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00:28You
00:35He said how you gonna get a girl from always in the apartment to the garage? He says I'm like
00:40you knock her out or something
00:48And Angela went behind her and he grabbed her one arm I grabbed her other arm
01:00There's a smile that mean you know, I knew he approved
01:23You'll hear it will kill her
01:26After watching 17 hours of videotapes of Ken Bianchi under hypnosis claiming he was guilty
01:37What I was seeing was a man broken down
01:44Put through psychiatric excesses
01:48To confess against himself to the point in which he believed his own false confession
01:56And you remember where she was taken
01:58there there is
02:01With the session of the first girl without the use of the Los Angeles
02:08Material the best year of reports. I couldn't really tell you exactly where the bodies were dumped
02:16My confessions, I said under hypnosis, were not reliable
02:21They did not match up with the facts
02:25My lawyer can't be materials for the case through a discovery
02:32And I essentially realized that I had no first-hand information about the crimes, or who committed the crimes
02:38That all the information was second-hand information from news reports
02:43The two women strangled were stuffed in the back area of the car
02:48Police files, or cops
02:50What I read was prompted in my memory during hypnosis subconsciously
02:57And I came out of it believing and committed crimes
03:02I had literally false memory syndrome
03:04I had literally false memory syndrome
03:08How much God in LA, Angelo, has he killed anybody?
03:12Yep
03:13How many?
03:14He has
03:16Hi girls
03:18Did you watch him fill them all?
03:20You bet I did.
03:21You can be sure that he killed those five?
03:24Positively, without a doubt.
03:26Did you kill any down there?
03:27Yep, I did.
03:28How many?
03:29Four of them.
03:32Markins would ask one leading question after the other.
03:36And he wasn't the only one that asked leading questions.
03:39Ellison did the same thing, too.
03:41He would make a statement in the form of a question,
03:45and I ended up providing an answer that was not the truth.
03:52But he assumed it was the truth.
03:56When these doctors came in, they were fumbling around,
03:59and they did have ulterior motives.
04:02Dr. Ellison had a book coming out,
04:04and he wanted to get the world record
04:07for most multiple personality cases, you know?
04:10And so he may have been leading with information.
04:14Why didn't you decide to not kill anyone?
04:19Fuck, I know.
04:20Was that when you decided to move?
04:22I wanted to.
04:23I wanted to fucking kill more broads, you know?
04:27When you're under hypnosis,
04:29you're susceptible to somebody telling you
04:32that a memory happened when it didn't happen,
04:35creating false memories.
04:37So a clinician, if they're hypnotizing you,
04:40they could tell them what their memory is
04:43when it was actually not what happened at all.
04:47You remember being at the office, you say?
04:49Yes, I know.
04:50Okay.
04:51And that was that particular night in January the 10th.
04:5611.
04:5611, something like that.
04:57Yeah, okay.
04:59There was actually a famous study called Lost in the Mall.
05:08Basically, you could implant the memory of being lost in a mall with hypnosis.
05:13And that 25% of the people had apparently never been lost in a mall as a child.
05:20But under hypnosis,
05:21they became convinced that they had been lost in a mall as a child.
05:25Well, believe it or not,
05:27it's pretty easy to implant a lot of things into a person's mind.
05:31Yeah.
05:35No one bothered to warn me that there were real dangers
05:39to using hypnosis to retrieve or refresh memories.
05:42And once hypnotized,
05:44there would be a tendency to recall those memories that never existed,
05:47yet be convinced those memories are real and more.
05:53With the hypnosis,
05:55they led him down a path of, you know,
05:58now confess,
05:59and now he's convinced he did it.
06:02If Ken was hypnotized,
06:05yes, his argument could be plausible for sure.
06:09But chances are,
06:10in my opinion,
06:11in front of what I've seen,
06:12I don't think Ken was ever hypnotized.
06:18You want to play games?
06:19I'll play games.
06:21I want him out of the way.
06:23You don't...
06:23Wait, no.
06:24You don't fucking understand.
06:29You don't fucking understand.
06:33Just keep looking at one.
06:36Just keep thinking over and over in your mind.
06:39That you're feeling very tired.
06:41We know that people absolutely can be hypnotized.
06:44We can see there's plenty of fMRI studies that show, like, what happens to the brain.
06:48There are different techniques that get people to be in a state where they're susceptible
06:53to things that you are now going to lead them towards.
06:56Close your eyes.
06:58Take some deep breaths.
07:00Imagine I have no desire to smoke.
07:04But here's a fun fact about hypnosis.
07:08Unless you want to be hypnotized, you can't be hypnotized.
07:12So, for someone like Kenneth Bianchi,
07:15I don't know if he would allow himself to be that vulnerable.
07:20Your head dropping down.
07:25Down.
07:26Down.
07:27And I think that for any kind of serial killer,
07:31being in the non-dominant position, it's too risky.
07:35Hold on.
07:38When you've got someone who's hypnotized,
07:40it's often really slow and quiet and figuring it out in a haze.
07:48None of this was the behavior of Ken.
07:50It's way too awake.
07:56There's a lot of energy.
07:57There's a lot of movement.
08:02I think that Ken saw doctors that seemed kind of excited,
08:07and I really think he was thinking,
08:08I am smarter than all these people.
08:12But after Dr. Watkins and Dr. Allison assessed Ken,
08:17the prosecution brings in their guys.
08:21And their job is to be more skeptical about this whole situation.
08:28Hi, Dr. Orn.
08:29Hi, good to see you.
08:31How are you doing?
08:32One of the experts I have is Dr. Martin Orn.
08:36He was a world expert in hypnosis,
08:39and looking at people who are simulating being hypnotized.
08:43He seems like a pleasant, cooperative individual,
08:46but whenever I see an individual in a forensic situation,
08:50somebody accused of premeditated murder facing a death penalty,
08:55I always have to ask myself,
08:57is this individual telling me how he really feels,
09:01or is he malingering or faking?
09:04When Orn comes in,
09:06he does a couple of pretty clever things.
09:09One of them, he's like,
09:10all right, what if we suggest that Dean Brett,
09:13who is Ken's attorney,
09:16we're going to have him show up,
09:17but an imaginary Dean Brett.
