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Seth and Sean discuss the Texans hosting free agent CB Martin Emerson earlier this week, react to Adam Schefter's list of big name WRs left in free agency, and assess if the Texans should be "kicking tires" on any.
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00:00Martin Emerson Jr. is the name of a cornerback, Seth.
00:05Played for the Cleveland Browns the last few years.
00:06Texans had him in for a visit yesterday.
00:09Two days ago.
00:10Is it two days ago?
00:11Okay, yes.
00:11Two days ago.
00:13And he had an Achilles injury last year, and he's coming off of that Achilles injury.
00:19Sounds like he left without a deal with the Texans, but he was in the building the other day.
00:23Yeah, well, it was interesting just because the news came on the same day that yesterday the Browns signed Miles
00:33Bryant,
00:33and it almost felt like it could have been one of these, yet another trade between the two organizations.
00:39Even though it wouldn't be a trade, it would be free agency.
00:43He was a solid cornerback on a really good defense for a couple years for the Browns.
00:49Started a bunch of games, right?
00:50Yeah, he started 33 games over the course of three years.
00:53Missed all of last year with an Achilles tear.
00:56Would have been their third cornerback last year.
00:57But he's 6'2".
00:59He's a big dude.
00:59He's not blazingly fast or anything, but he's the kind of guy that has to make up for it with
01:03his size.
01:03I'm just kind of curious if this is the kind of meeting you have with a guy before the draft.
01:09You check in on him with his Achilles tendon and see how he's doing.
01:12We know that, you know, by way of the Cam Akers experiment,
01:17that Nick isn't as scared off by Achilles tendons as maybe some other people are.
01:20That's a good point, yeah.
01:21But the fact that he's 6'2", especially, and he's a cornerback coming up at Achilles,
01:26you wonder if, all right, maybe he transitions to safety at some point.
01:30So it's not an earth-shattering visit or news or anything, but it is an interesting one.
01:36And it's the kind of thing where if the Texans don't end up picking up an extra cornerback
01:41or somebody in the draft that maybe they'd like to,
01:44maybe you end up seeing a signing after the draft with somebody like him.
01:48Yeah, do you...
01:49Emerson.
01:50Not Everson.
01:50I said Everson four times yesterday.
01:52Emerson.
01:53Emerson.
01:53Did you happen to catch any Cleveland reaction to this?
01:57You know, I always like to see how the other market reacts.
01:59By and large, it seemed like most people had just kind of resigned that he was leaving
02:04and they like him.
02:05They don't look at him like he's a linchpin to the organization or anything.
02:09Yeah.
02:09But he also, from a Texans perspective, he did well in a Jim Schwartz defense.
02:15And there's a lot of similarities between the way Jim Schwartz operates his defense
02:19and the way the Texans operate their defense.
02:21So that part of it, I think, is probably intriguing, too.
02:24You know, Matt Burke got a start under Jim Schwartz.
02:26Right.
02:27And probably, you know, likewise, maybe he's had some conversations with Jim Schwartz about him.
02:31Did you happen to tell any people about what the Miles Bryant experience is going to be like in Cleveland?
02:37I did not.
02:38Yeah, yeah.
02:39Other than I just said, well, he's what he is.
02:42He's a versatile backup that can come in and give you reps.
02:47I like Miles Bryant.
02:48If you were ever expecting more out of him, then you might feel like he was a disappointment or something.
02:52Yeah, that's right.
02:53He's a, he is a, he's fine for what he is guy.
02:57Yeah.
02:58He's a good guy to have on your team.
02:59He's fine for what he is.
03:01On that defense with the Texans, he got attacked a lot because there's no other place to attack on that
03:05defense.
03:05Yeah.
03:07This was Adam Schefter yesterday on his podcast that he does with Ty Schmidt.
03:12He does a weekly with, Ty Schmidt's one of McAfee's guys.
03:15And Schefter was laying out, wow, you don't see this many big names in a marketplace like this very often
03:23at this particular position.
03:25If you're a team that needs a wide receiver right now on April 7th, Ty, and I would imagine we
03:29may get a little bit of movement on this leading into the draft.
03:32As we tape this, all of these players are free.
03:35But check out the decorated list of names at the wide receiver position as we get closer to the draft
03:43later this month in Pittsburgh.
03:45Ready?
