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00:00Ivan Bacchi, because it seems like an almost international story.
00:07What's going on? There's a man who goes to a club, having fun with his friends and doing...
00:12karaoke,
00:14he leaves the club, he has to go home, we are in Prato and instead he disappears.
00:20His name is Yang Yixian, a Chinese national, I hope I pronounced it correctly.
00:26Ivan Bacchi, what can we say about this man who is somehow made to disappear?
00:35So, we can say that he spent last Saturday night in this very place.
00:41Behind me it is frequented only by the Chinese community, we are on the western outskirts of Prato.
00:46He spent it with a friend and left at 4.20 in the morning.
00:51When he came out, there were two people waiting for him in front.
00:54They identified themselves as officers, they said we are the police, follow us.
01:00At that point he got into the car and the dark-colored car took off.
01:05At that point the person who was with him went home, but was then called by his wife
01:11because her husband, Yann Yixian, did not return home and so they decided together to go to the police
01:18because in reality there is no provision against this man in Italy to date.
01:24While there is a provision in China, but now we will tell you about this together with the lawyer
01:30who came to visit us and to whom we go Federica, because in reality a ransom was asked.
01:38An extremely high ransom and this ransom has been talked about all day.
01:45In reality there has been no denial from the authorities and now we also have confirmation,
01:53because the lawyer went to the family, that the family received this request.
01:58So the family, who do not want to appear, asked the lawyer to be able to, through our cameras,
02:03to send a message to the kidnappers and to the Chinese community as a whole.
02:09Good evening, lawyer, you have been to the family and you can read us, you can tell us what the family wants to say.
02:16to us?
02:17The appeal on behalf of the family is to release Mr. Yang Inxian as soon as possible.
02:24The family trusts in the humanity of the people who are detaining him.
02:30and the invitation in any case is to contact the police,
02:34specifically to the Carabinieri, on behalf of the Chinese community,
02:38to provide all possible information.
02:41I remember that the telephone number of the Carabinieri is 0574 7051,
02:46So anyone who knows anything should contact the Carabinieri in Prato.
02:49Or you can also contact us, if someone prefers to contact us,
02:53send us to 8262 which is our information number, you can do it,
02:56and then we will certainly read about it to you, the Carabinieri, and whoever else is responsible.
03:01Listen, this person was an international wanted man here in Italy, is he no longer one?
03:08So, he was an international wanted man, he is no longer one because in May,
03:14because I defended him in May, Mr. Yang of 2025,
03:18The Turin Court of Appeal held that Mr. Yang should not be handed over to the Chinese authorities.
03:25He was wanted for gambling, so I read in the papers for fraud,
03:31not for fraud, but for gambling.
03:33And there is a pain still present there.
03:38Ivan, I wanted to know something, I don't know if the lawyer wants to answer,
03:41of course if he can't, but this ransom demand,
03:45Apparently this person must be financially stable, right?
03:50Because when a ransom demand comes it comes via a phone call,
03:56Italian people or people of the same nationality as the kidnapped person, in quotation marks?
04:06Good evening, doctor.
04:09The ground is particularly slippery at the moment,
04:12so there was this contact,
04:16but we have an excellent chief prosecutor who is Dr. Luca Tescaroli,
04:20I therefore believe it is appropriate that this remains within the scope of investigative secrecy.
04:27The people who loaded him into the car were identified by a witness
04:33who spoke of two Western people, therefore not two Chinese,
04:37but we probably assume two of them are Italian.
04:40Now, the witness talked about what is called laowai,
04:47that is, foreigner,
04:48because you have to know that for the Chinese all those who are not Chinese are foreigners,
04:54so they identify it as Westerners who spoke Italian.
04:59This could be that they are Italians or it could be that they are Westerners
05:03who speak Italian.
05:05So this is not, let's say, individualizing towards an Italian,
05:11but of a non-Chinese who spoke Italian.
05:14News had emerged in recent days that the ransom demand
05:17had arrived via a phone call to the family,
05:19but do we refer to what you said before?
05:22Yes, I prefer.
05:22However, Ivan, lawyer Veltri,
05:28there was a press release from the Prosecutor's Office,
05:30so in this press release it is said
05:32If anyone has any information, please come forward.