09:19I asked him to hallucinate Mr. Brett, his attorney.
09:24Shortly, I'm going to ask you to hold me out.
09:28When I do,
09:29Mr. Brett will have come in,
09:34and he will be sitting in the chair right beside you.
09:39Hold your eyes.
09:41I'm going to ask you to break once and all.
09:43Hey, Dean.
09:44How you doing?
09:47I'll leave you to talk to him if you want,
09:50but I'll get back to him.
09:53Do I hear the media?
09:55The immediacy at which, you know,
09:58Ken jumps up, shakes the hand of Dean Brett,
10:01and, you know, right there it feels like malingering.
10:04Even more striking, though,
10:05is what he does when I ask him to describe Dean Brett.
10:09What are we going to talk about, the three of us?
10:11Well, I want you to describe Dean to me in some detail.
10:16What is his...
10:17Is he shaven?
10:19Oh, no.
10:20Beard?
10:21God, you can see him.
10:23You must be able to see him.
10:25His hair isn't cold as usual.
10:28You wouldn't say that, in my opinion.
10:30You wouldn't be saying, like, don't you see him?
10:32It's like you assume a person sees him.
10:34You would just say, yeah, I see him.
10:36You wouldn't be like, don't you?
10:38It's, again, that part right there feels malingery.
10:41And then you've got him having the real Dean Brett showing up.
10:45Tell me, who is this over here?
10:52Dean Brett?
10:54Who is this?
10:57Dean Brett is here.
10:59Dean Brett is here.
11:01How can he be in two places?
11:04Me.
11:05Stay home.
11:08What do you want to see him?
11:17In my opinion, this all feels like a charade.
11:24He's seen Three Faces of Eve, the film,
11:26which is like an education in how to fake a multiple personality.
11:30Have you ever heard of multiple personality?
11:34In the 70s, Hollywood was really interested in this whole idea.
11:39We've got the Three Faces of Eve, we've got Sibyl.
11:43And I used to think that everybody was like this,
11:45that they would just naturally wake up and be someplace else
11:48or a whole lot older or wearing another dress.
11:52It exploded to the point where now, in the court systems,
11:56this is becoming a question.
11:58Can we use this for the defense?
12:01The judge ruled today that Billy Milligan was not responsible
12:05for the crimes of rape, kidnapping, and robbery.
12:07That man was found not guilty by reason of insanity
12:10because he had multiple personalities.
12:12It was a huge deal.
12:14A couple months after that,
12:16Kenneth Bianchi's case.
12:18So it's possible that attorney Dean Brett
12:21is thinking to himself,
12:22maybe we can use this for Kenneth Bianchi.
12:26You haven't come out in jail at all here?
12:29Yeah, I fucking used to.
12:33To do what?
12:34Anything I fucking wanted.
12:37We're watching the videotape.
12:39We eject the tape out.
12:41I said, what do you think?
12:43He said, well, look what I wrote.
12:44His notebook said total bullshit,
12:46and mine said bullshit.
12:49It was a joke.
12:50It was a joke.
12:52There's a performative nature to this,
12:55and I believe Kenneth Bianchi
12:56has been performing his whole life.
12:59What's your name?
13:01Steve.
13:02One of the psychologists said,
13:05who is that now?
13:06He says, that's Steve.
13:07Steve got a last name?
13:10He did have a last name.
13:12What was it?
13:16I can't remember.
13:18What's Steve?
13:19Walker.
13:20Walker.
13:21Oh, where did he get that?
13:23He says, Walker.
13:25Steve Walker.
13:26I said, oh, he forgot this name.
13:29And he jumps,
13:30and he went and found this piece of paper
13:32that says Steve Walker written on it.
13:35So I was like, woo-hoo.
13:38And then there were some transcripts
13:41that were found from local schools
13:43in L.A.
13:44and Bianchi's name,
13:45which didn't make much sense.
13:47So we went to Valley College,
13:50said, we'll work on this murder case,
13:52and here's a transcript we found.
13:54Could you tell us who it belongs to?
13:59She looks at it,
14:01and she's, well, I can tell you right now
14:02it doesn't belong to that name.
14:05This transcript belongs to an individual
14:07by, I think it was Thomas Stephen Walker.
14:10And we looked at each other,
14:12and we said, bingo, we got you.
14:14They asked me if I recognized the name
14:16that was at the top of the paper.
14:19I looked up, expecting to see my own name,
14:21instead seeing the name of Kenneth A. Bianchi.
14:24I said, how would an individual
14:27get these from you?
14:29He said, well, I applied for a lot of jobs
14:32when I graduated.
14:33I had answered an ad in the Los Angeles Times
14:35classified for a job.
14:38So then we spent four days down in the archives
14:42grinding those old tapes of L.A. Times.
14:49The one ad we found
14:50was a one ad for a counselor or psychologist.
14:54Send your resume and transcripts.
14:59610 Verdugo, Glendale.
15:01Well, that had been an address
15:02Bianchi had lived at.
15:04We knew we were onto something there.
15:06We wrote it up,
15:08sent it up to Bellingham,
15:11showed it to Bianchi,
15:13and he realized that he had been caught
15:16in one of his major lies.
15:20That was a massive blow to the defense,
15:23because now they realize we're screwed.
15:26Our insanity defense is crumbling.
15:29This person is some dude that he conned.
15:32Once they got this report,
15:34Bianchi decided, hey,
15:36I've got a snowball's chance in hell.
15:38You know, I've got to change my plea.
15:45My defense is destroyed.
15:49Dean Brett, my defense lawyer,
15:52told me in no uncertain terms,
15:55you're going to get the death penalty
15:57in both states.
15:58You're going to be put to death.
15:59And it scared the hell out of me.
16:01It scared me straight.
16:03So I decided I needed to
16:05change the plea agreement
16:07and testify against Angelo.
16:11He was attempting to do anything he could
16:14to stop the state from killing him,
16:17including making false confessions
16:19against himself and others.
16:21He was a broken man
16:23who could be manipulated.
16:25The Los Angeles District Attorney
16:27didn't feel like he had enough
16:29to arrest Angelo Bono.
16:33Angelo Bono was still on the streets.
16:35When I'd see him in the restaurant,
16:36I would just get really scared,
16:38and I just, you know,
16:39I didn't want to be around him.
