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00:01Those who knew her told us that she was a woman full of life, a sunny girl. She had
00:06She was 29 years old and was born in Fano, in the Marche region, but lived in Rome, with two friends, in an apartment
00:13in Via dello Scalo di San Lorenzo. Francesca Moretti died on February 22, 2000.
00:19His murder is known as the soup murder. Since then, only many questions remain.
00:26with only one certainty: a powerful dose of cyanide. The investigation by Paolo Fattori, Annalisa
00:33Venditti and Massimo Terranova.
00:45There are stories that float in an indefinite time, stagnate, remain suspended, like destinies
00:52that have involved. These are those sadly unresolved events that our mind, perhaps for
01:01Simplification, archive in a photo or in a detail. This story has been remembered
01:12like the cyanide-in-soup crime. Rome, Via dello Scalo di San Lorenzo. They are
01:23It's just after 5 p.m. Francesca's face is purple, she's having convulsions, she's sweating,
01:31breathing badly, speaking with difficulty. The two friends, Daniela Stuto and Mirella Nistor, who with
01:38They share an apartment on the third floor, they are shocked, scared. The situation
01:43It's very serious. The ambulance, on February 22, 2000, races quickly towards the San
01:51John.
02:00After a few minutes, the ambulance arrives at the hospital emergency room. At 7 p.m., Francesca
02:08has a first cardiac arrest. Half an hour later Francesca Moretti dies. In the immediate aftermath
02:20It is thought to be an intoxication due to unspecified substances. Francesca was undergoing treatment for some
02:28days with painkillers and anti-inflammatories for a painful sciatica. Only
02:35five months later, in July, it was discovered that Francesca had been poisoned
02:40with cyanide. This means that much evidence no longer exists, that many objects are
02:46been cleaned or thrown away. Cyanide is a very powerful poison. Why condemn?
02:57Francesca Moretti in such painful agony? Who could have wished her so much harm?
03:15To understand this intricate story we need to start from her, from the victim, from Francesca
03:22Moretti. Francesca Moretti is 29 years old. Intelligent, cheerful, and full of dreams. She was born in Fano, in the
03:33Marche. Before moving to the capital, he lived in Pesaro. It was there that he graduated with a degree in sociology.
03:43When she arrived in Rome, she began working for the Opera Nomadi. It was there that she met Graziano.
03:50I worked with Opera Nomadi as a school worker and she worked as a school worker.
03:58That culture that fascinates her so much has stolen her heart.
04:02Francesca, when she came home from the camp, told me about the meetings she had had
04:08with Graziano, so what they had said to each other, what they had felt.
04:12Graziano, however, is already married to Fatima. Not only that, he is also the father of five.
04:18children.
04:22She felt more and more transported, more and more involved, but she said she wanted to keep
04:26outside.
04:27Because of Graziano's status, because he was married, a gypsy, and had children.
04:37What did I like about Francesca?
04:39Yes.
04:39All.
04:42How she is, how she related to me, how she saw the world.
04:47All.
04:50Francesca, even though she had the best intentions, couldn't keep her distance.
04:56She is a passionate woman and has lost her head for that man.
05:02As soon as Graziano called and said he would come, she started washing herself, putting on makeup,
05:08getting ready, making herself beautiful and she was truly radiant, smiling.
05:11Then they locked themselves in their room, they spent many hours locked up, the two of them, living this life of theirs.
05:17story and I saw both of them very much in love.
05:20It became a very strong relationship and as we progressed we really wanted to stay that way.
05:28Together.
05:31For February 14th, Valentine's Day, the lovers' holiday, Graziano gives her
05:38a silver frame and some chocolates.
05:42And Francesca places a message of love in that frame.
05:47Look at me, I give you joy, look at me, I give you hope or light.
05:53Francesca even asks Graziano to go and live together in another city,
05:58in Turin.
06:00I had to move in together, I had to run away, go to another city.
06:09Francesca, in order to be with him, is willing not only to change cities, but even
06:14to radically change her lifestyle and tells Graziano that she feels ready to live in
06:21a Roman field.
06:25And it is precisely on the eve of this important choice that someone decides to kill her.
06:32Let's turn back the hands of our clock 15 years and go back to that February 17th
06:40of 2000, when it all began.
06:46Francesca wasn't feeling well that day due to a strong pain in her leg.
06:52While we were eating she said there was excruciating pain in her leg and kept massaging it.
07:05Daniela and Mirela, her other roommate, are close to her and take care of her.
07:11But in the middle of the night Francesca feels even worse.
07:15And then he woke me up around three in the morning and told me to call the ambulance because
07:21my leg locked up.
07:24And I called the ambulance, I followed her on my scooter.
07:40Francesca is taken to the Umberto I hospital.
