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00:06I don't want another parent to go through what my wife and I went through.
00:12A stress girl turned up missing in October the 18th in 74 in a small town south of Salt Lake.
00:21Jerry Thompson said Bundy was like a monster. That's how it viewed him.
00:31In 2024, the producers of this series came into possession of case files from the family of the late Salt
00:38Lake City detective Jerry Thompson, including never-before-seen crime scene photos, new Ted Bundy interviews, and audio files from
00:49an historic meeting called the Aspen Summit, which all show how, in the 1970s,
00:55detectives from different states came together to solve one of the most heinous serial killer rampages in history.
01:04From January to July of 1974, the King County area was engulfed in a wave of fear as young women
01:10were being attacked and murdered with alarming regularity.
01:15It's the fall of 1974, and detectives in Seattle are searching for the man responsible for murdering eight women in
01:23the Pacific Northwest.
01:25I took it as a heavy responsibility. I wanted to find a guy before he killed more people.
01:32A man who was described as a smooth-talking man with his arm in a cast who asked several women
01:37to help him load a boat onto a Volkswagen.
01:40There was the name, Ted. There was the composite drawing. There was a beige VW bug.
01:47But when the murders there abruptly stop, only to start up again in Utah, detectives in three states, Washington, Oregon,
01:57and Utah, are working blind, unaware of any connection.
02:02At the time, jurisdictions didn't always cooperate with each other. They didn't share.
02:09Back in Seattle, Ted Bundy is just one name among 200 potential suspects.
02:17But then Bundy makes a huge mistake, and a victim gets away.
02:24When Carol Durant escaped, we felt that they were on the verge of breaking this case wide open.
02:49After she broke loose, Mr. Durant flagged down a passing car, and an elderly couple drove her to the Murray
02:55Police Station.
02:56Now, in other news, the great salt lake...
02:58When I first heard about the attack on Carol Durant, I was actually on vacation in Oregon, salmon fishing.
03:06Retired detective Paul Forbes was with the Murray City Police Department in the Salt Lake City metro area.
03:14My boss said, you're going to have to give up the extra five days. We need you to get home.
03:20So I made it back home as quickly as I could.
03:23Now safe from harm, Carol Durant recounts the horrific ordeal to Detective Forbes.
03:31Carol Durant said he had tried to handcuff her to the Volkswagen glove compartment.
03:36But by some stroke of luck, he accidentally gets both cuffs on the same wrist.
03:41So she is not chained to the car.
03:44Help me!
03:46She just ran into the street. She said, I don't know how I did it, but I was able to
03:52get away.
03:56She was hysterical, and it was hard getting out of her what happened.
04:00This man had kidnapped her and was maybe going to hurt her.
04:07Tough little girl.
04:10So he's got a woman out there somewhere in Salt Lake City that has seen him, heard his voice, seen
04:17his car.
04:18And the only thing that he has going for him that November night is that she doesn't know his name.
04:23And at this point, no one is connecting this to all of the murdered and missing girls.
04:30I have spent many hours with Carol going through the mall, all of the areas where he had taken her
04:37before he got her finally in the car.
04:39Carol Durant describes her attacker as having a mustache and long hair past his ears.
04:45She noticed that he was wearing green pants, a blazer, and shiny patent leather shoes.
04:52She also remembers that he's driving this ratty Volkswagen, and that the backseat was torn up.
04:59We felt in the newsroom, and maybe some police officers did too.
05:04Okay, thank you, Sandy.
05:05They ought to be able to identify this guy before too long.
05:10But that very same night, another girl was snatched from a crowded high school theater just 20 miles away in
05:17the Salt Lake suburb of Bountiful.
05:20Immediately after Carol Durant gets away, a man approached 24-year-old drama teacher, Raylan Shepard, who was directing a
05:31musical at a high school in Bountiful that night.
05:34He was following her around before the play began, asking her to come out to the parking lot to help
05:42him.
05:52And she's like, no, I'm busy. I've got stuff to do.
05:57He subsequently approached another woman at the drinking fountain and was more aggressive and more assertive about it.
06:03The second woman rebuffs the man's advances as well.
06:07I think he got a little frustrated that he wasn't able to use his ruse to get anyone to go
06:13with him.
