58:03we had booked

00:58:05the Backstreet Boys

00:58:06to play the Disney

00:58:07concert series

00:58:10it was like almost

00:58:11two years

00:58:11that we were

00:58:11busting our asses

00:58:12to get to nowhere

00:58:13for a while

00:58:14we did the grind

00:58:15you know

00:58:15we did the small

00:58:16little bars

00:58:17and clubs everywhere

00:58:18and it kept us

00:58:19growing and getting better

00:58:21and I remember

00:58:22one time

00:58:22NSYNC was opening

00:58:23for us

00:58:24and they um

00:58:25they came out

00:58:26and did

00:58:26I want you back

00:58:26and it was all

00:58:27you know

00:58:27all the choreography

00:58:28was happening

00:58:29I'm just sitting there

00:58:29like holy shit

00:58:31we are

00:58:31it was like

00:58:33they're never opening

00:58:34for us ever again

00:58:35this is the first

00:58:36and last time

00:58:37that they will ever

00:58:37open for us

00:58:40NSYNC was very

00:58:41together in their

00:58:42choreography

00:58:42I saw boys that

00:58:44were working hard

00:58:44to get their dream

00:58:45but they needed a break

00:58:46to become popular

00:58:48Disney wanted to put

00:58:49on a concert

00:58:50in their parks

00:58:51and we saw that

00:58:52the offers were

00:58:53for Backstreet

00:58:53and Johnny went

00:58:54to the boys

00:58:54and they didn't

00:58:55want to do it

00:58:56they just felt

00:58:57why the hell

00:58:57are we doing Disney

00:58:58when we're on the

00:58:59front cover of

00:58:59Rolling Stone

00:59:00well just go ahead

00:59:01and show you

00:59:01why you should

00:59:04Johnny Wright

00:59:05managed both groups

00:59:06NSYNC was so

00:59:07polished and ready

00:59:07they slipped in

00:59:09this is the first

00:59:10concert we did

00:59:11for NSYNC

00:59:19thanks Backstreet Boys

00:59:24that break

00:59:25that they got

00:59:25at Disney

00:59:26was well deserved

00:59:27because they were

00:59:28so good

00:59:28and then boom

00:59:33and that catapulted

00:59:35them to the top

00:59:40NSYNC was like

00:59:41covering at 66

00:59:42with the album

00:59:44then the Backstreet Boys

00:59:46album was sitting

00:59:46at number four

00:59:48and all of a sudden

00:59:49the NSYNC album

00:59:50jumped it

00:59:51and went to number two

00:59:54nobody was bigger

00:59:55than them at that time

00:59:56but there is a side

00:59:57that's not so glamorous

01:00:02and that goes

01:00:03from the fans

01:00:04from the actual

01:00:06principals and artists

01:00:07from the crew

01:00:08you get threats

01:00:09a 17 year old

01:00:11teenager planned

01:00:12to steal guns

01:00:13to kill five

01:00:14musicians at an arena

01:00:15all because of

01:00:17NSYNC's popularity

01:00:18with girls

01:00:19one day we found out

01:00:20there was a bomb threat

01:00:21while we were out

01:00:21on tour

01:00:22the management

01:00:23of the band

01:00:24are taking this threat

01:00:25very seriously

01:00:31there was a girl

01:00:33that pulled a gun

01:00:34once

01:00:35if I didn't let her

01:00:36meet somebody

01:00:37she waved a gun

01:00:38and then she ran away

01:00:41my behavior changed

01:00:42after that

01:00:44you become a more aware

01:00:46you realize that

01:00:47at any moment

01:00:48something could happen

01:00:51you'll see

01:00:52a Bieber cancel a tour

01:00:54you'll see a Shawn Mendes

01:00:55cancel a tour

01:00:56because my mental health

01:00:57needs to come first

01:00:58that was not an option

01:01:00when we were out there

01:01:02you went out there

01:01:03and you did the show

01:01:04and you came back

01:01:05after the show

01:01:05and you broke down

01:01:06and you cried

01:01:07and you kicked a hole

01:01:08in a wall

01:01:08or you did whatever

01:01:09you had to do

01:01:11but you didn't bow out

01:01:12you worked so hard

01:01:13to get there

01:01:13you can't let your foot