07:44They tell her that she has lumbosciatica, an inflammation of the sciatic nerve, and she gets
07:50given a cure.
07:51At 5.44 Francesca is discharged and returns home with Mirela.
07:57In the following days, February 18th and 19th, however, the pain did not go away.
08:05Despite the treatment he was undergoing, which they gave him in the emergency room, this did not go away.
08:11leg pain, he asked me to call Dr. Giuliani.
08:18The next day, February 20th, Dr. Giuliani, the family doctor, reaches the apartment
08:25of Via dello Scalo di San Lorenzo.
08:31Francesca's death is 48 hours away.
08:38The doctor confirms the diagnosis made in hospital and only partially changes the therapy.
08:58That same day, late in the morning, Graziano goes to visit her and chats with her
09:03she until the evening.
09:07Francesca's death is one day away.
09:12Despite the treatment, Francesca is still feeling unwell and asks to call the doctor again.
09:18Daniela calls him and he promises that he will be at Francesca's the following day and in
09:23If the pain hasn't subsided, he tells Daniela to give her an injection.
09:30But Daniela is not capable of it and calls a lady from the building, Marisa.
09:34Since I volunteer and also give injections to those who need them, then my
09:41sister told me, Marisa you can go, there are some students here who need them
09:46an injection because he is very ill, there is no one there.
09:49All right.
09:59It's the night of February 21st, less than 12 hours until Francesca's death.
10:07Daniela isn't at home, she stayed overnight at a friend's house.
10:11It's Mirella who's close to her that night.
10:14Francesca is sick and can't sleep a wink.
10:22We arrive at Tuesday, February 22nd.
10:25At 11 in the morning Mirella leaves the house to go to the restaurant where she works.
10:32A quarter of an hour later the doctor arrives and it's Francesca who goes to open the door for him.
10:37He helps himself to walk with a chair.
10:41The doctor, given her condition, suggests that she be admitted to hospital.
10:46But Francesca doesn't feel like it.
10:49Before leaving, the doctor gives her a painkiller.
10:55It's 12.30pm on February 22nd and that's when Daniela comes home.
11:02When I arrived I saw her very tired, very pale.
11:08So, I asked him if he wanted to eat something.
11:12And she said yes, I'm almost tempted to eat something.
11:18But I realized that there wasn't much in the house.
11:21And I went to France and I said, Franci, look, there's only one little cheese.
11:27We usually made pasta with cheese with two cheeses.
11:31So this thing reminds me of her, because Francesca and I often made it.
11:35I said, there's only one cheese, if you want it I'll make it for you.
11:38And she said yes, yes, I'll eat it.
11:40And I prepared the pasta, the small pasta, with cheese.
11:48Around three in the afternoon Mrs. Marisa, the neighbor, arrives.
11:53And I remember it so well, because then I have to cook for my grandchildren,
11:57then let's have the television on, I don't know what television was on.
12:00But I was completely forgotten.
12:02Then I say, oh God, where did this girl go to get the shot.
12:07However, Mrs. Marisa doesn't give him the injection,
12:10because the doctor had already taken care of it, two and a half hours earlier.
12:15At that moment Francesca is in the kitchen with Daniela.
12:22At 3:19 pm, Mirella calls to ask Daniela about Francesca.
12:29Dani had told me that she had eaten
12:32and that he was eating an apple at the time.
12:35Immediately after Francesca calls Dr. Giuliani
12:38and tells him that the pain has eased slightly.
12:44At 4 pm, Mirella returns home.
12:48I went to Franci's room.
12:50She was lying on the bed.
12:54The first thing I told him was
12:56Madonna Franci making noises.
12:5920 minutes pass.
13:01Around 4.30, Francesca is accompanied by Daniela
13:04in the other room, where there is the television.
13:07He wants to see her.
13:08Soon after, Daniela leaves the house.
13:10He has to go to university and then to the supermarket.
13:13He wants to do some shopping,
13:14because there is nothing left in the house.
13:24The situation suddenly worsens
13:27around 4.50pm.
13:29After a while she started to feel sick.
13:32He jumped up and stood next to the bed
13:36with your knees on the floor and your hands like this on the bed.
13:48I feel bad.
13:50Give me something, something like that.
13:53I actually noticed a mass of fat.
13:58Her belly that has...
13:59What really struck me was his swollen belly.
14:03and it moved.
14:07And then I touched her face
14:10and I felt it was cold and sticky.
14:15I asked him if he was cold.
14:17In short, I put a spell on her.
14:20But after a while I took it off
14:22because he was showing off so much.
14:27Francesca can't take it anymore.
14:28She wants to be taken to the hospital.
14:30Mirella doesn't know what to do.
14:31She calls Raffaele, her boyfriend,
14:33a police officer.