16:41All of the agencies in Los Angeles,
16:44they really needed help.
16:46They needed help from Ken Bianchi
16:48to be able to convict Bono.
16:51So we went up to Bellingham
16:55to assess Bianchi
16:56as a potential witness
16:59against Angelo Bono.
17:01I felt if he was a believable witness
17:04and we could cooperate,
17:06we could convict Bono.
17:09There had been unconfirmed reports
17:12of plea bargaining efforts
17:13in the case,
17:14including reports of Bianchi
17:16waiving extradition to Los Angeles
17:18and changing his not guilty plea
17:20to the Bellingham charges
17:21in exchange for Whatcom County
17:23not asking for the death penalty.
17:26Bellingham authorities will not comment
17:28on those unconfirmed reports.
17:33The Los Angeles PD,
17:36the sheriff's office,
17:36they came up to Bellingham.
17:39They wanted to know
17:40what our case was like
17:41and we wanted to know
17:42what their case is like.
17:44If their case wasn't very good
17:46and they couldn't convict them,
17:47I didn't want to give up
17:48the death penalty here in Washington.
17:51So I wanted to make sure
17:52they had a reasonable case
17:54so that if I was going to
17:55give something up,
17:56it was reasonable to give up.
18:03Once we got up to Bellingham,
18:05all the investigators
18:06and the agencies
18:07who wanted first crack at Bianchi,
18:09there was a lot of politicking going on.
18:14LAPD got him first,
18:16so we listened to all the interviews
18:20that we didn't participate in.
18:22We're sitting there listening
18:24when they were talking to him
18:26about Christina Weckler
18:27and he's telling the detectives
18:30what they did
18:31when they got back
18:31to Angelo's business.
18:35I'm Christina Weckler.
18:37After she was dead
18:39and nude on the floor,
18:41he leashed up
18:43and got the needle,
18:44the syringe.
18:47he made a crack about
18:49checking the teeth
18:50if she's dead or not.
18:53And he took the syringe
18:55and he poked her cubit area
18:56a couple of times.
19:02We've got a series of murder photos
19:05when we're listening
19:06and Pete grabs the photo
19:07and he brings it over
19:08and he says,
19:09look,
19:10injection mark on her hip.
19:13LAPD didn't ask him that.
19:15They didn't say,
19:16hey,
19:16what about that injection mark?
19:18He brought it up.
19:22Then we finally got
19:24to interview Bianchi.
19:26We went in and looked
19:27at where he was being interviewed.
19:29We took the table
19:30and put him
19:31so he's looking straight
19:32at the wall
19:33so he had no room to move.
19:35We were smoking cigars,
19:37closed all the doors.
19:40When we first sat down
19:41to talk to him,
19:42he just came across
19:43as a sleazy con man
19:45and he was of the opinion
19:47he was going to be on the team.
19:49He had all this paperwork.
19:51Frank stood up
19:52and he just swept
19:53all that stuff
19:53onto the floor.
19:54He said,
19:55you're not going to need that shit.
19:56We're going to talk
19:57about real stuff.
20:00We're interested
20:00in doing one thing.
20:02It's interviewing you,
20:03knowing what you know,
20:04what you did.
20:05What I knew then
20:06or what I know now.
20:08Ken,
20:08we're not going to play that game.
20:09There's a difference.
20:10Wait a minute.
20:13Just be quiet.
20:13I'm not going to play that either.
20:14There is a big difference.
20:16Be quiet and listen to me.
20:17All right?
20:18We're not playing that game.
20:20Don't think you're going to
20:21try and run it through on us,
20:22all right?
20:22We're interested in what you know.
20:24What you did,
20:25what Bodo did,
20:26and his involvement.
20:27When I say...
20:28Listen to me.
20:29Don't talk to me
20:30in that tone of voice.
20:30I'm not some kind of animal.
20:31Listen,
20:32you can listen to us
20:33and you can be interviewed by us,
20:34but you're not going to interview us.
20:36I'm cooperating.
20:37We're trying to determine
20:38your worth as a witness,
20:39all right?
20:39That's all we want
20:40and it's not going to work
20:41any other way.
20:44Fine.
20:48We want to talk to you
20:49about Cindy Hutzman's case.
20:52We set her in the trunk
20:53of the car.
20:54He took off
20:55and I followed him
20:56to Angelo's crest.
21:04Angelo's behind the car.
21:07Tom's on the trunk
21:08of the car.
21:10And he and I
21:11both pushed it
21:12and...
21:12You say Angelo
21:13pushed from the rear?
21:15That's correct.
21:26I thought he was lying
21:27because the car landed,
21:28put it up.
21:30We thought the car
21:31had been pushed over backwards.
21:33We're saying,
21:34wait a minute.
21:34Is he telling us
21:35the truth or not?
21:36Then we went to CHP
21:38and had a report written.
21:41They came back
21:42and they said
21:42that car
21:43was driven in.
21:45They pushed it over
21:46front first.
21:48It auto-rotated
21:49because it hit
21:50big boulders
21:51that turned it around
21:53and it landed
21:54facing up the hill.
21:57The other thing
21:57they told us,
21:58they put every girl
22:00they took to the shop
22:02ligatured
22:03and put them
22:04in one chair
22:05in one room.
22:08The three of us
22:08walked into the house
22:09and said,
22:11why don't you have a seat?
22:14They pointed to the
22:15leather chair
22:16and she sat down in it.
22:20And I turned around
22:22and got behind her
22:23when she was sitting
22:24in the chair.
22:31On the Wagner case,
22:33the palms of her hands
22:34had burn marks
22:36and we were fortunate enough
22:38to pull fibers
22:39on a chair
22:39that matched fibers
22:41that were on
22:42Wagner's hands.
22:44There were so many things
22:45he told us
22:46that only the killer
22:47would know.
22:51Another thing
22:52that we were able
22:53to corroborate
22:54was from one of
22:55the various interviews
22:56by the psychologists
22:57and psychiatrists.
22:58the thing with the hillside killings
23:01was the pretending
23:04to be police officers,
23:05that sort of thing.
23:13That was one of the more
23:15important things he told us,
23:16how they were operating.
