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01:29what is it it's not him I didn't want a text or phone to tell you but I don't believe
01:38you
01:38on my kids it's true no you've had it confirmed it's Myers and now you're scared you have to
01:48listen to me Craig Myers is not a DJ Turner you're lying I saw him Anna
01:57so who do you not understand what I'm telling you who did you see we have ruined an innocent man's
02:04life who more won't tell you more no you have to tell me for Liam's sake this isn't about Liam
02:20not anymore it's over Anna we ruined his life
02:32so
02:37so
02:42so
02:49so
02:53so
03:03so
03:27members of the jury
03:28please your spokesperson please rise have you reached a verdict in respect of the accused
03:35Anna Louise Dean yes what is your verdict
03:44guilty
03:47are there any deletions or amendments to the charge deletion of the word murder amended to
03:54assault to danger of life
04:04my lady pending preparation of reports I make an application for bail
04:08mrs. Dean is part of a strong family unit has no previous convictions and has adhered to the
04:14conditions of bail set at the petition hearing
04:17I will continue to grant bail subject to the same special conditions
04:31this is Christian leave me a message and I'll get back to you it's not him Christian it's not Craig
04:39Myers the social worker meets Turner in the cafe but you're not looking for Craig Myers
04:54okay so
04:56in short
04:58they believed Anna posted the message and wanted Craig Myers assaulted but not that she wanted him dead
05:04it's not great but it could have been a lot worse
05:10so what now
05:12sentencing in a few weeks time
05:20I'm sorry
05:23I'm so sorry
05:25oh mum
05:36I'm sorry
05:37oh
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10:04Hey boss.
10:05Did you go and see a William Napier in custody at Edinburgh?
10:13He attacked Craig Myers.
10:14Told you that did he?
10:15No.
10:16Because Annadine has a hold over him.
10:17But I'm going to talk to DS Harvey.
10:19No.
10:19No.
10:19You are not.
10:21Napier has made a complaint to solicitor.
10:24Despite your warnings.
10:26Or threats.
10:27Boss.
10:28Not only did you ignore a direct order from me.
10:30Look, if we can get an admission before Annadine is sentenced.
10:33You interviewed a potential suspect alone and unrecorded.
10:36Do you really think we'd get a conviction after that?
10:41Well, I'm surprised you're not congratulating me.
10:43Means all of this will go away a lot quicker, doesn't it?
10:45I'm suspending you from duty as of now.
10:52She's laughing at us, you know that?
10:53She's sitting there with Napier right now having a good old chuckle.
10:57Napier isn't chuckling with anyone.
10:59He tried to kill himself last night.
11:01I need your warm coat.
11:20Ben!
11:21Come here!
11:24Why?
11:26Just, just do as you're told, okay?
11:29No, no, no, no.
11:30You stay where you are.
11:34He never wanted to lie.
11:37What have you told him?
11:40The truth.
11:41And what's that?
11:45Why, Danny?
11:49The night we met, I didn't know how to talk to you.
11:54And then, you mentioned Liam like straight away.
11:58Why?
12:02All those years, I didn't know what to do with any of it.
12:07I couldn't let go of it.
12:09I couldn't talk about it either.
12:12And then all of a sudden, you made it...
12:18real.
12:19You and then, Anna, you made it...
12:23normal.
12:24You think what you've done is normal?
12:27You used me.
12:29I couldn't tell you straight off, could I?
12:32Beg, please just come here.
12:34You wanted to come with me.
12:35I said no.
12:36Tell Anna that.
12:37No, no.
12:38Don't you ever contact me or my family ever again.
12:47Go on, Pa.
12:51Go on.
13:02Remember.
13:04Okay?
13:05It's not my fault.
13:15Will you tell her that?
13:17That he wanted to come with me?
13:38Oh!
13:41No!
13:42No!
14:24I don't understand this.
14:27Why should he?
14:30That's a good question.
14:31I know.
14:33What was the answer?
14:38She's ruined his life.
14:40You can refuse the meeting, Craig.
14:43There's no obligation.
14:46It's in her interest though, isn't it?
14:48Not his.
14:49Actually, this process is all about the victim.
14:53The questions we ask after a crime,
14:55what laws have been broken,
14:57who broke them,
14:59what do they deserve as punishment,
15:00are about the offender?
