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00:09You guys recording, Molly?
00:11Yep.
00:18My name is Johan Harms, and I'm here to set the record straight.
00:24Mennonites are beautiful people.
00:26When the regular citizen thinks of the word Mennonite, they think of a quiet, very religious group of people.
00:32I would see them going by in the horse and buggies.
00:35I thought they were just religious people.
00:37God-fearing.
00:38Or abiding.
00:39Go to church.
00:41Hardworking.
00:41Don't swear.
00:42Who worked an honest life.
00:44Don't do anything wrong.
00:45Boy, was I wrong.
00:50Beneath the surface, there is something much more sinister taking place.
00:56There is a lot of good Mennonites, but there's a lot of bad Mennonites, too.
01:01A lot of them got excommunicated from the church for violating certain prohibitions.
01:06So you get this very, very enforced separation that then becomes the reason why so many rebel.
01:15Very small fraction of who commit crimes, and a lot of that crime is drug smugglers.
01:20There's a lot more money to be made at selling drugs than there is picking tomatoes and tobacco.
01:24And you begin to unearth the descent into narcotics trafficking.
01:29And all that entails in terms of danger, threat, harm, killing, extortion, coercion, intimidation.
01:38Oh, my God.
01:39This Mexican Mennonite is a drug dealer.
01:42I just know it's not a godly thing.
01:45There is no honor.
01:46The only thing that matters is money.
01:49They had this public image.
01:51It was like harmless peasants.
01:52We're so trusted, like, at borders.
01:54You were just good to go.
01:55These blind mules were driving these drug-laden vehicles all across the country.
02:02The big trucks, they were mainly coming in around about 2 and 3 in the morning,
02:07because that was not the daytime job.
02:10Mennonites got killed because they were starting doing jobs for cartels.
02:15This was the biggest thing I'd seen.
02:18This is a major drug operation with links to some of the most lethal, ruthless Mexican cartels in the world.
02:28There are a lot of Mennonites and problems like me.
02:32Being in a drug business isn't easy.
02:35It's a tough life.
02:39The Harms drug family has been untouchable for so long.
02:43They've been offered this sort of immunity for years by the Mexican government.
02:47Mr. Harms, they told me that you are involved in the drug business here in Cuauhtémoc.
02:51We knew that the Harms are running Mennonite Mafia.
02:54My understanding is that Abe enlisted the help of his sons, particularly on Enrique.
03:01He's comparable to the Chopper Guzman of the Sinolo cartel.
03:07He's at the top of the food chain.
03:09First it's marijuana, but then eventually comes cocaine.
03:13He's prepared to do anything to protect his interests, even if that means abducting, torturing, and beating to death with
03:23baseball bats members of the Mennonite community.
03:27Right now, as we speak, there is a full-scale war occurring just miles south of us in Chihuahua, Mexico.
03:37So many of them disappear.
03:39You get used to it, and then you don't see it as a sin anymore.
03:45The community is imploding.
03:48I knew the enemy was very, very close to me.
03:52They became more ruthless, more greedy, more interested in making more money.
03:57Defend your business.
03:58You've got to defend yourself, because if you're not going to be standing up for yourself, the people will eat
04:03you alive.
04:04This is the most bizarre story.
04:08What is a Mennonite doing with drugs?
04:11How is that possible?
04:13How did this happen?
04:15No more questions.
04:31My name's Bernie LeBlanc.
04:34I joined the Provincial Police in 1985.
04:391987, I became part of the Ontario Provincial Police Drug Enforcement Section.
04:45A lot of the smaller towns, even some of the bigger towns, their officers are all known, so it's not
04:52easy for them to infiltrate the drug dealers.
04:55So what they would do is take Provincial Police undercover operators, take us to a town.
05:00I always said it was one of my favourite things were going into these old bars, and when you first
05:07open that door and you smell the, you know, the sweat and the blood and the stale booze and cigarettes,
05:14it was just, let's get to work.
