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00:00The following program contains distressing scenes.
00:08On a winter's night in February 1995,
00:1315-year-old Rachel Rooney arrived at a house in Bradford, West Yorkshire,
00:18to babysit seven-year-old Jonathan Copley.
00:21Neither child would live to see the sun rise.
00:25When the family returned home,
00:27they looked round the house for Rachel and Jonathan
00:30and encountered the most horrific vision that anyone could ever see.
00:38Heartbreaking. There's no other word for it.
00:41The death of those two children lingers in the mind
00:44because it was so brutal, ferocious and unnecessary in every way.
00:51Both children had been viciously stabbed to death,
00:55but investigators couldn't find any sign of a break-in.
00:59Rachel was a sensible girl.
01:01She wouldn't just have opened the door to anyone.
01:03She wouldn't have let anyone in.
01:05Rachel had allowed her common-law stepfather,
01:0834-year-old Tarek Raymond, into the home,
01:11unaware he had murder on his mind.
01:14He stabbed her 48 times.
01:18This is what we would more likely expect to see from a serial killer,
01:24not from a supposedly caring stepfather.
01:30Raymond denied killing Rachel and Jonathan,
01:33but the evidence collected at the crime scene
01:36proved he had inexplicably taken their lives
01:39before they'd barely begun.
01:41I don't really know what his motivation was
01:45in killing the two children,
01:47but to respond in such a horrendous way defies belief.
01:51Tarek Raymond had been unmasked
01:54as one of Britain's most evil killers.
02:21When Tarek Raymond was sentenced to life in prison
02:25in March 1996,
02:27it brought an end to a horrific double-murder investigation
02:31that cast a deathly shadow over Bradford in West Yorkshire.
02:35The 35-year-old insurance manager
02:38took the life of his common-law stepdaughter, Rachel Rooney,
02:42and 7-year-old Jonathan Copley,
02:45whom she was babysitting.
02:47It's a case that still haunts prosecutor Paul Worsley.
02:53I think because there were two young children involved,
02:56it stays with you for longer than most cases do.
03:00These were two youngsters who were wholly innocent.
03:04One was babysitting,
03:06the other was probably fast asleep in bed.
03:08When Raymond came to the house,
03:10in my judgment,
03:11clearly tried some sexual advances towards Rachel,
03:15took her upstairs,
03:17that may well have woken little Jonathan,
03:19who was seven, in bed,
03:21and because he realized he'd been recognized,
03:24Raymond decided to kill both Rachel
03:27and the little boy for whom she was babysitting.
03:31Raymond destroyed the trust of his partner, Christina,
03:35by killing her 15-year-old daughter.
03:38In the aftermath of the murders,
03:40Detective Alan Doherty
03:42had to both investigate Raymond
03:44and comfort the devastated Rooney family.
03:50Police officers especially
03:52are exposed to an awful lot of horror
03:55in the course of their careers.
03:58But things stand out.
04:00When I look back over my 30 years,
04:02this stands out
04:04because killing children in cold blood
04:07is almost unheard of.
04:10Let's imagine
04:11the fear that those kids went through
04:13when they were killed.
04:14I can't think of anything more terrifying
04:16for anyone to have to see and watch.
04:21The murders sent shockwaves across the community,
04:26which reached local journalist Katie Oscroft.
04:30This case is awful on many fronts,
04:34but it was awful because it was so easy
04:38for the man who did it,
04:39because he used, abused his position within the family.
04:44The way he did it,
04:45the utterly unnecessary force.
04:50Everything that happened about this case
04:53makes it utterly horrific.
04:56This killer story begins in Pakistan.
05:00Tariq Raymond was born in 1960,
05:03and soon after,
05:04his family decided to emigrate to the UK.
05:08We don't know much about Roman,
05:11but we do know he came across from Pakistan
05:13when he was seven or eight years old,
05:15just a young child.
05:17He was studious, upright,
05:21and in 1980, at a comparatively young age,
05:25he entered an arranged marriage.
05:27Raymond and his new wife settled down in Bradford,
05:31West Yorkshire.
05:32To all intents and purposes,
05:34he was a pillar of the community.
05:37He was the sort of person
05:38that you welcome into your sitting room.
05:40He was immensely polite,
05:43quite charming,
05:45and there was nothing at all
05:47that you could say was dangerous
05:50or threatening or menacing about him.
05:53Quite the opposite.
05:56Raymond worked for an insurance company,
05:58so he was a professional person.
06:00He was intelligent.
06:01He was articulate.
06:02He was smart.
06:04He was charming.
06:05He had a lot of admirable traits.
06:08As a person,
06:09he would have been attractive to women.
06:11There's no doubt about that.
06:13Despite being married with three children,
06:1624-year-old Raymond still appeared
06:19to live the life of a single man.
06:21In 1984,
06:23by this point,
06:24he's not old,
06:26you know,
06:27middle 20s,
06:28he meets a lady called Christina Rooney,
06:31who has three children.
06:35Tariq Raymond met Christine Rooney
06:37at a party,
06:37and they struck up a relationship
06:39and then that developed
06:41into this rather odd arrangement
06:43where he would spend
06:44a number of days
06:45with his wife and children
06:46in one part of Bradford
06:47and then spend the remainder of the week
06:50living with Christine and her family
06:52in the Queensbury area of Bradford.
06:54My understanding is
06:55that his wife was aware
06:57of the fact that he was
06:59living with an English woman
07:01in another part of the city,
07:02but I'm sure he kept
07:03those two families apart
07:05and his two lives apart.
07:08Raymond effectively
07:09took on the role
07:10of stepfather
07:11within the Rooney family home.
