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ITL tackles a topic Texans fans may not want to think about yet: is it really that crazy to consider the Texans drafting a quarterback at some point, or is that just smart business in today’s NFL?
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00:00I thought of this yesterday and put it down here.
00:05Just as a thought exercise here, so to speak.
00:08That's what we do here.
00:09I think thought exercises.
00:10Figgy brought it up in passing a few days, maybe a week ago or so, but let me.
00:15Let me just lay this out.
00:17The Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes.
00:20Number 10 overall.
00:21When Alex Smith had just taken them, Alex Smith Pro Bowler that year.
00:25By the way, had just taken them to an 11 and four.
00:27Back when it meant something.
00:28Yeah, exactly.
00:29To an 11.
00:3011 and four season and a divisional playoff loss.
00:33The Eagles drafted.
00:35Jalen Hurts in the second round, mind you, off a nine and seven season.
00:40And then another playoff berth, a wild card loss with Carson Wentz.
00:45As the established starter.
00:47The Packers drafted Jordan Love.
00:50In 26th overall, coming off a 13 and three season.
00:55And a conference championship loss with Aaron Rodgers as the quarterback.
00:59And maybe.
01:00Maybe this is the most key one of all.
01:02The New England Patriots drafted Jimmy Garoppolo.
01:05In the second round, coming off a 12 and four season with Tom.
01:10Freaking Brady as, as the quarterback.
01:12Is it that crazy?
01:14Well.
01:15I think that there needs to be some qualifying in here as well.
01:17Because the Texans did draft a quarterback last year.
01:20His name is Graham Mertz.
01:21Sixth rounder.
01:22Right.
01:22And I think that there's probably.
01:24Can I.
01:24Can I.
01:25Make it that there's three buckets of draft in a quarterback.
01:28Right.
01:28There's.
01:29And I'll go from.
01:30Less.
01:30Least.
01:31Least.
01:32Lester.
01:33Least.
01:33Least.
01:34Very good.
01:34I'll go.
01:35From least to probably most important of these.
01:38There's what you did last year, which is.
01:40Just kind of flyer at the end of the draft.
01:42Yeah.
01:42And I'll consider UDFAs in there as well.
01:44But.
01:45Maybe a sixth, seventh round type quarterback.
01:47That you're like.
01:48It's clear that this is not.
01:49Mm-hmm.
01:50Going to be a starter.
01:51Barring miraculous circumstances.
01:53And you end up with Tom Brady.
01:54This is.
01:55Just flyer.
01:56Yeah.
01:56You know.
01:57We've.
01:57We've addressed some issues.
01:58We're here.
01:59And we kind of like.
02:00What this guy has.
02:00We want to see.
02:01But you're drafting him to.
02:03Exclusively be a backup by all rights.
02:04At.
02:05Best case.
02:05Maybe fighting for a chance to be a backup.
02:08Right.
02:08That's better.
02:09Yeah.
02:09Right.
02:09Right.
02:10Then I think there's one of those mid-round guys.
02:13That you can think about a third, fourth round.
02:15Or that you get.
02:15Like.
02:15Okay.
02:16This is.
02:17This is likely to be our backup with.
02:19We'll see if there.
02:19There.
02:20There's something that pops off.
02:21But we just.
02:22Want to do that.
02:22Yeah.
02:23And then there is.
02:24Drafting.
02:24Second.
02:25Second rounder.
02:25First.
02:25Second rounder.
02:26Late second rounder.
02:26Which.
02:27The Texans have that pick.
02:28First.
02:28Second rounder.
02:29Where you're like.
02:29We are.
02:30Drafting a player.
02:30Even first.
02:31Second rounder.
02:32That feels like there's a distinction in there.
02:33But you get what I mean.
02:33Somewhere where you're like.
02:34Yeah.
02:35Somewhere where you're like.
02:35We anticipate this player impacting us.
02:37Because a first or second round pick matters.
02:40Those are players that you anticipate.
02:41Yeah.
02:41Playing on the field.
02:43Either as a starter immediately.
02:44Or working.
02:45Yeah.
