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00:00It was one of the exhibition games in Arizona.
00:01I remember, you know, sitting down the bullpen, watching one of the stars warm up and, you
00:06know, look over and, you know, Kershaw sitting to my left and you got Brian McCann, you know,
00:10to my right.
00:11You know, I grew up, you know, a Braves fan, you know, from the South and watched a lot
00:14of BMAC and just one of those moments where it's like, man, this is cool.
00:19You know, we're getting to play a baseball game.
00:20You're around these guys.
00:22John, we are joined by somebody timely who's on Team USA.
00:26He's also a Met.
00:27He was a Yankee and he's a friend of this show, Clay Holmes.
00:30Absolutely.
00:31Looking forward to having Clay on the show.
00:33I think he was a high school valedictorian.
00:34So very smart guy.
00:35He's dominating for the WBC and he's a big part of that Mets rotation.
00:40Will it be a six man rotation?
00:41We'll ask him about that and more when he joins us.
00:44Looking forward to it.
00:45Yeah, I'm looking forward to it as well, John.
00:47I'm sure we'll also talk Carson Bench trying to make the Mets.
00:51Jason Dominguez trying to make the Yankees.
00:53And Tarek Skubel, if he's sticking with Team USA or not, we'll play hit and error at the
00:57end if you stick with us on the show with Joel Sherman and John Heyman.
01:06John, we have a lot to talk about this week because we're getting closer to the regular
01:10season.
01:11The WBC is in full flower.
01:14Can I ask you one I was thinking specifically about you in the last few days?
01:17We didn't prepare for this.
01:18Is like NFL free agency began yesterday and NFL free agency ended yesterday as we're doing.
01:24It did?
01:27As one of the foremost baseball newsbreakers, do you wish Horace was like that?
01:32You could do it and then you have your rest of your winter off?
01:36Yeah, that certainly would cut down on the work.
01:38I guess it's more interesting in baseball, but yeah, that would cut down a little bit
01:43on the work.
01:43Yeah.
01:43From four months to one day.
01:48I'm sure it was frenzied, though.
01:50I saw that Schefter was complaining that his cell was out when he was on the show or something
01:57like that.
01:58So you better be alert for those 24 hours, I guess.
02:02I don't mind it stretched out.
02:04It gives us stuff to do all winter.
02:05It keeps us out of trouble on the streets.
02:09Anyway, what's major right now, John, is the WBC.
02:14It's caught a lot of people's attention.
02:17There's obviously three kind of super teams in this, right?
02:20The Dominican, Japan, the United States.
02:23Obviously, the dream of the people running this, especially in Major League Baseball,
02:27is that Japan and the United States have a clash again on March 17th in Miami.
02:31You're going to be there for the semis and the finals.
02:36John, how about just an overall thought?
02:37Do you like the World Baseball Classic?
02:39Well, if people are watching, you can see I'm already in Miami, so I'm pretty excited.
02:42I'm already here warming up for it.
02:45I do.
02:45I like it better and better each year.
02:48I think it's getting bigger.
02:49It's getting more interest.
02:50If you watch the teams, the excitement, Dominican is, I mean, that team is off the charts with
02:58the spirit.
02:59And certainly the upstart teams are into it.
03:02Certainly Team Mexico was.
03:03And look, I give them credit.
03:06Lost last night as we do this five to three.
03:09I mean, they have four stars, you know, Major League stars at the top of the lineup.
03:13After that, it kind of drops off, right?
03:16And they're able to hang with Team USA, and they've beaten Team USA the past couple of times.
03:21I mean, they've got guys from the Mexican League, guys in the minor leagues, and they compete.
03:27I'm finding it fun.
03:28I like to see Didi Glorius back playing, hitting a home run.
03:32Philip Oman, who hadn't played in the majors in nearly a decade, playing for a team.
03:37It's certainly interesting to watch kind of the upstart teams and see what they can do.
03:42I mean, Team Israel had a couple moments.
03:45Some of these teams had moments.
03:46Team Nicaragua, who has a great manager, Dusty Baker, not so great.
03:51Neither is Team Brazil.
03:52Still, but hey, they're in there competing.
03:55They're in there trying.
03:56It is a lot of fun, and our team is off the charts.
03:59I mean, you've got a team where Gunnar Henderson and P. Crow Armstrong are on the bench.
04:05I mean, shouldn't we be killing everybody?
04:09I mean, and that includes Japan.
04:10I mean, I was watching the Japan game, and the announcer was telling us that they're the number one team.
04:15I mean, I guess they did win last time I was there when Ohtani struck out Trout, but, I mean,
04:22our team should win, shouldn't they?
04:24Well, single elimination is tricky, as we know.
04:28We watch, you know, like I think, was it last year?
04:32The Pirates went like 5-1 against the Dodgers during the regular season, 6-1, something like that.
04:38Stuff happened short.
04:39We see this in Olympic basketball, where you look at the 12 guys who the Americans bring and go, well,
04:44how would anyone beat them?
04:46But, you know, the games are competitive.
04:48The other teams have, like, spirit, and they've played together a little bit in international tournaments in Europe.
04:54In the case, a lot of these guys play winter ball together that we see.
04:59You know what stands out for me, John, is I hate to be maudlin about it.
05:02I'd like to be optimistic, is this feels like a great tournament after a great World Series and a great
05:08time for baseball as far as a revival.
05:10And we're going to go right back into talking about labor and if there's going to be, you know, a
05:18lockout next offseason and worse than that with games lost.
05:20It feels like the sport is on a winning streak, and to disrupt that with labor talk and ultimately a
05:29lockdown would be kind of destructive to me.
05:32Absolutely.
05:33I think the sport definitely is on a winning streak.
05:36WBC has been fantastic, and we're really just, we just got through the preliminaries, right?
05:40And we expected those teams to win, to win.
05:44And I'm going to throw Venezuela in there as the fourth team.
05:47They're pretty good as well.
05:48And, you know, not that I expect them to win, you know, there are some good Puerto Ricos, not bad.
05:58And they've done very well in the past.
06:00But, I mean, that Team USA is fantastic.
06:02Yeah, I say we don't talk labor on the show.
06:04I'm going to put it at least two months.
06:06No labor talk on the show.
06:08We're going to make a rule right now.
06:09How about no labor till Labor Day?
06:11That's nice.
06:12I hope we can do that.
