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00:00So the hair was blond, but with time, with water, with everything that the earth contains,
00:15her hair had become wavy and brown.
00:20Listen Ciro, another important thing, this phone call comes from someone who says
00:26Don't tell anyone who saw it, don't tell the investigators, don't tell anyone who saw it,
00:31and in another phone call he says Romina is fainting and her mother confirms.
00:38So as if he was a person who knew Romina well.
00:42Yes, it's true, Romina would collapse when she got very emotional.
00:48He would break down and have those moments that he didn't understand anyway.
00:53Of course, like fainting, and this phone call was never understood.
00:56A swoon-worthy classic, yes.
00:58It was never understood who made this phone call, a person who knew Romina in some way.
01:06No, we never got to the bottom of this situation.
01:10Well, what I have to tell you is that obviously the doubts, it's clear that we also had them,
01:16But what did the family do? Since the investigating judge said that the investigations were done poorly,
01:22He says many things that have been done to you, but he doesn't agree with the exhumation.
01:27Instead the family decides to exhume that body to be sure that the head that seemed to be not his
01:35Romina,
01:36it really was Romina's.
01:37Mom kept saying until the very end that she's not my daughter.
01:41We continue with correspondent Giuseppe Pizzo and Vanessa Rinaldi.
01:47She is undoubtedly not my daughter, because I have only seen photocopies of the photos of these human remains.
01:56So what I saw is that it is not possible for a body to be reduced to that state in 45 days.
02:06It was not possible to identify Romina by looking at her few remains.
02:10The killer abandoned him in a forest full of wild animals.
02:16The mother always refused to believe that she was her daughter, that she was her Romina.
02:25He denied it, he said no, this wasn't Romina.
02:28My sister never went to the cemetery to say that's Romina, no.
02:35I took her to the cemetery to our mother, but not to Romina.
02:42I was the only one who gave us Romina.
02:44Me and my wife, me and my daughter, me and my brother, yes, that's true.
02:52And what did she do when she came to the cemetery? Didn't she go to Romina?
02:54No, when I went to see him, I went to Romina.
02:58But mom, mom?
02:59No, not mom, no.
03:04Grazia didn't even want to attend Romina's funeral.
03:30Perhaps the reason that pushed the mother not to believe that it was Romina's body
03:34is that some remains were never found during the Carabinieri inspection,
03:39perhaps because of the wild animals.
03:43As far as we know, the forest has never been fully inspected.
03:47to search for Romina's other remains.
03:50Yet the family, to dispel any doubts,
03:53had Romina's remains subjected to further DNA analysis.
03:58The answer is clear.
04:00Those remains are Romina's.
04:02My sister decided to do her DNA privately.
04:08And I became interested in this situation.
04:11And we did the DNA privately.
04:15The result? What was the result?
04:17That bone, that DNA was Romina's.
04:23After many years, the uncle decided to tell us
04:28an episode that occurred a few days after the discovery of Romina's body,
04:31when the area was released from seizure.
04:35Ciro wanted to see that place and a policeman accompanied him.
04:39We went there because I wanted to find out where Romina had been found.
04:48And I saw where she was, I said here, at this point Romina was found here.
04:54Then I saw that they had shaved off all the thorns anyway,
04:58they had cleaned that area.
05:00Then I saw a bone on the ground.
05:04I called the policeman.
05:06I said what is that?
05:08Because I don't understand it.
05:09The policeman told me that's a cow bone.
05:13That's a cow bone.
05:15That's what he told me.
05:16That's what he answered me.
05:18Well, I didn't notice it that much.
05:20So, did the policeman leave or did he accompany you?
05:24We all went together with the Carabinieri
05:27and we went to the Barracks again,
05:30in Santa Maria Capometra.
05:32Because I had my car parked there.
05:35Then what happened?
05:37Did she return to the place?
05:38To Cardinello.
05:39Where was that bone on the ground.
05:41So when I got back to the place,
05:44I took that cow bone.
05:47And what did he do with that bone?
05:49How did he take it?
05:50Did he put it in an envelope?
05:51I took it, I put it in an envelope
05:53and I brought it home.
05:55And what happened then?
05:57And this bone was then put into the bar.
06:00I got this news now
06:02and I took it with real dismay.
06:07In the meantime we don't know very well
06:09from the medical-legal report
06:11if objectively there was a lack
06:14of that bone in Romina's body
06:17in the previous medical-legal report.