23:20And it's exactly
23:21what they were doing.
23:25Were there people
23:27who were considered
23:30as victims
23:31but then rejected?
23:33Yes.
23:35Peter Lorre's daughter
23:37was going to be
23:38a victim.
23:41Somehow the notoriety,
23:43the fact that who she was,
23:44you know,
23:44Peter Lorre's daughter,
23:46somehow stifled
23:48whatever was going on.
23:51I can remember her
23:52showing the pictures
23:53of her sitting
23:54on her father's lap.
23:58Peter Lorre
23:59was a well-known actor
24:01in Hollywood.
24:02Actually played
24:04a serial murderer
24:05in a film,
24:06which was sort of ironic.
24:10With her,
24:11he'd go up to her
24:14and ask somebody
24:15to show her a badge.
24:18Yes.
24:19And what do you say?
24:23Um...
24:25Hi, we're police
24:26out of service.
24:27You should step over
24:28to the car, please.
24:30What he said
24:31about Kathy Lorre,
24:33nobody knew about.
24:34Kathy Lorre
24:35didn't even report it.
24:37It was an unreported attempt.
24:39All right?
24:40And he tells us about it.
24:43We found her.
24:44She corroborated.
24:46She says,
24:46yeah, I was stopped once.
24:48This car came around
24:50the corner
24:50and just cut us off.
24:52At which point,
24:54two men got out of the car.
24:56One, uh...
24:58The one on the driver's side,
25:00Bianchi,
25:01uh, who...
25:03started questioning me
25:05for ID and age.
25:07The other one,
25:08Bono,
25:09who was on the other side
25:10of the car,
25:10standing in the...
25:12doorway,
25:14with his head
25:15just showing over the car,
25:15and both of them
25:16were just kind of
25:17flashing badges.
25:18She identifies
25:19Bianchi and Bono
25:21as having tried
25:22to kidnap her,
25:23but they backed off.
25:31On top of that,
25:33as luck would have it,
25:35we got a phone call
25:36from Detective Stan White,
25:38who's working
25:39in the Homicide Bureau.
25:40He says,
25:41Frank, listen to this.
25:42He says,
25:43an attorney who's
25:44a friend of mine,
25:45David Wood,
25:47recognized Bianchi
25:48when his name
25:49was put out
25:50in the paper
25:51in his picture.
25:52He said,
25:53Bianchi,
25:54along with his partner,
25:56Angelo Bono,
25:57their crime partner,
25:58is running
25:59an out-call service.
26:03David Wood
26:04had got a copy
26:05of the Los Angeles
26:06Free Press,
26:07which had a lot
26:08of personal ads
26:09in it for out-call stuff
26:11and massages.
26:13So he called one,
26:15and a gal shows up.
26:18It was a lady
26:18by the name
26:19of Becky Spears.
26:23She had one
26:24of those credit card
26:25machine.
26:26He'd put the card in,
26:28and he got a receipt
26:29for Angelo's Trim Shop
26:30for services rendered.
26:34Becky was a runaway
26:35from Arizona.
26:36It became obvious
26:37to him that she wasn't
26:38being treated very well.
26:40Did they work together?
26:41Yes, they did.
26:42How closely?
26:45Very closely.
26:47Becky Spears
26:48led us to say
26:50Brehannon.
26:51They had worked
26:52for Bianchi and Bono
26:53as out-call prostitutes,
26:56so we'd interviewed
26:57both young ladies.
27:01After I graduated
27:02high school,
27:03I did some runway modeling.
27:06I will be honest,
27:08I was a very street-savvy kid.
27:12I spent a year
27:15going back and forth
27:16from Phoenix to California.
27:18I would come
27:19and I would visit friends.
27:21One of them asked
27:23if I would be interested
27:24in meeting this individual
27:25that was looking for models.
27:28And I kind of thought,
27:29sure,
27:30because I thought
27:31it was a way
27:32of getting into
27:33the modeling scene
27:33in California.
27:41They flew me out
27:41to California
27:42to meet Ken
27:43and I thought,
27:44okay, well, you know,
27:44here's an individual.
27:45They're going to spot
27:46my plane fare.
27:49I met him
27:50at the airport,
27:51picked me up,
27:51and I'll never forget.
27:53He said,
27:53hey, do you want a drink?
27:55And I said, sure.
27:56Got me an orange juice
27:57out of a vending machine.
28:05By the time
28:06I got to the car,
28:07I knew I had been drugged.
28:09And by then,
28:11it was too late.
28:14The next place
28:15that I ended up
28:16was at Angelo Bono's.
28:20That's when
28:21the horror began.
28:26I was forced
28:27into prostitution.
28:29They demanded
28:31of me
28:31to do things
28:33that were unimaginable
28:34with not only
28:35themselves,
28:36but with others.
28:38I was being,
28:40you know,
28:41pursed out
28:42to individuals
28:43of power.
28:47And I had seen
28:49elected officials
28:50or law enforcement
28:51at Angelo's shop
28:54casually meeting
28:56with him.
28:57Do you think
28:57that's how they
28:58got their badges?
28:59I know that's
29:00how they got
29:00their badges.
29:01I saw badges
29:03being traded.
29:06You know,
29:06when you're 17,
29:07where do you go?
29:09I'm going to go
29:09tell the local
29:10police department
29:11who I feel
29:11are involved.
29:13if I ever
29:14decided I wanted
29:16to turn them in
29:17or run away,
29:19they threatened
29:20to take me
29:21so far out
29:21in the country
29:22that I would never
29:22find my way back
29:23or really mess me up
29:26so I'd be a vegetable
29:27the rest of my life
29:28or never look the same.
29:33I was being watched
29:35and every move
29:36I made
29:36they knew
29:37and they knew
29:38exactly what
29:39I purchased,
29:39exactly how much
29:40was spent,
29:41exactly where
29:41I even stopped
29:42to get a drink.
29:46So I'd always been
29:47thinking in my mind
29:47what do I do?
29:48How do I get out
29:49of this
29:49without being followed?
29:51You don't have
29:51a vehicle,
29:52you don't have
29:52any means
29:53of transportation
29:55so you are driven
29:57to different locales.
29:59I knew
30:00one of the drivers
30:01was planning
30:01on leaving
30:02Los Angeles
30:03to go back home.