15:02Whereas restorative justice asks,
15:05who's been hurt?
15:06What do they need?
15:08And whose obligation is it to repair that damage?
15:12I think it's right to focus on your needs, Craig.
15:17This is about what you need to move forward now.
15:20That's all.
15:30What do you need to do to do with you?
15:34What do you need to do with you?
15:37What are you doing to do with you?
15:45I'm not Mooji.
15:46What do you need to do with you?
15:47I know you've got to be a good thing,
15:49who do you need to do with you like?
15:49but I'm not going to be so happy,
15:50because I'm not going to the other person.
15:50and I'm not gonna shake it out.
15:51So long,
16:00I'd have come sooner if I'd known
16:03But the surgery only called me today
16:08Carol said you had some interesting ideas
16:11For redecorating the place
16:20I'm sorry Anna
16:22I've told you before
16:23You don't have to apologise to me
16:26You trusted me
16:28And I got you in trouble
16:35No
16:39William
16:39Tell me you didn't
16:42Not you
16:46I didn't mean to get you in trouble
16:50Is that why you did this to yourself?
16:52He doesn't deserve to be free
16:57I want him to die
16:58I want all the sick bastards to die
17:06This is my fault
17:09What I did was wrong
17:12I'm gonna tell them it was me
17:16I'm gonna confess
17:21He says I am a victim
17:24But I'm not
17:25No
17:26No
17:58It's a happy
17:59Drop it
18:00I'm not
18:00I'm not
18:00I'm not
18:14I'm not
18:14I'm not
18:18I'm not
18:23I'm not
18:23I'm not
18:23I'm not
18:24I'm not
18:24I'm not
18:26Are you sure you don't want me to drag you?
18:28I'll call you straight after.
18:31We're all proud of you, you know.
19:16Welcome. How was the journey?
19:21He's not here yet.
19:26It's important. The circle.
19:29Because we're all connected.
19:31What you do affects me and vice versa.
19:46Welcome.
20:03Thank you both for coming.
20:06I'm Simone. Craig, this is Anna. Anna, this is Craig.
20:12You're both here voluntarily to talk about the offence Anna was recently convicted of.
20:18You'll both get a chance to speak but I'd ask you to be respectful and not to interrupt.
20:24Mobile phones off or on silent please.
20:29Obviously I'll be writing a report the judge will see but can we agree that anything said in this room
20:34will remain private and confidential.
20:40Okay.
20:43Anna, can I ask you to go back to last October and talk about your state of mind leading up
20:50to the offence?
20:52It was.
20:52It was the same as it's been since as long as I can remember.
20:57How much I miss my son and that I can't rest until the identity of the man who killed him
21:04is made public.
21:07A few weeks before Halloween I received information that Eddie J. Turner was living in Port Glasgow under the name
21:17Craig Myers.
21:18I looked his address up online and I saw two schools within a mile of his house.
21:27I felt sick.
21:30I needed to warn people.
21:33So I bought a pay-as-you-go phone, set up an account using false details and I posted his
21:41picture online with his name and address.
21:47I'm not saying I didn't know there would be consequences.
21:49For Craig you mean?
21:52For everyone.
21:54And knowing there would be consequences, can you remember how it felt pressing that button and making the accusation public?
22:04It felt good.
22:06At the time.
22:09Why do you think that was Anna?
22:11I think it was because I was doing something.
22:17And even if I got caught it was still better than being so...
22:24Helpless, I suppose.
22:27Do you remember any other feelings?
22:31You mean guilt?
22:33If you feel any.
22:40The only guilt I felt at the time was about lying to my family.
22:47I regret that.
22:51But the anger was bigger than the guilt.
22:55It always is.
22:56It's bigger than anything.
22:58Are you angry now?
23:00I'm always angry.
23:02It never goes away.
23:04It's hate.
23:06I hate him.
23:07You mean Eddie J. Turner.
23:10Is it him you hate or what he did?
23:13I don't believe you can separate them.
23:18And I know that sometimes the hate can affect my judgments.
23:25But it's who I am now.
23:28I was never the same person after Liam died.
23:32I started to see the bad in people.
23:36Before the good.