07:14He regarded himself,
07:15at least,
07:15as the father
07:16of Christine's children,
07:18and his relationship
07:19would have been
07:20that of a father
07:21in respect of
07:22they would have gone
07:23and done things together,
07:24he would have paid for things,
07:26he would have taken them
07:27to cinemas
07:28and parks
07:29and other things
07:30like a normal father would do.
07:34One of Christina's children
07:36was 15-year-old
07:38Rachel Rooney.
07:40Rachel was an incredibly
07:41likeable young woman.
07:44Her teachers called her
07:45someone who lit up the room,
07:46who made you feel
07:47better about yourself.
07:48She was hardworking,
07:50responsible,
07:51reliable,
07:52anything anyone
07:54could possibly ask for
07:55in a daughter.
07:57To earn some extra cash,
08:00Rachel had taken up babysitting
08:02and on Saturday,
08:04the 18th of February,
08:051995,
08:07the 15-year-old schoolgirl
08:09was booked to look after
08:10a mutual friend's young son.
08:14The Copley family
08:15went out for an evening
08:17out with their children.
08:18Their youngest child
08:20was seven years of age,
08:21Jonathan,
08:22and he was too young
08:23to go out
08:24with the older adults.
08:26So the family arranged
08:27for Rachel Rooney
08:29to babysit Jonathan
08:30that evening.
08:31Jonathan was regarded
08:33by school
08:34and his school friends
08:35as lively,
08:37thoughtful,
08:37jumping about,
08:38always engaged.
08:41The young pair
08:42settled down
08:43for the evening,
08:45completely unaware
08:46that neither of them
08:48would live
08:49to see the morning.
08:52A few hours later,
08:54when the family
08:54had finished
08:55their celebrations,
08:56they returned home
08:57and were initially,
08:59I think,
08:59surprised that
09:00Rachel wasn't sitting
09:01in the living room
09:02watching TV
09:03as they would probably
09:04normally expect.
09:05They looked round the house
09:06for Rachel and Jonathan
09:08and then encountered
09:11the most horrific vision
09:14that anyone could ever see.
09:16The small terraced house
09:19had played witness
09:20to a brutal double murder.
09:22two children
09:23had been stabbed
09:24to death
09:25and as police
09:26arrived at the scene,
09:28there was one question
09:30on their lips.
09:31Who could have done
09:32such a thing?
09:42As the sun rose over
09:44Bradford, West Yorkshire
09:45on a cold winter's morning,
09:47the news that two children
09:49had been murdered
09:50was beginning to spread
09:52across the city.
09:54Journalist Katie Oscroft
09:56was just starting
09:57her shift.
09:58It was the 19th of February,
10:001995.
10:01I was in our newsroom.
10:03We were doing
10:03regular police calls
10:05and we discovered
10:06through one of them
10:07that the night before,
10:09the bodies of two children
10:10had been found
10:11inside a house
10:12in Bradford.
10:13I went to the scene
10:15quite quickly
10:15with a camera crew.
10:17It was Southfield Lane
10:18in Bradford.
10:19I knew of the area.
10:20It's quite a busy area.
10:22There are lots of houses there,
10:23lots of neighbours
10:24who might know
10:24what's happening,
10:25a few shops.
10:27So we went straight there.
10:28There was obviously
10:29a police cordon up
10:30but there were people around,
10:33people obviously
10:33as shocked as we were
10:35at what happened.
10:37Detectives confirm
10:38that seven-year-old
10:39Jonathan Copley
10:40and his babysitter,
10:42Rachel Rooney,
10:43had been viciously
10:44stabbed to death.
10:4515-year-old Rachel
10:47was found with her hands
10:49tied behind her back.
10:52From the police,
10:52we discovered
10:53that two children,
10:54a seven-year-old boy
10:55and a 15-year-old girl
10:56had died.
10:57Utterly shocking.
10:58They also used us
11:00to appeal for information
11:01that they needed.
11:03One of the things
11:04that they clearly wanted
11:05was to find
11:05the murder weapon,
11:07a massive clue
11:08as to who this might have been,
11:10how it happened.
11:11There's no murder weapon.
11:12So one of the first things
11:13the police do
11:14is launch a search
11:16of the drains
11:17in case it's been
11:18thrown into a drain,
11:19the local playing fields,
11:21you know,
11:21a fingertip search,
11:22a classic
11:24police organisation.
11:26Let's find
11:26the murder weapon.
11:27That'll help us find
11:28who committed the crime.
11:30Investigators relayed
11:32all the information
11:33they had so far gathered
11:34to the growing numbers
11:36of press.
11:37Denise Copley
11:38and her elder daughter
11:40arrive back
11:41at the Copley house.
11:42Rachel is not downstairs.
11:45Jonathan's sister
11:46goes upstairs
11:47to look for her.
11:48She was later
11:49to describe
11:49what she saw
11:51as like a dream.
11:53I couldn't believe it.
11:55I saw Rachel
11:56lying on the floor.
11:58Her lips were blue.
12:00There was blood everywhere.
12:02And it became
12:03a nightmare.
12:05This was an act
12:06of horror,
12:07of monstrous wickedness.
12:14When we managed
12:15to speak to people
12:16about the children,
12:18we discovered
12:18that Rachel,
12:19she was 15.
12:20She was the kind of girl
12:21you'd have had
12:21to babysit your children.
12:23She was dependable.
12:25Little Jonathan,
12:26well,
12:27we went to his
12:28primary school
12:29and they told us,
12:30and this bit
12:31breaks your heart,
12:32they'd had to tell
12:32his class,
12:34his school,
12:35Jonathan's being murdered.
