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00:17Good afternoon. Welcome to Beyond the Headlines. I'm DJ Moises. Are the rules working the way they
00:24should? Are people being served the way they need to be? And what kind of leadership emerges when both
00:32are tested at the same time? Joining us is the Counselor at the center of that moment,
00:38Counselor Mikel Rama. So good afternoon, Counselor Mikel. Welcome back to Beyond the Headlines.
00:47And you might also want to greet your friends.
00:56So now this time, on a more serious note, the conversation is about the controversy surrounding
01:04ACT-IEF. But just for us to do the baselining, just in case some of our viewers have missed
01:13this story, can you tell us the reason why the Council rejected the proposal of ACT-IEF?
01:21Yes, sir, DJ. First of all, I just want to clarify that the Committee book of the Council
01:27is that we're all one in acknowledging the struggles that our students in the mountain
01:33barangays face. It's so hard that they're going to be far away with the financial burden of their families.
01:41It's not a rejection because what was proposed in the Council was the approval for the AMOA with issues on
01:55the accreditation of a certain school.
01:57And then, the main point was that the item for approval was a school that didn't apply for the application.
02:10So the Council couldn't have approved it at all because it's not subject to the application for accreditation.
02:19At the same time, the campuses should apply for accreditation. Like in UC, for example, I think all four campuses
02:26of UC,
02:27Banilad, Maine, other than other campuses, was subject to an application. During that session,
02:35what they wanted for approval was, among other reasons, more particularly that I want to discuss later on,
02:45was that they didn't want to go to the application. But most of all, without dwelling too much on the
02:51technicalities of the application,
02:53it's really the existence of a conflict of interest. Even before we discussed exhaustively with the city legal,
03:05they could not give a categorical answer that it didn't violate the local government code and the Antigraf and Corrupt
03:11Practices Act.
03:12And it's very difficult to approve something that we're here to protect not only the short-term effects for our
03:23scholars, but the long-term.
03:25If you would recall, many years ago, it already happened that the conflict of interest involving the same school was
03:32because of the controversy that the transcript of our students didn't release the transcript of records of our students.
03:39So that's something that we were able to do to talk about. So those are among the reasons.
03:44But the main reason for the non-approval of the item during that session particularly were the deficiencies in the
03:50application.
03:52So, before we go into the deficiency and also the potential conflict of interest,
04:00you said that we won't go on on the technicalities, but I'm curious why you said they were not in
04:08the application.
04:10Yes. What does that mean?
04:11Okay, so that people will be better. Okay.
04:14So we have 24 accredited schools. So among the things that the accredited schools have to comply with is
04:20the site inspection of the buildings just to make sure that the facilities are complete,
04:26the fire exits, the safety, the lab, library, and all those things.
04:36And the checklists that they have to submit.
04:38It's a good thing. There are pictures and everything.
04:42When the proponent of this session, a motion to have the PITOS campus approved,
04:51it doesn't have to be approved.
04:52So it could not have been approved.
04:55It has no correct checklist.
04:57It's a good thing.
04:58So even if you approve something there,
05:00it doesn't have to be approved the PITOS.
05:02It doesn't have to be approved the application.
05:03So you were saying that for that particular day,
05:07it looked like ACTIF PITOS was not even supposed to be part of the discussion,
05:15the school that will be deliberated.
05:17Yes, that's correct.
05:18Okay.
05:19Sige.
05:20Now let's move towards the documents,
05:25although you've mentioned also a bit of that already.
05:28but what were the key missing requirements also
05:34that they were not able to submit?
05:40I flagged.
05:42Biggit is the major documents that they missed,
05:47particularly the certifications from the PRC
05:50because you can apply that.
05:52But the problem was during our executive session,
05:56the scholarship committee said that they approved the accreditation
06:01and they were able to comply with it.
06:03And then we received the entire docket of documents
06:07the day before the approval,
06:09not knowing that the certifications were obtained.
06:13So first, the PRC certification that the courses offered
06:18were above the national passing percentage.