05:27It's about the mid-80s in Ontario.
05:31We're making stops and getting marijuana.
05:33It wasn't like marijuana we'd usually see, the homegrown would be loose stuff and all that.
05:37Well, we're seeing this compressed stuff, and it's got seeds in it, and it's obviously not from here, it's being
05:43smuggled, but it's extremely hard.
05:45And people are using coffee grinders to grind it up to be able to use it.
05:49But apparently it's extremely cheap, so it's becoming a hit, and we had no idea where it was coming from.
05:53In 1989, I was contacted by the Drug Enforcement Section from Windsor of the OPP.
06:03What do you think about coming and working in Leamington?
06:06I said, Leamington?
06:08Where in the hell is Leamington?
06:12A civilian came forward and was concerned about narcotics trafficking in the Leamington area.
06:19His brother had died from a drug overdose, and he was looking for payback, for sure.
06:27We were in the undercover car, and we were trying to come up with a plan on where we were
06:31going to go buy some more drugs.
06:33He said, I've heard about this Mennonite that's dealing drugs.
06:37And I said, Bull, they don't sell drugs.
06:41Honest, I had never really knew very much about Mennonites.
06:46I thought they were just religious people, go to church, don't swear, don't drink.
06:57Boy, was I wrong.
07:00When we pull up to the house, it just looked like your typical, what you would think of a Mennonite
07:06home.
07:07There's a clothesline at the back, and I still remember this.
07:11There was work clothes, and then it just kind of went down the line to baby diapers.
07:18There was no way I was going in there to buy drugs.
07:20We go up, and I knock on the door, and this Mexican Mennonite comes to the door, and it's Abraham
07:32Herms.
07:38I said, How are you doing?
07:39He said, Good.
07:40And I said, I'm looking to buy some weed.
07:43He invites me in.
07:44Yeah, what do you want?
07:46Well, I'll take a quarter.
07:47I was thinking quarter ounce, because I really didn't think they were dealing large quantity of drugs.
07:53So I see him go to the cupboard.
07:55He takes out a brick that I recognize as a kilo of weed.
07:59He cuts a quarter off the kiwi, and puts it on the scales, and here you go.
08:10Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather.
08:14Oh, my God.
08:16This Mexican Mennonite is a drug dealer.
08:29Abraham Herms originally came up into the Leamington area to work on a farm that harvested tomatoes.
08:35And then we find out he's had a side job.
08:38Along the way, someone convinced him that maybe he should start transporting loads of marijuana up there, too.
08:44There's a lot more money to be made at selling drugs than there is picking tomatoes and tobacco.
08:52Abe Herms thought I was going to be a connection for him to distribute drugs in Ontario.
08:58And he actually wanted me to go with him to Mexico.
09:02I go back to my boss and said, look, I want to go to Mexico.
09:06He goes, you idiot, you're not going to Mexico.
09:09We got no way of covering you.
09:11You can do what you can do here in Ontario, but you're not going anywhere else.
09:15I said, okay.
09:18Herms said that he would be able to get me four or five kilos of weed.
09:22I made the deal with Herms to meet on the dock in Wheatley, and it was all set.
09:35We ended up meeting on the dock in Wheatley.
09:38I seen the five kilos of weed.
09:41After a bit of a struggle getting the signal out to my arrest team,
09:46it was quite the feeling being on the end of this dock, waiting for the cavalry to show up,
09:52and no one's commented.
09:54I was counting the money.
09:55I'd go, ah, no, I got that wrong, and I'd start over again.
09:59I was just trying to buy time.
10:04All of a sudden, all these sirens and policemen are running down the dock with shotguns
10:09and throwing bodies on the ground, arresting everyone.
10:14Abraham Herms and his partner were taken off to jail.
10:19The next day, I introduced myself as Detective Constable LeBlanc.
10:24He wasn't too happy when he seen my face, not like the other times I had met him.
