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00:00They didn't make a cookie-cutter quarterback in the 70s.
00:02You had the pretty boys, you had the clunky guys who were jalopies,
00:07you had the big buck studs, you had the really god squad guys,
00:10you had a little something for everybody.
00:13Yes, sir.
00:19In this top 10, we're focusing on
00:22one position, quarterbacks, and one decade, the 70s.
00:28Should I put my bell bottoms on?
00:32The 70s was a glamorous decade.
00:35That was a very strange time.
00:36I don't think any other decade you look back on the styles
00:40with quite as much of a chuckle, maybe, as the 70s.
00:45The big hats.
00:47The shirts with the collars that came down to here.
00:50Polyester was big, you know, I had a lot of polyester pants and shirts.
00:53The fur coats, the boots, the belts, the beards,
00:57the flowered shirts, the big cool man shoes.
01:02The urban cowboy.
01:04And the Nehru suits, remember those?
01:06Yeah, man.
01:07The high-heeled shoes, I mean, guys actually wore shoes with heels on.
01:11Yes, I did, and I think even somewhere in a closet I saved a pair.
01:15Jumping jeepers.
01:16What's the matter with you guys?
01:18It was just, it was crazy, man.
01:21The 70s gave the NFL a fresh look, too.
01:25New stadiums, new...
01:30Teams, new...
01:31I just remember what a badass...
01:39...quarterbacks were.
01:40I'm not badass!
01:41But the 70s was not a golden age for passing.
01:45It was just a different game.
01:46I mean, even the 50s and 60s saw more passing than the 70s did.
01:50We were dealing with a whole set of...
01:53The 70s was considered a dead ball era,
01:56and that's why they had to change the rules to let the offenses get their bearings.
02:02Rules that may be in the start.
02:05If it was third and 14,
02:10I could sit the corner down at the sticks,
02:12and if you went to try to go by me,
02:15I knocked you down.
02:16That was prior to 1978,
02:18when the NFL made it illegal to hit a receiver
02:21further than five yards from the line of spinners.
02:24You gotta go knock anybody down, don't you, darling?
02:26Despite the dead ball era,
02:28there were some bad quarterbacks in the 70s.
02:31So here's our list of the top ten,
02:33and these aren't just the QBs
02:35who had the most wins or best stats
02:38during the meet decade.
02:39The guy has to embody the flair of the 70s.
02:42So you have to have some personality,
02:43you have to be of the decade.
02:46That's a tough list to put together.
02:47Oh, I'm gonna love this one.
02:49I'm gonna love this one.
02:50Let's go.
02:51Another ten quarterback of the 70s,
02:54Archie Manning.
02:56I don't know if Archie belongs on the list
02:58other than the fact that he sired
03:00Peyton Manning during this decade.
03:02Peyton, who's your favorite football player then?
03:04Uh, who else is gonna be on the list?
03:07Joe Ferguson?
03:08Kids now think of Archie as
03:10Eli Manning's dad or Peyton Manning's dad,
03:13but this guy did have a history before that.
03:16He's a good player.
03:18Before going all in the family,
03:20Archie Bunk, uh,
03:22Manning was a two-time pro bowler,
03:24and he was the 1978 NFC Player of the Year.
03:27I guarantee that every time a team played the Saints,
03:31they worried that Archie Manning
03:32was gonna go off that day.
03:34I remember watching Archie Manning as a kid
03:36and thinking, wow,
03:36this guy can pretty much do it all.
03:38Well, you can just close your eyes
03:39and see him running around
03:41and running around
03:42and running around.
03:43He's so much different than his sons
03:45because he was so mobile and so athletic.
03:47He would have, you know,
03:49a couple of great games a year
03:50where he single-handed
03:51and carried his game to victory.
03:55When Archie Manning went to the Saints,
03:57everybody expected great things from Archie.
04:00Manning's career at Ole Miss
04:01was swell enough
04:02to make him the number two overall pick
04:04by the Saints in the 1971 draft.
04:07Look, when you pick that high,
04:09you're gonna go to a team with a former record
04:11that they never got players after that.
04:13He should have hired an Indian Kimasabi
04:16because he was the Lone Ranger.
04:18They never really improved
04:19and they were a doormat all through his career.
04:25Manning should be much,
04:27much higher on the list.
04:29The only thing that kept Archie
04:30from being one of the greatest quarterbacks
04:33of that era
04:33was the team he was on.
04:35The Saints, the Taints, the Aints.
04:39Somewhere out there is a winning season
04:42and someday soon,
04:44the Saints are gonna find it.
04:47But under Manning,
04:48the Saints never did find a winning season.
04:51During his ten years in New Orleans,
04:54Manning won more than five games just twice.
04:57Archie's problem was
04:58we'll never find out how good he was
05:00because he was always
05:01throwing from the back of his pants.
05:03His two sons wouldn't be alive today
05:05if they played on the team he was on.
05:07He's still alive.
05:08That's amazing.
05:10Yeah.
05:11Yeah, I mean,
05:12it's still up to the quarterback
05:13no matter how bad your team is.
05:15Archie Manning in his years
05:17with the New Orleans Saints
05:19had a winning percentage of 26.3.
05:22I mean, you look at that list
05:23and there's a lot of good quarterbacks
05:26in the 70s,
05:27so yeah, I'd probably put him at 10.
05:29Coming up,
05:29we got ahead of him.
05:3070s.
05:34My guy.
05:36That's my guy.
05:37He was as good a talent
05:39as I've ever been around.
05:41He could throw it through a car wash
05:43and not get the ball run.
05:44John Riggins called him
05:45the toughest competitor he'd ever seen.
05:47Might have been the best pure passer,
05:48one of the great forgotten players
05:50in NFL history.
05:51It's a shame.
05:54Burt Jones follows Johnny Naitis.
06:00He's the guy
06:01who follows the guy.
06:03Did we find the guy
06:04when we got this guy?
06:06After two tough seasons,
06:08Jones won over fans in 1975
06:11when he led the Colts
06:12to the league's first,
06:13worst of first,
06:15turnaround.
06:16Let's go.