06:13I'm not foreseeing that happening.
06:16But I'm going to say let's do that.
06:18Memorial Day.
06:19It's very unfortunate.
06:20You know, I mean, I can make a deal with myself right now.
06:23Just get rid of that.
06:24Don't talk about the cap.
06:26And then don't move the free agency.
06:28And don't move the arbitration.
06:30I think things are going pretty well.
06:32I would raise the minimum.
06:33So I do think it is an accomplishment to make the major leagues.
06:37And you should probably be making a million dollars.
06:39You are in basketball, I believe, if you make it.
06:42And I think they should be making a million.
06:44So that's the end of our labor talk now for two months.
06:48All right.
06:48John, you solved it.
06:50I sent you to the Middle East pretty quick.
06:53That's a little more difficult.
06:54That's more difficult.
06:55I wish it was so easy, but I'm not optimistic.
06:58But let's not talk about it anymore.
07:00Now that's the end of it.
07:02Let's talk about another decision that had to be made here.
07:05And that was by arguably the best starting pitcher in the sport, Tarek Skubal.
07:09He pitched Saturday night against Great Britain, gave up a homer on the first pitch he threw,
07:14and then turned into Tarek Skubal.
07:16Three shutout innings from there forward.
07:19The Americans won handily over Jazz Chisholm and Great Britain, 8-1.
07:26And then he kind of had his moment here where he didn't know which way to go, whether to stay
07:34or go.
07:37He's the opening day starter in San Diego on the 26th of March.
07:42It would have been hard to line that up and stay in line and do that.
07:47John, what do you think about the decision he had to make and the decision he ultimately did make
07:51to kind of stay for the game on Monday night, but then rejoin the Tigers and kind of continue forward?
07:58Yeah, I think he saw the big picture and he made the right decision.
08:01He is a Tiger employee.
08:03I don't think you change it in midstream.
08:05That certainly affects the team.
08:08You know, I think he did the right thing.
08:10You know, who was he going to replace?
08:13Let's say it was McLean.
08:15Over the four innings, they're going to throw.
08:16What is he, 0.0, you know, he's slightly better.
08:20You know, at this point, I don't think it's worth the change for our team.
08:24I get it.
08:25You get caught up in it.
08:26I'm glad that we have that spirit.
08:27Maybe not quite the degree of the Dominican, but I'm glad that he had that spirit.
08:32And it affected him.
08:33And he was into it.
08:34And he did well.
08:35But, I mean, you're a free agent.
08:37Not just any free agent, but a guy who's got probably 400, 500 million coming to him.
08:42Look, Peralta, I just saw Peralta in spring training with the Mets, you know, a couple
08:49hundred miles up the road.
08:51He's not there.
08:52No free agent is ever there, I don't think.
08:56A pitcher, he did throw one game.
08:59And good for him that he did that.
09:01But, you know, I mean, Dominican team would be a lot better if Freddy Peralta was their
09:07number one or two starter than what they have now.
09:09And they are, to me, they're the biggest threat to beat the U.S. more than Japan.
09:15Maybe I'm wrong.
09:16But I watched two of the Japan games, and they barely beat Australia.
09:20I know it's only one game.
09:21I barely beat Australia.
09:22They barely beat Korea.
09:24Obviously, they're great.
09:26You're scouting, John.
09:26I'm scouting.
09:27I got up at 5 a.m. to watch these games.
09:30We're old men.
09:31We get up at 5 a.m.
09:32Yeah, I get up anyway at 5 a.m.
09:34So, obviously, they got Yamamoto.
09:36They got Otani.
09:37They got a great team.
09:38But, I mean, we got an all-star team that's on the bench.
09:41So, I mean, how much was it going to impact things?
09:44That extra boost that the number, the best pitcher in baseball versus the 15th best pitcher
09:50in baseball give you over one inning.
09:52I think it would have been selfish how he stayed, really, and knocked somebody off their
09:58appointed, scheduled start.
10:00So, I think he clearly made the right decision.
10:03Yeah, well, we make rules along the way for people who are extremely talented, and this
10:11is the most talented pitcher in the world.
10:12If he would have started the final over Nolan McClain, who I think everyone who listens
10:16to the show know what you and I think very, very highly, that he's a future ace, I think
10:21everyone would have understood that.
10:22And I understand his decision.
10:25He's got, probably has a baseline $400 million coming next offseason.
10:31If he gets through this season, anything like the last two years where he's won the American
10:35League Cy Young both times.
10:38I will say this.
10:39It's not just the money.
10:39It's his career and his life, right?
10:43You have a right to, I want to make that clear.
10:46He has a right to this decision, and it's a decision he had already pre-made.
10:50I'm going to make one start, and you used the right term.
10:52He got caught up in this, and the question was, would he stay or not?
10:56He could have stayed and pitched.
10:58What you would have had to give up is opening day.
11:01He's been the opening day starter the last two years.
11:03If you wanted to do something wholly different than you've never done before, it could have
11:08been lined up, that he would have pitched again in this tournament, and then maybe started
11:12the third game of the season.
11:13It could have been done.
11:14If he wanted to do it, it could have been done.
11:17I understand why he didn't.
11:19He has an obligation, as you say, to his employers.
11:21He has an obligation to his future career.
11:24And this is, again, to your very strong point, not generally what a free agent pitcher will
11:30do in that walk year.
11:33But he could have done it and thrown those four innings.
11:37And I do see the storm coming.
11:39If for some reason they get to the finals and McLean blows up, we are going to have a discussion
11:44about this again.
11:45Right?
11:45Like, well, what would have happened if Scooble was there?
11:50So I think it's going to blow up too much because there's all hands on deck by the time
11:54you get to the final.
11:55Right?
11:56They've got all sorts of great pitchers, starters, and relievers at his disposal.
12:01So I don't foresee that happening with McLean.
12:05But yeah, I guess it's possible.
12:07But he did what he said he was going to do.
12:10It's not like he backed out of the storm.
12:12Again, I want to make clear.
12:13I think he told them what he was going to do.
12:16They accepted it.
12:17This is why.
12:18But it was possible.
12:21The thing he would have given up is the honor of opening day, which he's done a few times.
12:25John, let's flip this over to two guys who are on the outfield bubble for our New York
12:32teams, Carson Benj and Jason Dominguez.
12:36Why don't we start with Benj?
12:38You were just up in Metcamp.
12:40I was there earlier.
