00:00Hey, it's the Masterpiece right here on 105 Through the Fan.
00:02Right now, we bring to you NBC5 Sports Director, Emmy Award winner,
00:07Irrational Duke hater, and guest I would not have booked.
00:10It's Newey Scruggs. Good morning, sir.
00:14Hey, baby. Are you okay?
00:17Are you okay?
00:18You know I'm not, and I feel like that's why you're here.
00:23I mean, it happened last year, so, I mean, it's not a shock.
00:27I did this before.
00:28Hmm.
00:30It did. I was at that game.
00:31Coach Kane walking through that door.
00:32Coach Kane walking through that door.
00:34So that's the first thing we got.
00:35We have to reach the acceptance bar.
00:38I did it when Hubert lost a 19-point lead to BCU, got fired.
00:41I've accepted it, and I'm good.
00:43You all may need to fire your guy, too,
00:45because we're seeing two dudes do the same thing.
00:47But if you don't want to do what Carolina did and take real action
00:52and understand that we can't keep having this happen,
00:55then you be my guest and continue with John Sean.
00:57And you think it's going to end the exact same way next year again?
01:02I don't know.
01:04I mean, I don't know who's coming in.
01:05He's like Coach Cal now.
01:06You know, Duke's not what you grew up with.
01:09That's true.
01:10You used to be guys that wanted to stay here,
01:11the Wojo's and the Bob Hurley's.
01:15You know, Greg Kubik, the white star that hung around forever in a day
01:19like Danny Sherry.
01:21Now you're just buying these dudes that come in here,
01:24claim us the brotherhood, these Cooper flags that are here.
01:26For less than nine months, I'm disappointed at what Duke basketball has become.
01:30It's not what I grew up with, or you either.
01:32You know, I told my wife, it's funny that you say that about the white player.
01:36I told my wife when we were watching the game, I was like, oh yeah,
01:39Duke has a long history of hateable white players.
01:42From Christian Laettner to J.J. Redick to Grayson Allen.
01:47I was like, we have had plenty of agitating white players to other teams over the years.
01:53Danny Ferry?
01:54Don't forget the great national player of the year, Danny Ferry, now number 35.
01:57Danny Ferry is a good one.
02:01Do you have any other helpful recommendations,
02:05or are you just here to be like UConn in the second half and dunk on me?
02:10No, no, no, no.
02:12I mean, look, I mean, you and I both get it, all right?
02:15There's joy in watching your team win, Duke for you, Carolina for me,
02:19and there's joy in watching Carolina lose.
02:22You know you had fun watching that VCU come back.
02:24Hell yeah, dude.
02:26You did.
02:26You did.
02:27In the same arena where you escaped Siena,
02:30then you guys stuck around and watched Carolina get beat.
02:33Oh, it was embarrassing.
02:34I was like, he's got to go.
02:35I had to go to dinner that night.
02:37I was a cop.
02:37He's got to go.
02:38Can't have it.
02:40I'm done.
02:40I'm finished.
02:41Thank you for beating Coach K twice at Cameron Indoor to end his career
02:46and then sit at home.
02:47Thank you, Hubert.
02:47Two of the biggest five wins ever.
02:49But we can't do this anymore.
02:51But you guys are continuing it, and I'm happy.
02:54I'm happy that you're going to continue with John Schey.
02:57Because you think it's going to end up with another catastrophic loss,
03:00and we're going to do this same thing all over again,
03:02and you're going to be like, what about now, John Schey?
03:04Are you ready to fire him?
03:08Well, I don't.
03:09You know, you guys operate differently than Carolina, so I don't know.
03:13I don't know.
03:14I mean, Johnny Dawkins should have gotten that job over John Schey anyway.
03:18I'm not going to argue that.
03:19I'm not going to argue that.
03:21The AD wanted Johnny Dawkins, but Coach K wanted John Schey.
03:24But Johnny Dawkins was the first major star that agreed to come play for Coach K,
03:29which saved his.