12:38He should have been
12:39just with them,
12:39just playing,
12:40a kid in the playground.
12:41He was just
12:42a regular little boy.
12:45One of the detectives
12:46working on the case
12:48was Senior Family Liaison
12:50Officer Alan Doherty.
12:52It was his job
12:53to break the news
12:55to Rachel's mother,
12:56Christina Rooney.
12:58I've got to say
12:59that in all my
13:00police career,
13:01when I look back
13:01at some of the
13:02most difficult things
13:03I ever had to do,
13:05you know,
13:06breaking the news
13:07to someone
13:07that a close family
13:09member has died
13:10is always one
13:11of the most
13:11difficult tasks.
13:12Often it's crying,
13:14it's disbelief
13:15that this could have
13:15happened to them.
13:17Who could have done this?
13:18Why would someone
13:19kill my child?
13:20But there would come
13:21a time where
13:22the other person
13:23would have been able
13:24to perhaps compose
13:25themselves a little bit
13:26and then start
13:28to be in a position
13:28where they can
13:29actually talk
13:30and tell the police
13:31about things.
13:33Investigators first
13:34needed to establish
13:35a possible time
13:37when the attacks
13:38took place.
13:39I remember
13:40that the mum
13:41of Jonathan
13:43had asked Rachel,
13:44who was babysitting,
13:46to put the recorder
13:47on the video machine
13:49for 10 o'clock
13:50to record Robocop.
13:52so she could watch
13:53it later.
13:54And that was significant
13:56because Rachel
13:57was the only person
13:58who had been asked
13:59to put the recorder on
14:01and she'd set it
14:03for just before 10 o'clock
14:04to record the program.
14:06So we knew
14:07that she was alive
14:08at 10 o'clock.
14:09Considering the brutality
14:11of the attack
14:12that took place
14:13in the bedroom,
14:14the rest of the house
14:15seemed relatively untouched.
14:18When the Copley family
14:20returned home,
14:22they found the house
14:22to be in a very normal
14:24state of affairs
14:25and there was no sign
14:26of a door being kicked in
14:28or any damage
14:29to windows
14:30at the back of the house
14:31or the front of the house.
14:32So for all intents
14:33and purposes,
14:34the house was
14:34as it should have been.
14:36The initial lines
14:37of inquiry
14:38from the police
14:39were based around
14:41primarily the fact
14:42that why had
14:44probably Rachel
14:45opened the door?
14:46She was a sensible girl.
14:48She wouldn't just have
14:49opened the door to anyone.
14:50She wouldn't have
14:50let anyone in.
14:53Rachel was known
14:54to be someone
14:54who was very careful
14:56about not letting people
14:57in late at night,
14:58particularly in a house
14:59that wasn't her own
15:01but where she was
15:01babysitting
15:02a seven-year-old.
15:04So she must have
15:05recognized who it was
15:07who came in.
15:08There's no evidence
15:09of any struggle
15:10downstairs at all.
15:12It would be very difficult
15:13to drag two children
15:14against their will
15:15upstairs.
15:16Not impossible
15:16but you would have
15:17expected something
15:19to be displaced,
15:20knocked over,
15:21some evidence of that.
15:23When detectives
15:24took a closer look
15:25at the crime scene,
15:27the true horror
15:28of the murders
15:29became evident.
15:31The cause of death
15:32for both of the children
15:34was wounds inflicted
15:36by a sharp knife-type object.
15:40The ferocity of the attack
15:41was extremely unusual.
15:43These are two small children.
15:46They are not the sort
15:47of human beings
15:48who could put up
15:49a strong fight
15:51or a strong defense
15:52of themselves.
15:53Jonathan was seven years
15:54of age.
15:55He was a very,
15:55very young child.
15:57Fifteen-year-old Rachel's
15:59hands had been tied
16:00behind her back
16:01with a boot lace.
16:03This gave investigators
16:05their first piece
16:06of physical evidence
16:07and a possible motive
16:09for her murder.
16:11It would be logical
16:13that if Rachel is tied
16:15at the time she's killed,
16:18in all probability
16:19would have been tied
16:20before she was killed.
16:21Why would a killer
16:22kill somebody
16:23and then tie their hands
16:25behind the back
16:25after the event?
16:26That would be pointless.
16:28So the assumption
16:29must be
16:30she was tied
16:31before she was killed.
16:33It's really the pathologist
16:35who pieces together
16:36for you,
16:37together with the scenes
16:37of crime experts,
16:39what must have happened.
16:40They can tell
16:41from the nature
16:42of the injuries,
16:43the position of the bodies,
16:44what must have been going on
16:46immediately before
16:46they met their death.
16:47And that was significant
16:49because Rachel's clothing
16:51had been disturbed
16:52in a manner consistent
16:54with a sexual assault.
16:56Now it's more than possible
16:58that Jonathan was awoken
17:01by the struggle
17:03that was clearly going on
17:05and possibly the amount
17:07of violence
17:08that she was suffering
17:09at that time.
17:10Now if he had got out of bed,
17:12if he had come into the room,
17:13he would have had
17:14to have killed him too.
17:18It is heartbreaking.
17:21There's no other word for it.
17:24The death of those two children
17:26lingers in the mind
17:28because it was so brutal,
17:31ferocious,
17:32and unnecessary
17:33in every way.
17:38When forensic investigators
17:41arrived at the Copley home,
17:43they soon uncovered
17:44some potentially crucial evidence.
17:48Someone had a very keen eye
17:50and noticed a splatter of blood
17:53that was different
17:55from all the others.
17:56And that suggested
17:57that that splatter of blood
17:59had fallen from above
18:00rather than emanated
18:02from the children
18:03who'd been murdered there.