06:15Deborah Kent was a 17-year-old high school student in Bountiful, Utah.
06:21She came from a big family.
06:23She was very popular.
06:25She was described as just a really sweet, kind person.
06:29That night, Deborah goes to see the school musical with her parents, while her little brother goes roller skating at
06:37a nearby rink.
06:41Debbie's father gave me the keys to his car to go out and get the car to go down and
06:45pick up the young brother.
06:47During the play's intermission, Debbie heads out of the theater to pick up her brother, but she never makes it
06:54to the car.
06:55It's not known exactly what happened in the parking lot.
07:00It seems possible that he just accosted her and grabbed her.
07:06Deborah Kent was never seen again.
07:09The next morning, Bountiful PD are searching the entire area, and one officer finds a handcuff key laying on the
07:18sidewalk.
07:19Look, you've got something that shouldn't be there, and it could likely be from the man who was involved in
07:25her abduction.
07:27Bountiful investigators interview witnesses and learn that the man was seen leaving the auditorium, but then returned a short time
07:35later.
07:36When he was seen earlier, he was well-dressed, clean, neat, well-kept, well-groomed, very calm, very cool.
07:44At 10.30, which is about the time the play ended, the same people saw him again, only now he
07:52was very miserable, he was breathing hard, he was respiring, and he just had a completely different appearance.
08:00My theory is that he realized that he had dropped the handcuff key.
08:06If he couldn't find that handcuff key, they might be able to connect him to the Carol Durant's kidnapping.
08:14At this point, there are multiple young women missing or found murdered in the Salt Lake area.
08:21Melissa Smith in October, Laura Amy later that month, and now Deborah Kent in early November.
08:30Carol Durant had barely escaped an abduction, and then, as if ripped from a horror movie, there's another grisly discovery.
08:49Right around Thanksgiving break, two Brigham Young University students were playing hooky, and they wanted to go for a hike
08:59in American Fork Canyon.
09:03American Fork was a beautiful canyon.
09:07It's just on the other side of the end of Salt Lake Valley, those hikes that you could take up
09:13there.
09:16They were walking down just this trail that was kind of close to a stream.
09:27And they noticed the body of a young woman lying in the brush at the bottom of this embankment.
09:33And the girlfriend said, oh my God, I think that's a dead girl.
09:38And they immediately went and notified police, who quickly identified it as being the body of Laura Amy.
09:49Laura Amy had been strangled, and she had blunt force trauma to her head from some kind of blunt object,
09:58which we would later find out was a crowbar.
10:05The body was dumped in amongst some logs, just off of a road, a parking lot area, up in American
10:11Fork Canyon, a hoot.
10:20These are the Emmy photos.
10:39They've got a nylon stocking cut on the neck, a chain, a necklace.
10:48The body was washed, the hair was washed, you had a shampoo smell to it.
10:53The cause of death was either by strangulation or by massive blows to the head.
10:59Sorry, that's heavy.
11:01Yeah.
11:03Take a minute.
11:08Laura Amy and Melissa Smith were both found nude and abandoned in remote canyons, beaten and then strangled.
11:17Jerry Thompson's boss, Pete Hayward, was one of the cops who realized these girls were likely killed
11:23by the same individual based on the similar M.O., saying we got a real nut out there.
11:40A lot of these people took this case very personally.
11:45It was an attack on their towns, on their communities.
11:49You'd be hard-pressed to find a detective more invested than Mike Fisher of Colorado.
11:56He was working the Karen Campbell case, who had come with her boyfriend, Dr. Raymond Godowski,
12:01and his two children to Aspen, Colorado.
12:07Karen Campbell just wanted to have a nice vacation, and she was starting her life over.
12:13She had a new fiancée, and she was on a skiing trip that also happened to be a cardiology conference
12:21for her fiancée.
12:23It was supposed to be sort of a bonding trip for her to get to know these children before she
12:28married into the family.
12:29She had never been to Aspen before. She was from Dearborn, Michigan.
12:35Karen Campbell went to dinner the night of January 12th.
12:41She was walking with her fiancée, Raymond, his two kids, and their friend.
12:48She wanted to go back to her room to get a magazine, and so she walked through this complex, got
12:54on an elevator, and she never got to her room.
