00:01Matías, how are you? Welcome.
00:02Okay, good afternoon Fabi, is everything alright?
00:04Well, I'm fine. You're starting to become quite the expert.
00:07in visiting fields with mutilated animals.
00:11Yes, it's strange, it's strange, it's strange, because people can't seem to wrap their heads around any of the stories.
00:18This case that we are going to present is again in Bordenave.
00:20It's in a field again, exactly a couple of kilometers away, it's 4 or 5 kilometers.
00:25and one goes from Bahia towards Bordenave 4 or 5 kilometers before.
00:28My question is, the first time you went, did you go to Bordenave?
00:32We went to Bordenave.
00:33Near that one?
00:34Yes, it's the same area.
00:36The second case was closer to Buratoví, in Villarino.
00:40The second case was for the Azcazubi side.
00:43Exactly, exactly.
00:44And if we compare, this one comes before the other.
00:47Going towards Bordenave, it's a couple of kilometers before where the first field was.
00:51which we went about 20 days ago.
00:55Is this a single animal?
00:56This is a single animal, exactly.
00:59But also, when we went, what they told us, we only went to one field.
01:03But another case had appeared.
01:06The same is true in another field also very close by, more towards the Azopardo side.
01:10Moving on to Bordenave towards Azopardo, the route that goes to that area.
01:15There is also another field with a very similar situation.
01:18And they can't quite find an explanation because, well, neither can the owners of the field,
01:23at least in this case, to the field we went to now of the infant family,
01:27He thinks it might be the chupacabra or something like that.
01:30But the idea of using an animal doesn't close the door on them at all.
01:34Now, you who had in all three cases the cuts or wounds that the animals have,
01:39Are they similar?
01:40Yeah.
01:41Uh-huh.
01:42And in similar areas.
01:43In this case, the one we went to was much more open in the area of the cow's belly.
01:48The cut was wider.
01:50But similar cuts.
01:52But the cuts are very similar.
01:53The areas where they cut are also very similar.
01:56You'll see...
01:57The image that is always repeated and that attracts attention is the part of the cow's head,
02:02that is like peeled, like burned, directly.
02:05You can see him...
02:05His jawbone and teeth are visible.
02:08They don't have a tongue, they don't have an eye, in some cases they don't have an ear.
02:12And the cuts are almost perfect, I mean.
02:14They are perfect.
02:16In other words, they don't have a brand.
02:18So, that, on the one hand, that's one of the things that doesn't sit right with them regarding the issue of the
02:22animals.
02:22That an animal can make such a precise cut without tearing anything at all.
02:28Shall we look at the report?
02:29Let's see the report because we went all the way to Rubén Infante's field.
02:32We arrived and he accompanied us and took us to the area of the field where he found the dead animal.
03:12Everything seems strange to you, everything seems odd to you.
03:14Well, one of the strange things is the cut, which is too perfect.
03:23Could that cut have been made with a knife?
03:27And it could be compared to what you could do with a knife.
03:31But we can't think that there was a human hand involved here because there's no possibility that it was.
03:41Another thing is what you eat; you eat in soft places.
03:47The big question is, if the animal was already dead, does he kill it?
03:53That's a question.
03:54Why do you think the animal wasn't dead?
03:59I get the impression that he couldn't be dead, which no, no, no, no, one can say no.
04:05Because of the animal's age, which is four years, and because of the animal's condition.
04:10He was healthy.
04:11He was healthy.
04:12At first I immediately looked, I checked his nose, to see if he had pneumonia, because pneumonia kills them,
04:19If one doesn't treat them in time, the nose was clean, otherwise it should have been dirty, it would have to
04:24having had a runny nose.
04:26Then, that possible bloodstain that was there, without clotting, blood without clotting, although the blood can be
04:36to have taken,
04:38but there was no clotting under the head either.
04:43It all came down to the ground; if the blood is cold, that doesn't happen.
04:48That's what they would give the impression of, although one cannot say for sure that it is real, that the blood was hot.
04:55In other words, she had just been killed.
04:57Theoretically, yes.
04:59If they kill him, how do they kill him?
05:00Because killing a calf is one thing, but killing a cow like this, which has
05:04strength, that runs, that kicks, that bumps, that...
05:07And the cow was dead in a position as if it had been sleeping and died, right?
05:18There is no evidence that he kicked, that he was in agony, that he defended himself.