14:34She asks him to join her at home
14:36and call an ambulance.
14:40Does the mixture call her to be at home?
14:42Yes, then the mixture calls me.
14:43I was nearby.
14:44He called me saying that Francesca was sick.
14:47I went there home,
14:49I went up above
14:50and I remember that
14:52Mirella, the year old, told her
14:54sitting how swollen.
14:56I took Franci to her room
14:57to dress her.
15:01But, since he walked very slowly,
15:04Raffaele did it before arriving
15:05at home that I could dress Franci.
15:10So what were you at Daniela's house?
15:13I think I got back around 5:25, 5:30.
15:17I entered and Franci, when I entered,
15:21he told me
15:22Dani, my legs are full of bruises.
15:24And I said, what happened?
15:26What was it?
15:27And right after that, he didn't even answer me,
15:31and started to squirm,
15:34he started making high-pitched screams
15:36and tossing and turning on the bed
15:38from one side to the other
15:39in a snap anyway.
15:42Why are you screaming?
15:43I told her, because she was screaming.
15:45But she didn't answer.
15:52At around 5:30 pm
15:54the ambulance is arriving.
15:56I remember that as soon as
15:58the ambulance arrived,
16:01and instinctively
16:02I got closer
16:03to Francesca's stretcher
16:06And
16:08at which point the nurse said
16:10but you're more relaxed
16:11if your friend comes.
16:12I remember she did
16:13nodding his head
16:16and at that the nurse
16:17he made me go up.
16:26The situation is dramatic.
16:27Francesca is brought
16:29at San Giovanni hospital.
16:32At 5.45pm
16:34Francesca arrives
16:35to the emergency room.
16:40At 7:05 PM
16:42he has a cardiac arrest.
16:44After it was given to me
16:45the news
16:47that Francesca
16:50he was no longer in a coma.
17:05And
17:05the doctors
17:07they took care
17:08to make me feel better
17:11and after
17:12they brought me
17:13in a room
17:14there were many doctors
17:16maybe there were nurses too
17:17because there were really so many.
17:20Francesca dies
17:21at 7:35 pm
17:22for cardiac arrest
17:24with suspected poisoning
17:26from unspecified substances.
17:29It will be discovered
17:31only much later
17:33a good 5 months later
17:34in July
17:35than to kill her
17:36it was a powerful dose
17:38of cyanide.
17:40Francesca Moretti
17:41she was poisoned.
17:46The suspects
17:48they fell on Daniela Stuto
17:49the friend
17:50here's the tenant
17:51we even got there
17:52to hypothesize
17:53that Daniela
17:54had for Francesca
17:55a morbid feeling
17:56he didn't accept
17:58that the friend
17:58if he went away
17:59with Graziano.
18:01The investigators
18:02they start from a question
18:03how did he manage it?
18:04the killer
18:05to make Francesca swallow
18:07that dose of cyanide?
18:09This will be the very question
18:10to direct the investigations.
18:14The investigators
18:15they hypothesize
18:16that the poison
18:16was dissolved
18:17in the soup
18:18who has prepared
18:19Daniela Stuto
18:20to Francesca.
18:21Not only
18:22they discover
18:23that the cunning one
18:24could have
18:25to get
18:25cyanide
18:26in Sicily
18:27in Lentini
18:28where she was born
18:29and where the cyanide
18:30it is used
18:31as an antiparasitic
18:32for cultivation
18:34of citrus fruits.
18:35The farmer uncle
18:37he owned a garbage can
18:38on which it was written
18:39in clear letters
18:40cyanide.
18:41This to the investigators
18:43Enough
18:43to set up
18:45a circumstantial trial
18:46against her.
18:48Find this poison
18:49it's not that difficult.
18:51There are
18:51many
18:54possibility
18:55to find
18:56cyanide
18:57many possibilities
18:58to use it.
19:00The investigators
19:02at the start
19:02they thought
19:03that cyanide
19:04had been placed
19:05in that soup
19:05from Daniela.
19:06But a dose
19:07so strong with poison
19:09It has immediate effects.
19:12From ingestion
19:14of this substance
19:16in that dose
19:18lethal
19:18they can
19:19upon appearance
19:21of acute symptoms
19:23so from the first symptoms
19:24they can be
19:24a few minutes passed.
19:27Francesca
19:28instead manifests
19:29the symptoms
19:30of poisoning
19:31almost three hours
19:31after that meal.
19:33In the soup
19:34so
19:35there was no poison.
19:36It wasn't
19:37that soup
19:38to kill her.
19:39And that's why
19:40that Daniela
19:41she is acquitted.
19:42it's a cry
19:51liberating
19:52Daniela's
19:53Clever.