02:45Taking to a starter very quickly.
02:46Which of those buckets are you walking up here?
02:48Because I don't think it's the line.
02:49The.
02:49The.
02:50The very first one.
02:50It's not the Graham Mertz.
02:51You're not talking about the Graham Mertz level.
02:52No.
02:53Because.
02:53Who knows if he's even going to play.
02:54Okay.
02:55But.
02:56But.
02:56Okay.
02:56A few things.
02:57In terms of what you just said.
02:59What.
03:00What if.
03:00You know.
03:01There's somebody.
03:02And keep in mind.
03:03Players like Ty Simpson.
03:04Ty Simpson.
03:05Carson Beck.
03:06The kid out of Florida.
03:08What's his name?
03:08Is it Florida?
03:09Florida.
03:10But anyway.
03:10There's some.
03:10Some highly ranked.
03:11Let's just say Ty Simpson.
03:13And Carson Beck.
03:13The dude out of Florida would be Lagwane.
03:14Lagwane.
03:15No not Lagway.
03:15I'm thinking of somebody else.
03:17But forget that.
03:18Kind of like a project.
03:19Like.
03:20A project.
03:20But no.
03:20But Ty Simpson.
03:21And Carson Beck are projected.
03:23Late second to early.
03:25Third round.
03:26Okay.
03:26Suppose they.
03:27They spend.
03:28A late second round.
03:30Pick on Carson Beck.
03:32Here's the thing that.
03:33The reason I say it is.
03:35Is it crazy?
03:36Number one.
03:37Are you sending a message.
03:38To CJ Strauss.
03:40Are you sending a message.
03:41About how you feel.
03:41About CJ Strauss.
03:43Or are you.
03:44Are you going to send.
03:45Them off the rails.
03:46You know.
03:46Because CJ Strauss.
03:47Will know what that guy is.
03:48Yeah.
03:48I think.
03:49I think.
03:50I think it's more the latter.
03:51I think.
03:51But should that matter?
03:52You're more operating.
03:53To take him off in that moment.
03:55Because in that instance.
03:57That level of quarterback.
03:58Still needs a lot of development.
03:59As well.
04:00And needs burn.
04:01If you were going to do that.
04:02You would need to do it.
04:03You need.
04:04Ain't no half stepping.
04:04Right.
04:05In this circumstance.
04:05You would need to commit.
04:07In that way.
04:07If you're doing that.
04:09And.
04:10I think.
04:10There's a couple other things to note.
04:11A lot of the circumstances.
04:12You're talking about here.
04:14You're.
04:14You're.
04:15Most frequently.
04:15Not talking about quarterbacks.
04:17That are.
04:18In their third.
04:19Year ahead.
04:20Into their fourth year.
04:21Of their contract.
04:22So I think there's a little bit.
04:23Of a distinction.
04:23How you feel about that.
04:24Except maybe.
04:25Carson Wentz is the.
04:26Is the variable there.
04:27And then secondly.
04:29Because of the.
04:30Quarterback room that you already have.
04:31And it sounds weird to say this.
04:32But Davis Mills.
04:33If.
04:34If we are to take.
04:35This the way that you know.
04:36The conversations have been about him.
04:38Is like.
04:38One of those borderline.
04:40Kind of.
04:40Yeah.
04:41You know.
04:41Back up.
04:42Maybe you could be a.
04:43Bridge.
04:44Bridge starter.
04:45And so you'd be muddling it.
04:47If that was the case.
04:48In this.
04:49To get.
04:50Bring in another quarterback.
04:51Of maybe a similar caliber.
04:53To Davis Mills.
04:54With.
04:55Without the experience.
04:55In that instance.
04:56Wouldn't you just.
04:57Let's see if we can hack.
04:58With Davis Mills.
04:59For a little bit.
05:00Yeah.
05:00I think that could be a little tricky.
05:02Kind of localizing it.
05:03Talking about the Houston Texans.
05:04I.
05:05I think that could be real tricky.
05:06Because.
05:07The other quarterbacks.
05:08You talked about.