10:30A large group of policemen got called in at 4 o'clock in the morning
10:33to meet at a police station in Leamington,
10:34and we see two Mexican Mennonite guys in the cells,
10:37which at that time was a rarity.
10:39You might get the odd one for, you know, drunk driving or whatever.
10:42They bring in these two garbage bags,
10:45and they set them on the desk,
10:46and they say, today we're here to wrap up an undercover project.
10:49And then they open up the bag, and we see 50, 60 pounds.
10:53There was a lot of pot there compressed.
10:56Then they say something about the Mennonites.
10:58We're like, the guys in the back?
11:00You could just hear a pin drop, and everybody was kind of dumbfounded.
11:05Mystery of the Brick Weeds solved.
11:07I think everybody was flabbergasted,
11:09and it was Bernie's work that identified this organization.
11:13From what I understand,
11:15I was the first officer to purchase drugs off of Mexican Mennonites.
11:21The light bulb went on with law enforcement
11:23that these Mexican Mennonites just aren't these God-fearing people anymore.
11:30They're in the business.
11:32From the sounds of it, it was a good business.
11:37Abraham Harms was arrested in Ontario,
11:40and somehow they let this guy out on bail.
11:44Our judges aren't always the best of lawyers
11:46and the best decision-makers.
11:47Abe was smart enough to realize, let's get out of here.
11:50He skipped town.
11:51He went to Mexico.
11:56He never came back.
11:58But he also had his ties here,
12:00that he could still sell narcotics through other Mennonites,
12:02through his contacts that he made in organized crime.
12:04The narcotics don't slow down.
12:06They keep coming into Canada and the States.
12:09With so many families, they needed money.
12:12They weren't getting it from the farm.
12:13They'd been in the drought at that time.
12:15And they saw an easy way.
12:16Come up to Canada, two-day drive,
12:18bring a load of drugs,
12:19and you can make what you can make in a year as a farmhand.
12:29In 1991, I was kind of goofing off.
12:33I went down to the CBC Library.
12:36This is pre-internet.
12:37I happened upon the Windstar.
12:39I see this, what we call a three-inch story,
12:43a small little story.
12:44And it makes mention of the fact that a fellow
12:47by the name of Cornelius Bandman
12:49had been arrested at the border
12:51with a false-bottom sofa packed with dope.
12:58Cornelius Bandman.
13:00Cornelius Bandman.
13:03That's a Mennonite name.
13:04And the first question was,
13:06what is a Mennonite doing with dope
13:09in the false-bottom of a sofa?
13:11I recognized that he was just a mule.
13:13He was getting paid to ship the dope
13:16from Kwakdamuk through the United States
13:20into southwestern Ontario and southern Manitoba.
13:24So the question was,
13:25who's Bandman a mule for?
13:28I discovered that Cornelius was in the pay
13:31of Abraham Harms.
13:33Well, who's Harms working for?
13:36Canadian law enforcement,
13:37they had these jurisdictional issues
13:40that they had to deal with.
13:42They couldn't travel to Mexico.
13:44As a journalist, I didn't face those obstacles.
13:46I could go to Kwakdamuk.
14:11We went down to Kwakdamuk.
14:15We descend upon the Harmses.
14:19We arrive at his homestead.
14:26Hello, Mr. Harms?
14:27Hello, I'm Hannah Gartner, Canadian television.
14:30I think you can interview him in English.
14:32Yes, I was talking to...
14:33I'll talk slowly.
14:36I was speaking to Canadian police
14:39and they told me that you are involved
14:41in the drug business here in Kwakdamuk.
14:45No, not me.
14:47No?
14:47No.
14:48Are you retired?
14:50No, I never do get it.
14:52Well, that's not true at all, Mr. Harms.
14:56You're a fugitive from Canada
14:58on narcotics charges,
15:00possession and trafficking of marijuana.
15:05The customs official and the police
15:08are very anxious to have you.
15:09Could I ask you one question?
