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00:05From January to July of 1974, the King County area was engulfed in a wave of fear as young
00:12women were being attacked and murdered with alarming regularity. Bundy once lived in both
00:18Seattle and Tacoma. He's charged in Salt Lake City with aggravated kidnap and attempted murder.
00:24After Ted Bundy is arrested with a gym bag full of suspicious tools in August of 1975,
00:31Utah detective Jerry Thompson and Colorado investigator Mike Fisher believe he's responsible
00:36for murdering women across multiple states. And they are now working together to prove he's the
00:43killer. It's got to be the same guy. We believe it's Bundy. How are we going to make it stick
00:50to him?
00:51But by October of 1975, investigators back in Washington state seemed doubtful that Thompson
00:58and Fisher have the right man out in Utah. The media are the ones that are making him the prime
01:03suspect. We are not. They thought, well, this man has no criminal record. He's in law school. There
01:10was no reason to think someone like that could be connected to these sorts of crimes. Through
01:17detective Jerry Thompson's personal case files given to the producers after he passed away in 2019.
01:23This series reveals how detectives finally came together to stop serial killer Ted Bundy.
01:30He's got eyes on him that you won't get.
01:33These files include never before seen crime scene photos.
01:38These are hard to look at.
01:40Audio files of Thompson and Fisher interviewing Ted Bundy.
01:49And recordings from an historic meeting of investigators across the western U.S.
01:55Earlier in questioning that he denied being in Colorado at all.
02:00But in October of 1975, Fisher and Thompson are still on their own, desperate to find enough
02:07evidence to prove that Ted Bundy is the killer.
02:11I'm going to ask you real specifically. Did you meet a young lady at Snowmass in Aspen, Colorado
02:16on January the 12th?
02:19No, I didn't.
02:20Well.
02:36With Ted Bundy in jail awaiting trial for the kidnapping and attempted murder of Carol Durange,
02:42Utah detective Jerry Thompson and Colorado investigator Mike Fisher
02:47are determined to gather as much hard evidence as they can to ensure Ted Bundy is locked up for good.
02:55Fisher realizes that Bundy's gas credit card receipts may provide a critical timeline of his movements.
03:03Mike Fisher knew someone who worked at the credit card company who was able to pull Ted's receipts.
03:08He physically went to their office, started looking through them, then realized what he had.
03:15So Fisher started walking out the door and the person working the desk said,
03:19you need a subpoena for those. And he said, oh, we'll get one.
03:23While Fisher is tracking down the gas receipts,
03:26back in Utah, Detective Jerry Thompson gets a warrant to search Bundy's car for evidence,
03:32but finds that the VW bug is missing. He soon learns that Bundy sold the car just six weeks prior,
03:40right after he was caught with the burglary tools.
03:43Bundy realized that the police were hot on his trail, and so he put a car for sale ad in
03:51the Deseret News.
03:52It says, 68 VW sedan, very good condition, sunroof. And he listed it for $800.
03:59It was naive. He was trying to offload the evidence. It's not as if the car was going to,
04:03you know, disappear into the Salt Lake or anything like that. The car was still there.
04:08A teenager who actually knew Melissa Smith went to the same high school.
04:12He bought the car. It was his first car.
04:14The kid wanted to keep it, so we paid him the money that he gave Bundy so that we could
04:20keep the car.
04:21He was really surprised when he found out whose car it was.
04:25The day after Ted Bundy is charged for the Carol Durant's kidnapping,
04:30Detective Thompson and Sergeant Forbes rip apart his VW bug, looking for evidence of a crime.
04:39See, this vendor's been redone.
04:41Yeah, it's an amateur Bondo job.
04:45Going through the vehicle, we're open for hair samples or any blood.
04:54The only thing I can say, there is definitely longer, long girl's hair in there.
04:59He is able to find a good amount of hair, which he sends off to the FBI forensics headquarters in
05:07Washington, D.C.
05:08The FBI lab concludes that hairs from Bundy's bug are, quote,
05:13microscopically similar to the hairs of Melissa Smith, Carol Durant, and Karen Campbell.
05:20But this is the mid-1970s, over a decade before the use of DNA evidence in criminal investigations.
05:27So is the hair enough to tie Bundy to these crimes?
05:31At the time, they didn't have the forensics that we have now.
05:35They couldn't say with certainty that these were from the same person.
05:39You can say, the hair we found in Mr. Bundy's Volkswagen was similar, can never say match.
05:48In Utah, with little hard evidence in hand for the Carol Durant's case,
05:52the prosecution is relying heavily on her testimony.
05:59Then the investigators are shocked to discover that the judge is reducing Bundy's bail
06:04from $100,000 to $15,000 for reasons that aren't clear to any of them.
06:12That's almost telling the public that the judge reduced it because he's probably not guilty.
06:20We were angry.