06:18It's a brilliant reversal
06:20in form from a year ago.
06:24Goal to win
06:25the Eastern Division Championship.
06:32Jones was,
06:32I watched him as a kid.
06:3735.
06:39In my career,
06:41I can't think of another quarterback
06:42that I would say
06:43had a better arm than Burt.
06:44Throw it through a damn wall
06:45if he had to.
06:46Burt had a laser.
06:47He had a great
06:47touch on the ball.
06:52Burt Jones,
06:52Burt Jones,
06:52Burt Jones.
06:53He was tough.
06:54He was fearless.
06:55He wasn't afraid.
06:58Brady.
06:59Guess what?
07:00Guess who Bill Belichick coached?
07:03Tom Brady.
07:04You know a quarterback's great
07:06when they can impress
07:07a guy who coaches
07:08Tom Brady.
07:13Jump up in the air
07:15and they would hit him
07:16and spin him around.
07:17He'd come down on his head
07:18and all that.
07:19Because that was the first team
07:19that he had been a coach with.
07:21One of the coaches
07:22would come over to
07:22Marshall Road and say,
07:23what are we going to run?
07:24He said, I don't know.
07:24We'll see what Burt calls.
07:25That's the kind of confidence
07:26that Ted had in Burt
07:28and I would say
07:28that's the kind of confidence
07:29that the entire team
07:31had in Burt.
07:32He was special.
08:01He won.
08:04player of the year of Burt Jones
08:06threw for the league's only
08:083,000 passes.
08:09For three years there,
08:11he was maybe the best quarterback
08:12in football.
08:14Three playoff losses
08:16and a shoulder injury
08:17not even Hawkeye Pierce could fix
08:19kept Jones from a higher spot
08:21on our list.
08:23He had the misfortune
08:24of being in the same era
08:25as a great Pittsburgh Steelers team,
08:26a great Oakland...
08:27Yep.
08:28Every time the Colts
08:29went to the playoffs,
08:30they had to run into
08:31the defending champions.
08:33And then the injury...
08:34I don't know what happened.
08:35We didn't have that much.
08:36We just had to have it.
08:37What happened to us,
08:37probably a torn rotator cuff.
08:39They never operated on it.
08:41They kept thinking
08:42it was going to heal.
08:43He kept coming back,
08:45playing great,
08:45getting re-injured.
08:46Kept coming back,
08:47getting re-injured.
08:48Basically, his career was ruined.
08:50He's going to go back in there
08:51and give it another try.
08:52The hurting Jones
08:53has a little time.
08:54Fired,
08:54and it's caught by Crosby!
08:56Look at that.
08:57One of the biggest performances
08:58by a quarterback.
09:00To me,
09:00Burt Jones is in the Hall of Fame
09:01if he doesn't get hurt.
09:02Had he not been banged up,
09:04he certainly would be somebody
09:05we'd be talking
09:06much higher on our list.
09:08Murray,
09:08quarterback in the 70s.
09:11Yes!
09:12We've got Ken
09:13at number eight.
09:14Who do you have ahead of him?
09:16Kenny was the guy
09:16who didn't make mistakes.
09:17That guy was very,
09:19very accurate and efficient.
09:20He was marvelous.
09:21He was wonderful.
09:22He was one of us.
09:23He was not separated from us
09:25like a lot of quarterbacks.
09:26That guy was a baller.
09:30I had a son
09:31who was right-handed
09:32and I wanted him
09:33to watch somebody
09:33just perform.
09:34Watch his foot work
09:35and watch his arm
09:36if you want copies.
09:56Look at that.
09:59Look at that.
10:0747 yards
10:08but this four-time Pro Bowler
10:10was known
10:11with accuracy.
10:13Sixth highest passer
10:14in the 70s.
10:16How could he be eighth?
10:20And Burt Jones
10:21was already behind him
10:22so he really should be like...
10:28I guess sixth.
10:30Because of Bradshaw.
10:33...numbers blow away
10:33most of his contemporaries.
10:35He was completing 62%
10:37of his passes
10:37at a time when
10:38the NFL average
10:39was 52%.
10:40When we did the research study
10:41on the best quarterback
10:42seasons of all time,
10:44Ken Anderson
10:45had two of the top
10:46ten seasons,
10:471974 and 1975.
10:49In 74,
10:51he led the league
10:52in both completion rate
10:53and yards per 10.
10:55He had a plus 10
10:56win-loss record
10:58for the Bengals.
10:59I mean,
10:59when you win 91 games
11:01for the Bengals,
11:01you belong on some list.
11:03Plus,
11:03great mustache,
11:04very 70s.
11:06I don't think he grew that.
11:07He was running
11:07a Bill Walsh offense
11:08before anyone knew
11:09who Bill Walsh was.
11:11He was in a lot of ways,
11:12I think,
11:12a prototype
11:13for what Bill Walsh
11:15wanted at the position.
11:16Bill and I
11:17spent a lot of time
11:17working together.
11:18Anytime you...
11:19the West Coast offense,
11:21it was really
11:21the Midwest offense.
11:23At college,
11:24it's gonna take a walk
11:25into the National Football League
11:26and we spent a lot of times
11:27on basics
11:28and looking at film.
11:29He was one of these guys
11:30that if you could ever...
11:35Boom,
11:36and he just dinked us
11:37all the time.
11:38We could never get
11:39to the sky.
11:42Thanks to you
11:44for all of us,
11:45the United Way.
11:47Kenny wasn't one
11:48of those quarterbacks
11:49that you...
11:49and he just wanted
11:50to go kill.
11:51He was a good guy
11:52that they respected.
11:53Though Anderson
11:54was righteous,
11:55his Bengals were 0-2
11:57in the playoffs
11:58during the 70s.
11:59We weren't good enough
12:00around him.
12:01I'm willing to admit that.
12:03You had to go
12:04through Pittsburgh
12:04and there was no way
12:05you were getting
12:06through Pittsburgh
12:06at the time.
12:07But still,
12:08some think his spot
12:09at number 8
12:10on our countdown
12:11is totally bogus.