12:41I think we'll probably both be there again before the end of the year.
12:44I'm going to be there on opening day.
12:46Are you coming opening day?
12:47I'd like to.
12:48I don't know.
12:49I'm not a good planner.
12:51I got here two days too late.
12:53Two days too early.
12:54I thought the semis were Friday and I guess they're not.
12:59So I'm not a good planner.
13:01So I'm going to have to get back to you on that one.
13:03So the question is, will Benj be in right field?
13:05And to me, this is like a decision.
13:09It's a twofold decision, John.
13:11Let's see if I could set it up and you could hit it out of the puck.
13:14The twofold decision is David Stearns has said one of the things he does want to do every
13:19year is make sure there's a pathway for young players to break through.
13:22Uh, the most obvious position player ready to break through is Carson Benj as the starting
13:28right fielder with Soto moving to left.
13:30He's had a good spring.
13:32He's nine for 23.
13:33He hit a triple the other day.
13:35He could, seems to control at bats.
13:37He seems to run the base as well and field.
13:38He seems like a guy ready to graduate college and go to the pros, uh, uh, go, go to their,
13:45uh, chosen field, uh, downside.
13:48Uh, if you are talking about Taylor, Mauricio, Vientes, and Torrance, it means Tachman can't
13:55make the team unless you decide Mauricio doesn't make the team.
13:59And then you don't kind of have a clear backup shortstop unless you're okay with Bichette flipping
14:03over to be the backup shortstop.
14:06I think the guy has earned it.
14:08I think the GM talked a big game about wanting to open up this kind of thing.
14:13I think if nothing changes in the next two weeks, he should and will make it.
14:17What do you think, John?
14:18Yeah, I'm with you.
14:19I think he makes the team.
14:20Um, uh, I, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't.
14:24Uh, he's basically a four and a half tool player right now.
14:26I think he's going to have that power.
14:28It'd be five tool.
14:29He does everything.
14:29Well, he hits lefties.
14:30He hangs in there.
14:31Uh, I'm with you.
14:33I think they're just not committing yet because there's two weeks to go and you never know
14:36what can happen.
14:36I'm sure they're, I feel like they're leaning that way and they should be.
14:40Uh, I, I see him as a starting right fielder for the New York Mets.
14:44Here's one that factors into it.
14:46Mark Vientos does not have an option.
14:48Uh, he obviously was down a grade from 2024 to 2025 and I, John, I really do ignore spring
14:58numbers at a pretty high level, but he has not hit this spring.
15:02What is the Mets tolerance level at a, to, to keep a guy on the bench who doesn't bring
15:09defense, doesn't bring a base running, uh, unless he hits.
15:13I think that this is a key moment in the world of Vientos.
15:17Like what, what, what, because like, like it's so much easier for their bench to work
15:22if Vientos is there, right?
15:24Like it just makes more sense as a group.
15:26The only reason to be there is to hit.
15:30Is he going to hit?
15:32Yeah.
15:33Uh, well, I, you know, I, I, to me, Vientos was such a star in 2024.
15:37I try to figure out a way to put them on the team.
15:40I get what you're saying.
15:41It's not the perfect fit, uh, well, he has to be on the team.
15:44He's out of options.
15:45They put him on the team.
15:46Well, you can trade him.
15:47Right.
15:47Right.
15:48Uh, yeah, I would give him one more shot with the Mets, uh, you know, rather than figure
15:53out a way to move on from him.
15:55Uh, you know, uh, the guy was such a dynamo in 2024.
16:00That's not so long ago.
16:02Right.
16:03Uh, I'd give him another shot that I don't think that, that last spot on the bench is that
16:07valuable that I would give up that chance.
16:10Yeah, I, I, I think he's obviously, I think he's going to get that chance because trades
16:14are harder to make it this time of year.
16:16And I will say, I have yet to find the executive who has him like, like he is thought better
16:24of, I think by our group of media, this group of fans, and maybe even the Mets than he is
16:29out in the big wide world.
16:31Maybe because that's the big wide world cares so much about defense base running.
16:34And that's really like, it's all about his bat.
16:36Can he hit or not?
16:38Um, Jason Dominguez, John, um, he's also had a good spring.
16:42He's eight for 27.
16:43As we speak to doubles, a Homer, um, I will throw in the bugaboo.
16:49He has nine strikeouts and 27 at bats.
16:52He's one for eight batting right-handed, uh, with three strikeouts.
16:56To me, if he can't hit from the right side, uh, he can't make this team the way it's built.
17:03Uh, they clearly Gritchick, Goldschmidt, and Rosario over the last three to five years have
17:10been three of the best guys hitting left-hand pitching in the sport.
17:14And they have a very left-dominated lineup.
17:18Uh, and if your, your bench probably has to tilt the other way, it does tilt the other
17:23way Dominguez doesn't make sense on that bench.
17:27Um, especially once they signed Gritchick, uh, to, to a deal.
17:32Uh, I think he ends up at AAA.
17:34I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.
17:36Go to AAA, prove you could hit lefties, prove you could defend, and you'll play baseball someplace
17:40this year, Yankees or elsewhere.
17:43What do you think, John?
17:44Yeah, it's hard to believe we're talking about this.
17:45I can remember in spring last year at the beginning, and Aaron Boone was predicting multiple
17:49all-star appearances, uh, for Dominguez.
17:52I, I think that's certainly, uh, within the realm of the possibility, and maybe even likely
17:57still, uh, the guy's an incredible talent.
17:59Uh, I know the fans are disappointed.
18:02I does feel that that's the way it's been heading for, for weeks.
18:05I mean, I made a note of it a couple months ago that he's likely to start in the minors,
18:10and boy, did I get response to that.
18:12Uh, I, I think, and I, I think you disagree with me on this.
18:15I don't think they should have given Grisham the qualifying offer.
18:18Uh, you know, he had that fantastic season.
18:21He had more home runs than any other center fielder, I believe, and, you know, he's obviously
18:25a decent defender.
18:26He was even better than before last year, but, uh, to make him that offer four times what
18:31he made the previous year, um, his defense is sliding a little bit.
18:36I mean, I, you know, I don't want to knock anything because he, he was great last year,
18:39but $22 million is a lot of money for, for Trent Grisham.
18:43Um, so, uh, I think that's where the mistake was made and that's where they were locked
18:48in because they had made Bellinger, uh, their number one priority.