18:05This was 1995.
18:06There was no ring doorbells.
18:08There was no CCTV
18:09on the street corner.
18:11There were no mobile phones
18:12that could be traced
18:13as to where you were.
18:14There were no mobile phone masks.
18:15So the discovery of blood
18:17in the house
18:18that wasn't the blood
18:19of the children
18:20was a game changer
18:22for the police.
18:23As the investigation
18:25continued within the house,
18:28outside on the street,
18:30neighbours had been left
18:31completely stunned
18:32by the murders.
18:34There was utter, utter shock,
18:37the idea that this was children,
18:39but they really hadn't a clue
18:40how this could have happened.
18:42added to that shock
18:43is fear.
18:44If it's happened there,
18:46could it happen to me next door?
18:48What about my children?
18:51The media attention was massive
18:53because it's so unusual
18:54for young children
18:55to be murdered in the UK.
18:58Unprecedented, I would say.
18:59Also, the very thought
19:01that a random stranger
19:03might have gone into a house
19:04and killed two children
19:06literally as they were sleeping
19:07is probably the worst nightmare
19:09that any parent could have.
19:11But when someone goes
19:12to the length
19:13of killing two children
19:14in that manner,
19:16it suggests to me
19:17that those children
19:18knew something
19:19that the killer
19:20couldn't afford
19:21for anyone else
19:22to find out.
19:23And that would suggest
19:24that the killer
19:25may have been known
19:26to the victims.
19:28With no signs
19:29of forced entry
19:30or any sort of a struggle,
19:32detectives were certain
19:33that Rachel
19:34and Jonathan's attacker
19:35would have been invited
19:37into the Copley home.
19:39While the distraught community
19:42remained terrified
19:43that a child killer
19:44was on the loose,
19:46detectives began looking
19:47for a suspect
19:49much closer to home.
20:00In February 1995,
20:03in the city of Bradford
20:05in West Yorkshire,
20:06detectives were hunting
20:07for a double child killer.
20:10Seven-year-old Jonathan Copley
20:12and his 15-year-old babysitter
20:14Rachel Rooney
20:15had both been violently
20:17stabbed to death.
20:19Investigators were confident
20:21that the killer
20:22must have known Rachel.
20:26It became fairly obvious
20:30quite soon
20:31that there was
20:31a complicated family structure
20:33in the Rooney family.
20:36And that was because
20:38Rachel's mother, Christine,
20:40lived at her house
20:41not too far away
20:42from the crime scene.
20:44But she had a relationship
20:45with another man
20:46and that man was called
20:47Tariq Raymond.
20:49Now, Tariq didn't live there
20:50full-time.
20:51He had another family
20:53who lived in Bradford.
20:54He had a wife and children.
20:55But he split his time
20:57between the two families
20:58and spent a few days a week
21:01with Rachel and her family
21:02and a few days a week
21:04with his own wife
21:05and children.
21:06But it did occur
21:07to the police officers
21:08that that was
21:09an unusual arrangement
21:11and it was worthy of us
21:12looking into
21:13a little bit deeper.
21:15Alan and his team
21:17concentrated on
21:1834-year-old Tariq Raymond's
21:20whereabouts
21:21at the time of the murders.
21:23They began by questioning
21:25Rachel Rooney's
21:26grieving mother,
21:27Christina.
21:29On the night of the murder,
21:31we obviously asked Christine
21:33to account for her movements
21:35along with other members
21:36of her family.
21:37And she informed us
21:38that she had returned home
21:40quite late that evening,
21:41round about 3 a.m.
21:43And she'd found Tariq
21:44asleep on the settee
21:46at her home in Queensbury.
21:48And at that stage,
21:49that's where she noticed
21:50that he had a cut
21:50to his hand.
21:51So it wasn't a nick.
21:52It wasn't a little scratch.
21:54It was quite a deep cut
21:56that required hospital attention.
21:58And therefore,
21:59she took him to hospital
22:00to get that treatment.
22:02Now, he was later
22:03to give an explanation
22:04that he had decided
22:06to take the dog,
22:07Tyson,
22:08for a walk.
22:09And Tyson had pulled him
22:11into a fence
22:12with sharp nails on.
22:14And those nails
22:15had caused the injury,
22:16which caused the severe
22:18cuts at the hand.
22:19Well, the doctor
22:21at the hospital
22:21in A&E
22:23he wasn't persuaded
22:24of this,
22:25but he treated
22:25the injury, obviously.
22:27The severity
22:28of the injury
22:29didn't seem
22:30to marry up
22:31with Raymond's story.
22:33Alan decided
22:34to investigate this
22:35a little further.
22:37I asked him
22:38to describe
22:39exactly where that was.
22:41And then I went up
22:42to that scene
22:42with a colleague.
22:44And I attempted
22:45the same manoeuvre
22:46that he claimed
22:47he had done.
22:48I probably did it
22:4920 or 25 times.
22:51And I did it
22:52in a manner
22:53that was there a way
22:54that I could have
22:55also cut my hand?
22:57It was just impossible.
22:58There was nothing there
22:59that I could have
22:59cut my hand on.
23:01So I knew straight away
23:02something was not right.
23:03And I went back
23:04to the senior
23:05investigating officer
23:06and told him
23:07that I didn't believe
23:08this account
23:09and that something
23:10was wrong.
23:11Alan remained
23:12part of the
23:13family liaison team
23:15that spent so much time
23:16with the Rooney family
23:18in the aftermath
23:19of the murders.
23:20And his suspicions
23:22towards Tariq Raymond
23:23continued to grow.