15:10Just as a parent,
15:11how can you make your children
15:13act as mules and smuggle narcotics
15:15across the border?
15:17As a parent, I would like to know this.
15:21I don't understand you.
15:23Are you going back to Canada
15:25to face charges?
15:26No, I don't know.
15:27Maybe not you.
15:30So you admit that
15:31you are in the drug business?
15:36You're staring at me, sir,
15:37but you're not answering.
15:41Is that your son
15:42behind us
15:43in the purple cap?
15:45Is this the boy?
15:46Yeah.
15:47I thought you said
15:47he's not home.
15:49I think you do understand
15:51that you have made criminals
15:52out of your children.
15:53I think you do understand that.
16:09Really telling moment
16:10where he starts dangling the keys.
16:13The nervousness
16:14begins to overtake him.
16:18A, he had children.
16:24And had enlisted
16:27the help of his sons,
16:28particularly Enrique.
16:33There's a son there.
16:35Johan is there.
16:36Baseball cap, sheepish.
16:38Johan realizes what's happening.
16:41She makes a hasty exit.
16:50And the critical question was,
16:52I think that singed
16:54his sense of self
16:57was how could you
17:00enlist your children?
17:01And I think Abe
17:03at that point recognized
17:04what he had done.
17:06That he, for money,
17:08had converted
17:11his children into criminals.
17:22Enrique was in jail
17:24in Juarez
17:24on heroin charges.
17:35I remember his hair
17:37being cropped here.
17:39He's had very bad haircut.
17:44It was as if
17:45you were confronting
17:46a little boy.
17:48I would like to know
17:49what you're going to tell
17:50your father
17:50when you get out of here.
17:52Like, when I answer that,
17:54why the drugs
17:56were coming in the truck.
17:59And he still hasn't
18:00told you that?
18:01No.
18:09What happened,
18:10Abraham Harms?
18:12Well, what happened
18:13to Abraham Harms
18:14is still a bit
18:16of a mystery,
18:17I think.
18:19Shortly after,
18:20we discovered that
18:22Abe met a sudden
18:24and violent death.
18:27He is killed
18:28in a car wreck
18:29on the highway
18:30between
18:32Cuauhtémoc
18:32and the town
18:33of Rubio,
18:34which is 22 miles
18:35of straight highway.
18:36From what I was told,
18:37he drove off the road,
18:39hid a tree,
18:39crawled up
18:40out of the ditch
18:41onto the road
18:42and got hit
18:42by a second car.
18:44It's very difficult
18:45to determine
18:45what the truth is.
18:47The other story,
18:49which has developed
18:50some credence
18:51within law enforcement,
18:53is that perhaps
18:54it wasn't as innocent
18:55as that,
18:56that he may have
18:57been killed,
18:58that the so-called
18:59accident
19:00was not an accident.
19:01But he died,
19:02and he died
19:03going to church
19:04with the Bible
19:06in hand.
19:07The contradictions,
19:08he still believed
19:10to his last breath,
19:12apparently.
19:13Enrique Harms,
19:13Johan Harms,
19:14begin to develop
19:16the drug business
19:17that their father
19:18bequeathed them.
19:20First it's marijuana,
19:21but then eventually
19:23comes cocaine
19:25because the supplies
19:25coming from Colombia
19:26are just catastrophic.
19:28in the traffic.
20:11I was 18. I started dating Abraham. Really, oh my gosh, I was feeling so many butterflies
20:20in my stomach. When we started wanting to get married, we had to come past our sins
20:28to everyone, what we had done wrong. For the biggest stuff, we had to go to the bishop and like
20:34Abraham,
20:35he had stolen money from a place where he worked before.
20:41And then the bishop said, oh, you have way too much sin, we cannot forgive you.
20:48What kind of person he is, what he has done, you are damned, we cannot forgive you.
20:58Abraham had a very hard time with it. He lost all his faith.