01:01:14off the gas

01:01:16this is going to sound

01:01:17super shady

01:01:18but when we first went out

01:01:19I remember on our first tour

01:01:20someone at the label

01:01:21gave us a book

01:01:22and it was the age of consent

01:01:23in every state

01:01:24in the country

01:01:24and we kept that book

01:01:26on the tour bus

01:01:28they're hot

01:01:29they're gorgeous

01:01:29we want to see them

01:01:30they have it all

01:01:32unfortunately

01:01:33there were people out there

01:01:34looking to tear you down

01:01:37Dick will you marry me please

01:01:39there will be none of that

01:01:40it's hard to not have

01:01:42a squeaky clean image

01:01:43when you're

01:01:44kind of a

01:01:45a teen heartthrob band

01:01:47or group right

01:01:47I don't think

01:01:48there's anything wrong

01:01:49with a squeaky clean image

01:01:50I mean we're just trying

01:01:51to make our moms

01:01:52and our dads

01:01:53and our families proud

01:01:55in that moment

01:01:56in that time

01:01:57I don't know my dad

01:01:59at all

01:02:00most people don't know this

01:02:02I was about 17

01:02:04something like that

01:02:05now at that point

01:02:07I'm already in the band

01:02:08for three years

01:02:12my girlfriend at the time

01:02:13drove me to this

01:02:14random house

01:02:14in the middle of nowhere

01:02:1530 minutes

01:02:16from where I was living

01:02:19we got out

01:02:20she banged on the door

01:02:21and she dipped

01:02:22and just left me there

01:02:25I was pissed

01:02:27and this guy opens the door

01:02:29and I'm like

01:02:30I am so sorry

01:02:31to bother you

01:02:33and he looked at me

01:02:34and I looked at him

01:02:35and it was like

01:02:35oh shit

01:02:36wait

01:02:37and he's like

01:02:38Alex

01:02:38and I was like

01:02:40dad

01:02:47it was a weird

01:02:48surreal moment

01:02:49I went in

01:02:51we talked for a little bit

01:02:52it was my first time

01:02:53meeting my stepmom

01:02:55he had news articles

01:02:57he had news articles

01:02:57about Backstreet Boys

01:02:58clippings

01:02:58and all these things

01:03:00and I looked at that

01:03:01like okay

01:03:02that's kind of cool

01:03:04that he's keeping up

01:03:05with my career

01:03:06even though

01:03:06we're not speaking

01:03:10and then we exchanged numbers

01:03:14and we had talked about

01:03:15going to have lunch

01:03:18but I got busy

01:03:20too many tours

01:03:21too many albums

01:03:22wasn't able to do it

01:03:23so after that

01:03:25I didn't see him

01:03:26or speak to him

01:03:27for another probably

01:03:2810 years

01:03:33Backstreet Boys

01:03:34those were my boys

01:03:37I just thought

01:03:39they were so

01:03:39effortlessly cool

01:03:42but I had no idea

01:03:45what the Backstreet Boys

01:03:47were going through

01:03:48when I was listening

01:03:49to their music

01:03:50and that's by design

01:03:52because if you were

01:03:53to let the fans in

01:03:54on everything that's

01:03:55happening behind the scenes

01:03:58the whole illusion

01:04:00would start to fall apart

01:04:06the fact that NSYNC

01:04:09was actually becoming

01:04:10more and more successful

01:04:11that's when I got the call

01:04:12from Backstreet Boys

01:04:13we need to have a meeting

01:04:15and they're like

01:04:15there's three conditions

01:04:16for you to stay our manager

01:04:18one you have to

01:04:19get rid of Lou

01:04:22you have to cut

01:04:23your management commission

01:04:24in half

01:04:24and you have to

01:04:26get rid of NSYNC

01:04:28so I said

01:04:29that's an offer

01:04:30I can refuse

01:04:31and that's when

01:04:32I told them

01:04:32okay

01:04:33if I'm not working

01:04:34with you and them

01:04:35then I have a responsibility

01:04:36to make them

01:04:37the biggest group

01:04:38in the world

01:04:38and that means