23:26As the days progressed
23:28and the more and more
23:29contact I had
23:31with Tariq Raymond,
23:32I would have seen him
23:32on probably a daily basis
23:34during the first few days
23:36of the inquiry.
23:37My suspicions
23:38gradually increased
23:40increased, increased,
23:41increased.
23:42And that was a tricky period
23:43because for five days
23:45we had to treat
23:46Tariq Raymond
23:47as part of the
23:48extended bereaved family
23:49and we had to
23:51update him,
23:53tell him as much
23:54as we were able to do,
23:56knowing that there was
23:58a possibility
23:59he could have been
24:00the killer.
24:01And that's a very unusual
24:03situation to find yourself in.
24:05Alan knew there was
24:07a potential smoking gun
24:09that could implicate
24:10Raymond,
24:11the inconsistent blood sample
24:13that had been discovered
24:15at the crime scene.
24:17Very quickly,
24:18we had a person
24:20in one of the families
24:20that had an unexplained injury.
24:22We had a rather strange
24:24relationship
24:25from the conventional one
24:26that we were looking into
24:27and therefore we fast-tracked
24:30that blood sample
24:31to the forensic science laboratory.
24:34After a few days
24:35we got the result
24:36of the blood sample back
24:37and it was indeed
24:39Tariq Raymond's blood sample.
24:42The forensic evidence
24:43was very powerful
24:44in this case,
24:45particularly the DNA profiling
24:47of spots of blood
24:48found one on Jonathan's leg,
24:50I think,
24:51and one in the bathroom,
24:53which was 50 million times
24:56more likely to have come
24:58from Raymond
24:59than from any other
25:00unrelated male.
25:02Therefore,
25:02it became obvious to us
25:04that Tariq Raymond
25:05at some stage
25:06had bled
25:07on the bodies
25:08of the children
25:09after their death
25:11and therefore a decision
25:12was made to arrest him.
25:15On Wednesday,
25:16the 22nd of February, 1995,
25:19four days after
25:20the vicious attack,
25:21Tariq Raymond was arrested
25:23for the murders
25:24of Rachel and Jonathan.
25:27Investigators grilled
25:28the 34-year-old
25:29about his movements
25:30on the night of the murders.
25:34Tariq Raymond claimed
25:35he was at a wedding reception
25:37on that evening
25:37and therefore
25:38would have been able
25:40to rely on people
25:41to give evidence of alibi,
25:43in other words,
25:43to say that he wasn't
25:45able to commit the crime
25:46because he was
25:47in another part
25:48of the country
25:49or town
25:50with other people.
25:51Now, following his arrest
25:53and following the disclosure
25:55to him
25:55that his blood
25:56had been found
25:57at the scene,
25:58he started to change
25:59his account
26:01and he claimed
26:02that he had visited
26:03the house
26:03quite innocently
26:04and that he had
26:05gone upstairs
26:07when he'd found
26:07no one downstairs
26:08and he'd found
26:09the two children
26:10dead
26:11in the bedroom.
26:13and he claimed
26:14that must have been
26:15the moment
26:16where his already
26:18injured hand
26:19must have bled
26:20and dropped
26:21the blood splatter
26:22onto the body
26:23of Jonathan
26:24and that was
26:25his explanation
26:26for the crucial bit
26:27of evidence
26:28which was the blood.
26:29So, it was
26:30a very unlikely
26:33explanation
26:34but it allowed
26:35the police
26:36to really dig deep
26:37into that account
26:39and to disprove it.
26:41Investigators seized
26:43Raymond's belongings
26:44and the watch
26:45he was wearing
26:46yielded even more evidence.
26:50That was eventually
26:51examined by
26:52forensic scientists
26:54and they found
26:55specks of
26:56Rachel's blood
26:57on the watch.
26:59Again,
26:59that would suggest
27:00that that watch
27:01was being worn
27:02at the time
27:03the blood
27:03emanated from the body
27:05which would
27:06contradict his story
27:07which was
27:08he found the body
27:09after the death
27:10had occurred
27:11and that's
27:12exactly what
27:13the blood
27:14on the watch
27:15revealed
27:16that he must have
27:17been there
27:17at the time
27:18of the blows
27:19being rained down
27:20on the children
27:21rather than
27:22his account
27:23which was
27:24I arrived
27:24after the murder
27:25and simply found them
27:26and then ran away
27:28and panicked.
27:29While Raymond
27:30was remanded
27:31in custody
27:32post-mortem results
27:34revealed
27:34just how savage
27:36the attack
27:36had been.
27:38Jonathan
27:38was stabbed
27:3915 times
27:41and Rachel
27:42over three times
27:44that amount.
27:46He could have
27:47overpowered her
27:48and killed her
27:49in many, many ways.
27:51He chose
27:52to stab her
27:54to death
27:55and he stabbed her
27:5748 times.
27:59Now that's what
28:00we call
28:01overkill
28:02meaning that
28:03it's more violence
28:05than is necessary
28:06to cause death.
28:08That suggests to me
28:10that something else
28:11was driving
28:11that violence
28:13and it's probably
28:14rage.
28:16This is what
28:17we would
28:17more likely
28:18expect to see
28:20from a serial killer
28:21and not
28:23from a supposedly
28:24caring
28:25stepfather.
28:29Detectives
28:29searching
28:30the Rooney home
28:31found a bootlace
28:33that matched
28:33the one
28:34that had been used
28:35to tie Rachel's hands
28:36behind her back.
28:38Suggesting that
28:39Raymond had brought
28:40it with him
28:41with the intent
28:42of restraining
28:43the 15-year-old.
28:44Raymond didn't
28:45try and push
28:46himself
28:47onto Rachel.
28:49He tied her up.