03:29I'm so old, I remember when people wanted to fire Coach K,
03:33when they weren't better than Wake Forest.
03:35They were the fourth team in North Carolina,
03:37where they'd get beat by 40 by Ralph Sands and Terry Hobbs and Virginia Wahoos,
03:40and people wanted to fire.
03:41But Johnny Dawkins helped save the day with Billis and Mark Allery and Tommy Amaker,
03:47and they came down to Dallas in 86.
03:48They should have won it all.
03:49They should have won it all.
03:51But they didn't.
03:51And Mike Shischewski said, I wish I was a better coach for these guys,
03:54because he was a young coach.
03:55And obviously he turned into an amazing coach, Hall of Fame coach,
03:59and he got better.
04:01John Schey is not getting better.
04:02John Schey is looking like Jason Garrett,
04:04where you're just sitting here looking at a smart guy that can't figure it out.
04:08Wow.
04:09Will Coach K ever cut the cord and not be associated with Duke basketball again,
04:14or is he always going to have a voice in what they do?
04:17He should always have a voice in what they do.
04:20You know, you don't get rid of the man to help build this brand what it is.
04:25You listen to him.
04:26You talk to him.
04:27Same thing with what you watch at North Carolina and Roy Williams,
04:30and before that at Coach Dean Smith.
04:32So they built it so you would listen to them.
04:35But I just thought that Johnny Dawkins earned it.
04:39I mean, Coach K is not who he is without Johnny Dawkins.
04:42He needed Johnny.
04:43Johnny was the one who turned it around,
04:46the guy who allowed everybody to say, you know what, you can go there and play.
04:49Because at the time in 82, when Dean Smith won it all
04:53and then Valvano wins it all in 83,
04:56and then you got Virginia going to Final Fours in 83.
04:58I mean, Coach K was cold product.
05:00Tom Butter saved this dude's bacon, but it was Johnny Dawkins.
05:03So if there was anybody who sat next to him and earned the spot,
05:07it was damn near Johnny Dawkins.
05:08I just found that to be very, very distasteful.
05:11But hey, that's just me.
05:11Now, there was a UConn fan who had to go to the ER after the game
05:18after he completely tore his Achilles celebrating the win.
05:23Worth it?
05:25God don't like ugly.
05:34But I understand the emotion because when the kid hits the shot,
05:41I'm screaming downstairs in the living room,
05:44and my child runs downstairs.
05:46She's like, is everything okay?
05:48Oh, yeah.
05:50Yeah.
05:50Daddy just saw a miracle happen.
05:52But I'm okay.
05:54We're good.
05:55We're good.
05:55Which, it wasn't as much a celebration I had last year in my kitchen
05:59when Duke got lost to Houston.
06:01But it was right up there.
06:03Yeah, I was at that game against Houston last year,
06:05and it was pretty soul-crushing.
06:08But that's been the M.O. this time of year,
06:10like you mentioned with the Carolina Final Four game.
06:15I'm going to say this, okay?
06:1736 years ago, Christian Lagner hit an amazing shot over Tate George
06:21and Duke beat UConn in New Jersey.
06:23Yes.
06:25My frat brother and I, we were sitting in Wellenthal
06:28at Pembroke State University.
06:29He jumps up, and he's rubbing it in my face.
06:33He's just, I'm just pissed.
06:36And after that game, I called him.
06:38He goes to say, Nui, I'm not talking to you right now.
06:40They hung up.
06:41I called my other frat brother.
06:42I said, do it three-way.
06:43He about to get this whooping.
06:44This is 36 years in the making.
06:46You're going to take this grief from me.
06:49So I watched a lot of stuff.
06:51When Kentucky hits the shot, 92, I called him.
06:55I'm like, dude, you're going home.
06:56I told you there's not going to be no back-to-back.
06:59We're going to be, this is over.
07:00This is ending.