05:37So the chief prosecutor Tescaroli,
05:40as the lawyer said, very careful,
05:43he is a very hard worker.
05:46What I wanted to repeat to our viewers, however,
05:49that this kidnapping, always in quotation marks,
05:53takes place between Saturday 29th and Sunday 30th November,
05:57when he comes out of this karaoke a little dazed.
06:02Then we only have the testimonies of friends
06:06which they say has been uploaded.
06:08But these friends, excuse me Ivan,
06:11then they do it right away, they immediately raise the alarm,
06:14they call the family,
06:15they tell him look,
06:16they tell the wife,
06:17look your husband was loaded and taken away,
06:19they call the police,
06:21they call the police,
06:22are they calling anyone?
06:25No, from what has emerged,
06:27this friend is gone,
06:30I'm probably assuming at his house,
06:32he then received a phone call
06:34from the wife of the missing man,
06:38in which his wife warned him
06:39that her husband had not returned home,
06:41because the husband and they are from another city,
06:44I'm from Empoli,
06:44so 40 kilometers from here,
06:46he hadn't returned
06:47and so they were alerted there,
06:50the gentleman told what happened
06:53and at that moment they went to file the complaint,
06:56is that correct, lawyer?
06:57Well, I only know the second part of the story,
07:00because my friend called me,
07:02I was at a conference in Rome,
07:05he called me saying that,
07:08let's say that this friend of his
07:10it looked like he had been arrested
07:12by the police or the carabinieri,
07:13but which was nowhere to be found,
07:15and so he wanted to go and file a complaint
07:18to the police.
07:20He was accompanied by a colleague of mine
07:23to the police
07:24to report precisely at this point
07:26the kidnapping of Yang.
07:29Do you know this person?
07:30Ivan was right as a lawyer to point out,
07:34because at first,
07:35and in fact the prosecutor Tescaroli is keen to say it,
07:38it was not said that he had been taken by the agents,
07:42but in reality he was not arrested at all,
07:45so they were people who somehow
07:47disguised as agents.
07:49False agents.
07:50False agents.
07:51If by chance you know someone
07:52which was actually wandering around that place
07:55with a car disguised as agents,
07:58consider that it was them instead
08:00to kidnap this person.
08:02And I always repeat it,
08:04if there are cameras around,
08:06but certainly the Prato prosecutor's office
08:08he will have already checked,
08:09everything can be useful.
08:11So, thank you for now,
08:13thanks to lawyer Veltri,
08:14thanks to Ivan Bacchi.
08:15I would show you Lucia's photograph,
08:18who is 16 years old,
08:19and she moved away from Catania,
08:23Wednesday, November 26,
08:24that is, last Wednesday.
08:28So, Valentina Gianna spoke with her family
08:31and they tell us that Lucia is sunny, smiling,
08:34maybe she moved away to savor that freedom
08:37that all young people at his age desire,
08:40but without realizing it
08:42which then leads to dangers.
08:45So, we ask the citizens of Catania and the province
08:48a help,
08:49remembering that of course it is a minor,
08:53that Lucia is only 16 years old,
08:55and she might not even be alone.
08:59See you right away after this short break.
09:29So, excuse me, I think I'm back on air.
09:31I went to see the reports of course
09:34to try to understand
09:36if any reports have arrived about Tatiana.
09:39So, we are now placing ourselves,
09:42we are checking of course,
09:44but none arrived,
09:45and we connect with Sergio,
09:47Liliana Resinovic's brother.
09:49Hi Sergio, good evening.
09:52Good evening Federica.
09:53Sergio, well, I always like to show
09:57how did it all start, right?
09:58When you first came
10:00in our studies,
10:02you showed us the messages
10:04that you sent to your sister,
10:06because this makes you understand
10:07that Liliana's brother, Sergio,
10:10You texted every day, right?
10:12So let's look at these messages together.
10:15Good morning, as Xè, nice weather today,
10:17I'm not receiving any messages,
10:18I will have to protest.
10:20Anyway, he's joking with his sister,
10:22It's 9.30am,
10:23and then at 3.54pm,
10:26in short, almost at 4pm,
10:28it says where you are, right?
10:30And the worry begins.
10:32Right Sergio?