06:20and also certain things about the management of the school
06:25that are certain documents that require certain educational attainment
06:31to the officers.
06:33They didn't comply with the paper.
06:36So first, the document was incomplete.
06:38So hopefully,
06:40they were able to submit their application
06:43to the ADLAWA
06:43knowing that they did complete the document.
06:46But more importantly,
06:49it was not part of the application,
06:51the campus was not part of the application.
06:53It was only on the ADLAWA day.
06:54Yeah, that day,
06:55when they appealed to the PITOS campus,
06:59it was part of the document.
07:01It wasn't mentioned to the PITOS campus.
07:04So we wouldn't have anything to approve.
07:07Now, the other point also is,
07:09you've mentioned about conflict of interest.
07:13What did you mean by conflict of interest?
07:16Yes.
07:16Nuance is now a legal thing.
07:18Because it's already revealed
07:20in the local government code
07:21or in the Antigraphic and Corrupt Practices Act.
07:25Simply meaning that
07:26Naamneg definition
07:28on conflict of interest
07:30under the local government code,
07:31which basically just means that
07:34any circumstance
07:36where a public officer
07:37may not act in the interest
07:39in the city
07:40or the government locality
07:43that they serve.
07:44So that's the basic general definition
07:46of a conflict of interest.
07:48But more importantly,
07:49section 89
07:49of the local government code,
07:52which absolutely prohibits
07:53self-dealing
07:55that's what's called
07:56in 89
07:59prohibited business transactions
08:02or business interest
08:03and transactions,
08:04which prohibits the city
08:06a legal officer
08:08from being a contractor
08:10for the city that he serves.
08:13So you cannot deal with
08:14Mareshig's self-dealing.
08:16You cannot self-deal.
08:17It's actually prohibited
08:19under section 89
08:20in the local government code.
08:21But more importantly,
08:22is when does it become a crime?
08:24It becomes a crime
08:26under this
08:26Anti-Graphic and Corrupt Practices Act,
08:29particularly section 3i,
08:31which prohibits
08:33transactions and acts
08:34that the prohibitions
08:37that even if you are
08:39a member,
08:40even if you don't even vote
08:42in favor,
08:44even if you just participate
08:45by being present,
08:46it's already a crime.
08:48So that's one of the reasons
08:49that we asked.
08:50Actually, we had an entire
08:52executive session
08:53on that
08:54where I was
08:55looking at city legal
08:56that
08:58please
08:59give us a categorical answer
09:01that if we
09:03approve this,
09:05that we are not
09:06at risk of violating
09:08the local government code
09:09and at risk of violating
09:11the Anti-Graphic and Corrupt Practices Act.
09:13And then,
09:14there is no one
09:14that doesn't have
09:16clearance.
09:17So we passed
09:18a resolution
09:19to really ask
09:20the DILG
09:21and the Office
09:22of the Obudsman
09:23for their
09:24feedback
09:25or clearance
09:26aspect.
09:26But most importantly,
09:28I want to emphasize
09:29again,
09:30Sir DJ,
09:31that the law
09:45needs to serve the people,
09:48not the people
09:48serving the law.
09:50But the point of the law,
09:52there is a reason why
09:54human society evolved
09:55for the need,
09:56evolved for the need,
09:56to protect.
09:56to have needs for laws.
09:58It's to protect society.
10:00It's to protect society.
10:00It's a particular
10:01kahigayunan
10:02that the law
10:03is to protect
10:04the students.
10:06It's not the students
10:07in the past
10:08that they enroll
10:10but they protect
10:12them
10:12and they
10:12in the past
10:14that they
10:16make a diploma
10:17and they
10:18make a graduate
10:18and they
10:19make a job
10:20and they
10:22make a
10:23make a
10:23make a
10:24and they
10:25first
10:29that they
10:30emphasize
10:31that
10:32our
10:33following of the law
10:34is actually meant to
10:35protect our students
10:36not just for the short term
10:37for enrollment
10:38but for graduation
10:39until the time
10:40that they seek employment
10:41and
10:42for the long term.