06:22He could just disappear on us.
06:25And we thought, how could they let it happen?
06:29I was gut sick that he might kill some more women.
06:37But before Bundy has time to raise the money for bail,
06:41Detective Thompson throws a Hail Mary.
06:45We decided that he was still in jail.
06:47We were going to give it a shot.
06:49We brought him out of the jail.
06:50We tapped his office.
06:51We told him what he was there for.
06:53We did want to tap between.
06:55We had these vicious rumors that was going around of all these other crimes.
06:59I can understand the mindset, at least, of, hey, we have what might be a serial killer getting ready to
07:05post-bond.
07:06They know he likes to talk.
07:08He might say something.
07:09He might slip up.
07:10On November 3rd, 1975, for the first time ever,
07:15Ted Bundy is about to be confronted by detectives on tape over his possible role in multiple murders.
07:27Why don't you pull your chair up here, Ted?
07:29Bring your papers and slide this out, if you like, right here.
07:31Nice.
07:38Treating you any good in the jail, Ted?
07:40Yeah, you learn a lot.
07:41I've learned a great deal from my fellow inmates.
07:44Not all of it good.
07:44I hate to say that everybody knows it, but being in jail, some of these guys are good teachers.
07:51Once you have your degree in psychology or psychology or sociology, psychology was an interesting study,
07:59but it just didn't offer enough.
08:02I mean, the state of the art is so low.
08:04What can you know about your fellow human being aside from what he does over?
08:08And to try to get inside his mind is just difficult to do with hands.
08:13It's a smart thing to do.
08:14Shooting the breeze with him.
08:16I spend a lot more time in an interview with my mouth shut and their mouth open.
08:22That was just good police work, thinking maybe if I get him angrier or something, he'll slip.
08:29You ever married, Ted?
08:31No.
08:32Close, a couple times, but I suppose I look back on it and I'd like to have been married and
08:37I could have been married earlier.
08:39How old are you, Ted?
08:4028.
08:4128?
08:41Oh, well, it's a long time.
08:43Well, sure.
08:44I mean, I know on the one hand, there's always a pressure to be married, to be secure, to have
08:47children,
08:48something that I always want to do.
08:51But on the other hand, there's professional considerations and I felt I didn't want to drag my wife and children
08:55through the times of hard work and sacrifice.
09:00We tried to explain to him we wanted to give him his great opportunity to clear these vicious rumors.
09:09We have asked Ted to come up here today to talk to him in regards to numerous homicides in the
09:15Utah surrounding state's area.
09:18He left the state that he wanted his attorney present, so we advised him he's right to call his attorney
09:25on a family.
09:43When Bundy's lawyer finds out that detectives are interviewing his client without him present, he isn't happy.
10:14John O'Connell, really long hair, wore cowboy hats, cowboy boots.
10:19He's a smart, aggressive, good lawyer, good person.
10:23He's in the sheriff's custody pursuant to a warrant issued by the court.
10:27But I don't think that means the sheriff's office owns his body and that you can move him around as
10:32well.
10:33Well, I think that we're going to go ahead, John, and ask some questions.
10:36And at that point, if you wish to object or tell your client not to answer the questions or whatever,
10:42you have that right to do so.
10:43That's why we called you over here.
10:45I guess there's nothing I can do about it.
10:49Ted tried to answer two or three times, and his attorney immediately shut him up and told him to shut
10:54up.
10:54At no time did he want to deny any questions that he was asked.
11:00Well, you can see the position you put me in now.
11:02Well, Ted, this doesn't mean that part, then.
11:04You need to persuade me.
11:07How long have you been in Salt Lake?
11:10Just a minute.
11:11Just a minute.
11:12Just do what you're told, huh?
11:14If he refuses to answer that question.
11:17He refuses to answer that question now?
11:20I don't believe at the beginning or the outset of this interview that we got your date of birth.
11:25Because that's a question he refuses to answer.
11:30After Bundy refuses to answer any of Thompson's questions, Captain Hayward takes one last big swing.
11:38I'm going to ask you some pretty pointed questions at this time.
11:42And I feel that your attorney will give you the best advice possible.
11:46I can't seem to do anything about it.
11:49You ask us whether or not we want to talk, which you're required to do by the law, and the
11:53answer is no.
11:54I think under the law that means you stop trying to interrogate him.
11:59I can't.
12:00I can't.
12:00You've got a gun and I don't, so you win.
12:05You know me better than that, John.
12:07Um, Ted, have you ever committed murder?
12:12Who's the answer to that?
12:16Um, John?
12:17I know.
12:17What?
12:19You're going to ask a question?
12:21No.
12:22The interview is terminated according to my watch at about 221.
12:28It doesn't sound like they extracted much information from him,
12:31but they're to play that to the other investigators who might be on the fence about Bundy as a suspect
12:36for whatever reason.