06:19But if ever Ciro Gallo
06:22had subsequently found
06:23a bone at the crime scene
06:26and this bone had not been taken
06:28from the police, from the coroner,
06:31it would be something really very serious.
06:33It would clearly demonstrate
06:34that the investigations
06:35they were not so exhaustive
06:38as they should be
06:40at a crime scene
06:41so complex.
06:43Uncle Ciro
06:44he also showed the bone to a doctor friend of his.
06:47According to him
06:48that could have been a human bone.
06:50The uncle, gripped by anguish and doubt,
06:53he decided to put it anyway
06:54in Romina's bar.
06:5721 years have passed
06:59from the murder of Romina del Gaudio.
07:01From the finds found in the forest
07:02the investigators succeeded
07:04to extrapolate two male DNAs.
07:06One in black underwear
07:08that for family members
07:09it wasn't Romina's,
07:11the other male DNA
07:12in the back
07:14of the girl's leather jacket.
07:16These two DNAs
07:18have been inserted
07:19in the database
07:20in hope
07:21may this help
07:22the investigators
07:23to identify people
07:24that they left
07:25these traces on finds.
07:28As of today
07:29Romina del Gaudio's murderer
07:31he has no identity.
07:33But we ask ourselves
07:35in this investigation
07:36has everything possible been done?
07:39What we can tell you
07:41is that the GIP
07:42in rejecting
07:43the request for archiving
07:44in 2010
07:44six years after the crime
07:46makes present
07:47that has not been done
07:48no investigation
07:49on travel
07:50of the phone
07:51by Romina del Gaudio
07:52and which is still waiting
07:53to know
07:54how Romina died
07:55that is to say
07:56the dynamics of the event.
07:58Always the investigating judge
08:00points out
08:01that in the analysis
08:01of telephone cells
08:02that hook
08:03both Versa
08:04place of disappearance
08:05both the Carditello forest
08:07place of discovery
08:08the carabinieri
08:09they excluded
08:10by the numbers
08:11to pay attention to
08:11both the phones
08:13registered to companies
08:14that those registered
08:15to non-existent people
08:17writes the investigating judge
08:18which cannot be ruled out
08:20that Romina's murderer
08:21used a user
08:23headed
08:23to a company
08:24or a fictitious name
08:26but we can
08:27add something more
08:28the investigators
08:29when they called
08:30in the barracks
08:31the people
08:31that with their phone
08:33June 4th
08:34they hooked up
08:34the cells of Aversa
08:36and of Carditello
08:37they didn't ask for it
08:38DNA
08:39to compare
08:40with those found
08:41at the crime scene
08:42Therefore
08:42for what reason
08:43summon them?
08:45we succeeded
08:46to track down
08:47one of these people
08:48that the day
08:49of Romina's disappearance
08:50June 4th
08:51he hooked up
08:52both cells
08:53they say that through
08:55the phone
08:55they had tracked down
08:57my phone
08:58on the road
08:59of Santa Maria
08:59that you can see
09:00going back and forth
09:01and then I said
09:03in the end
09:03but what is he talking about?
09:04No
09:04there was a prostitute
09:05she was found dead
09:07this fact here
09:08but this Romina
09:09it's new to me
09:10so close
09:10at the Carditello royal palace
09:12did you pass by?
09:13yes I passed by there
09:13and I still pass by
09:14Still
09:15a little further ahead
09:16there are two or three farms
09:17of hoaxes, right?
09:19of hoaxes yes
09:19and I transport
09:20of live animals
09:21what do I do
09:22so you brought the buffalo
09:23back there too?
09:24I went to load them
09:24I brought them
09:25there in Carditello
09:27Yes
09:27when they say
09:28we see all the people
09:29who were here
09:30when it disappears
09:32the cell is also there
09:33I'll ask for the DNA
09:35because they have a DNA
09:37they have a DNA
09:38on the
09:39on the girl's clothes
09:40on clothes
09:41They didn't even ask you?