10:44So,
10:44sir DJ.
10:45So,
10:46in
10:47your
10:48evaluation
10:49at least
10:50on the area
10:51of conflict
10:52of interest
10:53and then
10:54compliance
10:55to
10:56anti-graft
10:57and corruption
10:57in this particular
10:59case,
11:00what was the conflict
11:02of interest?
11:04In this particular case,
11:06sir DJ,
11:08the
11:08the entity
11:10that the city
11:11would be dealing with
11:12is owned
11:13by the family
11:14of an official
11:15of the city.
11:17So,
11:18that is actually prohibited
11:19under the local government code
11:20and it is a crime
11:21under the Anti-Graft
11:22and Corrupt Practices Act.
11:24Sige,
11:25I'll just have to clarify it.
11:26So, when we say official,
11:27when I also did my own research,
11:31correct me if I'm wrong,
11:32but you're referring to
11:33Councillor Jose Abelianosa, no?
11:35Yes.
11:35Okay.
11:36And then, my question also is,
11:38and this one is,
11:39I'd just like to ask,
11:40although I also reviewed the documents
11:42during the voting
11:448-7,
11:468 rejected the proposal
11:49and then 7 voted
11:50to approve it,
11:53one of the 7
11:53was
11:54Councillor
11:55Jose Abelianosa,
11:57at least from what I read.
11:58Yes.
11:59I understand that
12:01he had a disclosure
12:04to his business interests
12:07I think earlier
12:08in Sanggunian,
12:09the flagman
12:10on this
12:12committee report
12:13to the Committee on Laws
12:14that necessary
12:15the disclosures
12:16of your business interests.
12:19That's why
12:21it's risky actually
12:22because
12:23for this representation,
12:26you don't have to be sure
12:28that there's no violation.
12:31In fact,
12:33it's a red flag
12:35that there was
12:35a similar transaction
12:38that
12:39the
12:41administrative penalty
12:44that
12:47the
12:49Ombudsman found
12:50probable cause
12:50for it to
12:52go through trial.
12:53And now,
12:54it's only
12:55because of technicalities.
12:57But
12:57that's not
12:59enough
12:59to
13:00clear
13:01this present transaction
13:02now.
13:03So there is still
13:04risk
13:05of violating
13:06the law.
13:07and
13:08it's a
13:09corruption
13:10law.
13:12And
13:13correct me if I'm wrong
13:14because I also
13:15did my research.
13:17It actually states
13:17that
13:18it prohibits
13:19even
13:21after
13:22a certain degree
13:23of, is that fourth?
13:24I think fourth
13:25is consanguinity.
13:27Consanguinity.
13:27Now, in terms of, I just wanted this to be clear, I don't want to put you on the spot,
13:32but I just want also that if this is true, at least the viewers would see it.
13:37Because I'm sure in the list of officials, there would be names.
13:43Yes.
13:43So, as far as the, the, until fourth degree of consanguinity is concerned, without naming names na lang, in the
13:53list of officials, were there violations also of such?
13:57Um, because, uh, when this matter was submitted sa council, nagpada, naman na yung mga attached documents, and among the
14:04documents ka nang, mura syag mga corporate documents, particularly secretary certificate, which indicated nga, ang officers, more than one, ng
14:14president and the CORSEC, kay igsuongyod ni sa among kauban sa konseho.
14:19So, umoto yung usaka red flag, among na flag. Pagpag-abot ka ge-refer, mga guna sa committee on laws,
14:25umoto yung nagpatawag tag-executive session to have the city legal office clarify. And we really ask na city legal
14:32office, can you clear this transaction if, whether there is a risk or not? And then they could not give
14:39a categorical clearance. That's why muna sya nagyapoy apprehension regarding the legality of the transaction.
14:46So, for my education lang, and also for the viewers, even if ma-complete nila ang requirements, just in case,
14:54it appears to me that it will still be flagged because of conflict of interest. Correct me if I'm wrong.