12:59The magazine was there. The room wasn't open.
13:03She disappeared, and that's when Mike Fisher was called in.
13:10Mike Fisher was an investigator for Colorado with the attorney general.
13:15He was an investigator, really, for the state.
13:18At the time when he didn't have very many leads on the Karen Campbell disappearance,
13:24he was looking at every single hotel room, every single person who had checked in.
13:30He was comparing those hotel check-in lists to all the jurisdictions from where those people had originated to see
13:38if there were any priors.
13:40He was dogged, and he was chasing down every possible lead.
13:45His work was really extraordinary in piecing things together.
13:51Fisher became personally involved with the Karen Campbell case.
13:56I think that he felt offended that someone would come to his beautiful resort town just to be taken away
14:05from her family and this new life that she was trying to start.
14:12The night Karen disappeared, it snowed heavily, obscuring the roads and ditches, making the search for her body all but
14:21impossible.
14:29A month later, a passerby noticed driving down Owl Creek Road, which was at the time kind of a lonely,
14:37deserted road near Snowmass.
14:42They saw a flock of crows pecking at something and called police.
14:55It was her remains.
14:57It seemed that she had been just tossed over the guardrail, and that when the snowplows had come through, they
15:04had covered her in snow.
15:11So hard to look at.
15:14Reports from Jerry Thompson's case files explain that coyotes had apparently consumed some of Karen Campbell's remains, making it impossible
15:24to determine if she had been strangled.
15:28I think the autopsy said blunt force trauma and exposure to the elements.
15:36They said that she may have been still barely alive and actually froze to death that night.
15:44Mike Fisher said that the DA said, Fish, you'll never find out who did this.
15:49You've got nothing to work with.
15:50And of course, Fisher chuckled at that.
15:53No, I'm going to find this guy.
16:02Just two weeks after Karen Campbell's remains are found, King County detectives in Washington get a big break, though a
16:11tragic one.
16:13A massive search was launched after the discovery of the skeletal remains of six women in the mountains east of
16:19Seattle.
16:20What do you got there, Bob?
16:22Just more bones so far.
16:24Jaw bones, as a matter of fact, aren't they?
16:26Well, one kind of looks like a jaw bone, yes.
16:29In March of 1975, forestry students were out surveying Taylor Mountain.
16:37They realized that they had discovered the dump site for the missing Pacific Northwest victims at that point.
16:44The word is that both you and Seattle police are proceeding on the assumption that there are more bodies out
16:50here.
16:51Well, that probably is, uh, you get in that woods and you just don't know what's in there.
16:57It's so thick and so overgrown with bushes that, uh, you could find anything, you know, a couple hours from
17:04now or five minutes from now.
17:07It was heavy, fine maple.
17:10And as Bob Keppel was making his way through surveying the scene, he tripped and fell down.
17:18And as he looked up, he was looking at a skull.
17:24Up at Taylor Mountain, Linda Ann Healy, Susan Elaine Rancourt, Roberta Kathleen Parks, Brenda Ball.
17:31And then previously, in September, we identified Janice Ott and Denise Nosla.
17:36So there are six people definitely identified.
17:40So we have found nothing but human remains, not one button, ring, so forth.
17:45The Taylor Mountain site shows detectives the same M.O. as the Issaquah site from the Lake Sammamish double murder.
17:53This was absolute proof that the same killer was responsible for all of these victims.
17:59It was urgency.
18:01You got to find this guy and stop the murders in the future.
18:05The victim tally balloons to 13 across the western U.S.
18:10But detectives continue to toil in isolation.
18:14At the time, jurisdictions didn't always cooperate with each other.
18:19They didn't share.
18:20And that was a real detriment to law enforcement.
18:24Because they didn't realize these murders could all be connected.
18:29Law enforcement generally is distrusting of each other.
18:33And that's unfortunate.
18:35That help, when most needed, gets ignored.
18:39The murders continue.
18:41In the span of just three months, three more young women are taken.
18:46Two in Colorado and one in Idaho.
18:49To this day, none of their remains have ever been found.
18:52For every victim he left behind, he left behind families that were tortured by the death of a loved one.