30:07One night
30:08early to mid-summer
30:10of 1977
30:13Angelo
30:13and Ken
30:15told me
30:15that I needed
30:16to be there
30:16at 2 o'clock
30:17and they were coming
30:18and I better be there.
30:22I knew
30:23something bad
30:24was about to happen
30:25because the night
30:26before
30:27my whole place
30:28had been
30:29completely ransacked.
30:31So I knew
30:32it was going
30:33to be bad
30:33whatever it was.
30:36You start
30:37having the palpitations
30:38and you can feel
30:39your heart beating
30:39your carotid artery
30:42and that little voice
30:43inside of me
30:44said get out,
30:46get out now.
30:50That's when
30:50I asked the driver
30:51if he would
30:52please come
30:53and get me.
30:54Get me out of here.
30:56I'll pay for
30:56anything you need.
30:59And literally
31:00I was out
31:01within I want
31:02to say 10 minutes.
31:05And this is just
31:06a small part
31:07of the story.
31:11Both Sabra
31:12and Becky
31:13laid out the fact
31:14that they were
31:15living at Bono's house.
31:17He and Bianchi
31:18were quite abusive
31:18to them.
31:19It was obvious
31:20that they were
31:20crime partners.
31:22That was a major
31:23break in the case.
31:26Now we felt
31:27we would be able
31:28to convict Bono
31:30of these murders.
31:35Our agreement
31:36for the plea
31:37to avoid
31:38the death penalty
31:39was that
31:40Bianchi would
31:41testify
31:42against his cousin.
31:43and in doing so
31:45he would give up
31:46his right
31:47to go to trial.
31:53In Bellingham,
31:54Washington today
31:55Kenneth Bianchi
31:55pleaded guilty
31:56to murdering
31:57two college coeds
31:58and he confessed
31:59to killing
32:00at least five
32:00of the women
32:01who were victims
32:02of the hillside
32:03strangler
32:04in Los Angeles.
32:05Police say
32:05Bianchi agreed
32:06to confess
32:07in exchange
32:07for escaping
32:08the death penalty
32:09in both states.
32:13I can't find
32:14the words
32:14to express
32:15the sorrow
32:16I feel
32:16for what I've done.
32:20In no way
32:21can I take away
32:22the pain
32:23that I've given
32:24to others.
32:26And in no way
32:28can I expect
32:29forgiveness
32:29from anybody.
32:34to even begin
32:35to try
32:36and live
32:36with myself.
32:38I have to take
32:39responsibility
32:40for what I've done.
32:44And I have to do
32:46everything I can
32:48to get
32:48Angelo Bono
32:51and to devote
32:52my entire life
32:54to do everything
32:55I possibly can
32:56to give my life
32:58so that nobody else
32:59will hopefully
33:00follow my
33:02will hopefully
33:02won't follow
33:03my footsteps.
33:07It's taken me years
33:09to actually
33:10believe
33:11anything
33:12that Ken Bianchi
33:13says
33:13because I've been
33:14influenced
33:15by what I've read
33:16by the professionals
33:18in this case.
33:19I trusted their word
33:21that this was a
33:21this was a man
33:23who was a liar
33:23and a psychopath.
33:26But this man
33:28had no
33:29presumption
33:30of innocence
33:30not even
33:32from the
33:33defence attorney
33:35who did
33:36everything he could
33:38to get a confession
33:39and a guilty verdict
33:40the job of the
33:41prosecutor
33:41done by the
33:43defence attorney.
33:46I'd like to have
33:48my convictions shaken
33:49like
33:50I really would
33:52I more than
33:53as much as anyone
33:55would like to see
33:56a simple solution
33:58with a rightful answer
34:00that the correct
34:02and horrific predator
34:03has been put behind
34:04the bars.
34:06And in my career
34:09I am no bleeding heart
34:10for those that
34:13cry foul of the
34:14criminal justice system
34:16but
34:17my investigation
34:19of the case
34:20shows that
34:21not only was I
34:21finding reasonable doubt
34:22that Bianchi
34:24was the killer
34:25there were
34:27other candidates
34:28these wide
34:29spectrum
34:30of quite notorious
34:31serial killers
34:32that were
34:33overlooked
34:34in the rush
34:35to convict
34:35Bianchi
34:36and Bueno.
34:39The unfortunate
34:40truth is that
34:41since 1976
34:42in the early part
34:43of 1977
34:44Los Angeles
34:45was struck
34:46with a tsunami
34:47of murder.
34:48Law enforcement
34:49agencies have
34:5030 detectives
34:51on the case
34:52but the murder
34:52wave continues.
34:54Police tie
34:54one killer
34:55to six legs
34:56the suspect
34:57still at large.
34:58I'm just afraid
34:59that's all
35:00really afraid.
35:02All these events
35:04were overlapping
35:05with the
35:05Hillside Strangler
35:06crimes.
35:08You're talking
35:08about maybe
35:09two even
35:10possibly three
35:11different suspects.
35:12And when I was
35:14able to isolate
35:15a wider series
35:17of strangle
35:18dump murders
35:19of women
35:20in the greater
35:20Los Angeles
35:21area
35:22I discovered
35:24there were
35:25uncaught serial
35:26killers on the
35:27loose at the
35:27time.
35:28There was
35:29William Chowas
35:31who had kidnapped
35:32and body dumped
35:33a woman in
35:34Topanga Canyon.
35:35There was the
35:36Westside rapist
35:37John Thomas Jr
35:39who'd committed
35:40nearly a dozen
35:40crimes at the
35:41beginning of the
35:42spree.
35:43Robert Honenberg
35:44escaped to
35:46Louisiana
35:46after strangling
35:48two women
35:48in Los Angeles.
35:54So one has
35:56got to consider
35:57that at this
35:58time Los Angeles
36:00was riddled
36:01with predatory
36:02men more vicious
36:03with even worse
36:05backgrounds than
36:06Bianchi who were
36:07killing in similar
36:09ways to the
36:10hillside strangling
36:12crimes.
36:13And the key
36:13amongst those
36:14was Rodney
36:15Alcala.
36:17And here
36:18they are.
36:20An appearance
36:21on the classic
36:2170s TV show
36:22The Dating Game.