01:04:39I'm going to turn

01:04:40all my guns against you

01:04:41to make them bigger

01:04:44I found out

01:04:45there was a problem

01:04:46with the American Music Awards

01:04:48dealing with

01:04:49the Backstreet Boys

01:04:49so I said

01:04:50okay

01:04:50I'll give you NSYNC

01:04:51here is NSYNC

01:04:55yeah we'll do it

01:04:56I mean why not

01:04:56we were hungry for it

01:05:02it's crazy

01:05:03how good they were

01:05:05their harmonies

01:05:06were better than

01:05:06Backstreet's harmonies

01:05:07in my opinion

01:05:07sorry boys

01:05:09I found out

01:05:10I found out

01:05:10I found out the Backstreet Boys

01:05:11were going to put up

01:05:12a stadium tour

01:05:13so I called our agent

01:05:14and I said

01:05:15I want to put up

01:05:16a stadium tour

01:05:16two weeks before they do

01:05:20and they shut

01:05:21their stadium tour

01:05:22down to an arena tour

01:05:23because they thought

01:05:24they weren't going to be able

01:05:25to sell the tickets

01:05:28but every move

01:05:29that I found

01:05:30they were doing

01:05:30something first

01:05:31I tried to beat them

01:05:33to the punch

01:05:36success was my revenge

01:05:37in terms of record sales

01:05:39in terms of their position

01:05:40on the charts

01:05:40NSYNC really gave

01:05:42Backstreet Boys

01:05:43a run for their money

01:05:45and of course

01:05:45there were other acts

01:05:46that followed

01:05:47when they really exploded

01:05:48in popularity

01:05:50and you see

01:05:51these rabid groups

01:05:53of fans

01:05:53who were fighting over

01:05:55who was the best boy band

01:05:56it became a race

01:05:58in a sense

01:05:58you know

01:05:59MTV in the 80s and 90s

01:06:02was the go-to place

01:06:03for pop culture

01:06:04we came up with

01:06:06TRL Total Request Live

01:06:08live in the studio

01:06:09with Carson

01:06:10the show was truly

01:06:12programmed by the fans

01:06:14a lot of young girls

01:06:16would call in

01:06:17within the hour

01:06:18screaming

01:06:18because they were

01:06:19programming it

01:06:20to see

01:06:21NSYNC

01:06:22and Backstreet Boys

01:06:24and Hanson

01:06:26where you were

01:06:27on TRL

01:06:28mattered

01:06:29there's only 10 spots

01:06:30can you stay in it

01:06:32it became a competition

01:06:34it was always a mix

01:06:35of Backstreet Boys

01:06:36and NSYNC

01:06:37being number one

01:06:38number two

01:06:38so who thought

01:06:39it was bigger

01:06:40boy bands

01:06:40you couldn't like both

01:06:41that's my team

01:06:42and that's your team

01:06:43we're going

01:06:43it was that rivalry

01:06:44this

01:06:45it was the Boston Red Sox

01:06:46and the Yankees

01:06:47you can't like both teams

01:06:48sorry

01:06:49like think about it

01:06:50that's really what

01:06:51it became

01:06:51that's what it came down to

01:06:52somebody's genius

01:06:53somebody's a real genius here

01:06:54I hate to say

01:06:55who I think it is

01:06:57I really do

01:06:58I don't even want to say

01:06:59who it is

01:07:01it came from Lou

01:07:03and the reason why fans

01:07:04started taking a side

01:07:06against the other

01:07:06is because

01:07:07he would manufacture stories

01:07:10they're so cute

01:07:11oh my god

01:07:11Backstreet Boys

01:07:12are the best

01:07:13he would say something like

01:07:14hey I was with

01:07:15Backstreet Boys the other day

01:07:16and they said

01:07:17NSYNC really couldn't sing

01:07:18it was more like

01:07:19Lou would kind of

01:07:20twist a knife

01:07:21go Backstreet's doing this

01:07:23they look great

01:07:24they look really really good

01:07:25you guys should get in more shape

01:07:26and it was that kind of thing

01:07:27or this band does

01:07:28you know flips

01:07:29maybe you guys should do that too

01:07:30Lou always wanted

01:07:31those two to be at each other