05:24On the cow, in the healthy areas, there are no scratches, there is nothing.
05:28There is nothing to prove that there was violence, let's say, in an attack.
05:34One thinks of the weevil, as it is commonly known; veterinarians try to explain it from that perspective.
05:42Is it hard to believe that a mouse could cause the damage this cow has?
05:46Where did that mouse come from? Where is it? And what happens while absolutely nothing happens?
05:53Here in this field, it's been, I reckon about five years, since there was a case and then
06:00There were no more cases.
06:01We can't rule out that it's the mouse, but where is it? What does it eat when it's not doing this?
06:09While he doesn't do this and time passes, years go by.
06:12Another thing that is somewhat striking is that, whether mangoes or abiotes, they have yielded something.
06:21But not like they sometimes pile up on a dead tree.
06:25It's something that has no explanation.
06:27You also don't want to believe or confirm that it's something that comes from above.
06:32And it seems to me that we are very far from having to think about that because we would be fantasizing and not
06:39It fits well.
06:40I don't think there's any proof or anything that makes me think it's extraterrestrial.
06:52One has to be careful with what one says because we are dealing with a rare, almost unprecedented case, but not
07:04We have an answer.
07:05We have no answer.
07:21And the neighbors are quite cautious in saying what they think.
07:25How do you feel about them? Are they afraid? What's the feeling like?
07:28No, I didn't see that they were afraid because we're going to review the testimony of some neighbors in a little while.
07:34Even some people who believe in this kind of thing aren't exactly afraid.
07:38Without certainty and wanting to know what.
07:40Of course, by fear I also mean that it might happen to other animals.
07:44Well, in that sense, yes, now let's listen, Natalia Cápez is the delegate of Bordenave.
07:54It should be noted that Bordenave belongs to the Puan district; it has a branch there in the town.
07:58And what can the authorities do?
08:01Not much.
08:01Look, they approach the neighbors, chat with the country folk, try to offer support or a
08:08A helping hand to the producers who are suffering from this,
08:10Because there is a loss, there is a loss between 20,000 and 30,000 pesos depending on the animal.
08:15Important, yes.
08:16And not knowing why is also not knowing how to avoid it.
08:21Yes, silence, your name is that it will happen to you again.
08:23And what controls can be implemented? I don't know, there could be more police presence, but I don't know if that prevents that.
08:28But what? Police presence?
08:30In each field.
08:31In each field, with the intensities they have in the fields.
08:34It's difficult.
08:35Okay, so what did the delegate tell you?
08:36Okay, the delegate, we spoke with her for a minute, now we're going to listen to her.
08:39But in general, what he's saying is that there's a certain level of concern among the people.
08:44There's a bit of uncertainty about not knowing what's happening, but at least for now...
08:48They have no certainty about what might happen, and of course, the delegation...
08:53What we do is try to support the farmers.
08:58Let's say yes, there is a bit of a revolution surrounding this issue of not knowing what's going on,
09:03What is happening with the issue of animal mutilation, livestock in a field,
09:11in the same place, almost all in the same region that they are experiencing lately.
09:16This isn't something new; I've been hearing about these cases for a long time.
09:22I know that they don't all happen at the same time or in the same fields,
09:26But we always have.
09:30Now, coincidentally, in one month I learned that there were several.
09:38Well, people are very worried because some say they see lights,
09:44Others heard nothing, others heard that the Treasury troops felt the commotion that night,
09:52The dogs won't come near, it's all very strange.
09:57We are all concerned because when you see it on television or on social media, it's...
10:03If it happens in other places, he lets it go, he talks about it, but when it's happening to you here,
10:12You ask why here, if this didn't happen so often or didn't always happen in the same place
10:19And now it happened frequently and with not much distance between one field and the other.
10:34Well, and you also went around Bordenave talking to the neighbors.
10:38Yes, yes, because we left the delegation.
10:40I imagine it's the topic of the moment.
10:42And it's the topic of the moment, and the delegation sector is also somewhat of a concentration
10:46Because it is, you could say, the center of the town, where the paperwork is done.
10:50And so on, that's all, it's focused there at the delegation, so we approach
10:54And we talk to neighbors who have all sorts of opinions, about anything you can think of.
10:59Because everyone either believes or doesn't believe, disbelieves or doesn't disbelieve.