36:24This is what led
36:24to the capture
36:25of a suspected
36:26serial killer.
36:27Please welcome
36:28Rodney Alcala.
36:29God welcome.
36:31And Alcala's
36:33now linked to
36:33at least five
36:34and as many
36:35as ten murders
36:36mostly through
36:37DNA testing
36:38of old evidence.
36:39Number one
36:40would you say
36:41hello to Cheryl
36:41please?
36:42We're going to
36:43have a great
36:43time together
36:44Cheryl.
36:45For me
36:45what was crucial
36:47is the DNA
36:48evidence from
36:492007 showed
36:51that he was
36:53the killer
36:53of Jill Barkham.
36:5518 year old
36:56Jill Barkham
36:57was bludgeoned
36:58and strangled
36:58in the Hollywood
36:59Hills.
37:00Her photograph
37:01was prominent
37:02of what was
37:0313 victims
37:05of perceived
37:06hillside strangler
37:08in a conference
37:09headed by
37:10Ed Henderson
37:11the then head
37:12of the
37:13hillside strangler
37:14task force.
37:15Bachelor number
37:16one.
37:17You're a
37:18dirty old
37:20man.
37:21Take it.
37:22Come on
37:23over here.
37:27All these
37:28other victims
37:29because the
37:30crimes was
37:30considered
37:31sold after
37:32the confession
37:33of Ken Bianchi
37:34Rodney Alcala
37:37was overlooked
37:38as being
37:40connected to
37:40any of these
37:41crimes.
37:43Seeing
37:44these
37:44possibilities
37:45of these
37:46predators
37:47capturing and
37:48killing Los Angeles
37:49women gave
37:50me faith
37:51that the
37:52real
37:53hillside strangler
37:54was potentially
37:54she's still
37:55at large
37:57and Ken
37:57Bianchi was
37:58telling me
37:59the truth
38:00of his
38:01innocence.
38:10police.
38:11The day
38:11Bianchi
38:12pled guilty
38:13we arrested
38:14Bono.
38:18This morning
38:19in Glendale,
38:19California
38:20Bono was
38:20arrested.
38:21Police said
38:22he and Bianchi
38:22had run a
38:23prostitution ring
38:24in Los Angeles
38:25and had together
38:26murdered ten
38:27of the young
38:27women,
38:28the principal
38:28hillside
38:29strangler
38:29victim.
38:32They will be
38:32arraigned
38:33Monday.
38:39What's your
38:40reaction
38:40to all of this?
38:42It surprises
38:42us to think
38:44that he would
38:45be implicated
38:46in this thing
38:47because I know
38:48he's just
38:49nice,
38:50anything you want,
38:51like these little
38:52rabbits he has
38:52running around,
38:53he gives them
38:54to kids.
38:54Did you say
38:55that he threw
38:56his cousin
38:56out of the place?
38:57Well,
38:57he told me
38:57to get out
38:58because he
38:58was too lazy
38:58and he didn't
38:59want to work.
38:59So he says
39:00he threw him
39:00out.
39:01So he came
39:02over here
39:02and he said
39:03he didn't
39:04have a place
39:04to live.
39:04He came
39:05from back
39:05east someplace,
39:06I don't know
39:06where.
39:07And then
39:08he got tired
39:08of him
39:08and he threw
39:09him out
39:09and all
39:11this trouble
39:11started,
39:12I guess.
39:14I remember
39:15hearing about
39:16the hillside
39:17strangler case
39:17and that
39:18Bono had
39:18been arrested
39:21and I
39:21remember
39:22thinking
39:22that's
39:23the next
39:24case of
39:24the century
39:26and when
39:27I went
39:27in the office
39:27that morning
39:28one of
39:29our lawyers
39:30ran up to
39:31me and said
39:32I think
39:33we're going
39:33to get
39:34the strangler
39:34case
39:34but you've
39:35got to be
39:36the one
39:36to go down
39:37and go
39:38in to see
39:38it.
39:39I had a
39:40high success
39:41rate in signing
39:41up clients.
39:47The next
39:48thing I know
39:48I'm driving
39:49down to
39:50LA County
39:50jail
39:51and going
39:52in to
39:52see Bono.
39:55I saw
39:56Angela
39:57walk from
39:58the holding
39:58area
39:59being
40:00accompanied
40:00by an
40:01officer
40:01to
40:01this
40:02little
40:02glass
40:03cubicle.
40:05I remember
40:06the swagger
40:07the almost
40:08cockiness
40:09of aren't I
40:11a big shot
40:12this guy's
40:13just been
40:13arrested
40:14for one
40:14of the most
40:14serious crimes
40:15in LA.
40:16I have
40:17talked
40:17to a lot
40:18of bad
40:18guys
40:18serial killers
40:20that did
40:21awful things
40:23and I
40:23never felt
40:24a feeling
40:25of evil
40:26like I felt
40:27every time
40:28I was in
40:28that cubicle
40:29with Angelo
40:30Bono.
40:32He signed
40:33the retainer
40:34and you know
40:36I shook hands
40:37and left.
40:38It was a real
40:38feather in our
40:39cap from a
40:40criminal defense
40:41business standpoint
40:43to represent
40:45Bono.
40:46But did I
40:47think that
40:48it was
40:48possible
40:49that this
40:49guy was
40:50a psychopath
40:51serial killer?
40:52Yeah,
40:53that's what
40:53bothered me.
40:54But we're
40:55going to have
40:55our work
40:55cut out
40:56for us.
40:58Bono has
40:58hired six
40:59Orange County
41:00attorneys
41:00to represent
41:01him.
41:02They refuse
41:02to discuss
41:03how they're
41:03being paid.
41:05Vindicated
41:06to us
41:06they have
41:06file cabinets
41:07full of
41:08police reports.
41:09All that
41:10have to be
41:10gone through.
41:11It's impossible
41:12for one
41:13or two
41:14or even
41:14three men
41:14to do that.
41:15Additional
41:16motions will
41:16be filed
41:17by Bono's
41:17attorneys
41:18on December
41:1810th here
41:19at the
41:19criminal
41:19court's
41:20building.
41:20A preliminary
41:21hearing is
41:22scheduled for
41:23January 21st,
41:241980.