01:07:33or be apart from each other

01:07:34so they would never have

01:07:36that opportunity

01:07:36to sit down

01:07:37and really talk about

01:07:38real things

01:07:40like contracts

01:07:41or money

01:07:42and so

01:07:43to me

01:07:44that's really

01:07:44what his agenda was

01:07:47when those early days

01:07:49of Backstreet Boys

01:07:49and NSYNC

01:07:50they're out there working

01:07:51and they're doing everything

01:07:52and Brinks trucks

01:07:53are coming in

01:07:54to stadiums

01:07:55taking the money away

01:07:56they're thinking

01:07:57alright on the first

01:07:58dividend check

01:07:58that we're supposed to get

01:07:59we're going to be rich

01:08:02that's not the case

01:08:05NSYNC

01:08:06sold 10 million albums

01:08:07Lou Pearlman

01:08:08gave them 10 grand

01:08:09they should have been

01:08:10millionaires

01:08:17we were heartbroken

01:08:18we were not paying

01:08:19attention to numbers

01:08:20or what we're selling

01:08:21until later on

01:08:25once Lou gave us

01:08:26each a check

01:08:26I'm like

01:08:27I need to know everything

01:08:28show me numbers

01:08:29I want to know

01:08:29what comes in

01:08:30I want to know

01:08:30what goes out

01:08:31what are we making

01:08:32what's happening

01:08:33what do we lose

01:08:36Lou

01:08:37tripled it

01:08:40Lou is the label

01:08:41then Lou is one

01:08:42of the managers

01:08:43getting paid as that

01:08:44Lou took a percentage

01:08:46of the merch

01:08:47got paid as that

01:08:48Lou took a percentage

01:08:49of the group

01:08:50got paid as that

01:08:53and then the word

01:08:54I learned

01:08:54was recoupable

01:08:56good word kids

01:08:57recoupable

01:08:59remember that

01:09:01recoupables

01:09:02are things

01:09:03that a record label

01:09:04will pay for

01:09:05during that initial process

01:09:06when they're investing

01:09:08in a new artist

01:09:10like transportation

01:09:12dinners out

01:09:13a piece of clothing

01:09:14that they need

01:09:15for a shoot

01:09:17but then when you

01:09:18start to sell records

01:09:19they take that money

01:09:20back before you

01:09:21ever get paid

01:09:23so you know

01:09:24in theory

01:09:25it seems

01:09:25okay this is

01:09:26I guess that's fair

01:09:28but they were like

01:09:29okay well here's

01:09:30the recoup stuff

01:09:30and slapped everybody

01:09:32and showed us

01:09:33a printout

01:09:34of all the stuff

01:09:34and all the money

01:09:35that we owed

01:09:36but I'm looking at it

01:09:38and I go

01:09:39shit I didn't spend that

01:09:41when did we do that

01:09:42I don't remember that

01:09:43the house that was rented

01:09:45if we were grouped

01:09:46together to dinner

01:09:46any of the recording sessions

01:09:48the best vocal coach

01:09:49the best this

01:09:50the best that

01:09:51literally tacking on

01:09:5280 million other things

01:09:53that you kept saying

01:09:54that you took care of

01:09:56where

01:09:57I thought you took care of it

01:09:58took care of it

01:09:58in the sense of

01:09:59not recouping it back

01:10:02the one where I was like

01:10:03are you kidding me

01:10:04we were shooting

01:10:05tearing up my heart

01:10:06video in Miami

01:10:07and it was around

01:10:08my birthday

01:10:09it was around

01:10:09me and Justin's birthday

01:10:10and Lou was like

01:10:11I'll buy you guys

01:10:12a gift for your birthday

01:10:13we're like sweet

01:10:13we go to Armani Exchange

01:10:15I remember I bought

01:10:16this jacket

01:10:16it was probably like

01:10:17200 bucks 250

01:10:19buys it

01:10:20and in the recoup thing

01:10:23was the jacket

01:10:26now you start painting

01:10:27a picture of

01:10:28this guy's really out

01:10:29to screw me

01:10:32but you forget

01:10:33you had this guy

01:10:34who took

01:10:35three and a half million dollars

01:10:36in putting it