10:33So, you,
10:35from what I can understand from this message,
10:38anyway, you have to
10:40somehow good morning.
10:42Yes, we spoke every day.
10:44and more or less from 9, 9.30
10:48it was everyday life.
10:52And that day he didn't answer me.
10:56I saw the usual grey marks
11:02instead of blue
11:04which was received,
11:06message received but unread.
11:09and I didn't think about it at the time.
11:11And I said, well, something must have happened.
11:14But then I started to worry.
11:18Listen Sergio, so what's going on?
11:20That this story, we said it last time too,
11:22It seems endless, doesn't it?
11:23Because every now and then there's a new twist.
11:26By the way, it was a very tough story.
11:29The family members, that is Sergio, supported
11:31to the Penelope association
11:33with the lawyer Nicodemo Gentile
11:35and they made, exposed, allocated to say
11:39look, she didn't commit suicide, right?
11:41Because this was the path that had been taken.
11:45So everything happened,
11:46there was the exhumation,
11:48in short we saw how he was treated
11:50Liliana's body.
11:51Now the final twist, you know,
11:53it is this man who introduces himself
11:55and says that Liliana had asked
11:58first a bag, then another black bag.
12:00It's a very important thing
12:01why this story
12:03of course it is to your advantage
12:05of whom he married,
12:06and the prosecution had initially supported this thesis,
12:09the suicide thesis.
12:10That is, she takes the bags
12:12and he gets into it.
12:13So let's say this testimony
12:16it is not of little importance,
12:18it is a very important testimony.
12:20But what's happening?
12:21That our Veronica Briganti
12:23he heard both Sebastiano
12:26to whom this gentleman
12:28he goes to give this news,
12:30then to Liliana Resinovic's husband
12:32who is still under investigation for the murder,
12:35he heard both Sebastiano
12:36that this gentleman.
12:38And there's something that doesn't add up
12:40because Sebastiano says
12:41I didn't remember it at the time,
12:44I didn't recognize him.
12:45And this gentleman heard instead
12:47what do you say?
12:48Let's put the two of them.
12:52I personally tell you
12:54I didn't recognize him.
12:57I had known him for years.
12:59because several times
13:00he entrusted me with the knives.
13:04So, actually
13:05this gentleman not only says
13:08which were several years ago
13:08who recognized each other,
13:10but that there had not been only
13:12let's say the pizzeria episode
13:13that they went to eat
13:14in this pizzeria,
13:15but who also sharpened his knives.
13:18An episode that however
13:19we Sebastiano, I must say,
13:21he didn't tell us.
13:22So Sergio,
13:23I would make the service feel good,
13:25the investigation he did
13:25our correspondent
13:26Veronica Briganti
13:27with Anna Maria Stranita
13:28to understand well
13:29what weight can it have
13:31this testimony
13:35in this investigation
13:36which is still ongoing.
13:45Liliana's husband
13:47arrives in the saddle
13:48to his bicycle.
13:49The final twist
13:51in the story
13:52of the death of Liliana Resinovic
13:54he puts it back again
13:55in the center of attention.
13:58Why him?
13:59that after 4 years
14:01a former restaurateur from Trieste
14:03he decided to tell
14:05an event that happened
14:06about two years ago
14:08of his wife's disappearance.
14:09Liliana
14:10he would have asked him
14:11two large black bags
14:13praying to him
14:14to say nothing
14:15to Sebastiano.
14:16Have you seen it anytime?
14:17Liliana maybe tinker around
14:18with these black bags
14:20keep them aside?
14:22Which anyway
14:23each of us
14:23I had
14:24if I'm not mistaken
14:27I don't know if he was still working
14:30I don't remember now
14:31but
14:34we were already there
14:36in the house
14:37of Via Verrocchio
14:39so at home
14:40we had everything
14:42you understand?
14:43The black bags
14:43where did you keep them?
14:44I mean, did you have them at home?
14:46We never had
14:46Oh never had
14:47We black bags
14:48we had those
14:49normal
14:50that are bought
14:51the tear-off ones
14:51the colored ones
14:52So this thing
14:53some black bags
14:54for you it was
14:54a cold shower?
14:55Cold shower
14:56and still now
14:57I'm telling you
14:58I'm shaking
14:59of this
15:00I'm shaking
15:01for that
15:02I ride a bicycle
15:03to download
15:03my tension
15:05But what happened?