15:02That is it. Wala, nakapangayo naman taog formal request for clearance from the ILGN office on the ombudsman.
15:09Ah, so they will, the one who will decide and give the clearance.
15:13Yes, maka-clear sila. Aw, kuwa na.
15:17But ang ako alam, the risk, Mangud, actually, the risk that we are trying to avoid, Sir DJ, para klaro
15:22lang, nahitabo na, Mangud, sa una, na katong panahon nga naay conflict of interest, nahitabo,
15:28di lika-release ug public funds ang city government niya na na-hostage ang mga transcript of records sa mga
15:36estudyante.
15:38Well, I guarantee now that it might happen, it might not, it will not happen again na what if in
15:44the future it will be flagged again for a conflict of interest.
15:47But, ang kineng mga naka-enroll dito karun, in the next four years, huna-huma na sila kahago sa ilang
15:53pag-eskwila, ma-hold na sa dalilang TOR, marura sila maapiki ba?
15:58So, Mona, it's not just the short term na maka-enroll sila, but mansigurado nga makakuha yun sila sa ilahang
16:05kanang diploma, maka-graduate sila,
16:07na makikita yun nilang bunga sa gihaguan nilang pag-eskwila, na walay, hindi sila maapiki ba?
16:15Mona, ito mong yudana na itong isigurado.
16:18So, what we're saying, correct me if I'm wrong, what we're saying, what you're saying is,
16:23kanang, this is preventive, no?
16:25Yes.
16:25Rather than, the council will let this go, and then eventually, it will still be flagged.
16:32Yes.
16:32And by then, there are already students, no? Who would be left hanging.
16:39Yes.
16:40Sige. Now, on the reverse, sige sa reverse na sad ko, there are also people who would say na,
16:46kanang, why are we putting also the future of those students at risk also, no?
16:56Just because of procedural, non-compliance.
17:04Actually, it's more at risk if we do not start it correctly.
17:10Because, kanang, if we nip it at the bud, it will allow the students to go to, kanang mga,
17:16we have 24 accredited schools with no controversies and compliant sa tanan.
17:22And then, they, sigurado nga, ikahuman silang upat katuig, makakuha gud sila silang diploma,
17:27niya makatrabaho gud sila, kaysa we put them at risk na tuguta na to karun,
17:33makatiwa sila upat katuig, hago, ugspegskwila niya, ikahuman, di sila makakuha gud silang diploma.
17:39So, in that context, because I've also, kanang, read also comments from people,
17:45in that context then, even a conditional approval is not something you would recommend?
17:52It's still risky.
17:54Because, um, it still subjects the students to, kanang,
17:59Mahinayak na sila.
18:01But I also want to emphasize, Sir DJ, na,
18:04nanamagoy narrative na napush that the only way to solve the really valid concern on the way we provide educational
18:13assistance to our students in the mountain barangays
18:15is to enter into a questionable transaction, which is not true.
18:20We have a lot of other legal alternatives that we can pursue.
18:24That's why, during the last, um, pagkatong last session, ihatagtaog ka ng privilege speech,
18:30and we're grateful for our colleagues in the council for supporting our resolution,
18:36na we're having a three-day executive session, May 4, 5, and 6,
18:42na makakita, tanangayot, taog, saktong data regarding yun sa ato ang mga students from the mountain barangays.
18:49And then, the primary purpose of sa ato ang executive session,
18:53nag-ipatawag, kaya para madunggan yun na to from them,
18:56sa mga estudyante sa mountain barangay, na kung unsag yung mga concerns nila sa ilang education,
19:03and how we can find alternative ways to address these problems,
19:08particularly, na how the city government can bridge ang kaning mga concerns sa students with existing national programs,
19:16na may mga existing national programs sa DSWD,
19:20sa CHED that provides para sa, not only for tuition, but also kanang allowance,
19:25and kanang mga dormitory, mangingo na na ba, na may existing national programs sa anak.
19:30And then, we just, we only, the only thing that we need is kanang data verifiable,
19:36na naa nasa ato ang city government.