12:13Ken Anderson
12:14at number 8
12:15for the all-time
12:16quarterbacks
12:17of the 70s
12:18is just an absolute
12:20travesty.
12:20Ken Anderson
12:21needs to be higher
12:21on this list.
12:22You know,
12:23he's done all the favor,
12:24but I think he was
12:24one of the real
12:25good quarterbacks
12:26of the 70s.
12:27That's too low
12:27for Ken Anderson.
12:28I think he should be
12:29in the Hall of Fame.
12:29There's a big push for it.
12:30He should get in there.
12:31Coming up,
12:32we keep it...
12:40...to look at
12:41Billy Kilmer
12:42and be told
12:42that that was
12:43one of the great
12:43quarterbacks
12:44of a decade.
12:45They're going to
12:45have a hard time
12:46with that.
12:47They see...
12:47Billy Kilmer
12:48is running an obstacle
12:50on the court.
12:51And they see
12:52Billy Kilmer.
12:52Put those two guys
12:54side to side.
12:55See what you got.
12:56They would run
12:57Billy Kilmer
12:58through the combine
12:58and see him
12:59pass like that.
13:00You'd say,
13:00okay,
13:01this guy's not even
13:02going to work.
13:02He'll be a lineman
13:03or something.
13:06Once the game started,
13:08none of that stuff
13:08seemed to matter.
13:13Kilmer began the 70s
13:14with a bunk
13:15two-win season
13:16in New Orleans.
13:18And I'll just...
13:19When I...
13:23Damn it!
13:25But his fortunes
13:26changed in 1971
13:27when George Allen
13:28was named coach
13:29in Washington
13:30and he started
13:31Bogarting
13:32quarterbacks.
13:33When George Allen
13:34took over the Redskins,
13:35he had Sonny Jurgensen.
13:36But George believed
13:37in Billy Kilmer.
13:38He thought this guy
13:39was a winner
13:39and he wanted
13:40to get a second quarterback.
13:41I would imagine
13:42that they might
13:44trade him.
13:45And it proved
13:46to be a brilliant move
13:47because Jurgensen
13:47got hurt.
13:48Kilmer becomes
13:49the starting quarterback
13:50and wins the NFC championship
13:52in 1972.
13:53Turned out to be
13:54one of the great
13:55acquisitions in history.
14:02George brought
14:03Billy in
14:03for the very reason
14:04that he was so tough.
14:06If you were starting
14:07a list
14:07of players
14:08from that era
14:09that had the biggest
14:10heart,
14:10I think he'd start
14:11with Billy Kilmer.
14:12You'd always see him.
14:13He'd be getting punched
14:14in the nose.
14:15I told him,
14:16I said,
14:16you've got to stop
14:17this bleeding.
14:17He went over there,
14:18he was better
14:18than any cut man
14:19in pro boxing.
14:21Billy really should
14:21have been playing
14:22for a blue collar town
14:23instead of Washington.
14:25He'd have fit better
14:26with Cleveland
14:26or Pittsburgh
14:28or Buffalo
14:29because that's
14:30the kind of play it was.
14:31The Bears defense
14:31dominated the game
14:33and left Washington's
14:34offense as shredded
14:35as a Nixon memo.
14:36The reason why
14:37I believe Billy
14:38should be on this list
14:39is because of his
14:40toughness.
14:40It certainly wasn't
14:41because of the beauty
14:41of his passes,
14:42I can tell you.
14:43He belonged on the list.
14:46He's not about 10 years.
14:47He threw about
14:48the most ugly ball
14:49you ever saw.
14:50If you saw the ball,
14:51he may not be
14:52in the top 25.
14:53I don't think
14:54there were too many spirals
14:55that Billy Kilmer threw.
14:57Receivers like
14:58Charlie Taylor
14:59and Jerry Smith
15:00now went all out
15:01to pull in
15:02Bill Kilmer's
15:03wobbly ball.
15:05Every time
15:05I was a Redskins fan
15:06watch
15:07I throw the ball
15:08for X.
15:08That was my fault.
15:09And it was like
15:10hey, that's just
15:11how he rolls, man.
15:12Just go with it.
15:12That's why I tried
15:13to hit you in the chest
15:14and I didn't.
15:15Ugly passes
15:16and maybe uglier wins
15:17but he did win.
15:20You won in Washington.
15:21I would find
15:22room on this list
15:23for Dan Fouts
15:24and it might be
15:25Billy Kilmer
15:25who might suffer
15:26my Turk.
15:28You're out of here.
15:29You're out of here.
15:30You know,
15:31Dan Fouts,
15:32half his career
15:32has played in the 70s.
15:34He's in the Hall of Fame.
15:34He's not on the top 10 list.
15:36Billy Kilmer
15:36I don't think
15:37really is a threat
15:39to be a member
15:39of the Pro Football
15:40Hall of Fame
15:40at this point.
15:41I'm totally going to
15:42defend Billy Kilmer
15:43on this list
15:43because he looks
15:45like he would be
15:46playing football
15:47in the backyard
15:48of Brady Bunch.
15:48I don't think
15:49he'd get him off
15:50that list in the 70s.
15:51If we're talking
15:51about the big arm
15:53and all the measurables
15:54then no,
15:55he doesn't belong
15:56on this list.
15:57If we're talking
15:57about winning
15:58football games,
16:00he belongs.
16:01As a starting quarterback
16:03with the Redskins,
16:04he never had
16:05a losing season
16:05with them
16:06and he took them
16:06to the playoffs
16:07on multiple occasions.
16:08This ball goes
16:08to Billy Kilmer
16:09because he's
16:10Oh!
16:11Oh!
16:12Oh!
16:12Oh!
16:13Oh!
16:13Oh!
16:14Oh!
16:16Oh!
16:18Oh!
16:20Oh!
16:20Oh!
16:21Oh!
16:21Oh!
16:21Oh!
16:22Oh!
16:22Oh!
16:23Oh!
16:23Oh!
16:23Oh!
16:25Oh!
16:26Jim Hart!
16:27What?
16:28Cardinal Kuhl
16:29in the hottest
16:29situations
16:30is a matter of heart.
16:32Quarterback Jim Hart.