23:41And it made me harder.
23:48None of this is any excuse for what I've done to you.
23:53I thought he was you, but I was wrong.
23:57And I'm sorry.
23:58I don't want you to bother you.
24:01Anna.
24:02You said you accept you were wrong for posting the name of the person you believed killed you.
24:07That's not what I'm saying.
24:08I'm saying...
24:10I'm saying I was...
24:12wrong to accuse him.
24:15So if I was him, you wouldn't be sorry?
24:21No.
24:23I wouldn't be sorry.
24:25I can't apologise for trying to get justice for my son.
24:29Not to anyone.
24:31And what exactly did you hope to achieve, Anna?
24:34By doing what you did?
24:37I thought, naively,
24:39that if I made him stand up in court,
24:43it would all come out.
24:46The mask would slip.
24:48He'd have to face what he did.
24:51Face me.
24:54And I would find out why.
25:00The why question is a huge one for anybody who's been affected by crime.
25:05Isn't it, Craig?
25:07Has what Anna shared so far gone any way to answering the why for you?
25:12She still hasn't said where my name came from.
25:15I'm sorry, I can't tell anyone that.
25:17Or whether she sent that guy to my house.
25:19No.
25:21I didn't.
25:22Do you know who he was?
25:25All I can see is I truly wish it hadn't happened.
25:31Craig, when you woke in hospital and found you'd been attacked as a result of this accusation,
25:37how did you feel?
25:40I know about anger.
25:44She's not the only one.
25:46I felt guilty.
25:48In the hospital?
25:50Guilty about what?
25:52That my daughter had to see me like that.
25:56Lying there, bleeding all over the carpet.
25:59That...
26:01That was her home.
26:03The one place she should feel safe.
26:06She thought I was dead.
26:09Six years old and she's defending me to the other kids at school.
26:15Cause it's meant to be me protecting her.
26:18And you feel guilty about that?
26:21And that it was a relief.
26:24In a way...
26:26When they left.
26:30Because at least when they're nowhere near me, I don't have to worry about them so much.
26:43I'd be lying if I said I was sorry for trying to find Turner.
26:49But the last thing I wanted was for more innocent people to get hurt.
26:54I'm so sorry, Craig.
26:56I don't want your apology I said that.
26:59You obviously find it hard to hear.
27:02I think I need a break.
27:04Will you look at me?
27:07Please?
27:08I know it's not enough, but I need you to know.
27:12Don't!
27:13Don't what, Craig?
27:15I need a break!
27:17I'm so sorry for what I've done to you.
27:19Don't!
27:20Craig!
27:21Craig!
27:22Please!
27:23Craig!
27:23Don't!
27:24Will you look at me please?
27:25Stop!
27:26I'm so sorry, Craig.
27:28Please.
27:29I'm not Craig!
27:33I'm Eddie J. Turner!
27:34I've done that!
27:38That's why I'm here!
27:41Because there's no getting away from it.
27:43I'm him, he's me, as he still is!
27:53Anna?
27:56Anna?
28:06Don't go!
28:10Anna!
28:11Anna!
28:35Which way is out?
28:45I'm so sorry.
28:48I'm sorry.
28:49I'm sorry.
28:49I don't know what that is.
28:52I'm sorry.
28:53I'm sorry.
28:56I'm sorry.
28:57I'm sorry.
28:58That's all I'm sorry.
29:02I'm sorry.
29:03Mrs. Christian, leave me a message and I'll get back to you.
29:07Faster, please.
29:08As fast as you can.
29:13I don't know what happened.
29:29Answer, Christian, please answer the call.
29:31This is Christian. Give me a message and I'll get back to you.
29:46Excuse me. Are you Christian? Your wife's on the phone.
30:21I'll get back to you.
30:33Your bell's broke.
30:36Took the batteries out.
30:39We come in peace.
30:51You didn't phone?
30:58Is it your day off?
31:02You said you'd phone. Tell me what was said at the meeting.
31:05Were there any admissions?
31:24Only me.
31:39No!
31:41No!
31:41No!
31:43No!
31:51No!
31:52No!
31:56No!
31:57No!
32:06No!
32:06No!
32:06No!
32:10No!
32:14No!
32:16No!
32:16No!