05:09Or the other teams.
05:09You talked about.
05:10That did something like this.
05:12They did have.
05:12Have.
05:13Established quarterbacks.
05:15Where their job wasn't in question.
05:17But.
05:17It still caused a lot of stir.
05:19Even with Aaron.
05:20Rodgers.
05:20Remember when they drafted.
05:22Jordan Love.
05:22Yeah.
05:23And he was just like.
05:24What?
05:25What the hell man.
05:26You used the first round pick.
05:28I think it was.
05:2926.
05:29Yeah.
05:30Yeah.
05:30You used the first round pick.
05:31And I want some receivers.
05:33But.
05:33That kind of caused a stir.
05:34Yeah.
05:35But.
05:35As far as the organization.
05:37It was smart for them to do that.
05:38It absolutely was.
05:39And they do that.
05:39They.
05:40They.
05:40They.
05:40They.
05:40They probably the best at doing that too.
05:42And that's the.
05:42The proverbial devil's advocate that I'm playing for.
05:45From an organizational standpoint.
05:47First of all.
05:48We don't know what they really think about CJ.
05:49CJ.
05:50Stroud.
05:50Nobody does.
05:52But if they have any doubts.
05:53You know.
05:53If they wonder about the six.
05:5550, 50, $60 million a year contract.
05:57You know.
05:58The smart thing organizationally.
05:59Would.
06:00Let's put some pressure on him.
06:01You know.
06:02Let's see how he reacts.
06:02Because they want him to come back.
06:04As we've been talking.
06:05About.
06:05You know.
06:05A little more of a buy-in.
06:06Maybe.
06:07You know.
06:07Fit.
06:07Fit.
06:08A little better.
06:08At least that's what we're thinking.
06:10At the same time.
06:11Why should it matter.
06:13To the organization.
06:15Oh.
06:15We might.
06:16We might.
06:16You know.
06:17Scare him.
06:17We might make him mad.
06:19But.
06:19This.
06:20This is the NFL man.
06:21I think.
06:21This is the NFL.
06:22I think the other thing.
06:23That some of these teams do.
06:25Scare him.
06:25Especially with Green Bay.
06:26It seems like they take a fly.
06:28I don't want to say taking the flyer.
06:29The first.
06:30This round.
06:30But.
06:31They.
06:31They get quarterbacks.
06:32Where.
06:33It seems like they kind of slide.
06:35A little bit.
06:35Where.
06:36You maybe thought.
06:37They could have.
06:38Been earlier picked.
06:39Mm-hmm.
06:40And when they fall down a little bit.
06:41They just like.
06:41All right.
06:42We'll take them.
06:42We might not need them right now.
06:44But.
06:44Yeah.
06:45He's a good enough quarterback.
06:46Where he can sit a little bit.
06:48Patriot did this when Nick Casario was in.
06:50Yeah.
06:51With Jimmy Garopp.
06:51And that.
06:51And that kind of ticked off Tom Brady a little bit.
06:54Yeah.
06:54That kind of.
06:55It's not going to cause some ruckus.
06:56Because I think Bill Belichick wanted to keep him.
06:59And they end up shipping.
07:00Them to what was it?
07:01San Francisco?
07:02I think they end up shipping them there.
07:03But.
07:03Mm-hmm.
07:03He wanted to keep him.
07:05I think this looks a little different if Davis Mills isn't seated in there.
07:08Because then you could reasonably make the argument.
07:10Well this guy can situate as a backup for circumstance as well.
07:14I think also.
07:15When you have such a clear position of need.
07:19Like the off.
07:20Offensive line.
07:20Mm-hmm.
07:21I would be frustrated if you're using a day two pick.
07:25On a quarterback.
07:26A position that is not a relative imminent need comparatively.
07:30To places where you do need to improve talents.
07:33That's kind of the other thing too.
07:34The other.
07:35The other things we talked about are kind of established.
07:37But to the point of.
07:39Screw it.
07:40We're just going to pay him?
07:41Even though you don't know?
07:41No.
07:42And I think that that's the fair point.
07:44Because.