09:43No
09:44Surely
09:44this person
09:45it has nothing to do with it
09:46with all this business
09:47but this
09:49it makes us understand
09:50that maybe something
09:51it can still be done
09:52they ask for it
09:53Romina's family
09:54and their lawyer
09:55Marco Spena
09:56I have great respect
09:58for ongoing investigations
09:59and for all those
10:00who work
10:01on this forehead
10:02I can definitely say
10:03that I will honor
10:04the commitment made
10:05and the trust placed in me
10:06from Romina's family
10:07of Joy
10:09we wait
10:10the outcome
10:10of the investigations
10:11and I
10:12and the doctor
10:12Misa Daniello
10:13we will definitely work
10:15with dedication
10:15and attention
10:16so that
10:17finally
10:17may emerge
10:18the truth
10:19faced with a fact
10:20so serious
10:21in front
10:21to the murder
10:22of a woman
10:23barbarically killed
10:24a good 21 and a half years ago
10:26found in a forest
10:28after she left
10:29at home
10:30to go
10:31at work
10:33the girl who left
10:34at home
10:35to go
10:35at work
10:35he only had
10:3619 years old
10:37she was beautiful
10:39full of life
10:41we need to investigate further
10:42to understand
10:43what happened
10:44to Romina
10:45of Joy
10:51then impression
10:52it must be said
10:53investigate further
10:54after 21 years
10:56but you Ciro
10:57the boyfriend
10:58by Romina
10:59did you meet him?
11:00yes yes
11:01I met him
11:02Why
11:03that was the period
11:04that anyway
11:05they were at home
11:06but everyone
11:07he had his own home
11:09this boy
11:11he was coming
11:12he took it
11:13and they went for a walk
11:14then sometimes
11:15this boy
11:16some time
11:17it remained
11:17even at home
11:18of my sister
11:20at lunch
11:21because the strange thing
11:21is that he said
11:22at the time
11:23that he had to wait for her
11:26he had done
11:27go to the brother
11:28the twin
11:29waiting for her
11:30then she didn't show up
11:32because she had disappeared
11:33but the brother
11:34twin
11:35he said
11:36no but it's not true
11:37I didn't have to wait for her
11:38I mean there are many things
11:39which have not been verified
11:41without giving the cross
11:43to no one
11:43but that gentleman
11:44when he tells us
11:45my DNA
11:46they didn't do it to me
11:47then if you had to find
11:48who had been
11:49in Carditello
11:50and also
11:51in Aversa
11:52actually
11:52at that point
11:53since there is a DNA
11:55mysterious
11:55it was good
11:56exclude them
11:57the people
11:58and then
12:00Cyrus
12:01they were found
12:02so many things there
12:03they were found
12:04many things
12:04in that forest
12:05but there are some things
12:07that instead
12:07still missing
12:08I don't ask you
12:09to go and look for
12:10a cell phone
12:11of the keys
12:12but look
12:13Romina's things
12:15even his own
12:16underwear
12:17someone
12:18he took them away
12:19and kept them
12:20with himself
12:21for all these years
12:22Pizzo and Rinaldi
12:27There he is
12:28the forest
12:29in front of the director
12:29of Carditello
12:30they have passed
12:3247 days
12:34from the disappearance
12:34by Romina
12:35a report
12:36and the body
12:37of the girl
12:38is found here
12:3910 kilometers away
12:40away
12:41from Aversa
12:4112 minutes
12:43by car
12:43when the police
12:45they enter the forest
12:46along the path
12:47they find a series
12:48of objects
12:49many of which
12:50belonging
12:51to Romina
12:52is found
12:54a pair of black panties
12:55cut
12:56hanging from the branch
12:57of a tree
12:57not far away
12:59a small bottle
13:00of lubricating liquid
13:03continuing
13:03on the same path
13:05on the ground
13:05there is the card
13:06of a recharge
13:07telephone
13:08inside a bush
13:09there is a jacket
13:10made of cloth
13:11light blue in color
13:12the investigators
13:12then they will ascertain
13:13that this jacket
13:14does not belong
13:15to Romina
13:21then there is a strap
13:23beige veil
13:23red in color
13:25further ahead
13:26a black jacket
13:27of leather
13:28and that of Romina
13:29not far away
13:31a card
13:31in plastic
13:32white
13:33for the entrance
13:34in a swimming pool
13:35of the wall
13:35a location
13:36a few kilometers away
13:37from Aversa
13:38Then
13:39a package
13:40of cigarettes
13:41a package
13:42of tires
13:42to chew
13:43and some sanitary pads
13:44it's the content
13:45of the bag
13:46by Romina
13:46and again
13:47a hair clip
13:49a sock
13:50a coin purse
13:51the bra
13:52by Romina
13:52cut
13:53and with the closure
13:54rear
13:55still tied
14:01Then
14:02there is the little card
14:03of work
14:03by Romina
14:04and a membership card
14:05registered
14:06just to her
14:08not far away
14:10there is what remains
14:11by Romina
14:11and next to it
14:12there are his clothes
14:14a couple
14:15of jeans
14:16a t-shirt
14:17black turtleneck
14:17a couple
14:18of shoes
14:19tennis
14:19regularly
14:20tied up
14:21the murder
14:23probably
14:24it was background
14:24sexual
14:25Romina
14:25had been hit
14:26on the back
14:27he had a cut
14:27very deep
14:29on the back
14:30and then
14:31subsequently
14:32Romina
14:32it was finished
14:33with two shots
14:35of gun
14:36that have been
14:37shot
14:38likely
14:39at a distance
14:40close-up
14:41after the discovery
14:43by Romina
14:43the questions begin
14:45the girl
14:46she was killed
14:47in another place
14:48and then brought
14:48in this forest
14:49or
14:50she was attacked
14:51right here
14:53who could have committed
14:54a right
14:55so atrocious
14:55why bother?