18:52We knew that there was a likelihood they were going to bring him back.
18:55Do you think that Bellinger becomes a much tougher sign if they don't do Grisham and at
19:00least have the idea that Grisham and Dominguez could be out there if there's no Bellinger?
19:04And that, I think that was part of the equation with this.
19:07I would ask that on, on Grisham.
19:09And the other one is if Grisham had that same exact year for the Phillies, the Padres,
19:14somebody else, and the Yankees signed the 35 homer center fielder to a one-year $22 million
19:18contract, would we say, oh, that's a pretty good contract?
19:21Yeah, I just don't, I, I, I didn't think he's a $22 million player.
19:26Uh, he had one year or one year.
19:28No, I didn't think so.
19:29You know, people always say there's no bad one-year deal.
19:31I, I've seen a lot of bad one-year deals.
19:33So, uh, uh, you know, I, I, he's a solid player.
19:37He's a solid defender.
19:38He obviously has got pop.
19:39The, the, uh, the ballpark is right for him.
19:42He had a nice year.
19:43Uh, you know, uh, as it turned out, I don't think anybody got close to, uh, tempting him
19:49to not take that $22 million.
19:51And that's not the proof of it, but, uh, to me, that was where the mistake was.
19:55And they were going to bring back Bellinger, which we all agreed was the right thing to do.
19:59He was fantastic for the team.
20:00He's also great with that ballpark, very versatile.
20:03I mean, he's got a lot going for him, obviously not comparing him to Grisham or Dominguez or
20:07anybody else.
20:07Uh, uh, certainly a big plus to have Bellinger on the team, but, uh, that's where I think
20:13the mistake was made.
20:14But, uh, and once you do that, it doesn't, it feels like a Gritchuk is going to get that
20:18other spot.
20:19Because he does hit lefties, uh, and Dominguez is just going to give, uh, the Yankees the
20:23best, uh, triple-A outfield in baseball with Spencer Jones, who's also killing it in the
20:28minors.
20:29Uh, it is weird that we've come to this point where they wouldn't even consider giving up
20:33Dominguez for even one Soto.
20:35And then he's predicted to have, be a multiple all-star.
20:38And now it looks likely, barring injury, he's going to be in the minor leagues.
20:41It's weird, but I think at this point that that's the logical decision.
20:47Yeah.
20:47I think that's where the logic is going.
20:49John, if you could just, if they both cost the same thing and you could give 500 plate
20:54appearances this year to either Dominguez or Grisham, um, and knowing the, the, the, the
21:01flip side of it is also no Grisham means Bellinger probably has to play center field every day,
21:06which is probably the worst of his four positions, which is to say he's good at it, but it's not
21:11the one that he plays the best.
21:12And maybe you run some kind of more injury stuff with him.
21:16I don't know if he's playing center field.
21:18I don't know.
21:19I'm okay with the Grisham thing because of what it means overall.
21:22But would you rather have Grisham 500 plate appearances in center, uh, and Bellinger
21:28and left or Bellinger and center and 500 plate appearances from Dominguez?
21:33Yeah, I think the likelihood is 500 plate appearance.
21:35Grisham probably outplays, uh, Dominguez, but I do include the salary in that.
21:41I would have taken that 22 million.
21:42As I've said on the show many times and signed Diaz, uh, he, with the deferrals, he's making
21:48slightly, I believe slightly less than 22 million for the year.
21:52Uh, you got Dominguez as your closer, Bednar as your setup man, uh, then it's a team with
21:57really without weakness, right?
21:58Right now.
21:59I think the bullpen is the question more than the outfield.
22:02And, uh, if you're going to give me 22 million to spend, uh, I'm, you know, maybe they're
22:07polite to the Mets.
22:08I don't know.
22:08They never seem to consider it.
22:09I would have gotten DS and, and, and foregone, uh, Grisham.
22:13Um, so like the other thing I would ask you before, uh, before we kind of close this segment
22:17is, uh, you're so much better with numbers and all this than me.
22:21If you were, if you were the house and you had to establish an over under number for plate
22:28appearances in the major leagues this year for Dominguez, what would that be?
22:32Oh boy.
22:34Uh, well, you know, there's always injuries and you've certainly stand in great player
22:38on his way to the hall of fame, but he does get hurt a lot.
22:41So I'm going to say probably 300.
22:44I don't, I don't think that's related to who's good with numbers.
22:47I think that's more about the baseball and, uh, I'm going to defer to you on that.
22:51To my point, John is like, I actually would have made the number lower.
22:55I was, I would have said 200 and a half, you know, uh, but the fact that you're saying
23:00300 means he is going to get opportunity this year.
23:03Right.
23:04Right.
23:04Does he ever fully seize it by being major league average as a right-hand hitter and as
23:11a left fielder so that he could really capitalize on what he does left-handed and what he does
23:17on the base paths, because there are some above average skills he has.
23:21Uh, and he needs to get closer to average at the other things to be that one or two time
23:29all-star that you alluded to that Boone alluded to actually to you.
23:33Uh, but like, he's good.
23:35Like, I think both of us agree.
23:36I'm making it 200.
23:37You're making it 300.
23:38He's going to get opportunity.
23:40The question is, does he seize opportunity?
23:42Yeah.
23:43I mean, I think it'll be 2027 when he does, you know, uh, Grisham's got that one year deal,
23:49as we said, and, uh, barring a trade for Dominguez, which I'm not going to rule out.
23:54Uh, I see it next year.
23:56I do believe he's going to be a very good major league player.
23:59Uh, you know, 300, it's hard to become a star with even 300 at-bats and you, you see that
24:05as a little bit high, which I, you know, you've been with the Yankees a lot more than I have
24:08this spring.
24:09Uh, I'm going to defer on you to you on that one.
24:11Um, so two, 200 to 300 at-bats, I'm not going to, no matter what he does, I'm not going
24:16to count it against them.
24:17I'm, I still think he's going to be a, a very good major league player, uh, barring injury.
24:22It's probably not going to be this year though.
24:24Yeah.
24:25Uh, I'll say this is the first job he has is to make sure when somebody gets called up,
24:29it's him and not Spencer Jones.
24:30That's the other thing.
24:31Spencer Jones is a interesting player.
24:34Uh, you know, he's got a lot of play.
24:37Like you said, he's got some real strengths too.