01:10:37into your music career

01:10:38but he had that much

01:10:39faith in you

01:10:40and yeah

01:10:40was he based on a deal

01:10:42going to make a lion's share

01:10:43if this worked

01:10:44yeah

01:10:45he should

01:10:46because he took

01:10:47the chance

01:10:48if you

01:10:49fronted a group

01:10:50and it bombed

01:10:51who takes the loss

01:10:52moi

01:10:52the Backstreet Boys

01:10:54and NSYNC

01:10:54are two of the more

01:10:55high profile examples

01:10:56of this kind of exploitation

01:10:58but it happens

01:10:59with every single

01:11:01popular group

01:11:0598 Degrees

01:11:06we signed with Motown

01:11:07we got a very

01:11:09nominal advance

01:11:10on our contract

01:11:12we knew that all expenses

01:11:13were recoupable

01:11:14and so we took

01:11:15the opposite approach

01:11:15hey we're not paying

01:11:16for anything

01:11:16we'll take a break

01:11:17and go around the corner

01:11:18to Wendy's

01:11:18and then go back to the studio

01:11:19and then at the end

01:11:20of the session

01:11:20at 4am

01:11:21we're not going to get

01:11:22a car service

01:11:23back to Brooklyn

01:11:23we'll take the A train

01:11:25back to Brooklyn

01:11:26in the middle of winter

01:11:26four of us

01:11:27four in the morning

01:11:28standing in the subway station

01:11:30and then we realized

01:11:31it didn't matter

01:11:32you weren't going to see

01:11:33a dime from it anyway

01:11:35early on in Motown

01:11:36we'd show up to the studio

01:11:37and the whole lobby

01:11:39of our studio session

01:11:40we packed with

01:11:41other artists

01:11:42execs

01:11:43they're all smoking

01:11:44hanging out

01:11:45drinking

01:11:46ordering food

01:11:47and all that is going

01:11:48on your

01:11:49recoupment budget

01:11:51the only way

01:11:52to ever hold

01:11:53a record label

01:11:54accountable

01:11:54is to audit them

01:11:55what business

01:11:57works like that

01:11:58it's like a street hustle

01:11:59that happens in boardrooms

01:12:02and on top of that

01:12:03there was someone

01:12:04who was actually

01:12:05skimming money

01:12:06off the top

01:12:07we were at this store

01:12:09called clothes time

01:12:10it was like a clothing store

01:12:11and made an appearance

01:12:12and took pictures all day

01:12:14we were just excited

01:12:15because we got five grand

01:12:17to stand there

01:12:17five grand

01:12:18a thousand dollars a piece

01:12:21we were supposed to have been

01:12:22paid 50 grand for that

01:12:23ultimately

01:12:25we fired them

01:12:26it's the Backstreet Boys

01:12:28and the management

01:12:29okay

01:12:30sure

01:12:31you put all this money

01:12:32in to get us

01:12:33off the ground

01:12:34and I will forever

01:12:35be grateful

01:12:36but

01:12:37we're the ones out there

01:12:38doing the work

01:12:39we're the ones out there

01:12:40leaving our families

01:12:42blood sweat and tears

01:12:44you should not be getting

01:12:46the same thing we get

01:12:47there's no reason for that

01:12:49from 1993 to 1997

01:12:52Lou Pearlman earns

01:12:5410 million dollars

01:12:55from the Backstreet Boys

01:12:56the members of the band

01:12:58together

01:12:59got

01:13:00$300,000

01:13:04now what happened was

01:13:05all the groups

01:13:06we had a little party

01:13:08so I look over

01:13:09and I see Justin talking

01:13:11to Nick and Brian

01:13:12and then all the other guys

01:13:14talking to each other

01:13:15and other members

01:13:16the one thing Lou didn't want to do

01:13:18is for these guys

01:13:20to sit down

01:13:20and really talk about

01:13:22things about Lou

01:13:23that he might have lied about

01:13:25and then about a week later

01:13:27is when a German attorney

01:13:30sends a notice

01:13:32on behalf of Brian

01:13:33that they're suing me and Lou

01:13:36Brian Luttrell

01:13:37is the first one