07:01Lately, he hits that shot, man.
07:02Phone rang.
07:03I wouldn't answer.
07:04I had to unplug the phone, man.
07:05I had to unplug the phone.
07:06This thing, this pettiness is real.
07:08Yeah.
07:08Between Duke, Carolina, man.
07:10We live with this pettiness.
07:11I made a lot of phone calls.
07:13I had a lot of people on Facebook I had to get in touch with.
07:16Even the person who blocked me for the last four years, I had to call him.
07:20And do you not know how many people called me when Chris Jenkins of Villanova hit that shot?
07:25Yeah.
07:25It was his man.
07:26Yeah.
07:26Yeah.
07:27That was a hard day, brother.
07:29That was a hard day because I was in between the set at Channel 5.
07:33So we're in a break.
07:35I go back.
07:35I watch Jenkins hit the shot.
07:36I got to go back and do the show.
07:38I got to go back and do the show.
07:39Get on TV, man.
07:40It was hard, brother.
07:41It was hard.
07:41Yes, this is hard, man.
07:43I grew up on this stuff.
07:45This stuff is real.
07:46The pettiness is there.
07:47Because I remember when Duke had nothing and we used to joke winning championship and talk
07:51to it.
07:52Then they ended up winning two.
07:53And that was when they were like, Mike's got two.
07:55Dean's got one.
07:55That was some hard years, man.
07:57Some hard years.
07:58In 2022, I remember I turned off my phone at the end of that Final Four game against Carolina.
08:05And when I turned it back on, I had FaceTimes from Jesse Hawley.
08:09I had messages.
08:10I had everything just waiting to dunk on me.
08:14I mentioned yesterday a girl I dated like 25 years ago who went to UConn commented on
08:20my timeline on Facebook.
08:22I can't escape this.
08:25Hey, man.
08:27I've been there.
08:28It's your turn.
08:29But I've been there.
08:31It hurts.
08:32It's not fun.
08:34But it's what we do.
08:35But it makes the glory of why you watch this thing so intently.
08:38And I tell people, I love living in Texas.
08:41I've been in Texas most of my life.
08:43But my time spent in Carolina just wanted me.
08:46This is what we did.
08:47Because when I lived there, there was no professional sports at all.
08:50The Hornets weren't there.
08:52The Panthers weren't there.
08:53This was as professional as it got.
08:55And there were two things you did in North Carolina.
08:57People ask you, who was your team?
08:59And who was your driver?
09:00Who was your college team?
09:01And who was your NASCAR driver?
09:03That's what you needed to know.
09:04That's what people wanted to know.
09:05And you had to choose sides.
09:07And when I was growing up, ain't nobody choosing Duke.
09:10Who was your NASCAR driver, though?
09:13You know, I was a petty person until I became a Jeff Gordon guy.
09:17But I had to start covering it because my first job was at WBTWTB in Florida.
09:21Hold on.
09:21Pause.
09:22Pause.
09:23Pause.
09:23How are you a Jeff Gordon guy, but you aren't a Duke guy?
09:27That feels the same.
09:29Great.
09:30This is great.
09:30I'm glad you said it.
09:31So, when I first started covering the sport, Jeff was a rookie.
09:35It was his rookie year.
09:37And I had to get to learn things.
09:39And I would ask Jeff.
09:40And because nobody knew who he was, he was just the nicest guy.
09:43I talked to Jeff in the infield before anybody knew who he was back when he had that goofy mustache.
09:49So, I got to know Jeff Gordon before he became Jeff Gordon.
09:54It was Jeff Gordon and it was Kenny Wallace, who were the rookies that year.
09:57Jeff had the 24 DuPont and Kenny had that Dirt Devil black and pink car.
10:02So, nah, I was on the Jeff Gordon thing before anybody knew who that dude was.
10:07And that mustache was not a good look for him, was it?
10:10Well, yeah.
10:11No, it wasn't.
10:12It wasn't.