24:39And he's got, you know, he's got the weaknesses as well.
24:42Should be, it should be something.
24:44And it's obvious that, you know, everyone's thinking, could he be the next Aaron judge?
24:47Well, there's only one Aaron judge, but he still might be a hell of a player.
24:51If you can hit 35 home runs and run like he runs, uh, and he probably the fastest guy on
24:56the team, uh, you know, he, he, his potential, his potential is even higher than Dominguez is
25:02I think, I know he's a couple of years older, but I, I do believe, or a little bit
25:05older, uh, potential is higher.
25:08Sure.
25:08Yeah.
25:09Uh, we talked team USA.
25:11We talked Mets.
25:12We talked to Yankees, a guy who's played on all three of those teams is Clay Holmes.
25:16He joins us next on the show.
25:22It kind of went under the radar a little last year because the Mets struggled so much over
25:27the last few months.
25:28But one of the real success stories was Clay Holmes, uh, transition from late game reliever
25:33to make 31 starts, throw more than 165 innings, have a three, five ERA.
25:39And among other things that, uh, got him on team USA where last Saturday he pitched three
25:44shutout innings, struck out six, including five in a row at one time against great Britain.
25:49And, uh, lastly, we'd like to say he's also a friend of the show.
25:52He's joined us before, uh, Clay, thank you so much for joining us on the show.
25:56And it's always a pleasure to be here with you guys.
25:59Uh, Clay, you know, as the first question, it looks like you're at the best party in the
26:03world right now, uh, you're playing baseball with team USA.
26:06It seems like, uh, like, like it's tell us about it.
26:11It just seems great from a distance to be with all these great players at one time in
26:18one place.
26:18Tell us what, what it's like to be with this group.
26:22I'm glad it's being portrayed that way because it is, it's definitely a dream.
26:26I mean, it is, I mean, all that you would dream up, you know, it's the best players in
26:31the world.
26:32You're on the same team, you know, you're riding the same buses, you're chatting up in
26:36the locker rooms, um, and you're playing for something that matters.
26:40I mean, I think, you know, as a, as a, somebody who loves baseball, I mean, what else is, is
26:45there to want, you know?
26:46And so it's, you know, my first time doing it and man, it's, um, it's been an amazing
26:52experience.
26:52You know, you see, you know, there's, you know, certain, you know, reasons for pitchers might
26:58have to leave this and that, and you know, people aren't wanting to go.
27:01So it's, it's definitely an environment that draws you in, you know, it's more than just
27:05a, you know, showcase game.
27:08You feel that it's like, man, you know, this is a team and this matters and we're with the
27:12best players in the world.
27:13And it's, um, it's been an amazing experience so far.
27:16You mentioned guys not wanting to go.
27:18That seemed to be the case with Tarek Skubal.
27:20So I want to ask you about that.
27:21How did that feel to you?
27:23Were you ultimately surprised?
27:24I was surprised that he was even considering it throwing a second game.
27:28He already threw one as a free agent to be most of the free agent to bees are, we're not
27:33down there at all.
27:34Uh, what was your perspective from where you sit on that?
27:38Yeah, I don't, I don't think he's alone.
27:39You know, there's, there's pitchers, especially, you know, starting pitchers that, um, you
27:46know, like, you know, there were some innings here the first time that we needed and it
27:51kind of, there's also a pull in the other direction is, Hey, there's, um, a season to
27:54get ready for.
27:55Um, you have to get pitches in and I mean, there's definitely a pull that way, you know,
28:00attention that you feel.
28:02And, and so, yeah, I mean, he's, there's guys that you just, you kind of have to get,
28:06you know, ready for the season.
28:07There's things that don't totally align and, um, as bad as you want to do it, you
28:11know, there's other things, um, that you're having to meet too.
28:14And so, yeah, I mean, just, you know, credit for him, you know, wanting to, you know, to
28:20do it and have the desire.
28:21And I mean, you can see that, you know, he wants to be out there, he wants to take the
28:24ball and, um, yeah, you get in this environment.
28:27I think every, every pitcher on the roster, you know, you want to pitch, you want to be out
28:30there as much as possible.
28:31And, um, I think it's fun to see, it's fun to be a part of, and, um, like I said,
28:36it's
28:36tough for anybody to leave this.
28:38John and I do have something in common with you.
28:41We also work with Mark Rosa, uh, at MLB Network.
28:44Uh, and, uh, he, he was clearly whenever I saw him at the network obsessing about this
28:50team, putting together something that not only had great players, but that looked like
28:55a team so that, uh, the U S one after Japan has won the last two, what, what is the
29:01internal
29:01pressure like clay to make sure that that, that happens?
29:04You've obviously assembled a great team.
29:08Yeah.
29:08I mean, I don't know how much, you know, pressure it is.
29:11I think at this point, it's just kind of a natural thing.
29:13You know, the people that are in the room, the players, the people, um, you know, some
29:20players, you know, we know each other from, you know, previous teams or whatnot.
29:23And, um, I think just the history and the guys, the people, the players, I mean, it's
29:29just, I think this has come together, um, you know, tremendously.
29:33And then, like I said, it's, um, it's a dream team, you know, it's, it's the place you want
29:37to be.
29:37It's the baseball you want to play.
29:39And it's been, uh, it's lived up to the hype for sure.
29:42To follow up on that, George Steinbrenner, we said with the Yankees, that it's only a success
29:46if you win it all, you know, I don't know how much you believe that when there are 30 teams,
29:50but looking at that team, and I agree with you, this is a dream team, uh, kind of like
29:54that 92, uh, uh, basketball team.
29:57Uh, I mean, I mean, we've got Gunnar Henderson as a backup player, P. Crowe Armstrong, a backup
30:03player.
30:04Uh, I mean, that rotation, ridiculous.
30:06Uh, I mean, is that fair to this team?
30:09Is that right?
30:10It's, it's only really a success if you win this whole thing.
30:14Um, I mean, that's our expectations, you know, uh, we're in this thing to win it.
30:21Um, it's very obvious and that's what we want.
30:23That's what we're here for.
30:24That's what we're here to, that's what we're showing up for.
30:26And so, yeah, you know, our expectations, what we desire is, you know, we want to win
30:32this thing.
30:33You know, I think that's everybody that's in this tournament.
30:35Um, and the more you play, the more you feel the fans, you see it matters to the fans.