12:37Certainly hearing him refuse to answer if he's ever murdered anybody may strike a chord.
12:42That may have been what they were going for.
12:44Despite the unsuccessful attempt to get Bundy to incriminate himself,
12:49Detective Jerry Thompson and investigator Mike Fisher are more convinced than ever that Bundy is their man.
12:55And they hear that detectives in Washington state are now coming around to their way of thinking.
13:01Somebody came out and said,
13:03Well, we can't say that Utah Ted is Seattle's Ted, but we can't say he's not either.
13:09And they kept this up for a little while, but all the cops knew.
13:13So Thompson contacts the lead detectives in Seattle and persuades them to meet in Aspen,
13:18with the promise of new evidence to share.
13:24On November 13th and 14th, 1975,
13:28over two dozen investigators from Utah, Colorado, and Washington
13:32meet in Aspen for what would become known as the Aspen Summit.
13:37It's an extraordinary moment in law enforcement history,
13:41with agencies from multiple states meeting to discuss one suspect, Ted Bundy.
13:49It was a brilliant idea to get all of these investigators together to compare notes.
13:56There's still something to be said for being in the same room with people
13:59and sharing information that comes up.
14:01Just seeing a look on somebody's face and a detail that sort of jogs someone's memory
14:06and said, Oh, yeah, that's like the Amy case or that's like the Parks case.
14:10Jerry Thompson and Mike Fisher have an ace up their sleeves.
14:14A judge issued a subpoena for Ted Bundy's gas card receipts,
14:18and they're ready to reveal their findings.
14:21Why don't you quickly run through those credit cards, Jerry?
14:23Somebody might be interested in those dates and places.
14:27Karen Campbell is Fisher's original case in Colorado.
14:31He is specifically looking for Ted's whereabouts on or about January 12th when she disappeared.
14:39One of the receipts that he finds places him just outside of Snowmass in Glenwood Springs,
14:46basically puts him in the area on the exact day of her disappearance.
14:51January of 75, he's in Salt Lake.
14:54On the 12th, he's in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, two times.
15:00That is a huge deal that pretty much breaks the case wide open.
15:04Fisher knew he doesn't have to search anymore.
15:07It's Bundy.
15:08And that applies to all three Colorado victims.
15:11Up until the 13th of March, he's in Salt Lake.
15:15The 15th, he gasses in Golden, Colorado, Silverthorne, Colorado, Dillon, Colorado.
15:22All on the same day?
15:23Yeah, all on the 15th.
15:25March 15th is when Redmond Julie...
15:29Right.
15:29That's Julie's missing out of Bay.
15:32In April 6th, when they come up, he was in Grand Junction.
15:37Yeah.
15:38Right.
15:39And that's when they're fall or some girls apparently missing out of Grand Junction.
15:44We reach a point where Mike Fisher has now tagged Bundy very close to these areas.
15:49And on the same day, the women in Colorado disappeared.
15:53Earlier in the questioning, did he deny being in Colorado at all or anything?
15:58Yeah, it was his first statement on Wendy's apartment.
16:00He said, that's one state I've never been in.
16:03He lied to him and said he'd never been to Colorado.
16:06He was just the classic sociopath.
16:09I know better than you do.
16:11All of this circumstantial evidence is starting to mount.
16:14And for the first time, they're able to see what the other guys have.
16:19One of the things that tied the Washington and the Colorado and the Utah cases together
16:24was what lawyers called similar transactions.
16:27That they looked similar in lots of ways.
16:29That what they began to see and know about the cases were these abductions, the disguises.
16:34The Carol de Raunch attempted kidnapping was very similar to what we experienced up here.
16:41A Volkswagen, a young guy, gift of gab, trying to get her into the car to help him.
16:47So they started to put it together.
16:50I read the whole transcript of the Aspen meeting.
16:54And actually, one of the clerical staff wrote like a poem about it.
16:59Sitting at my typewriter, sunlight streaming through the window.
17:03A two-day fatigued snowfall submitting reluctantly to the warm rays.
17:09What strange quirk of fate or combination of genes separates the heroes from the monsters?
17:18Watching dedicated men striving to put together the pieces of a puzzle that boggles the mind
17:24at its sheer, unbelievably terrifying magnitude.
17:28What kind of twisted mind could spend endless time plotting the demise of young women
17:34who have barely tasted life?
17:39I pray for endurance for the dedicated men.
17:43Mary F. Wiggins, Deputy, Pitkin County Sheriff's Department.
17:49By the end of the Aspen Summit, detectives are in agreement.
17:53Ted Bundy is the man responsible for murders across multiple states, stretching from Washington
17:59to Colorado.
18:01But the odds of nailing him for the Washington murders are extremely low, given the lack of
18:06evidence.
18:08Thompson said, they said to us, it's you Utah guys who have the best chance of putting them
18:13away.