10:12But, yep, starting there.
10:14And that was my first job in 1992, man.
10:16Having to learn about NASCAR since Joe Gibbs first got into it.
10:20And I had to figure it out.
10:22I didn't know anything except for the fact that they had good food at the track.
10:26And so, I always showed up hungry.
10:28And I get a lot of cigarettes from my friends who like to smoke.
10:31And the smokeless tobacco because they gave it out like candy around there.
10:35They did.
10:35Yeah, they did.
10:36They definitely did around those tracks.
10:38Hey, Newey, I just saw Jim Nill, according to Aaliyah Simacopoulos from the Morning News,
10:43is now getting an extension.
10:47Can you rank the GMs in the DFW area?
10:53Yeah, it's pretty easy.
10:55Chris Young is number one because he's got a championship.
10:59At the end of the day, you win a championship around here.
11:01I mean, that's there.
11:03Golden.
11:04You know, as much as I love Jerry, the championship happened for a whole lot of folks.
11:08Were you guys born or were you just in toddlers?
11:11You were born.
11:12I was in high school, Newey.
11:13I was in high school.
11:14Okay.
11:15Okay, you're in high school.
11:16Okay, I was just saying, because, you know, I covered one of those Super Bowl teams.
11:20I'm that old.
11:20Damn.
11:21I had hair.
11:22You know?
11:23Yeah, a long time ago.
11:24I was there at Jimmy's last year.
11:25I got to cover that team.
11:27Shoot, you know, so they put Tom Landry in the ring upon him.
11:29It's been a minute.
11:30It's been a minute.
11:31So, I would go him number two.
11:36Jerry number two.
11:38Jim's number three.
11:40And that's the way.
11:41That's me.
11:42That's the gold medal stand right now.
11:44That's it.
11:45Until Michael Finley gets the GM job for the Mavericks.
11:49He should.
11:50I mean, I don't get that.
11:52I mean, here's Finn who worked for the team, was an all-star for the team.
11:55But the guy that Dirk and Steve Nash basically learned from, then he went to the Spurs and learned under
12:01that organization.
12:02We've seen how many GMs and people they've had from the Spurs organization run things.
12:07Why wouldn't you want Michael running?
12:09I don't get it.
12:10And you talk about a former player.
12:11We've seen a whole bunch of former players be able to be in charge of organizations to play for the
12:15Spurs.
12:15People like Vinny Del Negro and Sean Marks.
12:17You want to tell me that Michael Finley is not a guy who's there?
12:19And then I've heard some clown say, oh, you know what, man?
12:22Michael Finley, man, he went to our rival.
12:25You know?
12:25He disrespected the Mavericks.
12:26I'm like, please understand what happened.
12:28Michael Finley was signed to a contract, extension, and then they decided that they wanted to let him go.
12:33And afterwards, Michael had two choices he went to.
12:35It was Miami and San Antonio.
12:37Now, had he gone to Miami, he'd have been a part of the team to beat the Mavs in 06,
12:40but instead he went to the Spurs and there was another team to beat the Mavs and he won a
12:43championship.
12:43Like, what do you think he's supposed to do to start with the Charlotte Bobcats?
12:46I mean, he's going to go to a contender.
12:47But the Mavs decided they didn't want him.
12:49They wanted Jerry Stackhouse.
12:50And you know what?
12:51It worked out just fine for everybody.
12:54Do you think Kevin's going to be okay?
12:55Is he going to get past this by next year?
12:57What's my morning period like, you think?
13:02Hold on, guys.
13:03I'm sorry.
13:04I'm just driving through downtown Dallas.
13:05I hit a dead spot.
13:06Say again for me.
13:07I said, do you think Kevin's going to be okay?
13:08And he asked how long his morning period should be.
13:13Guys, I'm sorry.
13:14I'm losing here, man.
13:15All right.
13:15Hang up on this guy.
13:16Yeah, we're done with you.
13:18We're done with him.
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