19:02It's like you drop a pebble into a pond, and the waves and the ripples just go out farther and
19:11farther.
19:26The night of August 16, 1975, there was a Utah highway patrolman named Bob Hayward, who lived in Granger, which
19:36is now West Valley City, Utah, a suburb of Salt Lake City.
19:40He was just getting off of his shift, and he noticed a VW bug.
19:50With its lights off, driving past him, he thought, that's a little odd.
19:54I know everybody in this neighborhood, and I don't know this car, and driving around at three in the morning.
20:01Later, he's filling out paperwork, and he gets a call he needs to respond to.
20:11He later said that he took a wrong turn driving out of his neighborhood.
20:16And if he hadn't taken this exact turn at this exact time, he wouldn't have seen that same VW bug
20:23parked with its lights off outside a house one block from where he lived.
20:31They had a lot of burglars in the area.
20:34He was suspicious of this guy immediately, but instead of letting him come over and talk to him, Bundy freaked
20:40out and took off.
20:43So the VW zoomed away.
20:45It's a great term. I love to use it. Then Bundy rabbited, so the chase was on.
21:00Bundy ran through a couple of stop signs, but he's driving this little big VW.
21:06He couldn't get away from him.
21:10So Bundy finally pulls over outside of this gas station.
21:17Gets out of the car.
21:25Hayward opens his door and tells him to stop right there.
21:30Bundy says, well, what's the problem, officer?
21:33So Hayward goes over to Bundy, has him identify himself, said, I need to see your license.
21:38Bundy goes back in his car and gets it.
21:41He read his name out, Theodore Robert Bundy.
21:45Hayward didn't like him.
21:46He was dressed all in black, found sitting in front of this house, and he knew the people that lived
21:53in that house had two young daughters, teenage girls, and their parents were out of town.
21:58He knew that those girls would be asleep, and he didn't like that this man was parked outside of the
22:03house.
22:04The passenger seat is removed, and on the back seat, the first thing he sees was the brown gym bag
22:11has stuff spilling out of it.
22:13In the open bag, Hayward sees a crowbar and other tools commonly used to commit burglaries.
22:20So Bundy gives him permission to search the car.
22:26Bundy started telling him about how he was a law student at the U.
22:29I was just driving around, you know, it was a different part of town, I'm just exploring.
22:35He was just lost in the neighborhood.
22:37He also said that he had seen a movie at a drive-in.
22:40Hayward said, oh yeah, what movie did you see?
22:43Ted goes, uh, The Towering Inferno.
22:48And he thought to himself, that's not true, because I know exactly what's playing at that movie theater, and it
22:54was a trio of westerns that night.
22:56It was not The Towering Inferno.
22:59So his credibility started to decay.
23:03He knew he was lying, but he didn't understand why he was there.
23:06He thought maybe he was planning on burglarizing some houses.
23:13They searched his car, they found a crowbar, trash bags, rope.
23:19An ice pick, there were a pair of handcuffs.
23:22And a ski mask, not the kind of thing that you would usually find in a regular person's car.
23:30These seem like burglary tools.
23:36So he asked him about the various things, and he says, oh, they're just commonplace.
23:39They're just commonplace items.
23:41What about the handcuffs?
23:43I found them somewhere, and, you know, in someone's trash.
23:48Not only was Hayward going to charge him with evading a police officer, he was going to also charge him
23:55with burglary tools.
23:57Of course, he knew that this was more than burglary tools.
23:59It's got stuff in there for tying people up.
24:04I'm a criminal defense attorney, and I've tried over 300 cases.
24:09Lots of circumstantial evidence is the most difficult kind of case for a defense lawyer.
24:15Because you can explain in a way, say, well, I had the ice pick in there because I went to
24:20a kegger.
24:21But the nylon mask with the eyes, you know, and after three or four of them, everything becomes unbelievable.
24:32It appears the man they've arrested is planning to burglarize houses.
24:37But it doesn't make sense that he's a law student.
24:40He has no criminal record.
24:42We want to find out more about this guy.
24:44We're not just going to let him off.
24:47So they brought him down to the police station and booked him, fingerprinted him, and then let him go on
24:54bail.
24:59A few days later, there was a meeting of several of the detectives, sergeants at the Salt Lake County Sheriff.