01:13:38to launch a lawsuit

01:13:39against Lou Pearlman

01:13:40and shortly thereafter

01:13:42the other members

01:13:44from Backstreet Boys

01:13:44follow suit

01:13:45all five of the BSB lads

01:13:47are suing their former manager

01:13:49Backstreet had their lawsuit

01:13:50against Lou Pearlman

01:13:51and Johnny Wright

01:13:52which started in 1998

01:13:53and then NSYNC

01:13:55filed a lawsuit

01:13:56against Lou

01:13:57and only Lou

01:13:58in 1999

01:13:59we need to fight

01:14:00for what we have done

01:14:02throughout these

01:14:02two and a half

01:14:03three years

01:14:03that we've been

01:14:03busting our asses

01:14:04I was like

01:14:04listen we need to do this

01:14:05so it was

01:14:07a very scary

01:14:08and tough decision

01:14:10and then what happened

01:14:11he wanted to draw

01:14:13a line in the sand

01:14:14and say

01:14:14do you have a contract

01:14:15with me

01:14:16I spent this money

01:14:16if it wasn't for me

01:14:17there wouldn't be no

01:14:18them

01:14:20so they went to battle

01:14:22and then Lou

01:14:23tried to sue NSYNC

01:14:24for their name

01:14:25it's him desperate

01:14:26to try to hang on

01:14:27to something

01:14:27that he had no right to

01:14:31we were definitely nervous

01:14:33you had these guys

01:14:34you know you had Lou

01:14:35and he has all these lawyers

01:14:36and like we don't have

01:14:37that money

01:14:37we don't have anybody

01:14:38to back us up

01:14:39like that

01:14:40in that sense

01:14:41we're opening up a can

01:14:42that could mess up

01:14:43our name

01:14:43we might not even

01:14:44have a name NSYNC

01:14:45if he won

01:14:47their careers

01:14:48were back to square one

01:14:49like it was over

01:14:52I was scared

01:14:53but we were confident

01:14:54on top of that as well

01:14:56scared in the sense

01:14:57of we didn't know

01:14:57what was going to happen

01:14:58with NSYNC

01:14:59but confident enough

01:15:00that we knew

01:15:01that we were not

01:15:01in the wrong

01:15:04we went and sat

01:15:05in front of a judge

01:15:06even the way

01:15:07the judge said it was

01:15:08he says look

01:15:08if I look at a poster

01:15:10I see five guys on it

01:15:12you're not on that poster

01:15:14so how are you

01:15:14a sixth member

01:15:16but it was all legit

01:15:19and the lawyer

01:15:19said hey

01:15:20this is what we need to do

01:15:21and settle out of court

01:15:23NSYNC won the rights

01:15:23to their name

01:15:24but still had a signed

01:15:26contract with Lou Pearlman

01:15:27so both

01:15:28the Backstreet Boys

01:15:28and NSYNC

01:15:29paid a collective

01:15:31amount

01:15:31of $64 million

01:15:33to settle

01:15:34out of their contract

01:15:38when we split

01:15:39from Lou

01:15:40I think it hurt

01:15:41different levels

01:15:42for each of us

01:15:43it was disappointment

01:15:45100% disappointment

01:15:47he was

01:15:48big papa

01:15:49he was the one

01:15:51to look for

01:15:52guidance

01:15:52in certain things

01:15:53and

01:15:54you kind of

01:15:55screwed us over

01:15:56Backstreet Boys

01:15:57then turned around

01:15:58after they got big

01:15:59and sued you

01:16:00and said

01:16:01you took too much

01:16:02you took too much

01:16:03of their money

01:16:03I don't think

01:16:04they said it

01:16:05as much as

01:16:06the lawyers

01:16:07that got in the middle

01:16:08of it

01:16:09kind of blew it

01:16:10out of proportion

01:16:11in a sense

01:16:11that was Lou's mentality

01:16:13Lou was going to

01:16:14crank out

01:16:15boy band

01:16:16after boy band

01:16:17and he did

01:16:27what's up

01:16:27I'm Brad

01:16:28I'm Rich

01:16:28I'm Devin

01:16:29and we're the fool

01:16:30I was a member

01:16:31of Take 5

01:16:32when I was 12

01:16:33met Lou

01:16:34at his house

01:16:35did you audition

01:16:36that day?