16:33Jim Hart was the guy
16:34who had decent receivers.
16:37He always connected
16:38on his passes.
16:39Never won games.
16:41During his 18 years
16:42in St. Louis,
16:43Jim Hart lost
16:44more games
16:45than he won.
16:46But in 1974,
16:4875,
16:48and 76,
16:49the Card...
16:51He actually had
16:52a winning record
16:53during the 70s.
16:54NFL's making
16:55and successful.
16:56They only played
16:56for them.
16:57But they went
16:5831-11
16:59in three regular
17:00seasons
17:01behind Jim Hart.
17:02But Hart and
17:03the Cardinals
17:04looked like
17:04Scoobies at the
17:05disco
17:06in the playoffs
17:06going 0-2.
17:09It was such a
17:09bummer
17:10because he was
17:10a great...
17:11Jim Hart.
17:12Jim on the
17:13Cowboys.
17:14He definitely
17:14would have won
17:15some playoff games.
17:16Maybe a Super Bowl.
17:17Yeah.
17:18A lot of us
17:19being in the right
17:20place at the right
17:21time.
17:21And one
17:22dynamite place
17:23to be
17:23before a quarterback
17:24is under the
17:25tutelage of
17:26the mad genius
17:27Don Air Correale.
17:29We drank the wine
17:30and we ate the crab.
17:31When Correale
17:32wasn't talked
17:32to a phone owner,
17:33he was dialing up
17:34the most advanced
17:35passing offense.
17:38And I would say,
17:40OK, Don,
17:40OK.
17:41Correale's
17:41A-style attack
17:42helped pile up
17:43the numbers.
17:44One quarterback
17:45on our list
17:45passed yards
17:46and yards per game
17:47than Hart did
17:48during the 70s.
17:50That Correale offense,
17:51everyone associates
17:52it with San Diego.
17:54OK, he needs
17:54to be on the list.
17:56But he wasn't
17:56efficient.
17:58Only Tarkenton
17:59beat him out
18:00in the 70s
18:01and that was
18:01by 800 yards.
18:05That's very good.
18:08But it really
18:08started in
18:09St. Louis.
18:10And of course,
18:11the biggest thing
18:11is the trigger man
18:12that I played
18:12quarterback for.
18:15I think that's
18:16a pretty good spot
18:16for him.
18:16He should be
18:17a little lower,
18:18but I think
18:19that's a very,
18:20very good spot
18:20for him.
18:21I have a real issue
18:22with Jim Hart
18:22being on this list.
18:23He played for 18 years.
18:25You know how many
18:25of those seasons
18:26he had more
18:27touchdowns than
18:27interceptions?
18:28Three.
18:29He's number six
18:30on the list.
18:31You guys are
18:32out of your mind.
18:33I'd probably
18:33move him up.
18:35No,
18:35a little lower
18:36than my opinion.
18:38Hart was a guy
18:38I think people
18:39always underrated
18:40for a couple years.
18:42Jim Hart was as good
18:43as anybody in the game.
18:48And now,
18:49the number five
18:50quarterback of the
18:51sevens,
18:52the snake,
18:53Ken Stable.
18:54He should be
18:54from five.
18:57Ken Stable,
18:58the snake,
18:58man.
18:59That was the guy.
19:00Come on,
19:01five.
19:02Kenny's five.
19:03This guy,
19:05please,
19:05check his comebacks.
19:06He could hit
19:07a gnat in the ass
19:08with a football
19:09from 40 yards
19:10out.
19:10All pro a few years.
19:11The most underrated
19:12quarterback of the decade.
19:13Super Bowl winner.
19:14No one looked
19:15like him.
19:15In a decade
19:16in touchdowns,
19:17first in completion
19:18percentage,
19:20fourth in passer rating,
19:22one MVP,
19:23one Super Bowl.
19:25What,
19:26what,
19:26what did he have
19:27to do when he
19:27got in top four?
19:30Fly?
19:31No played like him.
19:32No one talked like him.
19:33Really,
19:33no one won like him
19:34in the 70s as well.
19:35Should be at least
19:36in the top three.
19:40Okay,
19:40in the huddle today,
19:41we got the snake
19:42in quarterback.
19:42Snake Stable,
19:43the snake.
19:44The snake,
19:44the snake.
19:45Since an
19:50returning a punt
19:51back and forth
19:52across the field,
19:53somebody said he runs
19:54like a snake
19:54and stuck around.
19:56The 70s was kind
19:57of a renegade era.
19:5840 renegades
19:59together,
19:59you know.
20:00Nobody embodied
20:01that period
20:02like Kenny Stabler did.
20:03The long hair,
20:04devil may care.
20:05We were just a bunch
20:06of fun-loving guys
20:07that push curfew
20:08a little bit.
20:08Don't let what you do
20:10the night before
20:11affect the way
20:12that you play
20:12the following day.
20:13I don't think
20:13we ever did,
20:14but we did have fun
20:15and read the game
20:16plan by the light
20:17of the jukebox
20:17sometimes.
20:19As a young Catholic
20:20kid growing up,
20:21you could look
20:21at Ken Stabler
20:22and think,
20:23you know,
20:24there is another way
20:24to live this life
20:25and it might be
20:26more fun
20:26than the way
20:26I'm being taught.
20:27He was very
20:28un-Stabler,
20:29if you ask me.
20:30Ha!
20:30Ha!
20:32Ha!
20:35Uh,
20:35Penny Strowers.
20:37He was a
20:37guy for that
20:38tease him,
20:40tease him,
20:40tease him,
20:41then go long.
20:42He was deadly
20:42accurate with
20:43intermediate passes
20:44with Fred Boletnikoff
20:45or with Dave Casper.
20:46He's got a Casper!
20:47But then Cliff Branch
20:48and he just had
20:49this symbiotic relationship.
20:51He's got a Casper!
20:51He's got a Casper!
20:52He's got a Casper!
20:54Born on Christmas Day,
20:56Ken Stabler
20:57had a hand
20:57in the Holy Roller
20:58and a few other
20:59of the decade's
21:00most miraculous moments.