19:38Pilakabuk, estudyante na naa sa mountain barangay,
19:42ni graduate sa public school sa mountain barangay.
19:44Kanang, na pilakabuk ang nitiwas o senior high from government-funded scholarship grants.
19:52So, muna siya ang tumong sa atong three-day executive session.
19:56So, it's really a data-driven approach.
19:59So, ang ato ang makita na intervention, haumgyud sa panginahang lansa,
20:03ato ang mga estudyante sa Bukirang Barangay.
20:05Now, let's move na po to the other question marks also that were raised, no?
20:15And I'm referring to kanang you pushing for an NBI and multi-agency probe, no?
20:21Regarding the mobilization of a number of students from ACT-IEF during the deliberation.
20:31So, tell us what exactly did you see, no?
20:36During that time.
20:37Yes.
20:38As we spoke before, off the air, Sir DJ,
20:41importanti mo, kanang, when it comes to kanang mga minors ba?
20:48And kanang mga students, mga learners,
20:51that everything that, mga activities that affect them
20:58should always be for their best interest.
21:00Mugin na siya ang universal tenets on kanang how we handle mga minor children.
21:07So, we already, kanang, the council already passed the resolution
21:11to seek evaluation sa mga concerned agencies.
21:16Hopefully, dili na gito mausab ang atong nakitaan nga.
21:19Dili mayo na panghitabo atong.
21:21It was an unfortunate incident na,
21:23na ay kanang inga na ito na nahitabo sa ito mga kabatanunan.
21:30Ano yung mga distressing para nila na matraumatize sila roon sa,
21:35at nananasa ito ang mga kanang evaluating agencies ka ron.
21:40And sige, kanang, for those of our viewers who did not exactly read the papers
21:46and they did not know, what happened?
21:48What did you find out during the session?
21:50Well, ito lang nakita dito nga,
21:55nang utana naman ta nila,
21:57sa wala pa sila na nisaka dito,
22:00na timingan man na naglakaw ko sa Gawas,
22:02sa wala pa ang session,
22:03na abot ang mga duha kabas na mga estudyante,
22:06nang utana ta nila,
22:07sa usap ko,
22:09kanang,
22:09ay, ond siya activity niya di rikaroon siya,
22:11ah, nai scholarship seminar orientation, actually.
22:15So, nahibong ko kayo ko,
22:16na yung scholarship seminar ka ng school,
22:20na wala pa man niya siya na-approve.
22:22So, nahibong lang ko,
22:23basig na alay something or unsa.
22:26Nahibong man ko,
22:27pag-abot na ako dito sa session hall,
22:29naa dito ang mga estudyante.
22:31So, ako ang gi-confirm nila na,
22:33ano na mo din,
22:34yung orientation.
22:35So,
22:37nahitabo na dito,
22:38unsa nahitabo,
22:39and then nahimong distressing sa ilaha,
22:41na na,
22:42kanamura sila na na-expose sa,
22:44ka na ang proceeding na,
22:46di li maayo,
22:47para nila ba?
22:48So,
22:49but that's the reason why we asked for,
22:51the intervention of our evaluating agencies,
22:54to make sure that,
22:56similar incidences,
22:57especially,
22:58in the Sangguniang Panglungsod,
22:59does not happen again.
23:00Especially,
23:01it's under the premise,
23:02it was,
23:03they were told,
23:04at least,
23:05correct me if I'm wrong,
23:05from what I read,
23:06they were told na,
23:07it was an orientation.
23:09Naamagoy rules,
23:10Sir DJ.
23:10But in fact,
23:11it wasn't.
23:12Nairules sa DepEd,
23:13na regarding of campus activities,
23:16that if you bring students outside of your campus,
23:18for an activity,
23:19there needs to be,
23:20kanang konsense mong parents,
23:23and then the parents need to know,
23:24exactly the nature of,
23:26the activity,
23:27and then we're,
23:27we're trying to avoid situations,
23:29where minors are used,
23:31kanang for exploitative,
23:33possible exploitative acts,
23:35ba?