21:08And then I got kicked out of the church in the community too. I was only about three months
21:15with Abraham, then he already started hitting me. I didn't expect that, that I would have to
21:23deal with that more. But that's what I ended up with.
21:33When I grew up in Mexico, we never had electricity. That was a sin.
21:39Mennonites that have so many rules their own, gosh, you cannot imagine.
21:46They expect a Mennonite woman is supposed to be in church every Sunday. Some Sundays we all dressed
21:56the same color, dark brown or black. Mostly all had the same hairstyle.
22:07One day when I was almost 10 years old, my mom died. That was hurting in my heart. I was
22:19never the
22:20same again. I was lost. My dad, I got spankings pretty bad from him. Sometimes I had to run
22:31after a booster cable that he was trying to hit me with and stuff like that. And that was not
22:38easy on me.
22:43I was feeling like I was lost. I didn't get any love from anybody. It's
22:52amazing sometimes to think about it that you still can be alive after all that.
23:04We decided to leave Mexico because Mennonite would have eaten us alive.
23:20Abe Weeby, he was my brother-in-law. I knew him in Mexico for years.
23:28Well, after I got married to his sister. One day we decided to move to Oklahoma.
23:37Abe and Helen, they showed up in Thomas in the mid-90s.
23:42And they stayed with us for a week or two. And then they moved into an apartment at the motel.
23:49Abe started working here and there. Some just never knew
23:54from one day to the next if he was going to be around or not. He did drink a lot.
24:01Nobody could tell him nothing.
24:05And when we were living in Oklahoma, Abraham, he always had a bunch of Mexican friends.
24:11Javier Morales, that was the top one.
24:13Javier Morales lived in Luquiba, Oklahoma. And Javier connected Abraham Weeby with Rene Cisneros,
24:21the contact to the source of Mexico, the local wholesaler.
24:28Abraham and Javier Morales, they, a lot of times they went to a cantina.
24:38Abraham, he knew of drug trafficking from the area where he was hanging around with his friends.
24:47And several years for having friends like that. And so that's how he got involved with it.
24:54He said always, I have to go and get the truck. Abraham, he was in that drug trafficking and all
25:02that stuff.
25:03I knew the drugs were coming from Mexico, but I didn't know who was sending it or this or that.
25:11I didn't know any about it.
25:20Abe called me up one night and he said, I'm having trouble with a tire to take off.
25:25I went over there and I had a rough time at my business at that time.
25:31He just got in his pocket and he had a big roll of money.
25:35Abe told me that he took these wheels apart, took the rims out, cut them all open,
25:44packaged it up all into the city.
25:47He just said, if you work like this, you just work a little bit, just a couple of hours a
25:53day.
25:53And he said, you got all the money you need to do whatever you want to do.
25:57He asked me, he said, why wouldn't you do this instead of freezing your butt off in the shop
26:05and just hardly making it.
26:08And I mean, there was a temptation.
26:11He didn't do nothing.
26:12He had bigger old money in his pocket.
26:21He said, just at that time, I couldn't, I mean, I couldn't afford to have nothing.
26:38Then I said, no, it's not what I want for my family and that's not what I'm going to do.
26:46I walked away from it.
26:50There's so many Mennonite people, so poor.
27:00They'd be tempted to do it because that's easy money.
27:03And when they got an offer like that, they took it.
27:11But Abe, they thought he was in control.
27:41Abraham always told me that he would one day tell the police that he knows something
27:46where police would be very suspicious over.
27:50And I told him that's not good for you if you do that.
27:53But he didn't care.
27:56One day he got pulled over for drinking and driving and he always had to talk.
28:05Abraham Weeby was stopped in Thomas.
28:10I got a call from a chief up there and he has a guy stop and the guy saying some
28:15silly things about
28:17Mennonites making this Christian methods for the cartels.
28:21Do you want to go talk to him?
28:23And I go, sure, why not?
28:27When I first met Abraham Weeby, the chief had this secluded building away from town.