15:07A former pizza chef
15:08Alfonso Buonocore
15:10he introduced himself
15:10in Via Verrocchio
15:11at Sebastiano's house
15:12but he
15:13he wouldn't have recognized him
15:15Me personally
15:16I'm telling you
15:17I didn't recognize him
15:20because he asked me
15:21if he remembers him
15:23I told him
15:25Look
15:25I tell you sincerely
15:26I don't know
15:28You recognized Perlino
15:29even if you were dating
15:30their pizzeria
15:31Certain
15:31but how many years
15:33Before
15:33then you know
15:35in a pizzeria
15:37there are so many people
15:39waiters
15:40pizza chefs
15:40that
15:41that other one
15:41the cook
15:41Certain
15:42and then
15:43when he then
15:44he entered inside
15:45your home
15:46you started
15:47to record
15:48why did it come to you
15:49in mind
15:49to record
15:50Sebastian?
15:50Why did he tell me?
15:51one thing
15:52which has a lot for me
15:53hit
15:54that is, he told me
15:55I have to tell you something
15:57of important
15:58of your wife
15:59So this thing
16:00Did it catch your attention?
16:02Certainly
16:02I am myself
16:03on a frightened moment
16:04who knows what
16:05he will tell me
16:06What
16:08maybe terrible
16:09No
16:10you understand
16:11it was something
16:12of negative
16:12Certainly
16:13I thought this
16:14Do you remember meona?
16:15No
16:16I'm some wine
16:18Oh here it is
16:20Yes yes
16:20The waiter
16:21No, they are the pizza chefs
16:23Pizza makers
16:23They are the owners
16:24Yes yes
16:24Ah he's the owner
16:25that we were riding bicycles
16:27No
16:27No
16:27That was Gigi
16:30Me and those there
16:32of the oven
16:33The pizza chef
16:35We have reached
16:37on the phone
16:37the pizza chef
16:38Alfonso Buonocore
16:39which tells us right away
16:40something different
16:41He and Sebastiano
16:43we knew each other
16:44why Bisintin
16:45besides being
16:46a customer
16:47he sharpened the knives
16:48of his pizzeria
16:49It was years
16:50that I knew him
16:51Why
16:51several times
16:53I sharpened my knives
16:54But why then?
16:55he asks her
16:56but who is she?
16:57the waiter
16:59that is, as if he didn't remember
17:01Exactly
17:01that she was the owner
17:03of the pizzeria
17:03The Dolphin
17:04and that even
17:05he entrusted him with the knives
17:06to be sharpened
17:07how is it possible
17:09What do I have to tell you?
17:11come on
17:11What do I have to tell you?
17:13Acquaintances or not
17:14the testimony
17:15of the pizza chef
17:16it all needs to be verified
17:17because if you look closely
17:19there could be
17:20some inconsistencies
17:21I want to tell
17:23a particular
17:23I don't remember the year
17:27I remember there was Covid
17:282019-2020
17:32You understand?
17:33Yes
17:33So your wife
17:34he was in front of the door
17:35in the club
17:37in the club
17:37I'm going out
17:39and I ask you
17:40where is Sebastiano?
17:43She tells me
17:43she went to park
17:44the hospital plate
17:45Then I'm going out
17:48with a lot of finds
17:49those black bags
17:51I'll take you there
17:52in the loot
17:53in the loot
17:54When I come back
17:56and he tells me
17:57sell me a black bag
17:59if you sell me a black bag
18:01I'm going to the warehouse
18:03and I give him this black bag
18:05So according to Buonocore
18:07taking advantage
18:08of Sebastiano's absence
18:09Liliana would have asked him
18:10a black bag
18:11but when exactly?
18:13Let's hear from you again
18:14I don't remember the year
18:16I remember there was covid
18:18in 2019-2020
18:22The former pizza chef says
18:24of not remembering the year well
18:25but he remembers
18:27that there was covid
18:28and here it would be
18:29a first inconsistency
18:30why in 2019
18:32covid in Italy
18:34he hadn't arrived yet
18:35In 2020 instead
18:37Il Delfino pizzeria
18:39it was closed
18:40the activity
18:40had been sold
18:42Alfonso is the safe one
18:43which was 2019
18:44she remembers this
18:45because she says
18:46it's covid time
18:47No?