18:14We don't have anything else yet.
18:15Investigator Mike Fisher continues searching for more evidence to tie Bundy to the Colorado
18:21murders, while Detective Jerry Thompson prepares for the upcoming Carol Durant's trial.
18:27But then, Thompson's worst case scenario comes true.
18:34One week after the Aspen Summit, Ted Bundy's parents successfully raised the money to post
18:41his bail, and Bundy is released pending trial.
18:47During the preliminary hearings for the Durant's kidnapping trial, Bundy is standing outside the
18:53courthouse with his attorney grandstanding, for lack of a better word, showing the press
19:00and the public what a likable, charming guy he is.
19:03Funny thing happened to me on the way to labor law class one morning, I got two weeks in
19:07the spa on the third floor up here, and yes, I intend to complete my legal education and
19:12become a lawyer and be a damn good lawyer.
19:15Sometimes I wonder if Ted didn't truly believe that he was going to get through all this and
19:19go on to become governor of a state or a high-profile attorney.
19:23Clients should never talk to the press.
19:25Ted liked to just like play with people.
19:28Surprised?
19:29I don't know.
19:29I didn't know what to expect.
19:30I've never been in a jail before.
19:31I've never been arrested before.
19:33In another blow to the investigator's case, six days after Bundy posts bail, the judge drops
19:40the attempted murder charge for the Carol Durant's attack, leaving only the less serious kidnapping
19:46charge.
19:47With no travel restrictions while out on bail, Ted Bundy uses the opportunity to head back
19:55home.
19:56Around Thanksgiving, he moves from Salt Lake back to Seattle, where he's going to be a
20:03trial, where they put him on surveillance.
20:07They hired a couple of psychiatrists to do a profile of him.
20:12And they said, it's going to be of maximum importance that you not just surveil him, but make sure he
20:21knows he's being surveilled.
20:23Because if you don't do this, he's going to feel very comfortable, and he may find another victim and murder
20:30her.
20:31He would try and sneak out to drive away when they weren't watching him in the middle of the night,
20:36or just try and evade them.
20:40I met Ted when he was released from custody in Utah, and he asked me to represent him.
20:49He told me that, well, there's this pitiful little thing in Utah that really isn't worth much.
20:56And he tried to minimize things, and I said, no, you shouldn't minimize it.
21:00If this is extremely serious, you're in big trouble.
21:03It's a major task force investigation, and you're it.
21:16The day Utah detectives have been anxiously awaiting, finally arrives.
21:22Ted Bundy stands trial for the kidnapping of Carol Durant.
21:27He waives his right to a jury, so the verdict will be solely up to the judge.
21:32Carol Durant was our star witness.
21:36You have to keep in mind, she had to walk into a courtroom and testify against a man, wherein he
21:42had supporters.
21:43He had people saying, oh, you're wrong.
21:46This is a good guy.
21:47This is an educated man.
21:48This is somebody that you would want to be your neighbor.
21:53She wasn't intimidated.
21:55She was very detailed.
21:57She was a scared girl, and that's why she remembered.
22:03One person I was worried about the most during the trial was Chief Smith, because he was convinced Ted killed
22:10his daughter, you know.
22:11You believe Ted Bundy killed your daughter?
22:13I do.
22:14I believe that with all my heart.
22:16I feel it.
22:16We had to search him outside the courtroom every session for fear he would be wanting to kill Ted.
22:24The guy sat next to the prosecutor, Dave Yoakam.
22:29We were anxious the whole time.
22:31There's never a case you're totally convinced that you're going to win.
22:38On the evening of November the 8th, 1974, Carol DeRange parked her car at the fashion mall.
22:44Shortly after began what she now calls her personal nightmare.
22:50And now, Ted Bundy is convicted with kidnapping Carol DeRange.
22:54Theodore Robert Bundy at age 25, a Republican campaign worker in Seattle.
22:59At 28, a University of Utah law student.
23:01At 29, a convicted Utah kidnapper.
23:09We did our job guilty.
23:13It was Yahoo, you know.
23:18We got that son of a gun.
23:20We didn't say gun.
23:23When he was convicted of DeRange's kidnapping, there was a sigh of relief to the community.
23:30Carol DeRange is a heroic figure.
23:32She stood up to him, and the horror of it.
23:36Where would he have stopped?
23:39Bundy will be sentenced in 90 days.
23:42He faces 1 to 15 years in state prison.
23:46This is not a murder conviction, which means that he could be back on the streets as soon as a
23:51year later.
23:53Back in Colorado, Fisher looked at that thinking, no, that's not enough.
23:56I need to get a murder warrant placed against this guy.
23:59So, Mike Fisher travels to Utah to interview Ted Bundy about the Karen Campbell murder.
24:07Bundy defies his own attorney's advice and agrees to meet with investigator Fisher, convinced he can talk his way out
24:15of the trouble he's in.