03:46Debo Samuel, Jawan Jennings, Tyree Kill, Odell Beckham Jr., DeAndre Hopkins, Stephon Diggs.
03:58That's a decorated list of free agent wide receivers still on the street, still looking for work.
04:06I wouldn't be shocked if we saw a couple of these names added to teams right before the draft.
04:13Somebody trying to get some reinforcements right before the draft to take off some of the need that they have
04:19at the receiver position.
04:20But my point also is that you rarely get to April and see six huge names at the receiver point,
04:30any position, still sitting out there.
04:33Seth, you know what Adam Schefter gets very excited about?
04:37Going to see Chicago in concert.
04:40Going to see the Doobie Brothers at the Golden Nugget in Lake Charles.
04:46He lost me at Odell Beckham Jr.
04:48What the hell, dude?
04:50This is going to be a concert of the ages.
04:53Phil Collins.
04:54Chicago with one of the original members.
04:56Right, right.
04:58On cymbals.
04:59Phil Collins.
04:59I was at a Phil Collins concert where they literally wheeled him out to the middle of the stage.
05:04Schefter is jacked for that concert right now.
05:07Odell Beckham Jr., the most yards he's had in a season since the year 2021.
05:11When was the last time he played?
05:13He played last year.
05:15He did?
05:16No, no, no, 24.
05:17Sorry, he didn't play last year.
05:18Right, right.
05:18What the hell is he talking about?
05:20In 2022, did not play.
05:222023, 35 receptions.
05:252024, nine receptions.
05:27Didn't play last year.
05:28What the hell are you talking about?
05:30This is the thing.
05:32Okay, his point is there's big names out there.
05:34Big names.
05:35But don't do it in that dramatic tone of voice.
05:39Oh, no, no, no, Seth.
05:39And say Odell Beckham Jr.
05:41With the exact same tone of voice as all those other guys.
05:46Jerry Rice is available right now.
05:49Was Stefan Diggs the last guy he mentioned?
05:51Last guy, yeah.
05:52The most viable of, the most relevant of any of those guys.
05:55Other than with Jawan Jennings.
05:56Yeah, well, the weirdest.
05:57Okay, mixing Jawan Jennings in with that group, though, was kind of weird.
06:01Like, Jennings is a nice player.
06:03These other guys he's naming are all, like, at one time, all pros.
06:06You know?
06:06Yeah.
06:07Debo Samuel, Tyreek Hill, Odell Beckham Jr., DeAndre Hopkins, Stefan Diggs, Jawan Jennings.
06:12If your overall point is the big names that are out there, Jennings was the dumbest one
06:17to put in there.
06:18And yet, he's probably the most viable as an asset to go sign if you're a team that's
06:23looking for a wide receiver.
06:24My question, Seth, should the Texans be kicking tires on any of these guys?
06:28No, not right this moment.
06:30I think by virtue of that many, like, named guys, there are a lot of lesser names that
06:34I'd be more excited about due to upside or what have you.
06:38Because, for one, half of those guys that he mentioned are on the backside of their career
06:42to an extreme degree.
06:45And, I mean, Debo Samuel, he hasn't had, like, he hasn't done much at all.
06:52He was a disappointment in Washington.
06:53Yeah, and he was a disappointment in San Francisco his last couple years there.
06:56Really, ever since he got his big contract.
07:00So, I think that for right now, the biggest unknown for the Texans is where exactly is
07:05Tank Dell in his rehab.
07:07And what are the chances, realistically, that he plays and contributes and maybe even gets
07:11back to the peak version of himself.
07:13But until you have some clarity on Tank Dell, there's no reason to bring all of those huge
07:18names out there in.
07:21Because then, all of a sudden, you've got a wide receiver room that's too crowded.
07:25And they can go out and find guys.
07:26I guarantee you, you can find 20 other guys that are going to contribute more than Odell
07:31Beckham Jr.
07:32For sure.
07:32Sometime between now and training camp.
07:34And nobody even knows that Tyreek Hill is going to play this year.
07:37Well, and I thought, among the other things I thought he got wrong is he was saying that
07:42we could see some activity with these names specifically in the weeks leading up to the draft.
07:47These are names that are going to wait and see what teams do at wide receiver in the draft
07:53before they go sign anywhere.
07:54And oh, by the way, these are also names that probably don't feel like showing up at OTAs
07:57and minicamp as well.
07:59Yeah.
07:59You know, these are names that would normally sign like in June.