14:57in this way
14:57about a girl
14:5819 years old
14:59there is someone
15:00around
15:01that seizes
15:01the people
15:02and attacks them
15:02in this way
15:03armed with a pistol
15:05Romina
15:06disappears
15:07June 4th
15:08and there is an episode
15:09unsettling
15:10what's happening
15:10the day
15:11Before
15:11of the disappearance
15:12of the girl
15:13on the wall
15:146 kilometers away
15:15from Versa
15:16on the wall
15:17a girl
15:18she is attacked
15:19it comes practically
15:21approached
15:22from a machine
15:23large-displacement
15:25if I go by memory
15:26a jeep
15:27anyway she
15:27describes a machine
15:28very large
15:29and dark
15:30from this machine
15:32two subjects come down
15:33and they seek
15:34practically
15:34to take her by car
15:35the third subject
15:36stay in control
15:38the girl
15:39he starts screaming
15:40and practically
15:41the person
15:43who was waiting for her
15:44that is, the dentist
15:45because she
15:45it was there on the wall
15:46why he had to do it
15:47a dental visit
15:48it goes down
15:49and gives her assistance
15:51and then the girl
15:51he manages to save himself
15:52the girl screams
15:54he wriggles
15:55and manages to free himself
15:56he tells us about it
15:58the dentist himself
15:59who witnesses the scene
16:00I tell you
16:01that a gentleman
16:02well dressed
16:03I'm not saying
16:03that looked like her
16:04but very elegant
16:06with a dress
16:07very elegant
16:08he tugged at her
16:09I don't know
16:10they started talking
16:13and I have to tell the truth
16:14I at first
16:15you know
16:15you don't intervene
16:16I think it's one thing
16:17between engaged couples
16:19between acquaintances
16:21friends
16:21and everything
16:21and then
16:23when you see that the thing
16:24it was getting heavy
16:30I opened the door
16:31and I went out
16:32I came close
16:33I tell you
16:34this is a person
16:35for good
16:36elegant
16:36how dare you
16:38to do this
16:39to face
16:40this girl
16:40I remember
16:41who was well dressed
16:42and everything
16:42and I remember
16:43that next to
16:44if I'm not mistaken
16:45I don't know if they are
16:48the same words
16:49not the same words
16:50I'm remembering
16:51and I'm doing
16:51a bit
16:52with memory
16:52of this thing
16:54yes I remember
16:56That
16:56Yes
16:57in a way
16:58serious
16:59stopped
17:00you know
17:00those people
17:01convinced
17:02decided
17:02he stopped
17:03And
17:04let it go
17:06the girl
17:06and a car
17:07he was on the other side
17:09of the road
17:09southbound
17:10towards Giubiano
17:12And
17:13with
17:14one or two people
17:15I remember
17:16which was a machine
17:17black
17:17a nice car
17:18calmly
17:19don't worry
17:20Not
17:21and he left
17:23who were they
17:25these men
17:25Why
17:26they wanted to bring
17:27the girl goes away
17:28it has something to do with it
17:29this episode
17:30with death
17:31by Romina
17:33Perhaps
17:34it's just
17:34a coincidence
17:35this attempt
17:36of seizure
17:37in person
17:37it happens
17:38on the wall
17:39do you remember it?