19:53The judge
19:55read the sentence
19:56that exonerates her
19:57from the terrible accusation
19:58of having murdered
19:59her friend
20:00and roommate
20:01Francesca Moretti.
20:06Daniela
20:06after it's over
20:07under the lens
20:08of the investigators
20:09it had been
20:10arrested.
20:12I was left
20:12under house arrest
20:15and the fact
20:16that I have not been
20:16in prison
20:19it doesn't mean
20:20that it was
20:20a walk.
20:21Me at half past three
20:22at night
20:22I was woken up
20:23from the police
20:24why the carabinieri
20:25they have to check
20:26that you stay at home
20:28and there were nights
20:29which were continuous.
20:30You don't sleep
20:31why are you afraid
20:32of not hearing
20:32the intercom
20:33because otherwise
20:34they can't find you
20:34and tell you
20:35that you escaped.
20:36Daniela Astuto
20:37it was due
20:38defend
20:39from the prosecution
20:40of having put
20:40of cyanide
20:41in the soup
20:42that she herself
20:43had prepared
20:44for Francesca
20:45in those days
20:46to bed
20:46because he wasn't feeling well.
20:51In short
20:51jealousy
20:52it could have been
20:53the motive
20:53of this crime
20:54but in the end
20:55the whole castle
20:56accusatory
20:57collapses.
20:57Daniela
20:59it has never been
20:59attracted
21:00sexually
21:01from Francesca
21:02and above all
21:03it wasn't
21:04her to kill her.
21:06So what?
21:06who poisoned
21:08Francesca Moretti?
21:10With the solution
21:12by Daniela Astuto
21:13this crime
21:14it transforms
21:15in a real one
21:16puzzle.
21:18That dose
21:19immortal
21:20of cyanide
21:20Francesca
21:21he ingests it
21:22environment
21:23at 4.45pm
21:25what did he eat?
21:26what did he drink?
21:27at that time
21:28who gave it to her
21:29cyanide?
21:31Someone
21:31he gave her
21:32cyanide
21:32and you were there
21:34in two
21:35neither I
21:36nor mine
21:36or we walk
21:38At that time
21:38you tell us
21:39the Holy Spirit has entered
21:40and gave her
21:41because the problem
21:41it's not that
21:42it's not that you go out
21:43from these two roads
21:46that is, gentlemen
21:47we think this
21:48there are two of you
21:49that you were present
21:50at that moment
21:51no one else
21:52was present
21:53cyanide
21:53it had an effect
21:54from 4
21:544.30
21:555.45
21:56anyway this
21:57it was you two
21:58together with Francesca
22:00one of the two
22:01he gave her cyanide
22:02neither of the two
22:05neither of the two
22:06and this thing
22:08he doesn't say it
22:09only
22:09Daniela Astuto
22:10establishes it
22:12a court
22:12with two sentences
22:14that absolve her
22:15and even
22:16they compensate her
22:21as for Mirella
22:22the other roommate
22:23it doesn't end
22:24neither
22:25on the bench
22:25of the defendants
22:26and then
22:28who was it
22:29the point is another
22:31why to kill
22:32with cyanide
22:33it is not needed
22:34be
22:35near the victim
22:38it wasn't necessary
22:39by force
22:40be in that house
22:41and in those hours
22:45from cyanide
22:46above all
22:47the murder
22:47by Francesca
22:48with cyanide
22:49it's a murder
22:50which has been accomplished
22:51from someone
22:52who knew
22:53his habits
22:53or habits
22:54of people
22:55who frequented
22:56Francesca
22:58a month before
22:59of death
23:00by Francesca
23:00Mirella herself
23:01working
23:02as a cashier
23:03in a restaurant
23:04had suffered
23:05the theft
23:05of her bag
23:06where there were
23:07even the keys
23:08at home
23:08the lock
23:10but
23:10it was not changed
23:11it wasn't necessary
23:13in her opinion
23:14since the handbag
23:15it contained nothing
23:17that could
23:17to trace back
23:18the thief
23:19at the address
23:21and if instead
23:23someone
23:23had commissioned
23:24that theft
23:25Perhaps
23:27who stole
23:27that bag
23:28he wanted to arrive
23:29right to those keys
23:30to enter
23:31secretly
23:32in the apartment
23:35can be
23:36a hypothesis
23:37investigative
23:38this one too
23:39Meaning what