25:09They would meet every Tuesday, and they would discuss what's going on in their county to see if anything would
25:16link up to something else.
25:18The Utah sheriff said, hey, I arrested this guy whose name is Ted.
25:24He had handcuffs and a crowbar in his car, and Jerry Thompson was there.
25:31One of the detectives mentioned that Bundy was the strangest guy he'd ever met.
25:35I remember Thompson said, once his name was mentioned, something went off in my mind, and I thought, wait a
25:40minute, I know that name.
25:45And he said, I went back to my office, and sure enough, there was the information on Bundy.
25:58Jerry Thompson remembers the Seattle tip he received months earlier.
26:01After Bundy's girlfriend, Liz, came forward with her suspicions about Ted.
26:07He was very, very interested in this guy from the moment he heard about him because he drove a Volkswagen.
26:14He had handcuffs in the car.
26:17And so these things started coming back to his mind about Carol Duranche.
26:22In a flash, the attempted kidnapping of Carol Duranche and her statement to police connect Ted Bundy as a possible
26:30suspect in all of the disappearances and murders over the past 18 months.
26:36That was a brilliant piece of intuitive police work.
26:39I mean, that's a big turn in this whole case.
26:43I got a call from the Salt Lake County Sheriff who said, I stopped a guy in a car that
26:50matched the description.
26:51I think he might be your guy.
26:54According to Detective Thompson's files, Ted Bundy truly came to light in his eyes with the burglary tools arrest.
27:03Thompson thought Bundy's explanation for the items was very poor.
27:07Jerry Thompson can't get over the similarities between all the cases and was determined to catch this killer.
27:20So they're talking to Bundy about the burglary tools charge and they're saying, you know, we'd really like to clear
27:27you of this.
27:29Is there a way that you could, you know, let us search your apartment and we can make sure that,
27:35you know, you're not associated with these other cases?
27:38And he says, sure, search my apartment. I'll sign a waiver.
27:43Jerry Thompson was there.
27:45Other detectives were there.
27:47And a couple of patrol officers who sat on either side of the couch while Bundy had to sit there
27:53and chatter away for a while.
27:55Thompson said he couldn't shut his mouth.
27:57He chattered like a magpie.
28:01Jerry was a longtime friend of mine.
28:04He was an aggressive guy when we worked together.
28:07He was very tenacious about his job as I was myself.
28:13We were doing a thorough search of Bundy's apartment and looking for anything that could place him anywhere in hopes
28:21that we could bring more charges against him.
28:25When they were searching his apartment, they thought it was oddly clean and very, very well organized.
28:35They uncovered some things there that turned out to be significant to the case.
28:44Detectives found a bill for a Chevron gas card, which tipped him off to the fact that Ted had gas
28:52receipts that they would be able to subpoena eventually.
28:56Jerry also noticed in his closet a pair of shiny patent leather shoes.
29:02Detective Thompson recalled that Carol Durant had said her attacker was wearing black patent leather shoes.
29:10He also finds other possibly incriminating items in Bundy's apartment, including a brochure for the recreation center in Bountiful, the
29:20Salt Lake City suburb where Deborah Kent had vanished nine months earlier.
29:24He also asked him if he'd ever been to Bountiful.
29:27He said, oh, I've driven through.
29:29So this is from Constance Files.
29:32Oh, cool.
29:35I've never seen this before.
29:37This is the original Bountiful Recreation Center pamphlet that was confiscated from Ted Bundy's apartment on the avenues.
29:52I'm glad you're allowing me to see this because I've never seen this.
29:56Hmm. Isn't that something?
29:59Oh, my God.
30:05I don't think I've ever touched something he touched.
30:08I've sort of wondered about keeping these things that were sort of souvenirs that allowed him at some level to
30:14kind of relive and revisit.
30:16They became almost sacred objects in this narrative of death that he was spinning, and yet they were hugely incriminating.
30:24I think he was considering each murder a trophy.
30:30They found ski guides for Colorado.
30:33He asked Ted at the time if he'd ever been to Colorado, and he said no, which was strange because
30:39he had these things in his house.
30:46Earlier in the questioning, he denied being in Colorado at all or anything.