17:40the card
17:41found next door
17:41to the body
17:42by Romina
17:42well
17:43that card
17:44it's a swimming pool
17:45which is found
17:46right on the wall
17:47who does it belong to?
17:49this card
17:51they have passed
17:52many years
17:52but we
17:53Anyway
17:54we tried
17:54to speak
17:55with those responsible
17:56of the swimming pool
17:56and in the end
17:57we succeeded
17:58to know
17:59the name
17:59of the person
18:00that he used
18:01that card
18:01and we have it
18:02contacted
18:03on the phone
18:04Romina
18:04of Joy
18:05the girl
18:06found
18:06many years ago
18:07I don't know her
18:09I this girl
18:10I don't know her
18:10they found it there
18:12a card
18:12of a swimming pool
18:13and it seems
18:14that the card
18:14it was just
18:15a card of yours
18:15No
18:19I never got results
18:21of having lost it
18:22never
18:23lost
18:24that card
18:25so you still have it
18:26you never lost it
18:27No
18:28they have passed
18:29more than 20 years
18:30you don't know
18:31where it was found
18:32Romina
18:32in Carditello
18:33near Reggio
18:34ninth
18:35it wasn't really
18:36this girl
18:36I don't know her at all
18:37but you have never been
18:38you've never heard of it
18:40speak
18:40in the swimming pool
18:42and you don't know
18:45this area
18:45nearby
18:46at the palace
18:47of Carditello
18:48No
18:49absolutely never
18:50never
18:50because the strange thing
18:52and anomalous
18:52is that that card
18:53I've never been there
18:54in Carditello
18:55in Aversa instead
18:56you had a job
18:57or something
18:57in Aversa
18:58No
18:58No
18:59you heard
19:01the owner
19:02he answers willingly
19:03to all our questions
19:04but they passed
19:05many years
19:06he tells us he doesn't remember
19:07of having lost
19:08that card
19:09but above all
19:10he says he is not
19:11never been
19:12in the Carditello forest
19:13and that he didn't know
19:14Romina del Gaudio
19:15Certainly
19:16this person
19:17it has nothing to do with it
19:18with the story
19:19but the question remains
19:20how did it end up there
19:22that card
19:22next to the body
19:23of the girl
19:24and then
19:25there are other anomalies
19:27in the woods
19:28is found
19:29a blue jacket
19:30next to other objects
19:31we'll show it to you again
19:33it doesn't belong to Romina
19:34because he was there
19:36someone
19:37he recognizes it
19:40and then
19:41they are missing
19:41many objects
19:42personal
19:43of the girl
19:43the cell phone
19:45the house keys
19:46the documents
19:47the bag
19:48It must also be said
19:50that the carabinieri
19:51they did not consider it useful
19:52to find
19:53some objects
19:54who were present there
19:55on site
19:56at the moment
19:57of the discovery
19:57of the body
19:58because according to them
19:59they had nothing to do with it
20:00with the murder
20:01they were papers
20:03and garbage
20:04not traceable
20:05to the criminal event
20:07and then
20:07not useful
20:08to the investigations
20:10and finally
20:11it must be said
20:12that have not been found
20:14the shells
20:15of the two gunshots
20:16exploded against Romina
20:17and again
20:18who do they belong to?
20:20the black panties
20:21found in the woods
20:22when the police
20:23they show them to the mother
20:24Grace
20:25he doesn't recognize them
20:26they are not my daughter's
20:28he says
20:28the panties
20:30according to relatives
20:31and above all
20:31according to the mother
20:32at the time of the facts
20:33he reported that it had never been
20:35belonged
20:36to Romina
20:37even the size
20:38it didn't match
20:39practically
20:40to the characteristics
20:41Romina's physics
20:43and then
20:44if those black panties
20:46they don't belong to Romina
20:47where did they end up
20:48the ones he wore
20:50that day
20:50Perhaps
20:51the killer
20:52he kept them for himself
20:59Cyrus
20:59how many times
21:00you thought
21:00who is the killer
21:02of my niece
21:02eh
21:06what can I tell you?