28:50He tied her hands
28:51with bootlaces
28:52and he sexually
28:55assaulted her.
28:57So he would
28:58have known
29:00at that point
29:02that he was
29:02stepping into territory
29:03that later on
29:04he's going to have
29:05to answer for.
29:06He can't talk
29:07his way
29:08out of this one.
29:09So that
29:10says to me
29:12that this was
29:13happening
29:14no matter
29:15how Rachel
29:17responded to him.
29:18This was happening.
29:20Further evidence
29:21against Raymond
29:22was discovered
29:23when the murder
29:24weapon,
29:25a pair of scissors,
29:26was finally found
29:28in the freezer
29:28at the Copley
29:29family home.
29:31Raymond's blood
29:32was on the blades.
29:34Those scissors
29:36were found in a freezer
29:37at the home
29:39of Jonathan
29:41and that was
29:42significant
29:42because almost
29:44as an aside,
29:46I think Rachel's mum
29:47had told the police
29:49that they used
29:50to keep keys
29:51in the freezer
29:52at their house
29:53as a spare set
29:54in case anyone
29:55lost their keys
29:56and so it was
29:58a very unusual place
29:59to hide something
30:00significant
30:01and lo and behold
30:02in the freezer
30:03at Jonathan's house
30:05was found the weapon.
30:07Tariq Raymond
30:08was refused bail
30:10and continued
30:11to deny
30:12having any involvement
30:13in the murders.
30:15Raymond gives
30:16a really complicated
30:17and convoluted
30:19and ever-changing
30:20narrative
30:22around what happened
30:23that night
30:24but some of the facts
30:26are Rachel
30:27was on her own
30:29outside of the family
30:31house
30:32possibly
30:32for the first time.
30:34It was certainly
30:35the first time
30:36that she had been
30:37babysitting
30:38so this really
30:41may have been
30:42from Raymond's
30:43perspective
30:43the first opportunity
30:45he had
30:47to target
30:49Rachel.
30:51all the way
30:52through
30:53the police
30:54investigation
30:56in spite of
30:57the blood evidence
30:58in spite of
30:58the scissors
30:59in spite of
31:00everything
31:01this is a man
31:02who's gone back
31:03from killing
31:04his stand-in
31:05stepdaughter
31:06and a seven-year-old
31:07boy
31:07and fallen asleep.
31:08Now that is not
31:09the action
31:10of a man
31:11haunted by remorse
31:12it's an action
31:14of a man
31:14who could not
31:15care less
31:16and also believes
31:17that he's invulnerable.
31:18No one could
31:20possibly suspect me.
31:22Despite his
31:24ongoing denial
31:25Raymond was charged
31:27with both murders.
31:28My reaction
31:30was not
31:31complete surprise
31:32but yes
31:33shock
31:34but also
31:36I felt
31:37for the mother
31:38of Rachel Rooney
31:39who had allowed
31:40this man
31:41into her life
31:42and I remember
31:44thinking
31:44how would I feel
31:46if that was me?
31:51Tarek Raymond
31:52would stay
31:53on remand
31:54for over a year.
31:55By March 1996
31:57his day in court
31:59was looming.
32:01Would the 35-year-old
32:03finally admit
32:04to killing
32:05Jonathan and Rachel
32:06or would he try
32:08to get away
32:09with murder?
32:20In March 1996
32:22Tarek Raymond
32:24arrived at Leeds Crown Court
32:26charged with the murder
32:27of his common-law
32:28stepdaughter
32:29Rachel Rooney
32:30and seven-year-old
32:31Jonathan Copley.
32:34Despite the overwhelming
32:36forensic evidence
32:37against the 35-year-old
32:39insurance salesman
32:40he chose to plead
32:42not guilty.
32:44Local news reporter
32:46Katie Oscroft
32:47attended the trial.
32:52What I think
32:53took us aback
32:54on the press bench
32:55was Tarek Raymond
32:56pretending he couldn't
32:57remember anything
32:58denying it
32:59but also looking
33:01for every inch
33:02like that insurance man
33:03just impassive
33:05as though
33:05well this is
33:06nothing to do
33:07with me
33:07again
33:08piling betrayal
33:10on betrayal
33:10for the families
33:12of those little
33:13children
33:14who he murdered.
33:17Raymond
33:18insists
33:19that he blacked out
33:21he has no memory
33:22whatever
33:22of what happened
33:23in fact he insists
33:25I would never kill
33:26my daughter
33:27I'm not that sort
33:28of person.
33:29Paul Worsley
33:30led the prosecution
33:32against Raymond.
33:33I remember that Raymond
33:35had been to a wedding
33:36during the day
33:37and that was
33:39documented if you like
33:40by other people
33:40who recall him
33:42being there
33:42but come the early
33:44part of the evening
33:45he had left
33:46and he eventually
33:48was to give an account
33:49that he'd gone out
33:50looking for friends
33:52he accepted
33:53that that took him
33:53past the house
33:55where Rachel
33:56and Jonathan were
33:57he obviously knew
33:58where the house was
33:59because he'd taken
34:00Rachel there
34:01in the past
34:02when she'd gone
34:03to visit her friend
34:04and the prosecution
34:05case was that
34:06he decided
34:07to call in
34:08on Rachel
34:08whom he knew
34:10would be alone
34:11with little Jonathan
34:12who would be
34:13asleep.