23:39within
23:41of the handbag
23:41there were the keys
23:42the keys then
23:43have been given
23:44and someone
23:45it could have been
23:46introduce
23:47in their apartment
23:49and then bring
23:51first the cyanide
23:52and then administer it
23:53or bring
23:54and administer
23:55cyanide
23:55at the same time
23:59Francesca dies
24:00in a moment
24:00very particular
24:02of his life
24:02for two years
24:04he frequents Graziano
24:05a young Roma
24:06married
24:07and father
24:07of five daughters
24:08Graziano
24:09it's always full
24:10of care
24:10towards him
24:12fills it
24:13of attention
24:13and gifts
24:14like the frame
24:15silver
24:16and the box
24:17of chocolates
24:17that gives her
24:18February 14th
24:20the day
24:21Valentine's Day
24:22eight days
24:23before his death
24:27so
24:27she wasn't happy at all
24:29obviously by Graziano
24:30as a Roma
24:31as she called him
24:33and while I
24:34I call him a gypsy
24:35I couldn't
24:36to agree
24:37well I found myself
24:39to say
24:39well Franci
24:40do that
24:40what your heart dictates
24:41if you really are
24:42in love
24:43do that
24:43what do you feel like doing
24:44and it was perhaps
24:45the most beautiful moment
24:46for me
24:46because I found myself
24:48accomplice
24:48of my daughter
24:49and here it is
24:51she answered me
24:51with his smile
24:53what I
24:53I knew them
24:55that really
24:56it is the greatest force
24:58that I today
24:58I find myself having
24:59Why
25:00if it were
25:01if at that moment
25:02had it not been
25:03the mother
25:04that maybe she wanted
25:05the understanding mother
25:06Surely
25:07I wouldn't be here today
25:08the mother
25:10he doesn't share
25:10that relationship
25:11but he wishes
25:12happiness
25:13of the daughter
25:14and the smile
25:15by Francesca
25:16it seems to reassure her
25:17for Graziano
25:19Francesca is willing
25:20even to leave
25:21Rome
25:21and live with him
25:23in a Roma camp
25:25then Franci
25:26In short
25:26that's all
25:27you're happy
25:29we are
25:29you are about to go
25:31listen to me
25:32leave your number
25:32the phone
25:33leave something
25:34and she replied
25:36until I see it realized
25:37I don't believe it
25:38I had
25:39a great love
25:41a great desire
25:42but little hope
25:43maybe he
25:44he didn't even want to leave
25:45with her
25:45maybe he
25:46he didn't exchange
25:47likewise
25:48France's love
25:49and he didn't believe it
25:50so much in this one
25:51their escape
25:52and then he told me
25:54In short
25:54that Graziano
25:55tormented her
25:56by phone
25:57Where are you
25:57with who you know
25:58send him away
25:58In short
25:59that at the beginning
25:59they were gods
26:00he was jealous
26:01he was jealous
26:08he was also predisposed
26:09to come to the camp
26:10but not me
26:11take her to the field
26:12culturally
26:13he lived a life
26:14different from mine
26:15take her there
26:17on the ground
26:18of my sister
26:18that wasn't there
26:19nor water
26:19nor light
26:21it was difficult for me
26:23Graziano
26:24is it perhaps
26:25pulling back
26:26from history
26:26with Francesca
26:28he didn't stay
26:29never sleep
26:30he anyway
26:31in the end
26:31he always came back
26:32to the field
26:32he was returning to his wife
26:33Graziano
26:34had
26:35a son
26:35from Fatima
26:36when the story
26:38with Francesca
26:38it had just begun
26:44Surely
26:45Graziano
26:45he's scared
26:46that his wife
26:46come and find out
26:47the truth
26:48in those weeks
26:50sees Francesca
26:51more and more often
26:52and what
26:53for Fatima
26:53until then
26:54it was just a suspicion
26:56suddenly
26:57becomes reality
26:57her husband
26:59he has another woman
27:04Fatima becomes
27:05a fury
27:06arguments with her husband
27:07I'm in order
27:08of the day
27:09Graziano
27:09is destroying
27:10their family
27:11and even has
27:12decided to entrust
27:14his children
27:14to his father
27:15Bairo
27:15and all this
27:17for whom?