08:02These are largely older guys that he's named in here.
08:05I'm offended also on behalf of just, did he mention DeAndre Hopkins?
08:09He did.
08:09Yep.
08:09Okay.
08:10All right.
08:10I missed the Hopkins.
08:11I was hung up on the Odell Beckham Jr.
08:13For those, yeah.
08:14Here, Hopkins was right after OBJ.
08:16Here are the six names once again.
08:17If you're just getting in your car, Adam Schefter laid out what the free agent wide receiver
08:22market looks like, and he's smitten with the big names and the glitz and the glamour
08:26without having looked at any of their stats.
08:28Debo Samuel, Jawan Jennings, Tyreek Hill, Odell Beckham Jr., DeAndre Hopkins, Stefan Diggs.
08:35The thing that's interesting just locally here, Seth, those are six names.
08:40You know, four of them have some sort of tie to the Texans.
08:43Debo Samuel and Jawan Jennings were in the building with D'Amico in San Francisco, so
08:47he presumably has some level of intel on them.
08:51And then DeAndre Hopkins and Stefan Diggs are both guys that are former Texans.
08:57And, you know, Diggs played for D'Amico Ryans.
08:59Hopkins never crossed paths with D'Amico.
09:02He was drafted two years after D'Amico had been traded to Philadelphia.
09:07But still, plenty of people know plenty of things about DeAndre Hopkins in the building
09:11there for sure.
09:12Jawan Jennings would be an interesting one specifically if they all of a sudden got pessimistic
09:17about Tank Dell or if one of the rookies or somebody else got injured because as a third
09:23receiver or as a guy that can be used in the rotation or maybe with, you know, untapped
09:28upside, whatever it might be, that would be an interesting one.
09:32Yep.
09:32But I think right now you've just, they've got too many guys that they actually like
09:38in the receiver room and that they want to give opportunities to get reps.
09:42I think they want to see Jalen Knoll get a lot more opportunities this year.
09:46That that's the last place right now that I would be, that I would be concerned about.
09:50And what are you doing?
09:51What are you going to do?
09:51Bring in Odell Beckham Jr.
09:53for veteran leadership or something?
09:54No, no, no.
09:54What the hell are you talking about, Schefter?
09:56No.
09:56Well, why did you put Odell Beckham Jr.
09:58in that conversation?
09:59Some team might bring in Odell Beckham Jr.
10:00There's 32 teams and there's a lot of dumb ones out there.
10:03You know, even it's not necessarily dumb, just if you want to bring him in for a specific
10:06reason or something, but it's not, it's not a huge mystery that Odell Beckham Jr.
10:10is out there on the, that's like saying Jerry Rice is out there.
10:13I just said Jerry Rice a few minutes ago.
10:15Steve Largent's out there too, man.
10:18Charlie Joyner is out there.
10:19Is Charlie Joyner still alive?
10:20Look it up.
10:21If he is, he's out there.
10:23Tom Coughlin was a receiver at Syracuse.
10:25He's out there.
10:26He's out there.
10:27Sign him.
10:28He brings leadership to the wide receiver room.
10:30Yeah.
10:30If you want a player coach.
10:32A special kind of leadership to that wide receiver room.
10:35I actually saw there was a picture that just came across my timeline yesterday of him wearing
10:39coaching gear.
10:40I think at a Syracuse practice or something.
10:42He must have been visiting.
10:43Yeah.
10:43So did he go to Syracuse?
10:45He lives, yeah, he went to Syracuse.
10:47He was a teammate of Jim Brown.
10:49Wow.
10:50And he was a receiver.
10:51I wasn't joking about that.
10:52Yeah, yeah.
10:52No, I believe you.
10:52So, but he lives up, he moved back to his hometown, which is up near Syracuse.
10:58He must have been visiting.
10:59Yeah.
10:59It was pretty cool seeing him in the coaching gear.
11:01Yeah, that's cool.
11:02Text message, base power text line.
11:04Didn't we hear that this NFL draft is really deep at defensive tackle?
11:07This goes back to our mock draft in the previous segment.
11:10Wouldn't it make sense to wait on defensive tackle and try to get an offensive lineman with
11:16your 28th pick?
11:17I always feel like that's getting a little too cute.
11:19I'm always like, whatever, if you think the guy is the best guy on the board right there
11:23and it's a position where you need a guy, take the guy.