24:16He's still in the catch-me-if-you-can phase.
24:18He hasn't quite put it together that he's in really deep water.
24:24A psychiatrist said Bundy thinks he's in a play, and he's the lead actor, and, you know, he's going to
24:30outsmart the cops.
24:31But he doesn't know that the end of the play may culminate in his execution.
24:38Bundy's attorney is present, but what Ted doesn't realize is that investigator Fisher is now armed with the gas card
24:45receipts,
24:46placing Bundy near the scenes of all three Colorado murders.
24:55This is the 11th of March of 1976.
25:03We're primarily going to be talking to Ted about his presence in Colorado in about January 1975.
25:14Mr. Bundy has subjected to these COPPA-type interrogations before.
25:22I think that it ought to start out with you telling us what you're investigating.
25:28Okay, but we're here for you, specifically.
25:32A vertical chevalued young lady by the Karen Campbell.
25:36It occurred near Aspen, January 12th, 1975.
25:44During January 1975, Ted, were you ever in the state of Colorado?
25:51Possible.
25:52Hmm.
25:53Is it possible?
25:55I can't say it.
25:55Sure.
25:56Ted, you talked to Detective Jerry Tausas.
26:00Did you tell him that you had never been to the state of Colorado?
26:07I believe so.
26:09I think there's some dispute as to what was said on those occasions.
26:13As Detective Thompson was rumbling through my house and I was sitting there,
26:17I don't think I was really thinking so much about the questions.
26:22There's a reason for them being there and turning my house upside down.
26:26So I really couldn't tell you why I said Detective Thompson with any certainty.
26:32How many times did he say to Colorado that you're going to remember?
26:37Two or three.
26:40He's not saying he was there, he's not saying he wasn't.
26:42And then he says, on my two trips to Colorado.
26:45So as psychopaths do, they're their own worst enemies.
26:50Ted, I'm going to show you a gas record here.
26:53Uh, it's dated January 12th, 19th, 7 o'clock.
26:58That's from, uh, a gas station from Glenwood Springs, Colorado.
27:06Do you recall making that purchase kit?
27:08Well, not specifically.
27:11It, uh, certainly would deny that it's my purchase from a gas receipt,
27:14but I don't even remember making that particular purchase.
27:17Mm-hmm.
27:18That's where he started to get rattled.
27:21He's constantly cutting the ground out from under him.
27:25If he's such a smart legal mind, it's certainly not at work here.
27:29I'm sure Bundy's attorney was cringing at that point, but he didn't interrupt.
27:34Why would you take such a trip from Salt Lake City?
27:38Well, mainly to get away from Salt Lake City.
27:43Examinations, lots of little examinations are coming up during that time.
27:46Do you remember being in Grand Junction, Colorado, last year?
27:50I remember having passed through it, occasionally looking for a gas station,
27:54because gas stations are few and far between in that area.
28:00How many times do you think you've been in Grand Junction?
28:03I couldn't tell you. At least once.
28:07I'm going to ask you real specifically.
28:08Did you meet a young lady at Snowmass in Aspen, Colorado, on January the 12th?
28:15Well, that's a Sunday, and it's in the evening.
28:18Did you meet a woman anywhere near that area on January the 12th of 1975?
28:24No, I didn't.
28:26Well, I mean, I don't recall. I didn't get to that area.
28:30You can almost see him saying,
28:31Oh, I made a mistake. I've got it, you know.
28:35Well, if I met a young woman, I would have remembered it.
28:38I would remember it now.
28:40But as I say, my purpose in being there was to get away and be by myself and think.
28:47I'm going to come out real point.
28:50I want a truthful answer to this.
28:52What?
28:53On January the 12th, 1975,
28:56did you kill that young lady up there in your snowmass in Aspen, Colorado?
29:01I certainly didn't kill anyone anywhere.
29:04And wherever it was, I didn't kill anyone.
29:08But you don't recall any of the occurrences that happened on that trip.
29:14I wasn't paying a great deal of attention to specific places or signposts or mileage travel.
29:23But one thing you would remember,
29:26if you meet someone, you'd remember,
29:28especially if you struck a relationship with them.
29:31And as far as the question, did I kill anyone?
29:34I certainly didn't.
29:36And that's...
29:38Sounds kind of absurd to say so,
29:40but you remember it does something like that.
29:43I certainly didn't.
29:45If somebody kills somebody, you know, they would remember it.
29:49Isn't that odd that he would make a statement like that,
29:52that he couldn't come up with a better answer than that?
29:56This is a reckless interview.
29:58It's all such a grim game that he's playing.
30:02I don't know.
30:03I'm sitting there listening to this.
30:04I find it a little hard to accept to...
30:08You can't remember if trips have happened just to look for years old.