27:18for a woman
27:19which isn't even
27:19one of them
27:20Fatima is not there
27:22and gets it
27:23even the number
27:23by phone
27:24by Francesca
27:25a colleague
27:26of work
27:26by Graziano
27:27had given
27:27the number
27:28by phone
27:28by Francesca
27:29in Fatima
27:38Fatima wants to scare her
27:40the screams
27:41on the phone
27:42that must be left alone
27:43her husband
27:43arriving too
27:44to threaten her
27:45I know where you live
27:47he tells her
27:50Fatima
27:50In short
27:51he told her
27:51swear words
27:53to leave
27:54and stay
27:55her husband
27:59one day
27:59I had to go out
28:00go to work
28:01and France
28:01he asked me
28:02in the evening
28:03at 6.30
28:04he told me
28:04to go
28:05to buy
28:05cigarettes
28:06and he said
28:07look at Franci
28:07I don't have time
28:08I'm running late
28:09to work
28:10she told me
28:10come on please
28:11because I'm scared
28:12that Fatima is down there
28:13never do it again
28:17Graziano
28:17became aware
28:18of threats
28:19that his wife
28:20had done
28:20to Francesca
28:21wants to intervene
28:23Graziano
28:24he said
28:25I want to take it
28:26I want to kill her
28:27of blows
28:28but Francesca
28:29he doesn't want to
28:29he said he understands it
28:31why Francesca
28:32understood Fatima
28:33in this sense
28:33he was saying damn
28:34I'm taking them away
28:35to her husband
28:35I understand it
28:38Francesca
28:39he understands
28:39the reasons
28:40of Fatima
28:41but not those
28:42by Graziano
28:42when he says
28:43who wants to beat
28:44his wife
28:44this aspect
28:46of the character
28:47of man
28:47who loves
28:48Francesca
28:49he just can't stand it
28:50at a certain point
28:52he told me
28:52that Graziano
28:53can be bad
28:56and I asked him
28:57but what does it mean
28:58he beats you
28:59has she ever hit
29:00Francesca
29:01once
29:02I gave him
29:02the scaffold
29:03but no more
29:04sometimes
29:06the doubt
29:07on his
29:08real intentions
29:10he's worrying
29:11the soul
29:11by Francesca
29:12Graziano
29:14it really is
29:15in love
29:16will leave
29:17All
29:17to go
29:18away
29:18with her
29:22Graziano
29:23must decide
29:23between me
29:24and Fatima
29:25Francesca
29:25by nature
29:26era
29:27was brought
29:28to be
29:30tolerant
29:30and to be
29:31patient
29:32then he arrived
29:33at one level
29:33Francesca
29:34decisive
29:34if things
29:35they didn't combine
29:36according to his
29:37point of view
29:37she didn't have
29:38some love
29:39he gave up everything
29:40and he did
29:40what he had in mind
29:45Francesca
29:46if on one hand
29:47she is a woman
29:47emancipated
29:48modern
29:49he studied
29:50sociology
29:51lives far away
29:52from his family
29:53in a big city
29:54on the other hand though
29:55she is an insecure woman
29:56fragile
29:58and even if he says
29:59of not believing
30:00to certain things
30:01discovers
30:02to be afraid of it
30:03and that's when
30:04who asks for help
30:05to Daniela
30:06her friend
30:06and roommate
30:09there is a ritual
30:10so simple
30:11as effective as it is
30:12what is needed
30:13to take away
30:13the evil eye
30:14just take it
30:15a small plate
30:16with some oil
30:17and water
30:17and pass it
30:18on the head
30:19and Daniela
30:20please
30:20the friend
30:26Francesca
30:27he is afraid of Fatima
30:28but he doesn't want to
30:29LOSE
30:30that man
30:30and wants to move on
30:32costs
30:33whatever the cost
30:33one thing
30:35but it reassures her
30:36Despite
30:37the threats
30:37of Fatima
30:38she is convinced
30:39that nothing
30:40it could happen to her
30:41as long as
30:42will be alive
30:42the father
30:43by Graziano
30:44Bairo
30:44he is a caporommi
30:46important
30:47and has a great
30:48influence
30:49throughout the community
30:50and I continued
30:51to fear
30:52but you don't think
30:52to a revenge
30:53you don't think
30:54that someone
30:54may hurt you
30:56maybe because
30:56dare to lean
30:58a certain system
30:58dare to enter
30:59in a world
31:00that is not yours
31:01his answer
31:02was
31:02Don't worry
31:03mom
31:04because as long as Bairo
31:04he will be alive
31:05nothing will happen to me
31:14February 20th
31:15It's Sunday
31:16two days left
31:18on Francesca's death
31:20that day
31:21in his room
31:21with Graziano
31:22they talk about that trip
31:24that soon
31:25will take them to Turin
31:26where they can be
31:28finally
31:28a normal couple
31:30and no longer clandestine
31:33suddenly
31:34while I am
31:35in their intimacy
31:37Francesca
31:38he sees it pass by
31:39a shadow
31:42it's not just her
31:44to see her
31:44but also Graziano
31:46to her friend Daniela
31:48Francesca will say
31:50that that shadow
31:51it was assembled
31:52to both of them
31:53a woman
31:54dressed in black
31:59who it belonged to
32:00that shadow?
32:01perhaps to the same person
32:03that a month before
32:04had taken possession
32:05of the keys
32:06found in the bag
32:07of Mirela?