34:16The prosecution
34:17described how
34:18that Raymond
34:19had got into the house
34:20because he was
34:21a father figure
34:22to Rachel
34:22that's why
34:23she let him in
34:24and he sexually
34:26assaulted
34:27and murdered
34:28Rachel
34:29but then
34:30they think
34:32that Jonathan
34:33heard
34:34and saw
34:35what had happened
34:35so he decided
34:37to kill him too
34:38to if you like
34:40destroy that
34:41bit of evidence
34:42but again
34:43it was the
34:44ferocity
34:44of the attacks
34:45stabbing them
34:46several times
34:47using a pair
34:49of scissors
34:49it was horrific
34:51to listen to
34:52goodness only knows
34:53what it was like
34:54for members
34:55of the family
34:55who then discovered
34:57this scene
34:59The scissors
35:00were a crucial
35:01piece of evidence
35:02as was the bootlace
35:04that was used
35:05to restrain
35:06Rachel
35:06That lace
35:08was significant
35:09because
35:10there was an
35:11identical lace
35:12its partner
35:13if you like
35:13found at his home
35:15so we have
35:16the two laces
35:16you couldn't prove
35:17positively
35:18that they were
35:19a pair
35:20but they were
35:21identical
35:21in every other
35:22respect
35:22the
35:23finding of
35:25the scissors
35:26which were
35:27undoubtedly
35:27the instrument
35:29used
35:29to cause
35:30the fatal injuries
35:31the two blades
35:34of the scissor
35:35which had come
35:36apart
35:36and the
35:37rivet
35:38was found
35:39on Jonathan's
35:39bedroom floor
35:40so that confirmed
35:42if you like
35:42that scissors
35:44had been used
35:44and the blood
35:45staining
35:46to the blades
35:46of the scissors
35:47made it obvious
35:48that they were
35:49the weapon
35:50Raymond took
35:51the stand
35:52to defend himself
35:54against the onslaught
35:55of evidence
35:57One of the things
35:58that I found
35:59very interesting
35:59in the trial
36:00is when
36:01Raymond's shown
36:02the crime scene
36:03photographs
36:04of Rachel
36:05and Jonathan
36:06dead
36:07he doesn't seem
36:08to blink
36:08he doesn't seem
36:09to have any
36:10reaction at all
36:11it's as if
36:12he's blotted it
36:13out of his mind
36:14that can't be me
36:15it must be another
36:16person
36:17it's extraordinary
36:18he disassociates
36:19himself
36:20with what can
36:21only be described
36:21as a horrifying
36:23brutal attack
36:25Tariq Rayman
36:26appeared to
36:28think that he
36:28was still
36:29this respectable
36:30insurance man
36:31who everyone
36:32looked up to
36:33respectable family
36:35man
36:35at this house
36:36and that house
36:37and he
36:38he was saying
36:39things like
36:40surely I
36:40couldn't have
36:41done this
36:41as if to say
36:43don't you know
36:43who I am
36:44I couldn't
36:45possibly
36:45have committed
36:46these murders
36:48Raymond claimed
36:49he arrived
36:50at the Copley
36:51home
36:51and then
36:52completely
36:52blacked out
36:53he told
36:55the courtroom
36:55I've no memory
36:56of doing
36:57any harm
36:58to anybody
36:59I know
37:00I haven't
37:01done it
37:01it would be
37:02the most evil
37:03thing in the world
37:04but the blood
37:05evidence
37:06placed him
37:07front and
37:08centre
37:08at the
37:09monstrous
37:10crime scene
37:12there was
37:13certainly
37:13two drops
37:14of blood
37:15which were
37:1550 million
37:16times more
37:17likely
37:18to have
37:19come
37:19from Raymond
37:20than from
37:21any other
37:22unrelated male
37:23and that's
37:24pretty damning
37:25evidence
37:27he could have
37:28thought
37:28maybe this is
37:29an awful
37:30decision I've
37:30made
37:31maybe there's
37:31got to be
37:32another way
37:32around this
37:33I don't have
37:33to end
37:34the lives
37:35of two
37:35innocent
37:35children
37:36just to
37:36save myself
37:37but that
37:38clearly
37:38didn't come
37:39to that
37:39and he
37:40found the
37:41weapon
37:41went back
37:42up to the
37:42bedroom
37:43and killed
37:44the children
37:45that for me
37:47sort of suggested
37:48that this was
37:48a cold-blooded
37:49murder
37:50it wasn't
37:51something that
37:51just happened
37:52spontaneously
37:53that someone
37:54lashed out
37:55in panic
37:55and then
37:56oh my god
37:56what have I
37:57done
37:57that person
37:58stopped
37:59thought it
38:00through
38:00was calculated
38:01about it
38:02went and found
38:03a weapon
38:03returned to
38:04the room
38:04and killed
38:05two children
38:06to save
38:06his own skin
38:12on day six
38:13of the trial
38:14it was time
38:15for Tariq
38:16Raymond's fate
38:16to be revealed
38:18the jury
38:19retired to
38:20consider
38:21verdicts
38:22everyone was
38:23convinced
38:23as to what
38:24those verdicts
38:25should be
38:25and it turned
38:26out so
38:27with the jury
38:27they were back
38:28in no time
38:28the jury
38:29are directed
38:30to go away
38:31consider all
38:32the evidence
38:33and reach
38:34a verdict
38:35and the fact
38:35it only took
38:36them three hours
38:37again speaks
38:38to the fact
38:39that the case
38:39was well
38:40investigated
38:41well prosecuted
38:42and the jury
38:44left in
38:44absolutely
38:45no doubt
38:46that this
38:46man was
38:46guilty
38:47of the murder
38:48of those
38:48two children
38:49as Raymond
38:50was led
38:51away
38:51he remained
38:52expressionless
38:53but the families
38:55of his victims
38:55let their feelings
38:57be known
38:57David Rooney
38:59Rachel's father
39:01shouts across
39:02the court