30:12I think, you know very well whether you want to ask it or not.
30:17You cannot recall a trip.
30:19It's just over a year.
30:21Why can't you?
30:22Why?
30:27But he prided himself on never blacking out.
30:29He said, I remember everything that I ever did.
30:32And he wasn't wrong.
30:33He did remember it.
30:34He just wasn't going to tell him.
30:38He admitted his signature.
30:40He admitted he was driving around in Colorado.
30:42He then admitted, yes, I had to be at that location because I signed for gas.
30:46So the Mike Fisher interview with Bundy turned out to be devastating
30:51because Bundy got to a place where he couldn't deny anymore.
30:56That's basically the kind of pressure Fisher brought to Bundy.
31:01Anybody that had exposure and potential liability like he had would refuse to do that interview.
31:11But Bundy did it because he thought he was smarter than all the cops.
31:16And that just further underscores his arrogance.
31:28On June 30th, 1976, Ted Bundy is sentenced to 1 to 15 years in prison for kidnapping Carol Duranche.
31:38For the detectives, it's not enough by a long shot.
31:42So investigator Mike Fisher makes it his personal mission
31:46to get charges filed against Bundy for the murder of Karen Campbell.
31:51After months of effort, using the gas receipts, physical evidence,
31:55and Bundy's inability to explain his trips to Colorado,
31:59Fisher achieves what no other detective has been able to do.
32:03He convinces his district attorney to charge Ted Bundy with murder.
32:09Bundy is then extradited to Colorado.
32:13Convicted kidnapper, Theodore Bundy, is on his way to Aspen, Colorado,
32:17where he will stand trial for first-degree murder.
32:20In a surprise move this morning, Bundy told a Utah judge he did not want to fight extradition.
32:25Bundy is accused of murdering Karen Campbell of Dearborn, Michigan.
32:28She was vacationing in Aspen at the time of her death.
32:32On January 28th, 1977, Fisher arrives at the Utah State Prison
32:37to pick up Bundy to transfer him back to Colorado.
32:40Did you expect him to waive extradition, or was that a surprise?
32:45This quickly, I don't know whether it was really a surprise or something that we expected.
32:51You know, he had so many alternatives to go.
32:53We just came prepared for the hearing, and we didn't have it.
32:55The prosecution's case is not strong.
32:57To bolster it, they're trying to bring in evidence
33:00from Bundy's kidnapping conviction in Utah
33:02and evidence from the unsolved murder of Melissa Smith of Midvale.
33:06Mr. Bundy, what do you think of the prosecution
33:07trying to bring in these outside crimes?
33:10I think they're pretty desperate.
33:17Fisher had finally accomplished what he had set out to do,
33:20which was bringing the killer of Karen Campbell to justice.
33:24Jerry Thompson and Mike Fisher are the heroes of this Bundy story,
33:29because if it wouldn't have been for those two men
33:32working so closely together,
33:34he might have gone for years and not been apprehended.
33:40As news of the extradition hits the press,
33:44Bundy puts out his own press release,
33:46saying that he is more confident than ever in his innocence
33:48and that he will beat the murder charges
33:50and get his kidnapping conviction overturned.
33:53So let's just wait and let's just let it come out in court.
33:56Let's let it be examined and open court,
33:58and I'll lay my money on me.
34:01Even his most credulous friends and family members
34:05had to doubt this fiction
34:07that he was going to make everything go away.
34:15But it turns out Ted Bundy has a plan.
34:19On June 7, 1977,
34:22Bundy is at the Peking County Courthouse in Aspen
34:25when he spots the opportunity he's been waiting for.
34:29As he was partially serving as his own attorney,
34:33he was given permission to access the law library,
34:36which was in the back of the courtroom at the time.
34:40Bundy was very sharp.
34:43He would file motions so that he had to go to Aspen
34:48so that he could design his escape.
34:53Nick Eisenberg was a reporter for 56 years
34:57and covered the Bundy story
34:59when Ted was in jail in Colorado.
35:09It was a court recess,
35:11and he had been given permission from the judge
35:13to not be shackled while in the courtroom,
35:15and he was allowed to wander around the law library.
35:21There were also several tall windows
35:23at the back of the courtroom.
35:26He has two sets of clothes on and combat boots,
35:30and he jumped out the second-story window.
35:35And the only reason they knew it
35:38was this lady walks in and says,
35:41is it unusual for people
35:43to be jumping out of your windows?
35:45Bundy made his escape
35:46by jumping out of this two-story window.
35:49Today, his footprints remain.
35:51And they suddenly realized Bundy had escaped.
35:59Dumb son of a bitches,
36:00how could they let it happen?
36:02I mean, we were angry.
36:03He ended up just getting lost in the mountains.
36:08At two this morning,
36:09after being loose for six days,
36:11Bundy was captured by Pitkin County officers
36:13Maureen Higgins and Jean Flatt.