11:02Each of the people you interviewed knew what had happened.
11:05Yes, some said no, that they didn't know, others said yes, it's this thing, no, it's that other thing,
11:10No, aliens don't exist.
11:12No, but it's possible, because there could be life, if there is life on this planet.
11:15Why can't there be life on another planet, given how big the galaxy is?
11:20There's everything.
11:20Okay, let's listen to the residents of Bordenave.
11:24I don't think so, but it's strange, it's strange, I don't know.
11:28What don't you believe in?
11:29I don't believe in strange things, I don't believe in them.
11:33There has to be some explanation, but I don't know what it is, so I don't know, I have no idea.
11:37There are many comments, the problem is that nothing is defined, we don't know what it is.
11:45Something strange is happening, and not just here, it's been heard in the surrounding area too.
11:53And well, let's hope this gets cleared up because people are worried.
11:58Not only for the animals, but for the people.
12:02Do all these doubts lead one to believe in things that one wouldn't normally think about?
12:07Yes, there's a lot of talk about, I don't know, extraterrestrials, things that are out there, or images that people see, lights.
12:15Well, the truth is I don't know, I can't find an explanation for it.
12:19I'm here to believe, I don't believe, nothing's happening either, weird, so no.
12:27Don't you think it came from somewhere else, stranger?
12:29No, no, no, no, no, it's quiet here, so no.
12:34There should be a logical explanation, don't you think?
12:36Yes, yes, of course, but it's something that already happened, but it's okay, so...
12:40People are acting like they know everything and blaming it on the chupacabra, but it's nothing like that.
12:45No?
12:45Don't you believe that?
12:46No, I don't think so.
12:47What do you think, are they people or animals?
12:49They are people who act like they know everything and blame someone else.
12:53Hey?
12:54In other things it is not.
12:55No, no, it doesn't come from the extraterrestrial side, nothing like that.
12:58No, that's not true.
12:59No, not at all, no, no, no.
13:02And what are people saying in the village?
13:04In the town, some believe, others do not.
13:06A little bit of everything?
13:07It's like everything else, it's like everything else.
13:10Are beautiful stories being created?
13:11Yes, people with imagination say what they want.
13:16In total, we lend each other out for everything.
13:20I believe that the people are not as worried as they were last time, when this had just come up,
13:25There were even many versions, well, even today there are versions that have seen lights
13:30and some kind of stain appearing on the floor and so on, but I frankly think it's...
13:40Many will hate me for this, but I think it might be an animal scavenging.
13:44a fox or something like that.
13:47I don't believe it's something from beyond, like an extraterrestrial or something.
13:52Those theories emerged.
13:54But yes, there are even people who go nearby, to Laguna del Pincén, to observe lights and there are apparitions of
14:03UFOs and such,
14:04But frankly, I don't agree with that theory, let's say.
14:09And I believe this problem, I think it was back in 2001 when I was in Rúa, that there was
14:13problems in the country
14:14And now there are problems again, which means they're staging a drill to distract people, all those things
14:19things.
14:21Don't you want strange things coming from elsewhere, like the way people talk, lights?
14:26No, those things don't exist, they're all lies. Politicians make them up to distract people.
14:32And what makes a person do this?
14:34Yes, they do it with some kind of thing they have that doesn't draw blood, that they burn, all that stuff.
14:47Well, as we were saying, there's everything, all the theories, all the theories, there must be many more.
14:52Yes, yes, definitely.
14:53Every inhabitant of Bordelave must have a different theory.
14:55Sure, yes, yes, yes, sure, because there are many people out there who didn't dare to be in front of the camera,
15:00He stopped, but he still stayed and chatted with us for a while.
15:03And yes, each one, some go one way, others the other,
15:06But everyone has their own theory, their own way of thinking, they believe or don't believe in certain things.
15:10Well, this man says it's the politicians.
15:12Well, what do I know?
15:13To avoid talking about the crisis.
15:15Well.
15:15Let's talk about...
15:16From the chupacabra.
15:17From the chupacabra, for example.
15:18Well, where will you go next time? We don't know.
15:20I don't know, if they let me, I don't know, we'll see.
15:23Let's hope not.
15:24Let's hope they don't keep appearing, especially for the rural people who are losing their livestock.
15:27Thank you, Matías.
15:28No, see you later.
15:28Thank you, Matías.
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