39:02as Raymond
39:03has led
39:04away
39:04I hope
39:05you rot
39:06in hell
39:06Tariq Raymond
39:08just didn't
39:09respond
39:10as if he was
39:11betraying the
39:11part of a man
39:12who couldn't
39:13remember
39:14this was nothing
39:14to do with him
39:15he didn't give
39:16them the
39:17satisfaction
39:17of a response
39:1935 year old
39:21Tariq Raymond
39:22had killed
39:23two children
39:23in cold blood
39:25one of them
39:26whom he'd raised
39:27since she was
39:28four years old
39:30judge Mr. Justice
39:31Collins
39:32handed out
39:33his punishment
39:34Tariq Raymond
39:35was given
39:36two life sentences
39:37as he should have
39:38been for murdering
39:39two children
39:41nothing could bring
39:42those children back
39:42no sentence really
39:43is enough
39:44but that at least
39:46was justice
39:47doing its job
39:48it was a textbook
39:50murder investigation
39:51in my opinion
39:51and therefore
39:53you know
39:53the police
39:54could be
39:55very proud
39:56of the outcome
39:57I was certainly
39:58proud
39:58that I was involved
39:59in this case
40:00and that it had
40:01the outcome
40:01that it did
40:02a truly evil man
40:04was taken
40:04off the streets
40:05and the public
40:06were safer
40:07as a result
40:08of that conviction
40:09and his sentence
40:12although Raymond
40:13was safely
40:14behind bars
40:15the terror
40:16he left behind
40:17still resonates
40:18to this day
40:21what happened
40:22on Southfield Lane
40:23affected this
40:24community
40:25for some time
40:26everyone thinks
40:27could I have done
40:27anything
40:28should I have
40:28protected those
40:29children
40:29they were only
40:30next door
40:31or they're only
40:31opposite
40:32it's something
40:33that people in
40:34that area
40:34just didn't forget
40:35and will never forget
40:38Raymond
40:38Raymond's callous
40:39actions
40:40caused
40:41unimaginable
40:42trauma
40:42for the loved
40:43ones of Rachel
40:44and Jonathan
40:45for the families
40:47of Jonathan Copley
40:50and Rachel Rooney
40:50this case
40:53just all but
40:54ended their lives
40:55really
40:55this was something
40:57they'd never
40:57come to terms
41:04with
41:05the damage
41:06done
41:06by Tariq Raymond
41:08is incalculable
41:10and reminds us
41:11if we ever needed
41:12to be reminded
41:13that the legacy
41:16of evil
41:17is paid
41:19by the victim's
41:21families
41:22and the relatives
41:24and the friends
41:25because they're
41:26the ones
41:26who have to live
41:27with the dreadful
41:28effect
41:29of what happened
41:30to their loved ones
41:33I had children
41:34that were similar
41:35ages to Jonathan
41:36by then
41:37as a dad
41:38you can't help
41:38but imagine
41:39if that happened
41:39to my child
41:40it would just
41:41devastate anybody
41:42and the only thing
41:44the police can really
41:45do
41:45to give them
41:46any sort of comfort
41:47is to bring
41:48the offenders
41:49to justice
41:50and that eventually
41:51is one of the
41:52building blocks
41:53that people need
41:54to be able to move on
41:55knowing that
41:56the evil person
41:57that did this
41:58is now paying
41:59the price
42:00in May 2007
42:03Tarek Raymond
42:04collapsed and died
42:06in the gym
42:07at Wakefield Prison
42:09he was 46 years old
42:11I do not shed
42:13one single tear
42:14for Tarek Raymond
42:15who committed
42:16for me
42:17one of the most
42:18horrific
42:18the most brutal
42:20the most unnecessary
42:21the worst possible crimes
42:23taking the lives
42:24of two innocent
42:25young people
42:26who had all the rest
42:27of their life
42:27in front of them
42:28and for no reason
42:29other than some kind
42:30of sexual gratification
42:31and to cover up
42:32the evidence
42:32there can be no
42:34excuses
42:35for that
42:36it is a truly wicked
42:37evil act
42:39and Raymond
42:40remains
42:41a truly evil
42:42killer
42:47Tarek Raymond
42:48used his position
42:49as a member
42:50of the family
42:51to get into a house
42:52and murder
42:53two children
42:54in the most horrific way
42:56he then denied
42:58he'd done it
42:59and he never gave
43:00that family
43:01that he was a member of
43:02the satisfaction
43:03of knowing
43:04why he'd done it
43:05and exactly
43:06what he'd done
43:07Tarek Raymond
43:09remains
43:09the only person
43:10who really knows
43:12what happened
43:13why it happened
43:14and he took
43:16those secrets
43:17with him
43:18to the grave
43:20Raymond
43:21was a seemingly
43:22charming
43:22and placid man
43:24with no prior
43:25criminal record
43:26until his
43:27cold-blooded attack
43:28on two
43:29innocent children
43:31the only person
43:33who knows
43:34why he decided
43:35to assault
43:36his common-law
43:37stepdaughter
43:37and murder
43:39the young child
43:40she was babysitting
43:41is Raymond
43:42himself
43:42and his death
43:44means
43:45we will never
43:46know the truth
43:47what we do know
43:48for sure
43:49is that 15-year-old
43:51Rachel
43:51and 7-year-old
43:52Jonathan
43:53were killed
43:54by Raymond
43:55in a most savage
43:56and callous way
43:57they never got
43:59to live
43:59a full life
44:00because of his
44:01selfish actions
44:03which undoubtedly
44:04makes Tarek Raymond
44:06one of Britain's
44:08most evil killers
44:09.
44:14.
44:14.
44:14.
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44:41Transcription by CastingWords
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