36:15I think he was pretty tired.
36:16He was cooperative in that he
36:20pretended to search for his license
36:21when we asked for it.
36:23What the jailers couldn't do,
36:25the Wilds of Colorado did.
36:26Hi, Ted.
36:27How you doing?
36:28Good. How are you?
36:29Uh, here.
36:32Ted Bundy is transferred from Aspen
36:34to the Garfield County Jail
36:36in nearby Glenwood Springs,
36:38which is said to be more secure.
36:41Every day when I did rounds,
36:44I'd come by and talk to him
36:46while he was using the phone.
36:49On his birthday,
36:50someone bought him a birthday cake,
36:52and he blew the candles out through the bars.
36:56One thing he'd learned, I think,
36:58by being in jail
36:59is he'd learned how to talk
37:00to law enforcement people,
37:02to flatter them,
37:03to sort of win their sympathy.
37:05Bundy heard that another cell
37:09at one time has been used for storage,
37:12and all the cells
37:14had a one-square-foot light
37:17above the cells,
37:18and the lights had been welded
37:21in the place.
37:23But the cell that was used for storage,
37:26the light wasn't welded.
37:28So Bundy talked his way
37:31into being transferred to that cell.
37:38Convicted kidnapper Theodore Bundy
37:40has escaped from jail in Colorado.
37:42This time Bundy fled
37:44the Garfield County Jail
37:45in Glenwood Springs.
37:47Ted Bundy has escaped,
37:48and more than once,
37:49how could this happen?
37:51The jailers are just no good
37:53at what they do.
37:54I call them geese-stone gobs.
37:56It just amazed us
37:57that this violent criminal
37:59could escape so many times.
38:02On the very day
38:03that Bundy goes missing,
38:05Jerry Thompson picks up his phone
38:07and calls the jail,
38:08trying to get to the bottom
38:09of what happened
38:10and how he got out.
38:11Hello, Sheriff.
38:12This is Jerry Thompson,
38:13Sheriff's off in Salt Lake.
38:19Now, how did he get
38:20out of the cell, Sheriff?
38:21Well, they tore a light fixture
38:24out of there years ago,
38:25and we've never been able
38:26to get the damn welders in here.
38:28They don't like to come in and work.
38:30He just went out through there.
38:31It's about a foot square hole.
38:32But then,
38:33does that get him outside
38:34of the jail
38:34or just into another area?
38:36No, it got him
38:36into the jailer's apartment,
38:38and then they've got
38:39a front door on that apartment,
38:41which leads out into the street,
38:42and he just walked out that-a-way.
38:44I see.
38:44And he fixed his bunk
38:46so that he looked like
38:47he was in there,
38:48and he stuffed one of the sleeves
38:51of the shirt with paper
38:52and put it out
38:53from under the cover, you see?
38:55So it looked like
38:56he was laying on his side
38:57and his arm was out
38:58from under the cover.
38:59Mm-hmm.
39:00One of the oldest ruses
39:01there ever are.
39:03We got a time limit
39:05on him at all, Sheriff.
39:07Oh, Christ.
39:07I wish I could answer that one.
39:09I was eating lunch at home,
39:11and they called me at 1210
39:12and said that the Bundy
39:14was missing.
39:15Come to find out,
39:16no one has seen him
39:17since about seven last evening.
39:21When Fisher heard
39:22about the second escape,
39:24he practically came unglued.
39:25The first thing he thought of
39:27was if they don't catch him
39:29like they did the last time,
39:31we won't hear of it for a while,
39:32but he's going to kill again.
39:34Bundy, according to Mike Fisher,
39:36chief investigator
39:37for the DA's office,
39:38is a dangerous man,
39:39and folks just don't
39:40seem to realize it,
39:41and said the sheriff
39:42was criminally negligent
39:43for allowing Bundy to escape.
39:47All of us felt angry
39:49because we told them,
39:50now, if you can't keep him
39:52in custody, safety,
39:53we'll bring him back to Utah,
39:55and we'll bring him over
39:57for your trial.
39:58And they said, oh, no,
39:59we'll never let him escape.
40:02I don't know if there's
40:03any indication
40:04we'll come back here
40:05in the area,
40:05but we wanted to get
40:06a broadcast and everything
40:07out as soon as we could.
40:08I'll appreciate anything
40:09you can do.
40:11Well, I'm concerned
40:13that, like I mentioned before,
40:14that this individual
40:15had been on the street,
40:16and we, of course,
40:17take all necessary precautions
40:19with our witnesses
40:21that testified against him
40:22in our case here.
40:23The monster has been set free again.
40:26It was a nightmare scenario
40:28for a lot of people,
40:29especially if you happen
40:30to look like a Ted Bundy victim.
40:41He drove down to Tallahassee, Florida,
40:44where he took on a new name
40:46and moved into a boarding house
40:49and pretended to be a student.