32:08could have
32:09easily
32:10a connection
32:11with the keys
32:12stolen
32:14in the handbag
32:15of his
32:16roommate
32:17Surely
32:18it is not
32:19it wasn't
32:20the imagination
32:21by Francesca
32:23because then
32:23he told it
32:24to them several times
32:25and of this
32:26she was left with it
32:27Also
32:28severely affected
32:30and then
32:31that theft
32:32perhaps he was returning
32:33in a drawing
32:33bigger?
32:39the next day
32:40Monday, February 21st
32:41around 8 pm
32:43Francesca receives
32:45a phone call
32:45by Graziano
32:46is dead
32:47his father
32:48Vairo
32:49he would like them
32:51HIDE
32:51this bad news
32:53I
32:53I called him
32:55and I wanted him
32:56HIDE
32:57that my father
32:57is dead
32:58and she heard me
32:59from the voice
32:59that something
33:00that not
33:00it didn't work
33:02and so
33:03I told him
33:04who is dead
33:06my father
33:09death
33:10of the father
33:10by Graziano
33:11breaks the balance
33:13and not only
33:14within
33:15of the community
33:16Rome
33:19Francesca
33:19it has always been
33:20convinced
33:21that nothing serious
33:22it could have been done to her
33:23happen
33:24until Bairo
33:25authoritative man
33:26that he loved her
33:27had he been alive
33:28and in command
33:29of the community
33:31but Bairo
33:33Now
33:33there is no more
33:34was considered
33:35a prince
33:36in the dynasty
33:38of the Roma
33:39it was a point
33:41of reference
33:43Graziano
33:44he's not just anyone
33:45he is the son
33:45of Bairo
33:46and by descent
33:47noble
33:48it's himself
33:49a prince
33:51Graziano
33:51he is married
33:52with Fatima
33:53which gave him
33:53five children
33:54but he is dating
33:56another woman
33:57Francesca
33:57which is not
33:58of Roma ethnicity
33:59his culture
34:01allows you to have
34:02more wives
34:03Yes
34:03so women
34:05in his field
34:07I am let's say
34:08resigned
34:08in quotation marks
34:09to power
34:10don't be the only ones
34:11as a religion
34:13yes but
34:13then as people
34:15Depends
34:15his wife
34:17he knew
34:18this situation
34:19this relationship
34:20his
34:20with Francesca
34:21that had to go away
34:24meanwhile in general
34:25if she had
34:26a relationship
34:27with Francesca
34:29he knew this
34:30his wife
34:31No
34:32he discovered it
34:35not immediately
34:36he discovered it
34:37much further on
34:38In short
34:40Fatima
34:40it wasn't certain
34:41happy
34:41feeling abandoned
34:44with five children
34:45it was an insult
34:46not only
34:46for her
34:47but also
34:48for the big one
34:48Roma family
34:50the dark sides
34:52of this story
34:53I am really
34:54related
34:55to history
34:55by Francesca
34:56also to history
34:57relational
34:58because she
34:58she felt safe
35:00only
35:00with the presence
35:01in life
35:02of the father
35:03of his
35:03fiancé
35:05of the person
35:05who frequented
35:06this thing
35:07it has never been clarified
35:08the police
35:10followed the trail
35:11Rome
35:11what investigations
35:13were carried out
35:13wiretaps
35:15technical investigations
35:17investigations
35:17let's say
35:18of stalking
35:19searches
35:20in the caravan
35:22in campers
35:22so it wasn't
35:24neglected
35:24absolutely nothing
35:25that could
35:26try
35:27the responsibility
35:29in different capacities
35:31by Graziano
35:31and his family
35:32in death
35:33of Moretti
35:33Vairo's body
35:35is exhumed
35:36but the analyses
35:37they establish
35:38that his
35:39it was a natural death
35:40the fact that
35:41Graziano's father
35:42he is dead
35:43one day before
35:45of death
35:46by Francesca Moretti
35:48was
35:48analyzed
35:50let's say
35:51in a manner
35:51capillary
35:53this to the investigators
35:54it was enough to push away
35:56the suspects
35:56from his wife Fatima
35:59there is another aspect
36:00of this story
36:01which remained
36:02dark
36:03in the morning
36:04of February 22nd
36:05a few hours before
36:06of his death
36:07Francesca remains
36:09for a quarter of an hour
36:10alone at home
36:12he's in bed
36:13Daniela and Mirella
36:15they came out
36:16and she's waiting
36:17the doctor
36:18what's happening
36:20in those 15 minutes
36:23perhaps he received
36:25a phone call
36:26he made it go up
36:27someone in the house
36:30and this someone
36:31that is gone
36:32to find her
36:33he left them
36:34to eat
36:35or to drink
36:38or maybe
36:39he brought her
36:40a medicine
36:48but what do I look like
36:49it has cyanide
36:50how it looks
36:52it's solid
36:53it's liquid
36:54How does it taste