21:08of course to Romina
21:09we think so
21:09everyday
21:10everyday
21:13if he comes to my house
21:14find the photos
21:15everywhere
21:17it's always there
21:18that anger
21:19that anger
21:20because it is not
21:20it didn't come out
21:22This
21:22this guy
21:23what he did
21:24who has
21:24which may have hit
21:26Still
21:27because they passed
21:28twenty years
21:29more than twenty years
21:30if he killed once
21:31can still kill
21:32such a person
21:33Certainly
21:34if this is a maniac
21:35it's normal
21:35what he did to Romina
21:38he can do it to anyone
21:40also because
21:41that girl
21:42the day before
21:43had the chance
21:45to scream
21:46and so
21:47the people
21:48they went to help
21:49but if Romina
21:51the next day
21:53she found herself
21:54in an area
21:54a little bit
21:55more
21:55deserted
21:56more isolated
21:57and then
21:58whoever sees
21:59that these people
22:00they were able to
22:01to joust
22:02in their own way
22:03listen Ciro
22:04I always say it
22:06put a hand on it
22:07on the conscience
22:08why someone
22:09he knows something
22:10Also
22:11a parent
22:12someone
22:13some friends
22:14someone
22:15he may have understood
22:16a confidence
22:18anything
22:19to give justice
22:21to this girl
22:2119 years old
22:23Cyrus
22:23thank you for being
22:24been with us
22:25Thank you
22:26thank you very much
22:27and we will continue
22:28to follow
22:29this story
22:30me now
22:31I'm connecting
22:32with ours
22:32Raffaella Grigi
22:33for the disappearance
22:34by Tatiana
22:35we told you about it
22:36so much in the opening
22:37and unfortunately
22:38we are still here
22:39to tell you about it
22:41disappearance
22:42the 24th
22:43a Monday
22:44here they are
22:45I'm still
22:46in their home
22:48listen to Raffaella Grigi
22:50before giving you
22:51the word
22:51I wanted to thank
22:53our viewers
22:54why are they looking for
22:55also through
22:56suggestions
22:57but there is
22:57a lady
22:58what is called
22:58Monica
22:58you did it
22:59see this bag
23:00to them
23:01they sent us
23:04this photograph
23:06of a bag
23:06in a field
23:08there in Nardò
23:09from Nardò
23:09the girl disappears
23:11but this bag
23:12the family members
23:13they didn't recognize her
23:15but we want
23:15thank you anyway
23:16our viewer
23:19Monica
23:20Raffaella Grigi
23:21the line is yours
23:22so this bag
23:22it's not his
23:23and unfortunately
23:26we are still here
23:29it's not his
23:31Why
23:31that of
23:32Tatiana
23:33it's a backpack
23:34leather
23:35Right?
23:36yes yes
23:37it's not really
23:40a backpack
23:41Yes
23:41it's like
23:43a lot
23:46let's say
23:46in the shape of a sack
23:47in the shape of a sack
23:48Here you are
23:49inside the tricks
23:50probably
23:50In short
23:51Anyway
23:52it wasn't that one
23:53sent by the viewer
23:55brown color
23:57brown
23:58brown
23:59meanwhile
23:59thanks to Rino
24:01and to Ornella
24:02That
24:02they also made pizzas
24:04which is no small thing
24:05given the state of mind
24:07so worried
24:09no Rino?