11:26No, but also knowing the way that Cotterio operates, where he doesn't tend to fall in
11:30love with one particular player, at least not other than like a Will Anderson or somebody
11:34like that.
11:34He talks about bands of players.
11:37And I think in specific position groups, the defensive tackle looks, there are a lot
11:42of guys that look like, hey, these are guys you would take at the top half of the
11:45second round, and there's a really good chance that that's exactly what happens.
11:50I would see, I could see Cotterio completely saying, we'll see what happens and either
11:55trade back.
11:56I don't, it doesn't have to be an either or situation.
11:59I think that it might be possible that he trades back into the top of the second round
12:03and they take an offensive lineman and a defensive tackle with their first pick in
12:07the second round and the 38th pick that they already have.
12:10Yep.
12:10Um, Payne and Pendergast with you here on a, um, on a, uh, Wednesday, it's a Wednesday.
12:17Yep.
12:17No, I'm sorry.
12:18I was looking at something in the rundown.
12:19Um, Dawn Staley, uh, just to close the book on this from the petty cast yesterday, because
12:24if you're a listener at this time, you're probably a petty cast listener.
12:27Um, cause we had played Gino Auriemma's apology to Dawn Staley for practically accosting
12:35her after the semifinal game in the women's basketball tournament.
12:38I, Dawn Staley put out a statement yesterday, Seth, and I had a response to it on Twitter
12:42and I'm curious to see what you think.
12:44Cause we had asked, oh, have the two of them, Gino and Dawn Staley interacted at all other
12:49than just Gino putting out a written apology to her because he was mad that she didn't shake
12:54his hand before the game, which she actually did shake his hand before the game.
12:58Dawn Staley said this yesterday in a statement with the college women's basketball season behind
13:04us, it's time to move forward and close the chapter on how our semifinal game with UConn
13:08ended.
13:09I spoke with Gino and I want to be clear.
13:11I have a great deal of respect for him and what he's meant to the game.
13:14One moment doesn't define a career.
13:15It doesn't change the impact he's had on growing women's basketball.
13:19The standard at UConn is what it is because of him.
13:21And that's something this game has benefited from.
13:24So I'm asking everyone, this is Dawn Staley.
13:27I'm asking everyone to turn the page.
13:28Let's refocus on what matters most, continuing to elevate our game, creating opportunities
13:34and pushing it forward.
13:35That's always been my mission and it's not changing.
13:38End quote.
13:39My response to this was I had not been, I've never been more interested in women's basketball
13:45than I was over the last week or so with all this Dawn Staley, Gino Auriemma stuff.
13:50Yeah.
13:50It added some juice for me.
13:52Yeah.
13:52I guess if you're one of the all-time great coaches or whatever, anything in a college
13:57sport, you're probably not all that keen on like, yeah, what we need is more, well,
14:01we need more WWE style stuff to bring attention to the sport.
14:04I'm just saying I disagree with her.
14:06I think you did a hell of a job growing the sport last week.
14:09I think this is a Machiavellian move by her, whether intentionally or unintentionally, where
14:14she now looks like the much bigger person than Gino Auriemma.
14:18And this is her emphatically slamming down her hand and saying, yep, sorry about it,
14:26Gino.
14:26I'm going to be gracious as hell about all this.
14:29You know what's funny?
14:29Gino then put out another statement after Dawn Staley.
14:32They're going to try to outgrace each other.
14:34They're going to try to outstatement each other.
14:36Yeah.
14:36He talks about how they spoke yesterday morning about the game last Friday, apologized to her,
14:43her staff, and her team.
14:44I've lost more games in the final four than any coach in history.
14:48That's kind of a flex right there by him.
14:50Yeah.
14:50Dawn Staley is now going to release a statement saying, not only do I think Gino Auriemma is
14:55a great guy, but I would, if I, I've now made him godfather to my children.
15:01And if anything should happen to me, I trust him to raise them in the, in the proper way.
15:05Right.
15:06And then Gino puts out a statement saying Dawn Staley is now the executor of his estate.
15:10Yeah.
15:10Like they just keep trying to one up each other.
15:12Soon they'll be married.
15:12Soon they'll be in a hot tub together in Sedona, Arizona.
15:16That's what's going to happen.
15:18It's the only way this thing ends.
15:19It's where it ends.
15:20Yeah.
15:20It's the only place this whole thing can end.
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