01:16:36did you sing

01:16:37for him that day?

01:16:38um no

01:16:40about halfway through

01:16:41I guess I started

01:16:42to realize

01:16:42that oh

01:16:43I guess

01:16:44this has already

01:16:44been decided

01:16:45clearly there was

01:16:46no shortage

01:16:48of boy groups

01:16:49in Orlando

01:16:50to be found

01:16:53now there's

01:16:53a Latin band

01:16:54C-Note

01:16:55he did

01:16:55C-Note

01:16:56and he did

01:16:57girl groups

01:16:58too

01:17:01and they all

01:17:01came from Orlando

01:17:03cranking them out

01:17:04Lou Perlman

01:17:05bands

01:17:05cookie cutter

01:17:07can't tell them apart

01:17:08maybe the concept

01:17:09the style

01:17:10of where we're going

01:17:11might be clean cut

01:17:12and that could be

01:17:13the commonality

01:17:14every time you make

01:17:15a cake

01:17:17it always tastes

01:17:17good in the end

01:17:19if you make it right

01:17:34my name is Steven Mooney

01:17:35and I was auditioning

01:17:36to be in a boy band

01:17:38and worked with Lou Perlman

01:17:39in Transcon Records

01:17:41I was in the army

01:17:42I had to be

01:17:4519-ish

01:17:4620

01:17:46and when I got out

01:17:47I was working at

01:17:49Abercrombie & Fitch

01:17:51Nine West Shoes

01:17:52and TGI Fridays

01:17:53as a busser

01:17:55and I got approached

01:17:56by this kid

01:17:56in the mall

01:17:57and he's like

01:17:58hey I'm putting together

01:17:59a boy band

01:18:00and he's like

01:18:01can you sing

01:18:02I was like

01:18:03I've never really tried

01:18:04but I've never been told

01:18:05that I can't sing

01:18:06right

01:18:06that's when he was like

01:18:07come to my house

01:18:08and we'll sing

01:18:09and we'll see what you got

01:18:10and then go from there

01:18:13eventually I ended up

01:18:14at the house

01:18:15of one of Lou's confidants

01:18:16he's one of the guys

01:18:17in the group

01:18:18with Lou

01:18:19I mean there were

01:18:20hundreds of kids

01:18:21at this house

01:18:22and he has everybody sing

01:18:23and then he kicked

01:18:24everybody out of the house

01:18:26except for me

01:18:27and then he put his hand

01:18:28on my shoulder

01:18:28as he was walking me out

01:18:29and he's like

01:18:31hey I want you to meet

01:18:32the big guy

01:18:33I'm like

01:18:33I had no idea

01:18:34what this guy

01:18:35is talking about

01:18:36I had no idea

01:18:37who Backstreet Boys were

01:18:38I had no idea

01:18:39who NSYNC was

01:18:40no idea who Britney Spears was

01:18:41I was fresh out of the army

01:18:42but literally the next day

01:18:44I was at the office

01:18:45at 9 o'clock in the morning

01:18:46meeting Lou Brumman

01:18:48when you walk into

01:18:49the glass doors

01:18:50I see pictures of like

01:18:51Britney Spears

01:18:52Aaron Carter

01:18:53Backstreet Boys

01:18:55NSYNC

01:18:56and there's these two

01:18:58big honking doors

01:18:59at the end of this hallway

01:19:00and then he opens them up

01:19:03and there's Lou sitting there

01:19:05and he had me sing

01:19:06something acapella himself

01:19:09and that's when he's like

01:19:10you're mine

01:19:11what did you promise?

01:19:13that was going to be

01:19:14to my parents face

01:19:15I was going to be

01:19:16a millionaire

01:19:16in the next year

01:19:18had you at this point

01:19:19heard anything about

01:19:20why Backstreet or NSYNC

01:19:23was suing him?