41:27Kenneth Bianchi
41:28flew today by
41:29helicopter to
41:30a Los Angeles
41:30jail.
41:32As part of a
41:33plea bargain,
41:33Bianchi will
41:34receive life in
41:35prison instead
41:35of the death
41:36penalty.
41:37He also
41:38agreed to
41:38testify against
41:39his cousin,
41:40Angelo Buono,
41:41in the Hillside
41:41Strangler case.
41:45Once we
41:47brought him
41:47back,
41:48it had been
41:49at least
41:49two years
41:50since the
41:51crimes had
41:52occurred and
41:52a year or so
41:53after he'd
41:54been arrested
41:55in Bellingham
41:55for the two
41:56murders up
41:57there.
41:58The lawyers
41:59in the
42:00district attorney's
42:01office,
42:02they were
42:03struggling.
42:04It was a
42:04very difficult
42:05case to build
42:06and Roger Kelly
42:08worked very
42:09hard to do it.
42:11The defense
42:12is talking
42:12about attacking
42:13the credibility
42:14or the
42:15sanctity of
42:16our witness
42:17Kenneth Bianchi.
42:18Do you feel
42:18you can establish
42:20him as a
42:21credible witness
42:22in court?
42:22We wouldn't
42:23have filed a
42:24case unless we
42:24thought we did.
42:25We could.
42:26As someone
42:27representing
42:28Bianchi,
42:30I took on
42:31a role that
42:32was very
42:33different from
42:34any other
42:34defense counsel.
42:36I became part
42:37of Angelo
42:38Bono's
42:39prosecution
42:40because I
42:41didn't want
42:42to see
42:43Bianchi convicted
42:44for the death
42:44penalty.
42:45Bianchi would
42:47give me
42:47information and
42:48I would give
42:49it to them.
42:50We worked
42:51hard with
42:52them to try
42:53to build a
42:54case against
42:55Angelo Bono.
43:03The next
43:04step in the
43:04process was
43:05for there to
43:06be a
43:06preliminary
43:07hearing of
43:08Angelo Bono.
43:10The purpose
43:11of the
43:11preliminary
43:12hearing is
43:12to determine
43:13whether or
43:13not there's
43:14enough evidence
43:14to go to
43:15trial.
43:16There was
43:17a really
43:18significant
43:19lack of
43:20evidence that
43:21Bono did
43:21these killings.
43:23The biggest
43:24thing we had
43:24going for us
43:25was the fact
43:26that Bianchi
43:26moves to
43:27Washington
43:27in the killing
43:28stop and
43:30they don't
43:30start up
43:30again.
43:31And then
43:32if Bianchi's
43:33confession
43:34turned out
43:34to be
43:35wobbly
43:35or not
43:36believed
43:37they would
43:37be left
43:38with
43:38nothing.
43:42Bianchi
43:42testified.
43:44He went
43:44through a
43:45period there
43:45where he
43:46started
43:47vacillating on
43:48his testimony.
43:51Today,
43:51after a
43:52pre-trial
43:52hearing in
43:53which
43:53Bianchi
43:53described
43:54Bono's role
43:54in Ten of
43:55the murders,
43:55prosecutors
43:56announced
43:56Bianchi had
43:57recanted
43:57his earlier
43:58confession.
43:59When we
44:00started to
44:00ask him,
44:01well,
44:02if you
44:02weren't
44:02involved
44:02in them,
44:03how did
44:03you know
44:03the specific
44:04aspects of
44:05the killings,
44:06burn marks
44:07on people's
44:07hands,
44:08certain areas
44:09of the person's
44:09body that
44:10had been
44:10shaved,
44:10et cetera,
44:11that only
44:12either the
44:12killer or
44:12the police
44:13would have
44:13awareness of,
44:15he would
44:16explain those
44:16away by
44:17stating that
44:17he had
44:18seen some
44:19photographs
44:19that had
44:20been shown
44:21to him
44:21by Angelo
44:22Bono.
44:23Bianchi's
44:23answers were
44:24at odds
44:25a lot
44:26with statements
44:27he'd previously
44:28made to
44:29police and
44:30two psychiatrists.
44:31He said
44:32one time
44:32Bono showed
44:33him photographs
44:34of the victims
44:35and then he
44:36said later
44:36his own
44:37attorneys
44:38showed them.
44:39Bianchi
44:40went from
44:41describing the
44:42murders and
44:43accepting
44:43responsibility
44:44then went
44:45to,
44:45I didn't
44:46do it
44:46or maybe
44:47I did
44:47or I
44:48don't
44:48remember.
44:49obviously
44:50he did
44:50everything
44:50to scuttle
44:51the case.
44:56When I was
44:57on the stand
44:57I didn't
44:58know what
44:58the hell
44:58I was
44:58talking about.
44:59I wasn't
45:00trying to
45:01remember
45:01what I
45:03allegedly
45:03did
45:04because
45:05I didn't
45:06have any
45:06first hand
45:07knowledge.
45:07I was
45:07trying
45:08my best
45:09to remember
45:09what I
45:10told
45:12the doctors
45:13during the
45:16evaluations
45:17in Bellingham
45:17because
45:18so much
45:18I had
45:19said
45:19was
45:19untrue
45:20that it
45:21was just
45:22one
45:25inconsistency
45:25one
45:26messed up
45:26version
45:27after the
45:28other
45:28and I
45:29couldn't
45:29keep
45:29things
45:30straight.
45:30My
45:31testimony
45:31was
45:31wholly
45:32unreliable.
45:33This may
45:34be one
45:34of the
45:35last times
45:35Hillside
45:36Strangler
45:36suspect
45:37Angelo
45:37Bono
45:38makes
45:38the ride
45:38from
45:39county
45:39jail
45:39to
45:40the
45:40criminal
45:40courts
45:40building.
45:41the case
45:41against
45:42Bono
45:42is
45:42falling
45:43apart.
45:45Roger
45:46Kelly
45:46was
45:47investigating
45:48the
45:49circumstance
45:50of the
45:50killings
45:50of each
45:51of those
45:51victims
45:52comparing
45:52them to
45:53Ken Bianchi's
45:54versions of
45:55Vance
45:55and in
45:56each
45:56and every
45:57crime
45:58he was
45:58coming up
45:59that these
46:00confessions
46:01were bunkum
46:02that they
46:03did not
46:03match the
46:04circumstances
46:05of the
46:05crime.