32:16He's in Lenny.
32:20I don't know.
32:26I should definitely phone them, though.
32:29They'll be wondering.
32:43He must have put this in my bag.
32:45What the hell's he thinking?
32:48Phone Solomon now.
32:57I know Anna.
32:59He's the only one that can tell us what happened.
33:01No.
33:04We should make him do what I just had to do.
33:07Make him tell the truth with no one there to speak for him.
33:12I don't want to know what happened.
33:22So what do you want, Christian?
33:26Because we can't go back, can we?
33:31So what do you want?
33:43What?
33:47Will I do this?
33:58What?
34:01To be part of the world before you saw a young person, right?
34:03What is it?
34:04Hi, man.
34:12What are you doing here?
34:20Should have said you went to see her as well.
34:25Yeah, because I'm worried about you.
34:29You're not entirely reassuring me.
34:32Who's Judith?
34:41She's the woman who's looked after my case since I was released.
34:48I'm a liar, Bex.
34:52I was taught to lie. I was told my life depended on it.
35:09I came close to telling you so many times, but I couldn't risk losing you both.
35:14You looked me in the eye and you said I'm not him!
35:19How could you do that?
35:20Because I'd convinced myself that I wasn't.
35:24You see, I've lied to everybody.
35:26Including me.
35:28You didn't lie to him.
35:30I shared a cell with Tom in jail.
35:32I had to tell somebody, or else I would've...
35:38After I got out, they wanted me to move to England.
35:41I found out he was coming back here and...
35:44I had to be myself with someone.
35:48You could've told me.
35:51Could I?
35:56I'm gonna have to go somewhere and start again, Bex.
36:01I want that to be with you.
36:05No.
36:07Leave me alone.
36:08Leave me alone.
36:09I want you to know who I am.
36:11You and Jess.
36:12Leave me alone!
36:21I love you.
36:34I love you.
36:57Hi.
37:00You know you don't have to talk about it until you're ready.
37:03But...
37:04As soon as you are then...
37:09I'm so lucky to have you.
37:12We all are.
37:32We all are up on the beach.
37:33Ugh.
37:41Guys!
37:42We almost added up to see...
37:46We're back.
37:51In a minute.
38:01Things were pretty可能.
38:17I'm sorry.
38:28I'm sorry.
38:45I'm sorry.
38:53I'm sorry.
38:5510 a.m. tomorrow.
38:57You know where?
39:05come on then i don't want to why not i'm doing this dad
39:13oh they're not going anywhere come on this will be good to keep
39:18okay then right then here we go name
39:32okay what else what you want to be when you grow up
39:37big i want to be big
40:17oh
40:18oh
40:23Oh, my God.
40:54Oh, my God.
41:26I used to come and leave flowers here at first.
41:30Lots of people did.
41:34And then I thought, what the hell are we doing?
41:38Anywhere but here.
41:47Why did you give me your number?
41:53We didn't really finish the meeting.
41:57We didn't really start it, did we?
42:27We didn't really finish the meeting.
42:30All right.
42:59You sure you want to hear this?
43:01Don't use my feelings as an excuse to get out of this.
43:06I know you think I kept it from you,
43:08and I refuse to say anything out of spite, but...
43:12The truth is, I didn't even tell my best friend.
43:15And I'd gotten out a lot sooner than I'd...
43:17You're getting pretty bloody quick as it was.
43:19I'm not supposed to interrupt.
43:20Fuck you!
43:21All I'm saying is I didn't keep quiet to hurt you.
43:25It was for...
43:28It was for safety.
43:36You have to tell me everything right now.
43:41The first thing he said to the last thing he saw.
43:46Everything.
43:57I was staying with this woman my dad knew.
44:01I hadn't been back in a couple of days, but...
44:04No one had bothered, so...
44:07I spent half the day here.
44:11I picked up a piece of glass off a broken bottle and I was just...
44:16Cutting myself.
44:19Couldn't really feel it.
44:23Like I wasn't really here.
44:27I was looking for something to be invisible.
44:31Not for a victim.
44:34I didn't choose Liam.
44:43So you didn't take him from the shops?
44:47I don't know where he came from.
44:50I didn't choose him.
44:56So he could have been anyone?
45:05No.