30:40The more you see it, you know, how much it matters, just, you know, that's even more
30:44of a, um, you know, push to win this thing.
30:47You know, I think, uh, we all feel that we all want it.
30:50And like I said, that's what we're here for.
30:53You have a previous experience playing with Aaron judge as a Yankee, uh, where he was a
30:58captain.
30:58He's a captain here.
31:00Uh, take him, but also like, uh, how does leadership form on a team that kind of, uh,
31:05uh, strewn together has two exhibition games and is then told, Hey, go really care and
31:10play.
31:13Yeah, it's, um, it's pretty amazing.
31:16I mean, obviously, you know, judge, he has a great presence about him.
31:19You know, he's tremendous player, but I think the thing that comes across when you first meet
31:24him is like, man, this guy cares, you know, he cares about me, he cares about the game.
31:29He cares about getting better.
31:31Um, and I think no matter what room he is, you feel that.
31:35And I think that, you know, that kind of bleeds out to the rest of the clubhouse.
31:39Um, and so, yeah, to have him as the captain to just have that presence of, of what he
31:44stands for, what he means and what, you know, how he pushes teams and players, um, is the
31:50start of this.
31:51And I think, you know, you see that and, um, yeah, he's just, I mean, he's a leader and
31:56it, it happens, you know, naturally for him and, um, yeah, just like I said, see how this
32:01team's come together so quickly and, um, how much the guys enjoy it and how much they get
32:06the guys enjoy playing with each other.
32:07It's been, been a fun experience.
32:10Tell me about the attitude of some of these guys.
32:12I mean, Will Smith, uh, Gunnar Henderson, Pete Cromson, the three of the best players
32:17in major league baseball, they're, they're backups on this team.
32:19You know, I mean, I know Paul Goldschmidt, new coming in, he's the backup, but, uh, how
32:25are these guys dealing with being a back and Bobby Witt too?
32:28I mean, Bobby Witt is one of the probably three best players in the world.
32:32Uh, how are these guys handling the fact that they don't get to play every day?
32:36Is you, uh, I'm imagining they're not probably throwing temper tantrums in front of everybody,
32:41but what are you seeing from them?
32:45Yeah.
32:45I mean, I haven't even once thought about, you know, you know, playing time, pitching
32:50time.
32:50I mean, people, you just don't really get that vibe.
32:52I mean, people are here to, um, to show up, to be with each other, um, you know, to work.
32:59You were still, you still see everybody working hard.
33:01I mean, it's, um, then when your name's called, I mean, everybody's ready.
33:04And I think, you know, that's the expectation, um, position player wise, pitcher wise.
33:10I mean, it's one of those things where, you know, you know, you know, what's at stake,
33:15you know, it matters and you know what you signed up for and that's, you know, we're
33:18here to win it and we're here to do it together.
33:20And I think you really get that, you know, you get that vibe, which is, um, like I said,
33:26I think one thing that when you talk about this team is, you know, it's, it's, it's cool
33:31to see, you know, that really just winning a game matters.
33:33You know, there's a lot of other things that could go on, but it's like at the end of
33:38the day, if we win, um, everybody's happy and this is what we're here for.
33:41So, I mean, that's the vibe you get.
33:43And, um, you know, especially in talking about playing for, you know, USA and what it stands
33:49for and the, you know, the, the selfless sacrifice that it's taken, um, just for this country.
33:54I think, you know, that also, you know, plays a role and, you know, guys, um, and there's
33:59going to be some sacrifices you have to make, you know, to be on this team.
34:01And I think everybody's more than willing to do that.
34:04You know, you mentioned, but a was a dream team.
34:06Uh, also earlier, you mentioned like, like the bus rides, et cetera.
34:10Can you take us inside a little bit?
34:13Like, does it, will any, I'm sure you will have other memories and have ultimately the
34:17ultimate memory from this coming up, but anything stick with you so far, uh, time with somebody
34:23who you may have not spent with before, uh, what is going on in the bus rides, the clubhouse,
34:29the weight room, uh, group dinners or breakfast, whatever that, that is really going to resonate
34:34with you?
34:37Yeah.
34:37I mean, I think it's everywhere you go, really, you know, it's, um, like you said, you get
34:42on the bus and you just watch, you know, guy after guy, come on.
34:44It's like, man, yeah, this is cool.
34:47You know, this is, this, this bus, it's loaded with stars and we're getting on a bus to go
34:52to the field.
34:52Like we've done many times in our career, but, um, we're doing it with these guys and
34:57we're going to win a baseball game, you know, and it, it just has a special feeling.
35:01A lot of the, you know, mundane things that come with the baseball season.
35:05Um, you appreciate them a little bit more here, you know, with the team and, and that's
35:10because of, you know, who's here, you know, uh, it was one of the exhibition games in Arizona.
35:14I remember, you know, sitting down the bullpen, watching one of the stars warm up and,
35:19um, you know, I look over and, you know, Kershaw sitting to my left and you got Brian McCann,
35:23you know, to my right.
35:24You know, I grew up, you know, Braves fan, you know, from the South and watched a lot
35:28of, uh, of BMAC and just one of those moments where it's like, man, this is cool.
35:32You know, we're getting to play a baseball game.
35:33You're around these guys, um, all great people, you know, easy conversations.
35:39And, um, like I said, it's just, it's a dream come true to be on this team and just to,
35:44to share the locker room with these people.
35:47Uh, you guys are the betting favorite.
35:48We know that now because, uh, you know, uh, 99.9% of the country apparently bets and it's
35:53all over the place, but that Dominican lineup, uh, you know, with your friend Juan Soto and
35:58the rest of them, they look pretty, you have, you guys have something planned to, to get
36:01them out that, that lineup looks like a match for the USA, uh, lineup and team.
36:07Yeah.
36:07It'd be, it'd be a fun matchup.
36:09You know, I think, um, yeah, I'm not sure, you know, when that game would be or when it's
36:13lined up or, um, what that would look like, but they have a good team, you know, uh, you
36:18know, me and Juan would joke about it a little bit before we left and, um, you know, they
36:22know it, you know, we know it, it's going to be a really fun, exciting game.
36:25I think that's, it's what we play this game for, you know, you want to, you know, the
36:28best go up against the best and, um, to all matter and to have, you know, one games, um,
36:35you know, matter so much, you know, in the quarterfinals, semifinals and finals is, um,
36:39um, just a unique, you know, thing for baseball and it's a unique, um, just atmosphere you
36:44play in, um, I think it's, you know, it's, it's really special and, um, it's really easy
36:50to see why, you know, the fans love it, why the players love it.