28:33He didn't want anybody seeing us interviewing him.
28:36I remember walking in the interview and a farm boy, he looked like a farm kid.
28:44Like, he stood out, he greeted him and he was really docile.
28:50How are you doing?
28:52I'm kind of slow about his movements.
28:54I guess that's what Mennonites are.
28:56I guess that's kind of their makeup.
28:58They're very nice, very calm, but it was a surprise.
29:01So I was like, does he know?
29:03How does he know?
29:04It was very weird.
29:05And I'm thinking, this guy is going to give me anything.
29:08I had my list of questions and I started talking to him about them.
29:12He goes, but that's not what you want to know.
29:14And he started telling me about this top piece.
29:19Wholesaling, mass transportation, secretion methods, smuggling, locations, trucks.
29:26I'm like, this guy knows.
29:28Stuff that we caught with top level conspirators that we intercepted.
29:31Nobody gets to know that stuff unless you're in it.
29:37Abraham had to be involved in some way or fashion to know those details.
29:42And he started talking about him being a Mennonite.
29:44And I'm like, I thought you guys stayed away from this stuff.
29:47This is nothing in your culture.
29:49He goes, oh, no, no, no.
29:51If you go down to Mexico, we ran out of land.
29:55That's all we do.
29:58Most of the people have moved to moving drugs for the cartels.
30:04And I posed a question to him.
30:05I said, what if we put you at a house and had the 18-wheelers come to you?
30:12What do you think?
30:14And this guy wasn't nervous, calm.
30:17He was like, yeah, I could do that, yeah.
30:30Thomas is northwest Oklahoma.
30:33It's pretty rural.
30:34And this farmhouse and barn we got from the mayor.
30:38The mayor offered it to us to use it.
30:42It was probably four miles from in town.
30:45There is nothing around.
30:47Maybe another house a couple of miles down the road.
30:50But you can't see nothing much out there.
30:51So it's a setting where nobody's going to suspect anything.
30:56This barn, you could pull the 18-wheeler in.
30:59I told Abraham to tell Javier Morales, I have a farmhouse.
31:04I have a barn.
31:05Come look at it.
31:06I want to make some money.
31:08This is not going to be for free.
31:09Abraham told Javier, which in turn told René Cisneros.
31:13René Cisneros had connections to every city in Oklahoma and other states.
31:19He had all these wholesalers in small towns that he was connected to.
31:24They believe it's his farmhouse, his place that he's renting out.
31:28They just saw a way to avoid bringing it to the city and stashing it in Thomas.
31:33It was an immediate sell.
31:38We had to wire up the farmhouse with cameras.
31:42We had to have two surveillance teams for the inner city, for the wholesalers that were picking up,
31:47and a night team.
31:49They were running day and night.
31:51The big trucks were mainly coming in around 2 and 3 in the morning,
31:56because that was not a daytime job.
32:01When the truck would come in, Abraham was outside helping the people there.
32:05And I would write down license plates and phone numbers if I could and all that stuff.
32:12We're getting a call from Abraham saying, hey, I got somebody from the city coming right now.
32:18These were times from 2 o'clock in the morning to 5 o'clock in the morning.
32:22So we would have to scurry up, take off to Thomas, which get there in a high rate of speed.
32:27So we would try to beat him to the punch to see them pick it up, load it up.
32:32The most drugs was hitting in this Hummer truck frame.
32:35And the tires, they had a pipe around the rim so that it would stay on there.
32:41In all four tires, it was packed.
32:43The drug was packed with plastic, and then they had a bunch of baby powder.
32:48And then it was foil, and then it was baby powder, and then there were charolets of foil.
32:54In this flat package, like paca de aquilo, that was like a pound size each.
33:00My house had a very old basement.
33:03They carried it in there, and they came to and put it in black bags.
33:08We had to deliver it from there.
33:11Sometimes I like to be sneaky, because I'm a Mennonite, too.