01:19:24no he never mentioned

01:19:24why

01:19:25and all that stuff

01:19:26was settled out of court

01:19:27right

01:19:27so nobody knew why

01:19:30we haven't been introduced

01:19:31to Backstreet or NSYNC yet

01:19:32so we're just hearing

01:19:33his side of it

01:19:35like that they're just

01:19:36ungrateful

01:19:36or being greedy

01:19:37there's so many different

01:19:38other like versions

01:19:39of that story

01:19:40that can make total sense

01:19:42what was your little

01:19:4312 year old perspective

01:19:46on what Lou wanted

01:19:48from this?

01:19:50I don't know

01:19:51um

01:19:52I guess I never thought

01:19:53about what Lou wanted

01:19:54from it

01:19:56you're working three jobs

01:19:58and you're trying to

01:19:59make something yourself

01:19:59and you've got no direction

01:20:01and somebody comes in

01:20:02like a guardian angel

01:20:03and is just like

01:20:04you're an amazing person

01:20:06you've got incredible talent

01:20:07you've got a great look

01:20:08and I'm gonna make you

01:20:10a millionaire

01:20:10based on these things

01:20:11there's no better feeling

01:20:13in the world

01:20:13right?

01:20:15and he's like

01:20:16I have some ideas

01:20:17I'm putting together a band

01:20:18if that's gonna work out

01:20:19we'll find something for you

01:20:22but that was sort of

01:20:23the open-ended

01:20:24he's like

01:20:24you're gonna come

01:20:25work for me for

01:20:26you know

01:20:27however long it takes

01:20:29he made me his driver

01:20:31he's like

01:20:32JC drove for me

01:20:34Rich drove for me

01:20:35at some point

01:20:36he's like

01:20:36even Brad drove for me

01:20:39what were your first impressions

01:20:41of Lou Brown

01:20:43I don't know

01:20:45you know

01:20:46when I was still

01:20:47working for Lou

01:20:48driving his limo

01:20:49I wanted to be a rapper

01:20:50I was 19

01:20:53Rich

01:20:53and this guy Brian

01:20:54they had set up

01:20:56a meeting with Lou

01:20:57so he's like

01:20:58hey you know

01:20:58you guys are doing

01:20:59the same kind of music

01:21:00why don't you just

01:21:00come together

01:21:01as one group

01:21:02and you know

01:21:03I'll sign you

01:21:04and we're like

01:21:05okay you know

01:21:06then he disappears

01:21:07and he comes back

01:21:08I'm pretty sure

01:21:09he had like

01:21:09just some gym shorts

01:21:10on and a guitar

01:21:13you know a shirt

01:21:13and a guitar

01:21:14right

01:21:16and he's sitting there

01:21:17in front of us

01:21:17on the couch

01:21:18and he's like

01:21:19he starts playing the guitar

01:21:21so it was just

01:21:22kind of a weird

01:21:22a weird time

01:21:27he was kind enough

01:21:28to let me stay

01:21:28in his house

01:21:29as I was like

01:21:29coming up

01:21:30through these things

01:21:34but when I lived

01:21:35at that house

01:21:37and that's when

01:21:38it all came crashing down

01:21:42there's a lot of stuff

01:21:43that happened

01:21:43behind closed doors

01:21:45it didn't feel good

01:21:47something here

01:21:48is not right

01:21:49and I was not

01:21:52the only one

01:21:56I've always just said

01:21:57really nice things

01:21:58about Lou

01:21:58and I'm really grateful

01:22:00but it does feel like

01:22:01there was one member

01:22:03of each group

01:22:03that Lou was grooming

01:22:06including me

01:22:13you're on this roller coaster

01:22:14of never stopping

01:22:15how y'all doing

01:22:16or you think

01:22:18it's never gonna stop

01:22:18first time I tried drugs

01:22:21wow this is awesome

01:22:22I was so deathly afraid

01:22:24of being called

01:22:24washed up

01:22:25I was victimized

01:22:27things get a lot darker

01:22:28and a lot more bleak

01:22:29and a lot more bleak

01:22:29you

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