18:48I never spoke
18:49of covid
18:50you understand?
18:51I have covid
18:52I didn't even mention it
18:54covid
18:54we talked
18:55of 2019
18:57Maybe Buonocore is confused
18:59because unlike
19:00of what he tells
19:01to Sebastiano
19:02he tells us
19:04of never having spoken
19:05of covid
19:06but let's move on
19:07the next day
19:08having been with Sebastiano
19:10and friends
19:11in a pizzeria
19:11Liliana would have returned
19:13once again
19:14from him
19:15to ask
19:16another black bag
19:17then in the morning
19:18come back again
19:20but it doesn't fit inside
19:21he was out
19:22in
19:23but you know
19:25and my name is
19:26I'm going out
19:27I'm telling you what's up Liliana
19:28I feel like I'm still giving
19:29a black bag
19:32I'm going to the warehouse
19:33she's always out
19:34I'm going to the warehouse
19:35and I'm going to get
19:36another black bag
19:38since it was cold
19:39it was November
19:40end of November
19:41I say but
19:42come inside
19:42and I'll make you a coffee
19:44she comes in
19:45I make coffee
19:47and he gives me 50 cents
19:50so Liliana
19:51would have asked
19:52two black bags
19:53at the end of November
19:54and certainly
19:55we're talking about 2019
19:56since in November
19:58of 2020
19:59the pizzeria
20:00it was no longer
20:01of his property
20:02but listen
20:03what he tells us
20:04on the day
20:05in which Liliana
20:06asks for the first black bag
20:08when he goes to the pizzeria
20:09for a dinner for four
20:11with Sebastiano
20:12and the couple of friends
20:13Adriana and Enzo
20:15that evening
20:16this gentleman Enzo
20:18he got dressed
20:20let's say
20:20a red scarf
20:21of Rome
20:22and a red hat
20:24of Rome
20:26as the day before
20:28there was the match
20:29Rome-Naples
20:32and Rome
20:34he won
20:341-0
20:352-1
20:36I don't remember
20:37and the next day
20:39let's say
20:40sins
20:41because I am Neapolitan
20:42he is Roman
20:45we went to check
20:47actually
20:48in November 2019
20:49Roma plays with Napoli
20:51and wins 2-1
20:52but not at the end of November
20:54the match
20:55it took place
20:56November 2nd
20:57and then
20:58on what date
20:59Liliana
21:00it goes from buoncore
21:01to ask for the bags
21:03at the end of November
21:05like the former pizza chef
21:06he tells Sebastiano
21:08or November 2-3
21:10as he tells us
21:11one thing is certain
21:13the pizzeria
21:14The Dolphin
21:14at the end of November 2019
21:16it was closed
21:17and he confirms it to us
21:18also Buonocore
21:19she remembers exactly
21:21when it closed
21:22the pizzeria?
21:25November 26th
21:27November 26th
21:29she closed
21:30of 2019?
21:31Exactly
21:32but also on this point
21:35there is a little yellow
21:36we went to talk
21:38with the new manager of the place
21:39born in place of the Dolphin
21:41we made the contract
21:42of rent
21:43December 2019
21:44and we opened
21:47in July 2020
21:49because since December 2019
21:52to 2020
21:53we did the work
21:54of restructuring
21:55so
21:56in December 2019
21:57had already started
21:59the renovation works
22:01but we discovered
22:02that before this date
22:03there was another passage
22:05Alfonso Buonocore
22:07he had sold the business
22:08to a company in Trieste
22:10that only at a later time
22:11rent the place
22:13to the new managers
22:14and this is the date
22:15of the stipulation
22:16of the rental agreement
22:17December 18, 2019
22:20us in December 2019
22:24we entered here inside here
22:26and she was all cloaked
22:28there wasn't a damn thing
22:29I don't know if
22:30at the end of 2018
22:32at the beginning of 2019
22:34but I remember that the pizzeria
22:36it was already closed
22:37from a good account
22:39this is not a question
22:41of little importance
22:42because it poses a series
22:43of questions
22:44in a story
22:45already complicated
22:46when Liliana
22:47would have asked
22:48the two black bags
22:49Delfino Pizzeria
22:51it had already been closed
22:53and then no more
22:54in the availability
22:55by Alfonso Buonocore
22:56or the former pizza chef
22:58confuses the day
22:59month and year
23:01establish it with certainty
23:03it is essential
23:04because it's clear
23:05that a request
23:06of the genre
23:06from Liliana
23:07would support
23:09the suicide thesis
23:10but it still remains
23:12the most important question
23:14for what reason
23:15Alfonso Buonocore
23:16he told
23:17this episode
23:18only now
23:19after all these years
23:21because then she
23:22he decided
23:23after 4 years
23:24because that's the question
23:25that everyone does a bit
23:26No?