36:53And, um, yeah, it'd be a big matchup with the DR.
36:57Uh, why don't I use Juan Soto as, uh, my tortured segue to get us to the Mets?
37:02Uh, but, uh, this is year two as a starter, but back to being a starter for you, Clay,
37:08uh, what, what's different this year?
37:10Uh, I assume it's probably a little easier, but take us through, uh, year two of being
37:15a starter.
37:18Yeah, it's been, um, you see, the transition last year was, um, you know, it was a challenge,
37:24you know, I wanted to take on and it was, I felt like it was, you know, pretty rewarding
37:29just to be able to, you know, get that opportunity and kind of take it on and, you know, add
37:33some
37:33pitches and be able to, you know, tinker with things and really kind of expand what I could
37:37do.
37:39Um, and, and obviously, you know, you know, make the starts, you know, and I think that
37:44it put me in a really good spot to build a foundation of kind of to build off of, you
37:48know, and coming this year, I felt like I, you know, ended the year in a great spot, you
37:53know, physically, um, kind of direction I wanted, you know, with pitching and, um, was really
37:58able to build off that.
37:59And I think coming in, um, I can feel it, you know, I think, you know, the ups, you know,
38:05transitioning from a pin, you know, the starter, you can, the more ups you have, you can start
38:09to feel it.
38:10Um, I think it's just, it would be a naturally, a natural thing within the outing.
38:14And, um, you know, the ups have definitely felt, I would say a little bit easier this
38:18time around.
38:19Um, just as the game goes on, you're sitting, you're cooling, getting back up.
38:22And, um, yeah, I think, you know, the changeup was a big addition and be able to, to build
38:29on that, um, just to build on the, you know, the innings I threw last year, um, is really
38:33exciting.
38:34So I'm excited to, um, you know, be in the rotation with these guys we have with the Mets.
38:39I think it's going to be a, uh, a fun group and a very talented group.
38:43And I think, um, we know the work we had to have ahead of us and we're ready to take
38:48it
38:48on, uh, what, what do you think about us?
38:52It looks like to me anyway, that there could be a potential of a six man rotation.
38:55You've got six really guys who are starters, who are, you know, clear worthy of a start.
39:02What, what do you think about it?
39:03Maybe it'd be easier for you as a guy who was a reliever or maybe not, maybe it'd be
39:07less easy.
39:08You guy bitched every day before, uh, how do you feel like, uh, a six man rotation would
39:13affect you?
39:15Yeah.
39:16I mean, that's, you know, what we did last year for a lot of, a lot
39:18of the time, um, yeah, I'm not sure exactly the direction they're wanting to go with
39:23that, but, you know, I think, you know, the thing I take away is, you know, last year
39:28health, um, was a little bit, um, you know, we have some guys missing it, you know, quite
39:33a few times out of the year with the rotation.
39:35And, um, I think health is the name of the game.
39:39If we have, you know, healthy six guys, then it's going to be a really, um, fun group.
39:44And just to see guys are feeling good, throwing the ball well.
39:48It's a huge, um, huge confidence right now and a huge positive sign.
39:51I really think, um, so just to see that, you know, where guys are at, how, how good
39:56they're feeling is, um, very encouraging.
39:58I think it excites all of us.
40:00You know, Clay, a guy who is part of that six man, he's also part of team USA is Nolan
40:06McLean.
40:06Uh, it's hard to be anything less than very enthusiastic and excited off of watching the
40:13starts last year.
40:14Uh, amazingly, uh, he still qualifies as a rookie.
40:18Uh, and, uh, John was mentioning betting odds.
40:21He's the rookie of the year, uh, favorite.
40:22I dare say watching him, he might get some Cy Young award votes this year.
40:26If he stays healthy, what do you see from your, your young starter who might pitch near
40:32the very top of this rotation?
40:35Yeah, he's, I mean, he's got it.
40:37He's got the stuff.
40:38Um, you know, you seem to command, you know, I think he's able to command, you know, two
40:42fastballs and he has a really good feel for spin.
40:44And, um, you know, we can do that and add velocity in there.
40:48It's, um, it's almost like create a pitcher.
40:51You know, he's just, um, I mean, he saw it there.
40:54He was dominant, you know, when he come up last year.
40:56And I think you've seen, you know, nothing short of that pitcher again here in spring
40:59so far, if not, you know, maybe a little bit better.
41:02You know, his, his VLO has been, his VLO has been up there.
41:06Um, he's looked super sharp.
41:07And yeah, like I said, uh, I've said it before, but you know, just the work that he puts in,
41:12um, just the type of, you know, presence he has, um, the maturity he has and, you know,
41:18where, you know, he sees himself, um, you know, it's just, it's been fun to watch just
41:24to see him like come in and, and just be Nolan.
41:27Um, it's a hard thing to do.
41:30It's very, you know, easier said than done, but just to, to trust yourself and be yourself
41:33and on a bigger stage, bigger environment is, um, can be hard sometimes.
41:38And he has that belief to him, which is, um, is fun to see.
41:41And I'm excited to, to watch him grow this year.
41:44I know you've been with a, with a dream team for more than a week now, but, uh, uh, the
41:48Mets obviously made a lot of changes coming off the disappointing finish last year.
41:52Do you have any initial impressions of, uh, Polanco at first base, Bichette at third base
41:57or, uh, Carson Benj, who's creating a lot of excitement in Mets camp where I just was?
42:04Yeah.
42:05You know, when I was there, I mean, they were, everybody was looking great.
42:07Um, you know, face, face them in live VPs, you know, saw them, saw them swing the bat.
42:12And I mean, you know, special, special players.
42:16I mean, they can, they can do a lot, um, dynamic.
42:19Um, yeah, I don't think there's going to be, you know, any challenges, you know, for them
42:24to make the transitions to positions.
42:27Um, obviously all of them can swing the bat, you know, really well.
42:30And so to have those guys in the lineup this year and those additions is, um, it's going
42:34to be huge for us.
42:35Um, I think we all know that, or know the players they are and, uh, you know, what they
42:40can do and just to have them, you know, added in this lineup and be a part of this team,
42:45you know, and, you know, what they bring just in the clubhouse is, um, man, it's just super
42:50exciting.