30:51Yeah, it was his first statement on Wendy's apartment.
30:53That's one state I've never been in.
30:55Part of circumstantial evidence is lying to the police about things that you know you're going to get caught for.
31:01Ted was a sociopath, and sociopaths think that they can control everything.
31:08I think he did actually believe that he was smarter than they were.
31:15Inside the ski guide, Bundy had taken and placed an X beside the complex in Snowmass, the Wildwood Inn.
31:25When Jerry Thompson called Mike Fisher, and he told them where the X was, this is Fisher's exact words.
31:33You're shitting me, Jerry. That's where our girl, Karen Campbell, went out.
31:40Gotta be the same guy. Gotta be.
31:43And of course, from that point forward, Fisher knew.
31:45I like Thompson.
31:48They knew.
31:50This was the guy.
31:55But of course, knowing it is one thing.
31:59Proving it is something else, something far more difficult.
32:07Before leaving Bundy's boarding house, Thompson and Forbes want to search his car for more evidence to bolster the Carol
32:14Durant's kidnapping case.
32:17When I went through his apartment, I also asked him if I could look at his car.
32:23He stated, sure, there's no problems. It was down in the back.
32:27I asked him now if I could take some pictures of the car, which he had no objection.
32:32At which point, Thompson goes back to the little parking lot outside of Ted's house and photographs his VW.
32:45He never asked why, what core or anything else about it.
32:49Because he already knows what we're there for.
32:53That's why he didn't say anything.
32:55In taking the pictures of the Volkswagen, I noticed the back seat on the top had a chair, almost the
33:02full length of it, which matched the description from a girl calling stuck in the back being horned.
33:10His comment then I thought was very unusual.
33:14He says, Jerry, you do a pretty good job.
33:16And I asked him, well, I think I do a damn good job.
33:19And he says, now you've got a straw and you're trying to fill up the broom and keep going on
33:24these days in my bank.
33:25He would not elaborate any further on his comment.
33:29Yeah, he must have said that to me six or eight times.
33:33And I said, I've already made the broom and you're holding it.
33:37Arrogant prick.
33:40He then bailed out of jail on this charge.
33:47While Bundy is out on bail for the burglary tools arrest, Jerry Thompson continues investigating him for the Carol Durant's
33:54kidnapping.
33:55Thompson goes to the University of Utah campus to speak with Bundy's professors, but he realizes that Bundy is stalking
34:04him.
34:05During the investigation through the law school up there, he followed me around numerous times, which I was aware of
34:12him following me, going to different professors.
34:16It seemed each time that he made it a point that I knew he was behind me, he would run
34:21over to me, holler at me, shake my hand, tell me I was doing a hell of a nice job,
34:26I was getting tired, I looked like I needed rest.
34:29Actually, he was sorry that he worked so hard, but after all I got paid for it, he didn't.
34:34He enjoyed the chase, he enjoyed the capture, and he enjoyed the finish.
34:41All steps, he enjoyed the whole thing.
34:44It was part of the narcissism, I think.
34:47He just couldn't help himself.
34:49He just loved being the center of attention.
34:53Jerry Thompson visited Carol Durant at her place of work.
34:57And he brought with him pictures of Bundy's DW, as well as a number of photographs of men from the
35:06lineup.
35:07And she looked at them and laid them over one after another, but she put one on her leg.
35:13And she said, well, I don't see anybody here.
35:16He said, well, what about the one you're holding on to?
35:19She says, yeah, that does look kind of like him.
35:23On September 10th, investigators put Ted Bundy under surveillance.
35:42He would be working on the car, the VW, and he was actively replacing parts of the car, washing it
35:50out, sanding down the rust spots, changing the appearance of the car.
35:54And he knew they were watching him and couldn't do anything about it.
35:58This time, the car had been changed.
36:01The seat no longer had a tear in it.
36:05The hubcaps are different.
36:08The Volkswagen never had a front bumper or lice plate on it.
36:12But, you know, it had a bumper on it and a pipe plate on it.
36:18The surveillance on Bundy unnerved him.
36:22According to the surveillance reports, Bundy would constantly come out from under his Volkswagen, look up and down the street,
36:30and then go back to working on the car's bumper.