46:05That
46:06resulted
46:06in
46:08Roger
46:09Kelly
46:09doing
46:11something
46:12extraordinary
46:13and that
46:14was to
46:15write a
46:16memo
46:16to his
46:16own
46:17boss
46:17the
46:18district
46:18attorney
46:19describing
46:20the
46:21failings
46:22of
46:22Ken
46:23Bianchi
46:23as the
46:24main
46:24witness.
46:25to the
46:26extent
46:26that
46:27it
46:28would
46:28be
46:28dangerous
46:29to
46:29cry
46:30Angelo
46:30Bueno
46:31for these
46:32murders.
46:36Ken?
46:38David.
46:39Yes.
46:40It looks
46:41very dapper.
46:41Oh, there
46:42you go.
46:42Well, you're
46:43looking good
46:44too, Ken.
46:45The
46:46exciting news
46:48is the
46:48memo.
46:49This is
46:50the July
46:512,
46:521981
46:53memo
46:54from
46:54Roger
46:55Kelly
46:55which
46:56I'd
46:57been
46:57trying
46:57to
46:57get
46:58for
46:58nine
46:58years.
47:02That's
47:03extraordinary
47:03in itself
47:04but
47:04I'm going
47:05to read
47:06out
47:07some
47:07of the
47:07memo
47:08to you
47:08and this
47:09is
47:09Christine
47:10Weckler.
47:13In this
47:14case,
47:15like in
47:15all
47:15previous
47:16cases,
47:17Bianchi
47:18tells
47:18of how
47:18Bueno
47:19used
47:19handcuffs
47:20to
47:21restrain
47:21the
47:22victims.
47:23He
47:24rolled
47:25her
47:25to the
47:25side
47:26and
47:27took her
47:28handcuffs
47:28off.
47:29The
47:29LAPD
47:30analysed
47:31evidence
47:31report
47:32shows that
47:33none
47:33of the
47:34doctors,
47:35coroners,
47:35felt that
47:36any of the
47:37ligature
47:38impressions
47:38of any
47:39of the
47:40bodies
47:40could be
47:41associated
47:42with
47:42standard
47:42adjustable
47:43handcuffs.
47:45I mean
47:46what
47:46particularly
47:46struck me
47:47is the
47:48detail
47:48that they
47:49knew
47:49of the
47:50ligatures
47:51that there
47:52was no
47:52way that
47:53they could
47:54have been
47:54handcuffed.
47:55I mean
47:55that's very
47:56significant.
47:57I mean
47:57I actually
47:57believed
47:58what was
47:59false
48:00under
48:01hypnosis.
48:02Nobody
48:02said wait
48:03a minute,
48:03wait a minute,
48:04that's not
48:05true.
48:05I mean
48:05it's not
48:06just one
48:07false
48:08it's literally
48:09hundreds.
48:10I should
48:11have come
48:11within 10
48:11miles of
48:12a witness
48:13hand in
48:13this case.
48:18Jarred by
48:19conflicting
48:19testimony of
48:20their key
48:21witness
48:21prosecutors
48:22in
48:22California's
48:22Hillside
48:23Strangler
48:23case
48:24today
48:24asked
48:24to
48:25judge
48:25to
48:25dismiss
48:2610
48:26murder
48:26charges
48:27against
48:27suspect
48:28Angelo
48:28Bono.
48:30We're
48:30making
48:31this
48:31motion
48:31on the
48:31base
48:32of
48:32the
48:32evidence
48:32today
48:33particularly
48:34relating
48:34to the
48:35credibility
48:35or lack
48:36of it
48:36thereof
48:37of the
48:37witness
48:38Kenneth
48:38Bianchi
48:38that there
48:39is
48:39insufficient
48:39evidence
48:40to convict
48:40Mr. Bono
48:41beyond a
48:41reasonable
48:42doubt.
48:44I think
48:45all of us
48:45are disappointed
48:46that we are
48:47at this
48:47position
48:48today.
48:48We're pleased
48:49that the
48:49district attorney's
48:50office has
48:51moved to
48:52dismiss this
48:52case.
48:54It was a
48:55controversial
48:55move by
48:56the DA's
48:57office
48:58particularly
48:59in a case
49:01with that
49:01many murders
49:02that many
49:03complications.
49:06That was
49:07the first
49:07case I
49:08was involved
49:08in
49:09where the
49:09DA
49:10made a
49:10decision
49:11to dismiss
49:12it after
49:13we had
49:13filed it.
49:15It's just
49:16bullshit.
49:18When you put
49:18your case
49:19together
49:20and you take
49:20it to the
49:20DA's
49:21office
49:21and you
49:22have to
49:22convince
49:22them that
49:23you have
49:23a good
49:23enough
49:24case
49:24for them
49:24to file
49:25and get
49:25a conviction
49:27and then
49:28come out
49:28and say
49:28well
49:29we made
49:29a mistake
49:30it was
49:31a real
49:31blow.
49:33They kept
49:34talking to
49:35Ken
49:35and they
49:36got close
49:37and in
49:38effect
49:38they became
49:39one of his
49:39victims.
49:41That's his
49:41M.O.
49:42I mean
49:42he works
49:43everybody
49:43all the time.
49:45You just
49:46can't pay
49:46attention to
49:47that.
49:48You pay
49:48attention to
49:49what he's
49:49told you
49:49that you've
49:50corroborated.
49:52How they
49:53were killed
49:54the fact
49:55that all
49:56the girls
49:57were put
49:58in that
49:59one chair
49:59the fibers
50:01that were
50:01used
50:04and the
50:04mark found
50:05on Weckler
50:06who else
50:07would know
50:08that?
50:10All this
50:11work
50:11all this
50:12effort
50:12all these
50:13resources
50:15we knew
50:16we had
50:16the killers
50:17we had
50:18a case
50:20now we're
50:21just going
50:21to flush
50:22it down
50:23the toilet
50:25and
50:52we're
50:52going to
50:53do it.
50:53It's
50:53going to
50:53do it.
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