40:51He'd been unable to kill anyone
40:53for such a long time
40:54that the need for murder
40:57could not be controlled.
40:59He broke into a sorority house.
41:02At Florida State University,
41:05murdered two coeds
41:06as they slept in their bed
41:08and injured two more.
41:11Broke into another young woman's home
41:13near campus,
41:14almost killed her.
41:17Three weeks later,
41:18Bundy drives 100 miles east
41:20to Lake City, Florida,
41:22where he abducts and murders
41:23a 12-year-old girl.
41:25She will end up being his final victim
41:28before his apprehension.
41:32Ted Bundy moved from a Salt Lake
41:34to a regional
41:35to a national crime figure.
41:37They didn't know who Ted Bundy was,
41:39he would recall later.
41:40I told the officer who arrested me
41:42he should make sergeant.
41:47Theodore Robert Bundy,
41:48now easily one of the nation's
41:50most famous criminals ever,
41:51seemed cool,
41:52his face blank,
41:53as Judge Edward Coward
41:55imposed two sentences of death.
41:56The beating was vicious,
41:58vile,
41:59and wicked,
41:59and atrocious.
42:01It is further ordered
42:02that on such scheduled date
42:04that you be put to death
42:05by a current of electricity
42:07sufficient to cause
42:08your immediate death,
42:10and such current of electricity
42:12shall continue to pass
42:14through your body
42:15until you are dead.
42:16Hundreds of people lined up
42:18outside the prison,
42:19some carrying signs,
42:20cheering on the execution.
42:22One man sewed t-shirts
42:23reading, quote,
42:24Bernd Bundy Bernd.
42:25He said,
42:26this came a long time,
42:27and I just wanted to be here
42:28and say that's all right.
42:29Do you deserve the punishment
42:31the state has inflicted upon you?
42:38Two jolts of electrical current
42:40from the Stark,
42:40Florida prison generator,
42:41and it was all over.
42:42A little after 7 a.m.,
42:44lights outside the execution chamber
42:46dimmed several times.
42:48At 7.17,
42:50witnesses to the execution
42:51stepped outside,
42:52signaling to reporters
42:54that Bundy was dead.
42:58I never really believed
42:59people were born evil
43:01until I met Ted,
43:03and I think he was born evil.
43:09I felt for years
43:10that we missed something
43:12that could have made a difference,
43:15that could have got Bundy
43:16arrested and charged
43:19and saved a whole lot of lives.
43:22I packed that around
43:23for a long time.
43:27He got what he deserved,
43:31although I don't believe
43:32in the death penalty.
43:34It makes me feel good
43:36that he's no longer able
43:37to look out of those eyes.
43:40More cheers
43:41from the hearse drove off
43:42with Bundy's remains.
43:56Well, I really feel
43:57that this guy
43:58probably has killed
43:59at least 50
44:02and maybe 75.
44:04He told me
44:05it was over 100.
44:13Today,
44:14more than three decades
44:16after his execution,
44:18the search continues
44:20for more Ted Bundy victims.
44:23In January 1989,
44:26just about two days
44:27before his execution,
44:28Ted Bundy confessed
44:30to an abduction
44:31and homicide
44:31in 1974
44:33of a female
44:34whom he claims
44:35he picked up hitchhiking
44:37just east of Boise.
44:40I investigate cold cases
44:42for the Ada County
44:43Sheriff's Office.
44:45This one bothers me
44:46a lot.
44:51In approximately
44:53early September 1974,
44:56I was moving my belongings
44:58from Seattle to Salt Lake City.
45:00Somewhere
45:01very close to her
45:03on the outskirts
45:04of Boise,
45:05I picked up
45:07a young woman
45:09who was hitchhiking.
45:11I pulled over
45:12and my car
45:13was full of stuff.
45:15And she was carrying
45:17a large backpack.
45:22She looked to me
45:23about 16 to 18,
45:25white-brown hair,
45:27about 5'6".
45:31He admitted to striking her.
45:34He admitted to strangling her.
45:38And he admitted to putting her body
45:40in the Snake River
45:43after sexually assaulting her as well.
45:45Her remains have never been located.
45:50We don't have a name.
45:51We don't have the body.
45:53We haven't been able
45:54to reach out to the family.
45:55So it's very motivating
45:57because you know
45:58that somewhere out there
45:59there's probably still
46:00friends, family, loved ones
46:02who are missing this person
46:03who don't know
46:04what happened to her.
46:07We've not given up.
46:10We're not going to give up.
46:13We're going to keep searching
46:15until we find out
46:16who Jane Doe is.
46:17code всем.
46:19Oh, my God.
46:21Oh, my God.
46:34Oh, my God.
46:36Kyu.
46:37Oh, my God.
46:40Ah, my God.
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