33:16The 18-wheelers, the beams of the trailer that spread from the back of the trailer to the front,
33:24were hollow.
33:25And they'd stuff the dope all the way up through the beams.
33:29So when they would get to our location, Abraham would use this painter's pole to fish out the dope.
33:38Within Mennonite culture, there is almost an innate ingenuity, innovative kind of
33:44sense of we can make do with whatever we got.
33:48They're really good at making false walls, really good at mechanics and finding spaces in carburetors
33:55and engines for dope.
33:57I tried to surveil something from a mile away.
34:00We had surveillance binoculars, and we're seeing this happen.
34:04This is a year-long investigation.
34:09In 1999, I get contacted by the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics.
34:14We start discussing their investigation a little bit in detail.
34:17And they said, well, we'd like you to come down because we really haven't dealt with Mennonites.
34:21So we're going to fly up to Detroit and meet up with you, talking about Mennonites, what to expect,
34:27how to deal with them, how the hierarchy works.
34:29It was golden to have him connect the dots for us because, I mean, we're not Mexico.
34:34We did not know they were in Canada.
34:37He was able to name the people because he knew them historically.
34:43Like a month later, I get the call.
34:45They did their first buy.
34:46They sent me the pictures, and it was, oh, that's more than we've ever saw.
34:50We learned it was going to Florida, Chicago, Mississippi, Seattle, Colorado, New Mexico.
34:58That's when they realized, holy cow, this is going everywhere.
35:02This is bigger than we all thought.
35:11As the case was ending, we had been doing this for almost nine months.
35:16I know I'm physically tired.
35:17I'm working during the day, getting up at 2 or 3 in the morning, working for three hours, sleeping two
35:23hours.
35:24Abraham's protecting the dough, calling me, so I'm sure he's exhausted.
35:29He has to drink with these guys when they're hanging around, and he's forming a friendship.
35:34The only friend he's developing is Javier and getting closer to him.
35:40Abraham would approach me about, hey, when are you going to do the rest?
35:45Are you going to take down Javier Morales?
35:47At that moment when he asked me, I knew there's something there.
35:52He's trying to protect Javier.
35:54If I would have said, yeah, I'm going to tell you I want to arrest everybody,
35:57then he would have told Javier.
35:58In the case, we would have never arrested anybody.
36:02So I was never going to tell Abraham or Helen, even though Abraham was consistent about asking.
36:09In the very last month, Abraham was getting so depressed, and he didn't want to deliver the stuff anymore.
36:16He didn't want to talk to them anymore.
36:19Not to Javier Morales, not to the agents.
36:22I guess he didn't know which way to go.
36:32Towards the end of the wire, as you're identifying everybody in town and collecting the evidence,
36:38you reach a point where there's nobody else to identify.
36:40My admin and all the case agents made a decision to make a complete and target date to round everybody
36:48up.
36:56This is a joint investigation.
36:58We've been working hand in hand with OVN, trying to get the dope off the street.
37:01This tonight is a major step because this is a major, major load that's been taken out.
37:1122,000 pounds in the total of the case.
37:14We had 2,300 pounds of cocaine.
37:17There was a little bit of heroin, 28 arrests of all wholesalers, 18 search warrants of locations.
37:35Abraham and his wife Helen, I met with him and I told him,
37:39we're going to put you in a protection program.
37:41We were living at that point in a hotel in Oklahoma City, right beside.
37:47Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and then we didn't know what to do until Abraham
37:52got to the point that he wanted to go to Mexico.
37:55But I said, no, it's not a safe place for you.
37:58He was just getting so mad at me.
38:00Okay, he said, I will leave you here and I will go by myself.
38:04He didn't care about me or anything at that point.
38:16After the arrest, Abe showed up at the shop and he said he was going to Mexico.
38:22And I told him, if they see you down there, I said, you know that they know what happened.
38:28You're tying the rope on here and I said, they're going to finish you off down there.