23:36moron na,
23:37na we ask the,
23:39evaluating agencies,
23:40to look into the situation,
23:42just to make sure that,
23:43similar incidences,
23:44to students,
23:45will never happen again.
23:47Now,
23:47the,
23:48the,
23:48the third one,
23:49which is the,
23:49the final one also,
23:51that I'd like to,
23:52hear your thoughts about,
23:53is also,
23:54with the incident,
23:55that happened more recently,
23:56you know,
23:57and this has something to do with,
24:01procedural concerns,
24:02no?
24:02And this transpired,
24:04between you and the vice mayor.
24:06So,
24:06tell us also,
24:08what exactly happened?
24:09Well,
24:09it's unfortunate,
24:10actually,
24:11it's,
24:11that the,
24:13ako aran yung perception,
24:14not to knock on the media,
24:15but,
24:15medyo na,
24:17na blown out of proportion,
24:18gamay,
24:19because,
24:19in my observation,
24:21sa situation,
24:21that was just a collegial,
24:23kanang normal,
24:24collegial,
24:25um,
24:26discussion,
24:28And,
24:28na,
24:28na resolve,
24:29reman sa chapter,
24:30and then,
24:31of course,
24:31we respect,
24:32our vice mayor,
24:33nasa,
24:34tanan niya,
24:34na buhat doli sa city.
24:36So,
24:37para na,
24:38kung maras yung,
24:38na blown out of proportion,
24:39ra ba?
24:40I think,
24:41that was just a normal,
24:43kanang,
24:43discussions,
24:44between colleagues.
24:45Oh,
24:46sa session hall,
24:47and then,
24:47na resolve reman,
24:48after,
24:49afterwards.
24:50Um,
24:51sige na lang,
24:52because,
24:53you mentioned that,
24:54it was resolved,
24:55so,
24:55did you have,
24:57eventually,
24:57a private conversation na lang,
25:00with the vice mayor,
25:01to settle that?
25:02Ah,
25:02yes.
25:03Now that it's ready,
25:04out in the open.
25:05Yeah,
25:05in hindsight,
25:05actually,
25:06um,
25:07I should have,
25:08kanang,
25:08called a recess na lang,
25:10gikoan lang,
25:11tatunako,
25:12kanang,
25:13out of session ba?
25:15nahuman naman.
25:16But,
25:17I think,
25:19kanang,
25:19na resolve reman siya,
25:20and then,
25:21we spoke briefly,
25:22after,
25:23na okay naman siya.
25:24Sige,
25:24I will not push for that,
25:25anymore,
25:26no,
25:26I'll let you go,
25:27no,
25:27in that area.
25:29And then,
25:29now let's go into,
25:31politics na,
25:31and governance,
25:32in general.
25:33Because,
25:33the first time,
25:34you were here,
25:35we,
25:37categorized you,
25:38as,
25:38among the,
25:40new generation,
25:41counselors,
25:41the young,
25:43counselors,
25:43no,
25:44so now,
25:44after,
25:45less than a year,
25:46no?
25:47Yeah,
25:47less than a year.
25:48Almost.
25:48Almost one year,
25:49no.
25:49Almost one year,
25:51kanang,
25:51based on your observation,
25:54in the dynamics,
25:55specifically,
25:56in Cebu City,
25:57do you see,
26:00the conversations,
26:02no,
26:02especially,
26:03policy making,
26:05largely,
26:06issue driven?
26:08Or,
26:08do you still see,
26:10policy discussions,
26:12that are,
26:13personality driven?
26:15You know what,
26:15I think,
26:16kanang,
26:18sa local issues,
26:19I think,
26:20most of the people,
26:21look at the,
26:22the packs,
26:23and the issues,
26:24and especially,
26:25na yung mga yungunani,
26:26na show,
26:26na beyond the headlines,
26:28na makahata,
26:29kahigayunan na to,
26:30na maka,
26:31give context to,
26:33some,
26:34some things,
26:34na kailangan,
26:35ginog nuance,
26:36kanang,
26:36nuanced discussions,
26:38and I think,
26:39Cebu City,
26:40kanang largely,
26:41mas issue driven,
26:42sya kaysa,
26:43personality driven.