24:10we tried to do
24:12of our best
24:13hold
24:13here
24:14the journalists
24:16so that it is
24:17a wish to find
24:19Tatiana
24:19but of course
24:20that was it
24:21you are so sweet
24:22listen Raffaella
24:24I wanted to make you feel
24:25to parents
24:26to parents
24:28also naturally
24:29to brother and cousins
24:31a part
24:32of this boy
24:34to which they have
24:36seized
24:36the cell phone
24:38in which
24:39he speaks to us directly
24:40this evening
24:41of the disappearance
24:42because he is the last person
24:43that tells us
24:44of having seen
24:44Tatiana
24:45It's Monday night
24:47and tells us
24:49even of an episode
24:50that is, they had
24:50a small one
24:51disagreement
24:52because she wanted to go
24:53in Brescia
24:54to find
24:55the ex-boyfriend
24:56he says
24:57some friends
24:58but they had
24:58a small one
24:59disagreement
25:00that very evening
25:01let's hear it together
25:03we had
25:04a
25:06let's call her
25:06mini discussion
25:08and then
25:09you broke up
25:11as
25:11here
25:12we don't have
25:16we talked about it
25:17and here we are
25:19we have arrived
25:21to one
25:21you said goodbye
25:23Yes
25:23that
25:24No
25:24we left off on good terms
25:26in the sense
25:27When
25:27before she went
25:28we said goodbye
25:31there wasn't
25:32voltage
25:33Here you are
25:33let's say
25:34let's say so
25:37where did she say
25:38that was going
25:38he didn't tell me
25:39where he was going
25:40he didn't tell you
25:40he said
25:41he told me
25:42On the contrary
25:42I have to go
25:44and what did you think
25:45then when you found out
25:47that she was no longer there
25:48who were looking for her
25:50And
25:51first thing
25:53at the start
25:54for the fact
25:55that it didn't suit me
25:57writing
25:57that we were not there
25:58seeing
25:59Anyway
26:00I hadn't
26:01alarmed more than a little
26:02as
26:05it happened
26:06That
26:06no yes
26:07it made you feel
26:10At that time
26:11the problem
26:11which he already had
26:12got some tickets
26:13to go to Brescia
26:14our viewers
26:15they ask us
26:16but those tickets
26:17they stayed at home
26:21Yes
26:22At that time
26:24Federica
26:26Please
26:26Please
26:27Raffaella
26:27we don't hear
26:28we didn't hear anymore
26:30here no
26:30meanwhile here
26:31there is also
26:32Erino's nephew
26:33who is Lorenzo
26:34which probably
26:35it's the penultimate one
26:36having seen Tatiana
26:38why exactly
26:38in a bar near the park
26:40at aperitif time
26:42you saw it
26:42he was smiling
26:44he had made a video call
26:46with someone
26:47and he was happy
26:48to say
26:49which would have reached
26:50Mino
26:51Here you are
26:52the ex-boyfriend
26:53in Brescia
26:55Therefore
26:55yes yes yes
26:56Exactly
26:56we're practically there
26:58met
26:59near the
27:00at the parkuravo
27:03simply
27:03I was telling him
27:05that I should have
27:06leave for Budapest
27:07this week
27:08and she told me
27:10that instead on Thursday
27:11should have left
27:12right from her ex
27:13fiancé
27:14to clarify the situation
27:15who was he talking to?
27:16on video call
27:18Unfortunately I didn't succeed
27:19to see
27:19because she just
27:21that is, as soon as we met
27:22he said
27:23wait a minute
27:23I put the phone down
27:24directly into the bag
27:26and then
27:27and then you are seen
27:28with Dragos
27:29Obviously
27:31these tickets
27:32No?
27:33the route was
27:34Lecce-Rome
27:35Rome-Brescia
27:36we are in Nardò
27:37half an hour
27:38from Lecce
27:39so how
27:40in your opinion
27:41could move
27:42from here
27:43in Lecce
27:44meanwhile
27:46bus
27:47train
27:48passages
27:50of friends
27:50friends
27:51but also of
27:53these subjects
27:54that we
27:54we are coming
27:55aware
27:55that maybe
27:56we don't know
27:58tickets
27:58he had printed them
28:00Anyway
28:00Yes
28:01they were paper
28:03but now
28:04Here you are
28:04you delivered them
28:05those too
28:06to the police
28:07Here you are
28:08the line
28:09Itabus
28:1011.55am
28:13Wednesday 26th
28:15Exactly
28:15Yes
28:16Thursday
28:17Exactly
28:18Wednesday 26th
28:19he asks her
28:20Thursday
28:21he had to leave
28:21and he had to return
28:23Sunday evening
28:26he already had a ticket
28:27At that time
28:28on the way back?
28:29No
28:29we don't know
28:30don't you know?
28:31No
28:31I do not know
28:32isn't this the case?
28:33No
28:33this does not appear
28:34the one-way ticket
28:37he had it
28:37there is Rome
28:39Rome to Brescia
28:40but
28:40the return
28:41he didn't show it to me
28:42but
28:43he told you
28:44that she would return
28:45she would have returned on Sunday
28:47ah here
28:47this is important
28:49Also
28:49this he had said
28:50who was returning
28:51but then
28:51unfortunately it happened
28:53what happened
28:53and we don't know anything else
28:55Here you are
28:56these tickets
28:57she paid for them
28:57did she make them?