36:55and the dose
36:56who killed
36:57Francesca Moretti
36:58it has been quantified
37:00the dose of cyanide
37:01it has been quantified
37:02in the expertise
37:04date not in the consultancy
37:05and the quantities found
37:07they are high
37:08more or less
37:09let's say half
37:10a third
37:11of a teaspoon
37:12of coffee
37:13all the salts
37:14so also the salts
37:14of cyanide
37:15they are solid
37:16then if I untie them
37:18in the water
37:19becomes a liquid
37:20containing
37:21cyanide salts
37:29the smell is typical
37:30the smell of bitter almonds
37:32the taste is certainly bitter
37:34cyanide can be
37:35hidden in chocolate
37:37but if I do
37:39a cup of chocolate
37:40great etcetera
37:42certainly yes
37:43if she for chocolate
37:44he means the chocolate
37:46the chocolate bar
37:47it seems complex to me
37:48it's difficult
37:49someone
37:50maybe it is just
37:52that shadow
37:52he came back that morning
37:54in the apartment
37:55to bring food
37:57or a drink
37:58poisoned
38:08there is another aspect
38:10to be considered
38:11when Francesca
38:12he feels sick
38:13it cannot be found
38:14in his room
38:15he's watching TV
38:17in the room
38:17by Mirella and Daniela
38:18where the two
38:19they sleep together
38:20he's in that room
38:22so that Francesca
38:23he ate
38:24or drank something
38:25of poisoned
38:26but what
38:27and if that
38:29who ingested
38:30it wasn't meant to be
38:31to her
38:31and if to die
38:33with that poison
38:33it had to be
38:34someone else
38:35this is a guess
38:37that is, we can't
38:38say it
38:39and neither
38:40it was possible
38:41to ascertain it
38:43Daniela's life
38:44Clever
38:45was scanned
38:46thoroughly
38:46but Mirella's
38:47someone
38:49he could have had it
38:49with her
38:50with regard to
38:51Mirella's life
38:52was
38:52analyzed
38:53as I repeat
38:54all other people
38:56like that one
38:56of all other people
38:57involved in this story
38:59involved in the sense
39:00present
39:01on stage
39:02of this story
39:08Francesca loved
39:09to note
39:09thoughts
39:10and reflections
39:11and he did it
39:12in a diary
39:12staff
39:13a green agenda
39:14which was delivered
39:16to his sister Claudia
39:17which then
39:17he gave it to her
39:18to his mother
39:19this agenda
39:21according to what
39:21declared
39:22from mom
39:23by Francesca
39:23it no longer exists
39:24was
39:25herself
39:26to burn it
39:29there was only
39:30his private life
39:30his dreams
39:31his thoughts
39:32his soliloquies
39:34his great reflections
39:35about love
39:36about life
39:37things that
39:39Here you are
39:40cannot concern
39:41Nobody
39:42if not Francesca
39:43and they destroy it for you
39:44and destroyed it
39:45precisely to protect
39:46Francesca's private life
39:48I wanted
39:49give her the greatest gift
39:50That
39:50that could be done
39:52given that
39:52I haven't been to her
39:54never close
39:54or at least
39:55I wasn't close to her
39:56at the moment in which
39:57I should have been there
39:58then I wanted
40:00Here you are
40:00for her
40:01for respect
40:02of his person
40:03for respect
40:04of his thoughts
40:05for respect
40:06of his voice
40:06but what could they have done?
40:09reveal those pages
40:10what was bothering you
40:12Francesca
40:12in the days before he died
40:14maybe he had a secret
40:16that his mother
40:17he wanted to protect
40:19Francesca
40:20she had become pregnant
40:21she was expecting a child
40:23and who was the father
40:25from an autopsy
40:27yes you can
40:29understand
40:30if a person
40:31is in state
40:31whether or not pregnant
40:33Obviously
40:34performing some
40:35investigations
40:36details
40:37at the level
40:37of the genital system
40:38female
40:39on the basis
40:39of the documentation
40:42which is contained
40:43in the file
40:44procedural
40:45it would not appear
40:45performed
40:46an analysis
40:48so one
40:49dissection
40:49of the uterus
40:56when it was heard
40:58by the investigators
40:59Francesca's mother
41:00he uttered these words
41:02I knew
41:03who had killed
41:04Francesca
41:04he told me
41:05Francesca herself
41:06and she asked me
41:07but how did he understand it?
41:08from the diary
41:15really the mother
41:16by Francesca
41:17he knew the identity
41:18of who killed
41:19his daughter
41:19and why
41:21he didn't do any
41:21the name
41:23or his
41:24it was just
41:25a suspicion
41:26the certain fact
41:28is that after
41:2915 years
41:30this crime
41:31it's still
41:32unresolved
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