21:03The Dolphins
21:04have scored
21:05on the most
21:06absolutely
21:07impossible
21:08dream of the play!
21:09And when he threw
21:10the sea of hands
21:11against the Dolphins,
21:13it was his defining
21:14moment as a quarterback.
21:20Do I have to talk
21:21about Ghost of the Post?
21:23Ha!
21:23My memory of him
21:24will always be
21:24the bubble over time
21:25game at Christmas Eve
21:26when they beat us.
21:27I guess we'll have to talk about it.
21:28He's going to have a shoulder
21:29catch!
21:29He was one of those players.
21:31I really should skip
21:32because it happened
21:33to Baltimore,
21:34but that's a great play.
21:36It would capture
21:37the moment
21:37of greatness.
21:41What he had
21:42was a great insight,
21:44a great ability
21:45to make the big play
21:47when he needed to.
21:48He needed to.
21:49Always a showman,
21:50our number five quarterback,
21:52led the Raiders
21:53to five conference
21:54championship games
21:55and a win
21:56in Super Bowl XI.
21:59Josh,
21:59a hype is never
22:00playing a highland
22:01with more nexterity
22:03than Kenny Stabler
22:04is playing
22:04the Minnesota Viking defense.
22:06Every time we play,
22:07we always give the people
22:08eight bucks worth
22:09or whatever the tickets cost.
22:10I had all these ideas.
22:12You know,
22:12let's do this.
22:12We'll give it up.
22:13Boom, he goes there.
22:14You go there.
22:14So I'm facing the field
22:15of Stabler's
22:16face with me
22:17and he says,
22:17you know what,
22:18guy?
22:18No, what, what, what,
22:19what?
22:20Yeah, what, what?
22:20Yeah, what are we going to do?
22:22And he goes,
22:23boy, he says,
22:24these fans are getting
22:24their money's worth
22:25today, aren't they?
22:31Come on.
22:31I just think he had it all.
22:33What a joke.
22:33That's what a burger.
22:34I'd rank the snake
22:35number one.
22:36It's a crime
22:37that Kenny Stabler
22:38is not an old thing.
22:39A joke.
22:40Get this thing right, guys.
22:44The number four
22:46quarterback of the 70s,
22:48Bob Breezy.
22:50Robert Breezy.
22:51You don't agree,
22:52Bob had physical skills
22:54and was gifted
22:55as a quarterback.
22:56What?
22:56He was just like,
22:57Robert Breezy.
22:59The, the,
23:01Bonaconti,
23:02Little,
23:02Anderson,
23:03Zonka,
23:04Warfield.
23:05The sixth best
23:06Dolphin
23:06of his own peak?
23:08No.
23:13He was the master
23:15chess player.
23:16He was the guy
23:16that was moving
23:17all of the parts around.
23:20He's in the Hall of Fame,
23:21so obviously people felt
23:23he was a pretty good
23:23quarterback,
23:24but they didn't call
23:24on him to do a lot.
23:27All he did was,
23:28here Zonk,
23:29here Merc,
23:30here Kick,
23:31and then once in a while,
23:32Ball,
23:33Mandich.
23:36Every pass
23:36hooked you
23:37when you were playing
23:38against him.
23:38I don't know
23:39there was ever
23:39a smarter quarterback
23:40at least during this era.
23:41I have scars
23:42on myself
23:43and him.
23:46Ball control.
23:47He,
23:48he played.
23:50He went 17-1
23:52in the Dolphins
23:53Super Bowl seasons
23:55and threw for
23:562,000 yards
23:57in two seasons.
24:002,000 yards
24:02in two seasons.
24:02That's terrible
24:03for even then.
24:12when he had
24:13Jim Kick,
24:14Mercury Morris,
24:15and Larry Zonk,
24:16they're a running team.
24:19He would have games
24:2110 for 12
24:22for 295 yards,
24:24and one would be
24:25a 75-yard pass
24:26to Warfield.
24:27understood Don Shuler's
24:29system
24:29probably better
24:30than Don Shuler
24:31himself.
24:32He was an unselfish
24:33person.
24:34As long as the team
24:35won,
24:35he was happy.
24:36The quarterback
24:36should be happy
24:38with the team
24:38performance
24:39and not with
24:39individual performances.
24:45Though not known
24:46for primo stats,
24:47Bob Greasy
24:48Lightning's
24:48passer rating
24:49for the decade
24:50is the highest
24:50of anyone
24:51on our list.
24:52Can you dig it?
24:54What?
24:54My talus dry control.
24:56A man's hairspray.
24:58Nice game, Bob.
25:00But despite
25:01six Pro Bowls
25:02and nine winning
25:03seasons in the 70s,
25:04critics aren't
25:05down with his
25:07mellow numbers.
25:08What are his
25:09first seven passes?
25:10In the one
25:11Super Bowl.
25:16I know he won,
25:17but he's got to
25:17do more of it,
25:18see?
25:19Greasy wasn't
25:19a great passer.
25:20His gift was
25:21he was a great
25:21quarterback.
25:22He knew how to
25:23manage a game,
25:24set up a defense,
25:25and run the plays
25:25he wanted to run
25:26when he wanted
25:27to run them.
25:28I think he's
25:28too high on that list.
25:30He shouldn't be
25:30ahead of Kenny
25:32Anderson.
25:32I might put
25:33Stabler ahead of him.
25:34I might not.
25:35Look, Bob would
25:36have been on a team
25:37that didn't have
25:37a running game
25:38and was forced
25:39to throw the ball
25:40who knows,
25:41maybe he'd been
25:41a little bit
25:41higher up.
25:44Maybe he would've
25:46been out of the league
25:47like he was
25:48going to be
25:49before Don Shula
25:50walked there.
25:52The secret
25:53of the early
25:54part of his career.
25:56Robert Jones with Don Shula
25:58and this is no
25:59argument.
26:00Actually,
26:00he'd be legally
26:01blind in one eye.
26:02He always struck me
26:03as more of a guy
26:04in the control room
26:05at Cape Canaveral
26:06than he was a quarterback.
26:07It was coming off
26:08a mediocre season
26:09when he finally
26:10started wearing
26:11the glasses.