23:27that is why he decided
23:28to speak
23:29and it didn't go
23:30by the investigators
23:31but he's gone
23:31from Sebastiano
23:32then why
23:34I knew Sebastiano
23:35if I knew
23:37maybe Sergio
23:38I went to Sergio's
23:41another delicate point
23:43Buonocore says
23:44that a policeman
23:45he would have advised him
23:46not to tell
23:47nothing of the story
23:48some bags
23:49asked by Liliana
23:50but who is he?
23:51this policeman?
23:52I heard the news
23:54some black bags
23:55I called
23:56to the sea
23:56this policeman
23:59and I say
24:00how to behave
24:01and he
24:02let's say
24:02since I was
24:03further on
24:04over here
24:05he left me
24:06to understand
24:07to let it go
24:09and this
24:10it's the thing
24:11of the carabiniere
24:12Mr. Alfonso
24:13Excuse me
24:14she can't do it
24:14reveal the name
24:15anyway about this
24:16Carabiniere
24:17even if he died
24:18poor thing
24:19let's leave it alone
24:20let's talk about the living
24:22let's leave it alone
24:23those who are no longer there
24:25a testimony
24:26to be explored further
24:27but that
24:28at the moment
24:29it doesn't help
24:30to shed light
24:30on this painful story
24:32on the enigma
24:33of death
24:34by Liliana Resinovic
24:35Look
24:37I tell you
24:38until
24:38until before
24:40of this
24:45I thought
24:46by Liliana
24:48to know her
24:48perfectly
24:49to know
24:50All
24:50by Liliana
24:51Now
24:53after this
24:54I'm starting to think
24:55Perhaps
24:56he hid something from me
24:58maybe there is something
25:00that no one
25:00he knows about us
25:01because she
25:01he didn't speak
25:02with no one
25:10then sure
25:11Sergio
25:11the confusion
25:12it's a lot
25:12No
25:13this man
25:13what does he say?
25:14the carabiniere
25:14he was further over there
25:15that over here
25:16and for this
25:17he told me
25:17to let it go
25:18textual words
25:20it's all
25:22curious
25:23Also
25:23all this
25:24exposure
25:24of parts
25:25he goes
25:26At home
25:27by Sebastiano
25:28at least
25:29how is it
25:30state
25:32exposed
25:32in interviews
25:34ring the bell
25:35Sebastiano goes out
25:37he does it to him
25:37Who are you
25:38as you have shown
25:39and after
25:40he does it to him
25:40You come
25:41in the kitchen
25:43that it's cold
25:44and start recording
25:45he records it
25:46he records it
25:47says it all
25:47All right
25:48and among others
25:50I said that
25:50he knew him
25:52Instead
25:52he does
25:53No
25:54he was sharpening the knives
25:55that was done
25:56and knows
25:58Also
25:58he knows the son
25:59and goes away
26:01the next day
26:03Sebastian
26:04he goes to the police station
26:05he says
26:06the police headquarters
26:07there is no one
26:08on Sunday
26:09and instead of
26:10notify the lawyers
26:12what does he do?
26:13warn
26:14the chronicler
26:16the journalist
26:17of the daily newspaper
26:18local
26:19and she
26:20what does he do?
26:21it's not that he tells him
26:22why don't you warn me?