26:44Now,
26:45the other one,
26:45also,
26:46related to that,
26:47but,
26:48still,
26:49kanang,
26:50I just wanted also,
26:51I'm just curious also,
26:52on your observation,
26:54as one of the new generation,
26:55counselors,
26:56kanang,
26:57do you think also,
26:58that decisions,
26:59are made,
27:01now,
27:02based on,
27:03principle,
27:04or,
27:05is it still,
27:06so that means,
27:07you can see where my impression is,
27:08is it still,
27:09largely based on,
27:11political alignment?
27:13Based on my experience,
27:14actually,
27:17principle,
27:18principle,
27:18siya,
27:19na,
27:19perception of political alignment,
27:22considering na,
27:24those with the same,
27:25similar principles,
27:26are aligned politically,
27:28so,
27:29I'm sorry,
27:32principle-based,
27:33especially in the council,
27:34it's not,
27:35usually,
27:36kanang,
27:37it's,
27:37it's issue-based,
27:39so,
27:39there are things na,
27:40we don't agree on,
27:42things that,
27:42we agree on,
27:43majority of the things,
27:44we come to a consensus,
27:46the report lang,
27:47yun,
27:47ang kanang,
27:48magkasinabot,
27:49so,
27:49Sige,
27:50now that you said that,
27:51can you cite,
27:52a particular,
27:54and the reason for this,
27:54not to put you on the spot,
27:55my reason for this,
27:57is,
27:58for the viewers,
27:58to have a better,
28:00appreciation of,
28:00that it's no longer,
28:02largely,
28:03personality driven,
28:04or it's no longer,
28:06about,
28:06kanang,
28:07political alignment,
28:08can you,
28:09share,
28:10one,
28:11policy,
28:12in which,
28:14the opposition,
28:16for example,
28:17should we call that opposition,
28:18okay,
28:19the opposition,
28:19for example,
28:20the non-political,
28:21the counselors,
28:22who are not aligned,
28:23to the administration,
28:24actually supported,
28:28Dagan ba ya,
28:29majority actually,
28:30sa session,
28:31is kanang,
28:34we come to a consensus,
28:35on,
28:36on what,
28:37it's like,
28:38seldom good,
28:39ang magka consensus,
28:41so,
28:41majority of the things,
28:42that come,
28:44to the session,
28:44are actually decided,
28:45on,
28:45on consensus,
28:47so,
28:48you're saying,
28:48na kaning sa,
28:49ACTIEF,
28:50this is more of an exception,
28:51yes,
28:52it's more of an exception,
28:53an exception to,
28:55to the usual,
28:56to the normal,
28:57no,
28:58okay,
28:58sige,
28:59so,
29:01are you also,
29:02so,
29:02this means that,
29:03at least from an outsider,
29:05so,
29:06I'm,
29:06I'm just confirming,
29:07no,
29:07so,
29:08we have already,
29:10positively,
29:11evolved,
29:11from the usual,
29:13impression,
29:14about political,
29:15alignments,
29:16and also,
29:17personalities,
29:18no,
29:20yes,
29:20okay,
29:23and then,
29:24last,
29:24don't worry,
29:26canang,
29:29but,
29:30easy,
29:30na,
29:30the last two questions,
29:31as,
29:32as the,
29:33newer voice,
29:34no,
29:34in the council,
29:37what,
29:37but,
29:38you were asked,
29:38about this before,
29:39but,
29:40now,
29:40at least,
29:40you have,
29:40almost a year,
29:41na,
29:42what were the dynamics,
29:43also,
29:44that,
29:44the new generation,
29:45counselors,
29:46like you,
29:48have also,
29:49brought,
29:50into the,
29:52Cebu City Council,
29:53that,
29:54was missing,
29:55in the past,
29:55no,
29:56what,