42:50I think it, you know, it, it fuels everybody.
42:53So it's been fun to watch them and see them up close and, uh, excited to play with them
42:58this year.
42:59You know, Clay, at the beginning of this, we asked you about Scooble, who can be a free
43:03agent at the end of this year.
43:04It's not talked about a lot.
43:06You could be a free agent at the end of this year.
43:07You can actually opt out of your contract, uh, after 2026.
43:11How much is that on your mind and how you could set yourself up, uh, this year, uh, off of,
43:18again, what I thought was an underappreciated strong first year.
43:23Again, I think it got lost a little bit because you can't finish poorly.
43:27Just how durable and, and well, you did this.
43:32Yeah.
43:33Yeah.
43:33You know, we put that opt out in there just to kind of protect, um, you know, the, the
43:37transition, the starting role.
43:39And so it's there, you know, and it's, um, it's something we'll have to evaluate at the
43:44end of the year.
43:45But, um, you know, at the end of the day, you know, I love pitching.
43:50I just want to go out and pitch.
43:51And, um, yeah, like I said, I'm, I'm excited to build off what I did last year.
43:55I feel like I'm in a great position.
43:57Um, you know, just with arsenal, you know, fizzle, you know, where I was at physically.
44:03And so, um, super excited for this year and to see where it goes.
44:07And like I said, um, any of those decisions, we'll have to reevaluate at the end of the
44:11year, but, um, it's going to be a fun year, exciting year.
44:14And I think, uh, we're all ready to get it started at this point.
44:18Well, I'll consider that part of your old job here, Clay.
44:21That was a good close.
44:22Uh, the, uh, uh, we, we do appreciate you.
44:27We know it's a busy time.
44:28We know it's an exciting time.
44:29Clay is joining us from Houston where team USA is.
44:32He jumped in at the last second to join us.
44:35We do consider him a friend of the show and Clay, we hope that all that stuff you just said
44:39that you're healthy and successful.
44:41We hope it happens and we appreciate you joining the show.
44:44Yeah.
44:44Thanks as always guys.
44:45Good chat.
44:46Thanks Clay.
44:47Yeah.
44:48See ya.
44:54John and I, of course, thank Clay Holmes, a frequent guest, uh, joining us again, John
44:58hit or error.
45:00I'm going to give it a hit.
45:01I I've been very, very positive lately.
45:04I don't know.
45:04We have great inflation, or at least I do.
45:06Uh, I, I, I'm going to give it to the Dominican team.
45:09Uh, I just think there's just so much excitement around this team.
45:12I loved it when they made Juan Soto do pushups after he hit a, uh, uh, a fly out to
45:18the warning
45:18track in center field.
45:19Uh, he, he was laughing as soon as he hit it.
45:21He knew it was going to be a fly out to the warning track.
45:24He comes back and they make him do the pushups.
45:26I mean, obviously there's so much better than the teams that they play that they can, I guess,
45:30clown around a little bit or whatever, but I enjoyed it.
45:33Uh, I think they're having fun and I'm having fun watching them.
45:36Yeah.
45:37The enthusiasm is great.
45:38I wish we'd get more of it during the regular season from the major league teams.
45:42Uh, I'm, I'm, you know, I don't think anybody's being shown up.
45:45I think joy is joy.
45:47And if you take someone else's joy as a show up, that's your problem.
45:51Uh, John, I'm going to give an error, uh, to the Atlanta Braves.
45:55Um, they have lost three starting pitchers this spring training.
46:00Um, and they went into it already knowing AJ Smith-Schwarver wasn't going to pitch this
46:06year after Tommy John surgery.
46:07They went in knowing Ronaldo Lopez had a shoulder thing and only made one start last year.
46:12Uh, that, uh, that, um, Chris sale is 37, uh, like, uh, Strider is coming back from far.
46:21Then they lost Waltrip Schwallenbeck.
46:22And recently they just lost Joey Wentz to an ACL.
46:26Uh, John, they're running out of arms.
46:29Uh, the good news in the bad news within the bad news is the jerks in profile was just suspended,
46:35which hurts, I guess, uh, though the fact that they signed Mikey Stremski should probably
46:41help them cover up some of that, but they do get his $15 million back.
46:46And Lucas Giolito is still sitting out there on the market.
46:49Um, maybe that's a sign that the Braves don't like Lucas Giolito, uh, but they have 15 million.
46:55Uh, I'm not sure Patrick Sandoval, for example, is going to make the Red Sox rotation.
46:59Can they make a trade with Boston to get someone like him?
47:02And they, they have somebody, uh, you know, one of the best things, and I hate to say
47:06it like this because I always want guys to stay healthy and the best, it's kind of good
47:09news for the Mets.
47:10The Braves rotation has taken on three huge hits when it was already the most fragile part
47:15of their team.
47:16John, they probably have to do something between now and like opening day, if not by even Memorial
47:22day to just steady that part of the team.
47:25Yeah.
47:26One thing I found interesting about their press release regarding the profile is, uh, second,
47:30uh, drug suspension was, uh, they said they were greatly disappointed, but they left out
47:36surprise last year.
47:37They said they were surprised and really not surprised anymore.
47:40Nobody's surprised.
47:41He's the biggest cheater in sports.
47:43Uh, and certainly in baseball, uh, it's actually probably, you know, I mean, it's obviously
47:48embarrassing, but the 15 million, is he worth 15 million?
47:51I mean, I'd rather have the 15 million, uh, than a guy who obviously cheated to, uh, build
47:56those stats a couple of years ago with the Padres.
47:58I don't get it.
48:00I don't know why they don't get Lucas Giolito.
48:01I don't know why nobody has signed Lucas Giolito.
48:04I thought he was really good last year with Boston.
48:06Yeah.
48:07His final, I heard somebody talk about his, he didn't end well.
48:10I mean, his final couple of months were pretty good overall.
48:12I think, uh, I don't get it.
48:15This is a public company.
48:16We know they make what they will at least admit to publicly of $70 million profit.
48:21Uh, go out and get Lucas Giolito, go out and get somebody that costs some money
48:25somewhere, right?
48:26Uh, I really don't understand what's happening.
48:29Good.
48:29It's a good error by you.
48:30I need to think of more errors.
48:31You're, I like your errors.
48:33Yes.
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48:35It's very good.
48:36Yeah.
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