26:12Obviously,
26:12everybody knows
26:13you've been wearing
26:13glasses this last year.
26:15What kind of response
26:16have you gotten?
26:16I got a lot of letters
26:17from a lot of parents
26:18saying,
26:19for once,
26:19I can get my kids
26:20to wear their glasses.
26:21Well, Bob,
26:22if a professional
26:22quarterback can wear
26:24glasses in front
26:24of millions of people
26:25on a Sunday afternoon
26:26or a Monday night,
26:27so can a network
26:29sportscaster.
26:30This is Phyllis George
26:31for CBS Sports
26:32with Bob Greasy
26:33in Miami, Florida.
26:35Up next,
26:36the most controversial
26:38rank.
26:39The number three
26:40quarterback of the 70s,
26:42Terry Bradshaw.
26:44Come on, Bob.
26:46Terry Bradshaw
26:47wins four Super Bowls
26:49and he can't even
26:50get first.
26:51Terry doesn't get
26:51any respect.
26:53Of course,
26:53he can't expel respect.
26:55I don't know
26:56what more you can do
26:57than Bradshaw did.
26:58He was at four Super Bowls.
27:00He won four Super Bowls.
27:01I've had that!
27:03Although,
27:03there was a time
27:04early in his career
27:05where the defense
27:06were three times
27:07who will MVP,
27:09MVP.
27:09I think he goes
27:10above Tarkington.
27:12He did it
27:13in the playoffs.
27:16Uh,
27:17have to score for us.
27:19Before Bradshaw
27:20was the big ragu
27:22in Pittsburgh,
27:22he was a buzzkill
27:24for the Steelers.
27:27And unfortunately,
27:28early in his career
27:29when he didn't win,
27:30he got the bad rap.
27:32Even his own head
27:32coach sometimes
27:33was not on his side.
27:35You know,
27:35when no one's
27:36on your side
27:36and they're howling
27:37and screaming at you
27:38and you keep playing,
27:39you got something
27:40inside you.
27:43He was not a
27:44Pittsburgh kid.
27:45He was a kid
27:46from Louisiana.
27:48Did I think
27:49he lit it up
27:49off the field?
27:50No,
27:50he always seemed
27:51a little socially awkward.
27:52On the field,
27:54was he a killer?
27:55Were they afraid
27:56of him?
27:57You're damn right
27:57they were.
27:59From 1972 to 79,
28:02Bradshaw won over
28:0375% of his
28:04regular season games
28:05and went 14-4
28:07in the playoffs.
28:10Humping,
28:11firing downfield,
28:11there goes Stallworth.
28:12He pulls it in
28:13at the 30,
28:14the 20,
28:15the 10,
28:15the 5,
28:16and it's a touchdown
28:17for Goodford.
28:18Bradshaw!
28:19Bradshaw!
28:20Bradshaw!
28:23He had a rocket
28:24for an arm.
28:25He's a blonde mama.
28:27Yeah,
28:27the guy had
28:27a freaking gun.
28:29It's one of the
28:29five best guns
28:30that ever played
28:31the game.
28:31You better have
28:32your cup on,
28:33man,
28:33because it was
28:33coming in
28:34at Noli Ryan's
28:36feet.
28:36To this day,
28:37I don't know
28:38how you throw
28:38a football
28:39with your finger
28:40under it.
28:40He did it,
28:41and he did it
28:42in mastery.
28:43And the ball
28:43releases,
28:44and that's the
28:44last finger
28:45to flip it anyway.
28:46And I always
28:47felt like it was
28:47like,
28:48this finger
28:49with like a whip.
28:50He's doing it
28:51like a projector.
28:52I say he won
28:53the old-fashioned way.
28:54They could beat
28:55him with a pipe,
28:55and he'd still
28:56go back out there.
28:57My era kind
28:58of football
28:58dropped back,
28:59and you had to
29:00wait till I got
29:00open down the field.
29:02Then take your lunch.
29:03Hey,
29:04back dog.
29:05When's on it?
29:07Those guys
29:07got cloppered.
29:10All of them
29:11were tough.
29:12He should be
29:12number one,
29:13probably.
29:14He's not?
29:14What?
29:15Well,
29:15you need to
29:16redo this whole show.
29:17How he's
29:18number three?
29:19Even the
29:20thinks he should
29:20be number one?
29:24And you know
29:24something?
29:25That's what
29:25matters at the
29:26end of the day.
29:27But I guess
29:27if we're not
29:28weighing the
29:28biggest game
29:29of everybody's
29:29life,
29:30they're perfectly
29:30fine.
29:31Bradshaw won
29:32four of them
29:32and never
29:33lost.
29:33When you
29:33win four
29:34in six
29:34years,
29:34no better
29:35than you.
29:35Now you
29:35make sauce.
29:37Four in six
29:37years.
29:38Lop it on.
29:39I got no
29:40time for
29:40this three
29:41and one.
29:42When you
29:43say that
29:43Terry won
29:44four,
29:44but now
29:45his team
29:45won four
29:46subos because
29:47he played
29:48with two
29:48Hall of Fame
29:49wide receivers,
29:50a Hall of Fame
29:51tailback,
29:51a Hall of Fame
29:52center,
29:53a Hall of Fame
29:53coach,
29:54and you
29:56all time.
29:57And this
29:57is before
29:58Donnie
29:58show.
29:59And that
30:00has to
30:01matter.
30:01However,
30:02when you
30:02talk about
30:03Steeler
30:0370s
30:04dominance,
30:05where does
30:05that conversation
30:06start?
30:07It starts
30:07with defense
30:07Bradshaw.
30:08It just
30:08doesn't.
30:10There were
30:11three guys
30:11there were
30:12four guys
30:12in his own
30:13team better.
30:13I think
30:14he's right
30:14where he
30:14should be.
30:15I think
30:15he's number
30:15two.
30:22There were
30:23six guys
30:23on his own
30:24team better
30:24than him.
30:25That's why
30:26he's number
30:26one.
30:29He simply
30:30didn't have
30:31the numbers
30:31to be considered
30:32one of the
30:32top quarterbacks
30:33in the league.