45:09I saw him walking there and...
45:12He was holding something in his hand like it was treasure.
45:18He stopped there and stared straight at me.
45:22There was a packet of football stickers.
45:27He started walking towards me.
45:29And he could see the blood on my arm.
45:30He should run at me.
45:32But he didn't.
45:36He just stood where you were standing now and said,
45:38Are you alright?
45:42Leave me alone, I said.
45:45I bet he doesn't.
45:50He was so small.
45:55Vulnerable.
46:00Shall I get someone, he says.
46:03And I can feel it.
46:06The anger's starting to build up.
46:11Leave me alone, I say again.
46:14But...
46:15He just moves closer.
46:21I said...
46:23My mum's a nurse.
46:24I can get her.
46:29He said that?
46:32He said you could help me.
46:39He said...
46:47He said...
46:48My mum's a nurse.
46:50She can help you.
46:52She helps anyone.
47:06I stand up, and I've still got the piece of glass in my hand.
47:12I shout at him, and then fuck off, will you?
47:17He doesn't go.
47:20He just looks scared.
47:25He says you won't get into trouble.
47:29I don't understand why he didn't just go.
47:37He's looking right in my eyes, but why didn't he just go?
47:40Why didn't he go?
47:55I've waited so long to see you suffer.
48:06Then what?
48:09Then what, Eddie?
48:12I stabbed him.
48:19Where?
48:22In the neck.
48:27How many times?
48:29Twice.
48:31Three times.
48:35And then he just sat down, surprised.
48:45He tried to say something, but I just kept stabbing.
48:49What was he saying?
48:52I don't know.
48:54Yes, you do.
48:55I don't remember.
48:57What did he say?
49:00Say it!
49:03Say it!
49:04He called for you.
49:08And is that...
49:23I promise Liam I wouldn't cry in front of you.
49:28And let him down again.
49:55Then what did you do?
49:59I didn't know what to do.
50:01I was covered in blood.
50:04So I ran.
50:07What?
50:08I ran.
50:12You left him here.
50:13But as I was running I thought, if I hid him properly then no one will know.
50:18How long for?
50:20He said I tortured him and I didn't.
50:21How long?
50:22I don't know.
50:23Ten minutes.
50:24But when I came back he hadn't moved at all.
50:27He had to be dead.
50:31But you didn't check?
50:39You didn't check?
50:41You didn't check?
50:57There were other injuries.
51:00I had to get it off the path and down the bank.
51:02Him!
51:04I had to get him down the hill but he was dead.
51:12You threw bricks and rubbish all over him.
51:16I was trying to hide it.
51:18Him.
51:19Him.
51:22Him.
51:23Him.
51:24Him.
51:26He was dead.
51:32I promise you.
51:48They told me I'd have to forgive myself.
51:51Heh.
51:53Like it's a decision I can make.
51:58I couldn't do it.
52:06I can't live with this at every minute of every day.
52:12So how do I go on?
52:19I know I can't ever make it right.
52:23I know that straight away.
52:25That it would never go away.
52:28And every time I caught myself smiling,
52:33watching Jess in our school play,
52:36laughing at something on TV,
52:39I'd remember what I did.
52:41And that I've got no right to be happy.
52:46Not even for a minute.
52:53I asked them after the sentencing to speak to you so I could apologize,
52:58but they said it wasn't allowed.
53:00And you wouldn't accept it anyway.
53:04And after a time, I realized how small it is.
53:07Because that word,
53:11it just got smaller
53:14than what I did kept on getting bigger.
53:22There's not much that can really be said in the end,
53:26is there?
53:28that I am Anna.
53:35I am so sorry.
53:42that I am so sorry for me.
53:50I'm Eddie.
53:53There was nothing that you could have done.
53:58I'm the only one that could have stopped it.
53:59But you could have stopped it.
54:00Yes.
54:18And do you.
54:19I can't believe anything that you do.
54:19Because that community has not beenическая.
54:19Very low for the people still live in this time I speak to you.
54:22Thank you very much.
54:29I can't believe everything that,
55:10He wanted to be big.
55:59He wanted to be big.
55:59He wanted to be big.
56:30He wanted to be big.
56:30He wanted to be big.
56:30He wanted to be big.
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