07:44And I.
07:45I hear what you're saying.
07:46And I do like.
07:46That's more of a quarterback controversy right there.
07:48I think the idea of pushing him.
07:50And this is also complicated by Davis Mills.
07:52I think.
07:53The idea of pushing him.
07:54I would.
07:55Probably appreciate more with a free agent.
07:58Mm-hmm.
07:59Veteran back.
07:59Yeah.
08:00You know.
08:01Somebody that you.
08:02You know that you could.
08:02That could be a gap.
08:04That's the thing about.
08:05Yeah.
08:05Drafting like a third or fourth round quarterback is.
08:07I don't know.
08:08Even with a third or fourth world.
08:09Right.
08:10That you could throw them in.
08:11And they could take over.
08:12And you would get.
08:13Better results.
08:13Or results that you'd be.
08:15Combined with.
08:15Because then you're also talking about.
08:17The question mark of a young quarterback.
08:19Stepping into the league.
08:20The different.
08:20You know.
08:20The steep learning curve.
08:21All of those things.
08:22I think that that would feel a little bit different.
08:24With the veteran.
08:25Quarterback.
08:25And then that comes to the question for me.
08:27Is.
08:28Do you feel like Davis Mills.
08:29Is the.
08:30Caliber of quarterback.
08:30But you kind of know what Davis Mills is.
08:32As well.
08:33And I think the system comes into play.
08:35You know.
08:35We're talking about the system.
08:36And is it or not.
08:37A good fit for CJ Stroud.
08:39You bring it.
08:40By the way.
08:40The other quarterback I was thinking of.
08:41Was Cade Klubnick.
08:42From Clemson.
08:43He's.
08:43There you go.
08:44He's kind of a second.
08:45Like you get a Klubnick.
08:46I don't know how I feel about Cade.
08:47Like he's definitely a talented player.
08:49Yeah.
08:49A simple.
08:50And a Carson Beck.
08:52Guys who may fit this system a little better.
08:55Again.
08:55I.
08:56I think.
08:56I think where I land on this.
08:58Is it's not crazy.
08:59But it is.
09:00Risk.
09:00Yeah.
09:00I think.
09:01I think this will be more of a conversation.
09:03If they move on from Davis Mills.
09:05Let's say.
09:06Somebody decide to take him as a bridge quarterback or something.
09:10Yeah.
09:10Then they did take one of these quarterbacks you're talking about.
09:14Let's say.
09:15In the third round.
09:15I think they got a lot more needs.
09:17But let's say.
09:18In the third round.
09:19One of these.
09:20Quarterbacks slide that tie sips and slide to the third round somehow.
09:24Yeah.
09:24Yeah.
09:24I.
09:25I can see them doing that.
09:26Mm-hmm.
09:26Because they did it with.
09:27Remember.
09:28I know Deshaun Watson wasn't playing for this.
09:30franchise again.
09:30But they did take Davis Mills in the third round.
09:32Yeah.
09:33Yeah.
09:33With a quarterback on the rust.
09:35Mm-hmm.
09:35I like the idea, though.
09:37And I think that if they're doing their job.
09:40Correctly and Nick Casario is being true to that feeling of having a fiduciary responsibility.
09:44Right.
09:45You've got to think creatively in this moment, especially if you're in the place, which I
09:48imagine they need to be.
09:49And he does.
09:50And he does.
09:50Which is, you can't.
09:51I don't know that you're signing CJ up for an extension right now.
09:55So as you get closer to that as a deadline, you can be invested in CJ Stroud, but you have
09:59to be.
09:59Be cognizant of what are the other options.
10:02And this technically would be one.
10:04I don't know if it's one.
10:04That I would resort to, but I think it's, if you're going to ask the question of, is it
10:08crazy?
10:09I don't think it's.
10:09It's fully crazy, but I don't know if it's prudent right this moment.
10:13Hey, feelings.
10:14Feelings got nothing to do with it.
10:16Yeah.
10:16This is a business.
10:17It will get messy though.
10:18If that did happen.
10:19Yeah.
10:20It will get messy.
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