30:39three guys
30:45on his own
30:46He's number
30:47two.
30:48He's number
30:48He's number
30:48Overback of
30:49the 70s.
30:51Brand
30:52targeted.
30:55I'd say the
30:55first thing that
30:56comes to my
30:56mind in the
30:5770s would
30:58be, I
30:59don't know.
30:59You have
31:00to put him
31:00in a
31:00category
31:01more of
31:01his own.
31:06His
31:06mobility
31:07changed
31:08the defenses.
31:09I'm just so
31:09flustered.
31:10First of his
31:11kind in terms
31:11of quarterback
31:12who could beat
31:13you with his
31:13feet as well
31:14as his arm.
31:14I mean,
31:15come on.
31:15Fran Tarkenton,
31:16baby.
31:17I don't have
31:17enough hands
31:18to clap.
31:19Will you say
31:20his name?
31:20I need more
31:21hands.
31:24His
31:25freewheeling
31:26style had
31:26others tripping.
31:28Fran Tarkenton
31:30made it to
31:31number two
31:32on our list
31:32by having
31:33the most
31:33passing yards
31:34and touchdowns
31:35and the highest
31:36completion percentage
31:37in the deck
31:38in the deck.
31:40He was like
31:41the little kid
31:42in the backyard,
31:43you know,
31:43who just came up
31:44with plays
31:45and said,
31:45you go here
31:46and you go there
31:47and don't worry
31:47about it,
31:48I'll make time
31:49so you can get
31:49open.
31:51He absolutely
31:51drove defensive
31:52players crazy.
31:54Tarkenton was a
31:55pain in the ass.
31:56He'd run,
31:56he'd run anywhere.
31:58I mean,
31:58he'd run up in the
31:58stands if he had
31:59to,
32:00only to do.
32:01I almost hated
32:01Tarkenton.
32:02I really did.
32:03I mean,
32:04that little
32:05wimp would run
32:06around out there
32:07for hours
32:07and hours
32:08and hours.
32:10I was always
32:11distressed when I
32:11saw quarterbacks
32:12when their
32:12protection broke
32:13down just to
32:14give up and
32:14fold themselves
32:15in the pocket.
32:16Titles in the
32:1770s,
32:18going 0 for 3
32:19in the Super Bowl
32:20was a real
32:21bummer.
32:22He was a great
32:22quarterback.
32:24But again,
32:25when it came down
32:25to the ultimate
32:26test,
32:27he didn't win it.
32:28Sometimes you think
32:29you'll never get
32:30to the Super Bowl
32:30and when you get
32:31there,
32:31you think you
32:32never will win it.
32:33Every team he
32:33lost to was better.
32:34The 73 Dolphins.
32:36The Dolphins have
32:37Dallas probably
32:37cleared the
32:38superiority of this
32:39game.
32:40The 74 Steelers.
32:43The 76 Raiders.
32:45All that
32:45life!
32:46He just lost
32:47the better people.
32:48They were all
32:49better.
32:49Not even
32:49debatable.
32:50No question.
32:52He didn't
32:52play about it.
32:53A tremendous
32:54quarterback and
32:54I would never
32:55penalize him for
32:56not winning a
32:56championship.
32:58Ran target
32:59and lost.
33:00I think he
33:01should be happy
33:02to be the
33:02second best
33:03quarterback.
33:04To have a guy
33:04with four rings
33:06versus a guy
33:07with no rings,
33:08you can't have
33:09target ahead of
33:10Bradshaw.
33:10I'm surprised
33:11you were smart
33:12enough to rate him
33:13that high.
33:14Because most
33:15people don't
33:18get it.
33:19Do you?
33:20Remember when he
33:21retired from the
33:22game, he held
33:23all four major
33:24passing records
33:24of attempts,
33:25completions,
33:26yards, and
33:26touchdowns.
33:27And
33:27rolls to the
33:28right,
33:28that's it out,
33:29caught by
33:29Ford,
33:29a touchdown.
33:31And
33:31talking to
33:31record-breaking
33:33291st career
33:34touchdown pass.
33:35Should he be
33:36ahead of Terry
33:36Bradshaw?
33:38I can't put him
33:39ahead of Stabler,
33:39I just can't.
33:40No.
33:41Well, I don't
33:41know who could be
33:42one if he's two,
33:44because he was
33:44the best.
33:46Coming up,
33:48the number one
33:49quarterback.
33:501970s, Roger
33:51Stahl.
33:52Roger Stahl back
33:54clearly is one of
33:55the five greatest
33:56quarterbacks of
33:57all time.
33:57He's certainly
33:58the greatest
33:59quarterback of
34:00the 1970s.
34:01You cannot go
34:02against Captain
34:03America.
34:03Sorry, but the
34:05Captain America
34:06of America's
34:08team, the
34:09goody-two-shoes,
34:10it's just one of
34:12the vomit.
34:14He was a good
34:15Christian guy, he
34:16was a clean guy,
34:17the only thing he
34:18did that was
34:19mean was beat
34:20you if you were
34:21on the other
34:21side.
34:22I mean, there's
34:23nobody that
34:24travels in that
34:25kind of cloud
34:26except for Jesus,
34:27all right?
34:27For three,
34:28set.
34:29Whether you
34:30dig it or not,
34:31no quarterback
34:32on our list had
34:33a higher winning
34:34percentage than
34:35Roger Stahl back
34:36did in the
34:3670s.
34:37He also won
34:38two Super Bowls
34:39before retiring
34:41with the highest
34:41passer rating in
34:43history to that
34:43point.
34:44Roger goes deep
34:45across the middle,
34:46touchdown,
34:46and caught,
34:47touchdown!
34:48He was
34:49Staubach, a
34:49great quarterback,
34:50but he was also
34:51Staubach, the
34:51leader.
34:53He came today
34:54and said,
34:55come on, we're
34:55going to get in
34:56a Thunderbird,
34:57put the top down
34:58and drive off the
34:58bridge, you'd
34:59probably go.
35:03He was the
35:04best two-minute
35:05quarterback in the
35:05history of the
35:06National Football
35:07League.