29:56what,
29:57link,
29:57did you,
29:58do,
29:59no,
29:59or what,
30:00bridge,
30:01what gap,
30:02did you bridge,
30:04ah,
30:04sige,
30:04mga bago,
30:05before I,
30:06before I dive into that,
30:07ah,
30:09sir DJ,
30:09I just want to,
30:10ah,
30:11bring up,
30:11katawatong,
30:12gisturyaan,
30:13before,
30:13Tani Sugudog,
30:14interview,
30:15na,
30:15pasalamat ko,
30:17sa katawang,
30:17usanimong kakailang,
30:20na,
30:20na,
30:21siya,
30:21i-comment,
30:22sa,
30:22social media,
30:23nag,
30:23iakong gitawag,
30:24og gen Z,
30:25so,
30:25mapasalamat,
30:26nanggay ko ato,
30:26ebong kaila,
30:28so,
30:28whoever you are,
30:29salamat,
30:29na,
30:29imawong gitawag,
30:30og gen Z,
30:31ah,
30:32Depend,
30:32Cebu province,
30:33okay,
30:33continue,
30:34sige,
30:34I think,
30:35ang amo ang,
30:36si DJ,
30:37ang kalahian na among gida,
30:39sa mga bagong,
30:40mga tingog din sa,
30:42consiho,
30:42it's a different perspective lang,
30:44siguro,
30:44na,
30:45sa,
30:46kanang,
30:47how we look at,
30:48old problems,
30:50older problems,
30:51but,
30:51with fresher eyes,
30:52na mas haom sa,
30:54kanang present,
30:55situation,
30:56but,
30:56also,
30:57we give importance,
30:58sa mga,
30:58more experience na to,
31:00ng mga kauban sa council,
31:01na maminag,
31:01in Minila,
31:02but maybe,
31:03a fresher perspective na,
31:05imawang sa makita,
31:06if you look at,
31:07discussions during,
31:08council sessions,
31:09na naagay ka ng,
31:11very healthy discussions,
31:12among,
31:13generations,
31:13diha sa council,
31:15and finally,
31:16because,
31:17I can,
31:18this is my,
31:19view,
31:20no,
31:20you still have,
31:22more years,
31:23no,
31:24ahead,
31:24my view,
31:25so,
31:26what kind of,
31:27this is my last question,
31:28I promise,
31:29what kind of politician man,
31:31do you want to become?
31:34someone,
31:36who's,
31:39kanang,
31:39na-fidelity,
31:40sa oath,
31:40of office,
31:42na,
31:44follow the law,
31:45for the benefit,
31:46of the people that,
31:47the constituency,
31:48that voted for us,
31:50ingo na na lang,
31:50na,
31:51I'll do my duty,
31:53and,
31:53ikahuman na na,
31:54na makaingon sila nga,
31:55kung unsay,
31:57husto,
31:58o makiangayon,
31:59mo'y ako nabuhat,
31:59sa akong pisto,
32:01mora na,
32:02sir DJ,
32:03and,
32:03thank you very much,
32:05for,
32:05for joining us today,
32:07natiwas na to,
32:08wala,
32:08wala na patay,
32:0913 minutes,
32:10gusto kong,
32:10one hour,
32:11but thank you very much,
32:13because it's been a good,
32:14conversation,
32:15and we hope to,
32:17have you here again,
32:18salamat kay sir DJ,
32:19and we're grateful also,
32:21for the time,
32:21that you gave us,
32:22so,
32:23behind every vote,
32:24every objection,
32:25every call,
32:26for investigation,
32:27our lives,
32:28waiting on the side,
32:29of those decisions,
32:31and in the end,
32:32it comes down to this,
32:34who did it help,
32:36and did it make things better,
32:38because governance,
32:39is ultimately,
32:40about making it right,
32:41for the people,
32:42it is meant,
32:43to serve,
32:44thank you for joining us today,
32:46I'm DJ Moises,
32:47this is Beyond the Headlines,
32:49have a good afternoon,
33:19and we hope to see,
33:21take care,
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