26:24the police headquarters
26:25put it right away
26:26the news
26:27in the newspaper
26:28practically
26:29he does it to him
26:29the spokesperson
26:30and he
26:31the next day
26:32come back
26:32to do
26:33there
26:34the complaint
26:36at the police station
26:38that not
26:38they don't listen to him
26:39he wants to do it to him
26:40listen
26:41the recording
26:43strange
26:44that he
26:44had
26:45ready
26:46Also
26:46to be recorded
26:47alright
26:48No
26:48And
26:48frankly
26:49I don't believe it
26:51to this one who spoke
26:52this gentleman
26:54in any case
26:55it's really strange
26:57that every time
26:58that the prosecution
27:00or
27:00something
27:02in the investigation
27:02go
27:03in favor
27:04precisely
27:07not on my part
27:09to support
27:10the fact
27:11That
27:11they have them by now
27:12established
27:13was
27:14killed
27:14And
27:15Sebastian
27:17lately
27:17he had asked
27:18through
27:19the lawyers
27:19if they could
27:22to exhume
27:23again
27:23the body
27:24to redo
27:25another one
27:25parity
27:26I don't know why
27:27the Court of Cassation
27:29he denied
27:29this too
27:30tac
27:31Certain
27:32you say
27:33there are many things
27:34that go
27:34in the direction
27:35opposite
27:36and then
27:36I don't want to do it
27:38the defense
27:40of the category
27:41but
27:41I have to say that
27:42the journalist
27:43of the little one
27:43clearly
27:43he published it
27:44as an exclusive
27:45because anyway
27:46it was news
27:47greedy
27:47In short
27:48it's not that
27:50Sergio says
27:51the spokesperson
27:53but anyway
27:53it's news
27:54greedy
27:55listen Sergio
27:55they tell me
27:56as of ontology
27:56even professional
28:00he had to say
28:01Look
28:01must
28:02speak
28:03with the querents
28:04or the prosecutor
28:05directly
28:07Look
28:07I want to tell you
28:08one thing
28:09but
28:09we should have
28:09Mr. Bonocore
28:11right in line
28:12Bonocore
28:13can you hear me?
28:15Ready?
28:15Hello, can you hear me?
28:17All ear
28:18Federica
28:19Listen, Bonocore
28:21here
28:21we asked ourselves
28:22from his testimony
28:24which is a bit
28:25a bit
28:25confused
28:26let's say
28:26among other things
28:27Sebastiano says
28:28that he didn't remember
28:29her
28:29she says
28:30that even
28:31he sharpened them
28:32the knives
28:33but when
28:33he sharpened them for him
28:35Sebastian
28:35these knives
28:36when he was
28:36in a pizzeria
28:37or even after?
28:39Him
28:40he came to pick them up
28:41the knives
28:41and then I took them with me
28:42when he sharpened them
28:43you understand?
28:44So he knows him well
28:45so you knew each other well
28:47it's difficult
28:47but yes I knew him
28:48come on
28:49it's not that
28:49we hide Federica
28:51come on
28:51and why Sebastiano
28:53he says that
28:53does he say eight?
28:54a person arrived
28:55that I didn't know
28:56who he was
28:57and I had to remember
28:59of this pizzeria
29:00Listen to Federica
29:01I don't know what you're saying
29:03I don't know what you're saying
29:05you understand?
29:06So I
29:07in good faith
29:08I went
29:09from Sergio
29:10from Sebastiano
29:12because I knew him
29:14it repeats itself
29:15if I knew Sergio
29:17I went to Sergio's
29:18you understand?
29:19for me
29:19one or the other
29:20I had to take it off
29:22on Sassolino
29:23from the shots
29:24to make you understand
29:25do you understand or not?
29:26Ninth
29:27I understand
29:28but not
29:28we saw
29:30I address you informally
29:31why do you address me informally?
29:32I'll take the liberty of addressing you informally
29:35in Veronica's service
29:36Brigands
29:36it's understood
29:37that there is really
29:37a lot of confusion
29:39on the dates
29:40the pizzeria is closed
29:41but
29:41I want to ask you something
29:45Alfonso
29:45the problem is this
29:46as you say
29:47that there is a policeman
29:48to whom you turned
29:50which was further over there
29:51that over here
29:52and that is no longer there
29:53but
29:53or I'll give you your name again
29:54of this policeman
29:56and no need to take the gun
29:58or I'll give you your name again
29:59of the carabiniere
29:59or but
30:00your statement
30:01it's very smoky