36:34They're following him around, they're watching his house, to the point where his neighbors are getting a little upset.
36:42Some of them are smoking weed and they don't like the cops hanging around their house.
36:48His neighbor knocked on Ted's door, and it was partially open until he walked in and Ted was drunk, sitting
36:54on his couch.
36:55And he said, Ted, I want to know what's going on.
37:00And Ted said, oh, the girls.
37:05I'm caught.
37:06It's because of all the girls.
37:09And he said, what do you mean?
37:12And Ted said, never mind.
37:13Never mind.
37:23In September of 1975, Detective Jerry Thompson knows he doesn't have enough evidence for a prosecutor to charge Ted Bundy
37:32with murder.
37:33So he flies to Seattle, hoping to convince Bundy's girlfriend, Liz, to talk to him.
37:38On three different occasions on this trip, Thompson interviewed Liz about what she knew about Bundy, what she knew about
37:46the murder kit.
37:48Maybe I shouldn't do this.
37:50I have a picture here of all the items that we took from his car.
38:02I will let you look at them first.
38:05And this is, there is cord and rope.
38:09It's the handcuffs, it's the punch, the gloves, the ski mask.
38:13This is a pair of women's nylon pantyhose with eye holes and a mouth cut out.
38:21It's the flashlight and it's the crowbar.
38:24Have you ever seen what's in that gym bag?
38:28No, she's empty.
38:31She's crying there, isn't she?
38:33It sounds like she's crying.
38:34Do you hear that?
38:36I hear sniffles like she's, like she's emotional.
38:41Very highly unusual, would you say, that any man would have these things other than for what reason?
38:48An armed robber maybe?
38:50The handcuffs, the rope bindings.
38:53What would you surmise they might be in a person's possession for?
38:59To tie somebody up, I would assume.
39:02I don't buy his explanation for them.
39:05He's leaning or he's very good.
39:07In the nylon pantyhose, he had an explanation.
39:11He put them on to keep his ears and his face warm when he was skiing.
39:16I said, you don't ski in August.
39:19What about the ice cream?
39:20I can't answer that either.
39:21What did he say?
39:23It was just a house tool.
39:25And there was another tire iron.
39:30And he left my house late at night, and then he came back to get that.
39:35And he looked really sick, you know, like he was hiding something.
39:38And I said, what have you got in your pocket?
39:40And he wouldn't show me.
39:41And I reached and grabbed a surgical glove.
39:45Weird.
39:47She was expecting an explanation.
39:50He walks down the steps and gets in the car and leaves and never says a word.
39:57I've wondered.
39:58I read in the paper long ago that there was a girl in Salt Lake that had gotten away.
40:03The guy tried to handcuff his needle thing or something.
40:06I wondered if you had shown him to see her.
40:11Yes.
40:14You put me on the spot, don't you?
40:18I can't tell you, Liz.
40:19I can't.
40:25But she was really hoping that his answer would be, no, she wasn't able to identify him.
40:31She was still, at this point, very much hoping that he was innocent and anything she said would be able
40:37to exclude him.
40:39After the interview, Jerry Thompson obtains a warrant for Bundy to appear in a lineup for Carol Durant, as well
40:46as two witnesses from the Deborah Kent disappearance.
40:50He's hoping they'll be able to identify Ted.
40:52Thompson delivers this court order to Bundy's apartment himself.
40:57He had just got out of the shower and stained the door with a towel.
41:02I confronted him with the paper, not telling him what it was, and I thought he was going to cash
41:09out.
41:10And he must have thought he was about to be arrested for one of these murders.
41:15Because Thompson later told me, we could see his heart beating out of his chest.
41:20And I said, are you all right?
41:21And he says, I'm fine.
41:23When I handed him the paper, he read it, and he says, oh, well, if that's all, he says, be
41:27no problem, I'll be there.
41:29He looked at the papers, he was like, oh, it's just a lineup.
41:33He thought at that point that he could still get away with it.
41:38Detectives were taking a big risk with the lineup.
41:40All it takes is for these people to say, no, he's not the guy.
41:45And if that were to happen, Bundy would walk.
41:54And so the next day, when he came in there, Thompson's heart was in his throat because he thought, she's
42:03going to misidentify him.