38:32And he said, nobody is going to do that to me.
38:35Then he was kind of upset and he just got his vehicle and left.
38:53We went back to the campo of where he grew up.
38:59He called, he was in Mexico. It's an argument. What are you doing down there?
39:03Why would you go down there? This is your family. Now, Mexico's big.
39:08In his mind, if I could live somewhere, not say any word, he'd be fine.
39:17But I don't know if you've been in the Mennonite community. They all gossip.
39:20They're all close-knit. They all share information.
39:25So I'm sure somebody told somebody where they were going,
39:28and that's how they learned they were in Mexico.
39:38There is a lot of good Mennonite people down there, but there's a lot of bad ones too. A lot
39:45of them.
39:59We had a car. It was a Dodge Dynasty. It was a beautiful car. I loved it.
40:05And then we got in Mexico. He wanted to sell it.
40:09We came guy, supposedly he was from Rubio. He came by and wanted to buy it.
40:16And the guy supposedly was buying the car. He was going with him to the border.
40:24But they never got there. We were calling to the United States. We had to go to a different
40:31combo to make the phone call because we didn't have no phones at that point still. And we were
40:36trying to communicate with his aunts and uncle and sister and brother. And there was nothing.
40:46Six days after Abraham left the house, my mother-in-law got up that day. She was so surprised. She
40:55was
40:55screaming so badly that the window was broken. And then she came into my room screaming,
41:02girl, get up. Just come and see what had happened. And then we found the rock. There was that ladder
41:09attached to a rock. And then that's what made the window broken that was laying there under the
41:14pew, close to the table.
41:18In November 22nd, 1999,
41:21Senora Weave,
41:22para más informarle que Abraham está bien y le manda muchos saludos. Pero si usted vuelve a hablar para
41:32Estados Unidos, vamos a matar y a Abraham y usted con todo y familia porque la estamos cuidando aquí y
41:44allá de muy
41:45cerca. Usted sabe si habla o va. Después nos reportamos.
41:54Anyway, I told her, get your stuff. I don't care what you have in your pocket money-wise.
41:59Get your kids. Come to the border. Cross the border. Just get out now.
42:05I had a source in Cuauhtémoc and that source told me that they had kidnapped Abe, beat him, tortured him,
42:13over cooperated, went over what he gave, hit him on top of the head with a bat, threw him in
42:19the lake.
42:20Abe was killed and thrown in the lake.
42:34This is an organization run by ruthless people who will kill in order to protect
42:45their operation and the money that is generated by that operation.
42:52Abe Weavey, he was working with somebody and the person he was working for was working for someone else.
43:00And then, of course, it goes back to arms.
43:08Do you hold Enrique Arms responsible for Abraham Weavey disappearing?
43:14I was told by the source and Rene Cisneros that he had him killed. And I had the other reporter
43:21telling me that. So, yes, I believe he did it.
43:27How dangerous is Enrique Harms?
43:29Enrique Harms is dangerous like every other cartel member. They have resources that can harm anybody they want.
43:36Enrique was emerging as the kind of the heir apparent to his dad.
43:42But unlike his father, wasn't sheepish about his wealth. He wanted to show others that he was a powerful man.
43:50What was the source of his power? Money. How did he arrive at that money? Through narcotics.
43:56He was the stereotypical godfather and that he was a dangerous man.
44:03Enrique was a visionary. They made a strategic decision to diversify into heroin, cocaine.
44:11And, of course, that meant that they needed to establish even deeper links to Mexican cartels and other criminal organizations
44:19operating both in Canada and the United States.
44:23They diversified. They became more ruthless.
44:27And it didn't matter who they harmed and what they had to do to satisfy their thirst.
44:36You guys recording, Molly?
44:38Yeah.
44:39Come on, Mark.
44:46My name is Johan Harms, and my dad's name is Abraham Harms, and I'm here to set the record straight.
45:00Keep going.
45:26Keep going.
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