35:07Well, the Cowboys,
35:08they're a miracle.
35:09He was going to
35:10find a way to get
35:11it done.
35:12Roger takes the
35:13snap, pumps and
35:14wants more than the
35:15Cowboys get
35:16overcome.
35:17And then all of a
35:18sudden, they'll
35:18start showing the
35:19damn credits.
35:20And a pretty
35:20freshman from the
35:21credits with
35:22Staubach on the
35:23field.
35:24Wait a minute,
35:24that's Super Bowl
35:2512, which was a
35:26blowout.
35:27The activity and
35:28a chance to
35:29move the folks
35:29who worked so
35:30hard to bring it
35:31to.
35:31Even though I
35:31knew it was a
35:32minute and 16
35:32seconds on the
35:33clock, I would
35:33say, no, no,
35:36don't show
35:37credits.
35:38Can they come
35:39back again?
35:40Short yardage,
35:41short yardage.
35:42Robert Newhouse,
35:43up the middle.
35:43Boom, push, push
35:45it, right?
35:46He's two seconds
35:47left in the game.
35:48Redskins lead by
35:49six.
35:51Damn it.
35:51Roger ain't
35:52do it.
35:54Staubach throwing
35:54in the end zone.
35:55Tony Hill.
35:56Here we go.
35:57Now,
35:57Hill.
35:58I pulled out.
35:59I knew it.
36:00I knew it.
36:00I knew it.
36:00Just to go
36:01to the spread.
36:05Back in the
36:0670s, you
36:06were the
36:07straight.
36:08Well, he
36:09was decidedly
36:10with the
36:10straights.
36:11He had this
36:12choir boy
36:12image, although
36:14he wasn't a
36:14choir boy.
36:15You know, I
36:15enjoy sex as
36:16much as your
36:16name.
36:18Only I do
36:19it with one
36:19girl.
36:20Staubach was
36:21the antithesis
36:22of the
36:2270s.
36:24Staubach,
36:24indeed,
36:25lacked the
36:25me-decade
36:26attitude.
36:27Did plenty
36:27of razzle-dazzle
36:28with
36:29have been
36:30rounded by
36:30enough
36:31America's
36:31team flash
36:32to gain
36:33style points
36:34on our
36:34list.
36:35Even when
36:35they broke
36:35the huddle,
36:36went down
36:37and they
36:38came up
36:39again and
36:39they back
36:40down again.
36:41Coolest
36:41in the damn
36:42world, man.
36:42Let's
36:42to a lady,
36:43man.
36:43You come
36:44in the
36:44room,
36:44you lay
36:45on top of
36:45your
36:45forehead,
36:47you throw
36:48a lid off.
36:49Put the
36:50defense off.
36:54There really
36:54wasn't anybody
36:55in the 70s
36:56that would
36:57deserve to be
36:57one more
36:58than
36:58Lodger
36:58Staubach.
36:59This is a
37:00resentful
37:00Dallas fan.
37:01I gotta
37:02go,
37:02Brad
37:02Staubach.
37:03Head-to-head
37:04with Bradshaw,
37:05Bradshaw to
37:05Super Bowls
37:06and Staubach
37:06lost to
37:07the Super Bowls.
37:08I don't
37:08know what
37:09that,
37:09but even
37:10when he lost
37:10the final
37:11second,
37:12it was
37:12defeat with
37:13honor.
37:13Boy,
37:14does not
37:14quit anyway.
37:16He just
37:16needed a
37:17couple more
37:17minutes and
37:18I think
37:18he would
37:18have
37:18beaten
37:19the
37:19Steelers.
37:19It's
37:19argument
37:20for Bradshaw.
37:21Both of
37:21those Super Bowls.
37:22When he goes
37:23to bed,
37:23when he takes
37:24his rings off,
37:24you hear
37:25plunk,
37:25plunk.
37:26When Terry
37:27goes to bed,
37:27you hear
37:27plunk,
37:28plunk,
37:29plunk,
37:29plunk.
37:30And the
37:31discussion.
37:34The way
37:35that he
37:35handled himself
37:36and defining
37:37a quarterback,
37:38I would
37:38place Roger
37:39Staubach
37:39as number
37:40one in
37:40the
37:40center.
37:41Staubach
37:42had
37:42four rings,
37:43but he
37:43topped Bradshaw
37:44in every
37:44major passing
37:45category during
37:46the decade.
37:48You look
37:48at some
37:48of the
37:49seasons
37:49that
37:49Roger
37:49Staubach
37:50had,
37:50where he
37:51only threw
37:51a handful
37:52of interceptions
37:53in a season.
37:54Incredible
37:55accomplishment
37:55at a time
37:56when the
37:56other
37:57famers have
37:5815,
37:5920,
38:0025 interception
38:00seasons on
38:01their resume.
38:02He's got
38:02the stats,
38:03and he has
38:04the leadership,
38:04and he has
38:05the wins,
38:05and he has
38:06Super Bowls.
38:07So he's got
38:08every part
38:08of the argument.
38:10You could
38:11fly over
38:11the cuckoo's
38:12nest,
38:12picking the
38:13part out
38:13of the
38:13countdown.
38:14Who is
38:14doing these
38:15lists?
38:16Evidently,
38:16they were
38:17not born
38:17during the
38:1870s.
38:18I look
38:19back at
38:19these,
38:19there's
38:19some
38:19early losers
38:20in here.
38:21Ooh,
38:2170 is a
38:22top decade
38:23for QBs,
38:24wasn't it?
38:24Woo!
38:25Billy
38:25Homer.
38:26I mean,
38:27let's face
38:27it,
38:27the quarterbacks
38:28of the
38:2870s,
38:29I mean,
38:29you have
38:29to pad
38:30this resume
38:30a little bit,
38:31all right?
38:31It's a
38:32classic football
38:32quarterback debate.
38:34But this
38:34much is certain,
38:35no position
38:36stirs up more
38:37controversy
38:38than quarterbacks,
38:39and no
38:39decade unveiled
38:41a more
38:41colorful crop
38:42than
38:43teen 70s.
38:44a
38:44year.
38:44I
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