28:59No
28:59I didn't do anything
29:00she did it all by herself
29:02Yes
29:03no no no
29:03I say
29:03she paid
29:04his tickets
29:05but surely
29:06she will have paid
29:07Yes
29:07will have paid
29:08because he didn't ask me anything
29:10Usually
29:11if he has to make some trips
29:13something
29:13and she tells me
29:16Pope
29:17you give me
29:18a hand
29:21for the ticket
29:22for something
29:23but
29:24this time
29:25he didn't tell me anything
29:26if I wanted it
29:27get by on your own
29:30listen Raffaella
29:31Gregory
29:31Ornella
29:32I wanted to say
29:33to our viewers
29:34No
29:34that first
29:35we succeeded
29:36to understand
29:36that this Dragos
29:38he sees her in the evening
29:39and then she
29:41and then he says
29:41I have to go
29:43there is this cell phone
29:43that is downloading
29:45it's so true
29:45who no longer responds
29:47so the last track
29:48certain
29:49he provides it to us
29:50this Dragos
29:50it practically disappears
29:52in 500 meters
29:53we want to say again
29:55where is it
29:55the appointment
29:56with this boy
29:58that then the parents
29:58they didn't know
30:00the brother
30:00he didn't know
30:01but kindly
30:02he explained to us
30:03that they seized from him
30:04the cell phone
30:05that is, from where
30:07part
30:07to go home
30:08and then instead
30:09he doesn't arrive home
30:13it would be from the park
30:14Rao
30:14which is known here
30:15there is also a bar
30:16within
30:17yes there is a bar inside
30:18which however closes
30:19at two o'clock
30:20yes it closes around
30:22at two o'clock
30:22half past two
30:24Yes
30:24and here we are
30:26in a street
30:27in passing
30:28among other things
30:29let's say that
30:30a passageway
30:31stay away
30:33500 meters
30:34to get here
30:35it would take us
30:365 minutes
30:37what a weather
30:38what time was it?
30:39then Raffaella
30:40Unfortunately we have to go
30:41on break
30:41but I want to tell you
30:43this is very important
30:45Why
30:46in a ray
30:485 minutes
30:48of 500 meters
30:49they get lost
30:50Tatiana's traces
30:51this is one thing
30:52very important
30:53if by chance
30:54someone else
30:54he was there
30:55and he saw
30:56where she went
30:57Tatiana
30:58this can be
30:59very important
31:00for family members
31:01and of course
31:01for the investigators
31:02see you soon
31:03after this short break
31:22then I say goodbye
31:24Tatiana's family
31:25but of course
31:26we continue to deal with it
31:27of this story
31:28any report
31:29anything
31:30any suggestions
31:32for us
31:32it can be very useful
31:34from the evening
31:35of November 24th
31:37which is a Monday
31:38then I thank you
31:39Raffaella Grigi
31:40Alessandra Canonico
31:41and family members
31:42we are with them
31:43I'll show you though
31:44still the photography
31:45of Uzzel
31:46who is 22 years old
31:47and he disappeared
31:48from Bergamo
31:49he lives with his mother
31:51he doesn't have it with him
31:52the phone
31:53a fragile boy
31:54and certainly
31:54in difficulty
31:55could be found
31:57in Naples
31:58they contact us
31:59the family members
32:00by Domenico Rosano
32:01who is 54 years old
32:03lives in Piacenza
32:04with mom
32:05and what happens?
32:07that leaves at home
32:07some tickets
32:09the house keys
32:10and the phone
32:11and a bit like Tom Thumb
32:13leaves traces
32:14on one of the tickets
32:15indicates the place
32:16where they will be able to
32:16recover his bike
32:18and in fact
32:20the bicycle
32:20is recovered
32:21nearby
32:22of the station
32:23of a bridge
32:24on the Po River
32:25but about him
32:25no trace
32:26I
32:27I'll show you
32:29these beautiful stars
32:30of Christmas
32:32because together with Lail
32:33we can search
32:35to defeat
32:36leukemias
32:37the infoma
32:37and so on
32:39be at your side
32:40of patients
32:41and their families
32:42with these stars
32:44I leave you
32:45to Elaria Capitani
32:46to the very important news
32:48of TG3
32:48by Night Line
32:49as always
32:50we will see each other
32:50next Wednesday
32:51Until we meet again
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