42:04His hair is completely different.
42:08The man who walked in was clean-shaven, no mustache, short hair, and the hair was parted on a different
42:17side.
42:18What the detectives don't know is that the day before, Bundy goes to a barber shop, cuts his hair really
42:26short, and parts it on the other side.
42:30He was convinced that he could do things so well that they would never actually pick him out.
42:37He thought that they wouldn't be able to identify him.
42:42Carol Duran instantly picked him right out of the bunch and said, that's the gentleman.
42:48It didn't take her any time at all.
42:52That's all detectives need to arrest Bundy for kidnapping.
42:55And they throw him in the Salt Lake County jail.
42:59Later on that day, I confronted him in the jail and told him that he was under arrest or attempted
43:05to kidnap, attempted criminal homicide.
43:08The man at that time seemed to breathe easy.
43:12He's calling me to go, hell or symptom, is that all?
43:15And he seemed from that point on very relaxed in the video.
43:19I'm sure he's starting to panic a little bit at this point.
43:22He was very good at concealing it, at least in public view.
43:25It wasn't me, I didn't do it, and on and on and on.
43:29They're not reliable, they're just guessing.
43:32And I just let him ramble, I didn't even answer him.
43:35I was just smiling inside.
43:37Knew we had him and there was nothing he was going to change.
43:40It meant that Bundy, now, instead of being the hunter, he was being the hunted.
43:46Because this wasn't about burglary tools, or this wasn't about debating police.
43:51This was about kidnapping Carol Duranche.
43:54And also already being suspected in all the other missing women.
44:01When the news hits the press that Ted Bundy has been arrested for the kidnapping of Carol Duranche in Salt
44:07Lake City.
44:07The media back in Seattle catch on that Utah Ted could also be Seattle Ted.
44:14Is Utah Ted Seattle Ted?
44:19Oh, that was headline, top of the fold.
44:22And of course, then the media really goes wild.
44:25Bundy once lived in both Seattle and Tacoma.
44:27He's charged in Salt Lake City with aggravated kidnap and attempted murder.
44:31Once Bundy was arrested and was on their radar, they let Washington State know it.
44:37But through all the excitement of the Salt Lake City arrest, there's one man here in Seattle who's not at
44:42all excited.
44:43He is Captain Nick Mackey.
44:45Jeannie, the reason Captain Nick Mackey says he's not excited is simple.
44:49He says Ted Bundy is not a prime suspect in the murder of the Seattle women.
44:53The media are the ones that are making him the prime suspect. We are not.
44:57They thought, well, this man has no criminal record whatsoever.
45:02He's a student. He's in law school.
45:05He has a college degree that he received with honors.
45:10He's clean cut, charismatic.
45:12The governor of Washington wrote him a letter of recommendation to law school extolling the virtues of Ted Bundy.
45:20There was no reason to think someone like that could be connected to these sorts of crimes.
45:27We have quite a few people that look very good.
45:32And it's surprising when you get onto one person and people tend to make their suspect fit all the aspects
45:42of Ted.
45:43Everything we heard was that he was God's gift to women in the community and that we were way off
45:51base.
45:51The photograph of Ted Bundy was shown to at least eight witnesses from Lake Sammamish.
45:56Seven positively said Ted Bundy was not the mysterious Ted.
46:01One said he looked something like the man.
46:04Mackey added that the pictures of Ted Bundy so far have produced no results when showed to the witnesses.
46:09And he said he has no plans to send any county detectives up to Salt Lake City.
46:14But in Colorado, Mike Fisher looked at it thinking, no, that's not enough.
46:18I need to get a murder warrant placed against this guy.
46:22We believe it's Bundy.
46:24How are we going to make it stick to him?
46:31Next on Hunting Bundy.
46:33We have asked Ted to come up here today to talk to him in regards to numerous homicides.
46:40Ted, have you ever committed murder?
46:43Who's the answer to that?
46:45Convicted kidnapper Theodore Bundy has escaped from jail in Colorado.
46:49Now, how did he get out of the cell, sir?
46:52Well, they tore a light fixture out of there years ago.
46:55He just went out through there.
46:57The monster has been set free again.
47:00Death.
47:28I wasn't In Om Frauen, but without
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