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00:00Eduardo Menezes is a political analyst. Welcome, Eduardo.
00:07It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for the invitation.
00:09It's a pleasure to have you.
00:11So, Iran and the United States were in the middle of negotiations.
00:16How this new attack against the Persian nation will affect these negotiations in the future?
00:23Can we expect more negotiations, indirect negotiations, or direct negotiations with the United States?
00:32Well, I think it's needed to be said that since this military escalation started with the Ukrainian war with Russia
00:43more than four years ago,
00:45we have seen that diplomacy is not at all what is defining how the tensions between countries have been solved
00:56in the last years.
00:57We know that all the negotiations that the U.S. developed with Palestine didn't work.
01:06It was only a matter of weapons.
01:08It was only a matter of the strength of the military of the United States trying to impose their will
01:16to other people.
01:17We know that the negotiations with Iran that have been happening during all these years have never been about a
01:25peace process,
01:26have never been about true diplomacy, trying to find some middle ground between different perspectives of geopolitics and sovereign decisions
01:40for the Iranian people.
01:42And we know that the negotiations that have been going on in the last weeks were nothing but preparation for
01:49what's happening now.
01:50We cannot trust the United States, and it has been already the case for several years when they are speaking
02:00about diplomacy,
02:02when they are speaking about negotiations.
02:03We have been seeing how the military power of the United States was approaching the Iranian coast for weeks now.
02:13We knew that this is something that is not a real negotiation around the possibility or not for Iran to
02:25have uranium for their energy,
02:29or allegedly, as U.S. says, for possible nuclear weapons, which has never been the intention of Iran.
02:36Iran has been very clear about that.
02:40All of this has always been around the United States trying to impose their will in the Middle East, trying
02:47to control the resources there.
02:49And what is happening today is totally illegal.
02:52This has no legitimacy around that.
02:54And as we saw with the Palestinian genocide, as we have seen in many other places in the world in
03:00the last years,
03:01we cannot trust at all what the United States are calling negotiations, which are not at all negotiations.
03:08There are just strategies to try to justify what they are doing right now.
03:13So we talk about controlling resources.
03:17We see it on January 3rd in Venezuela, when the United States also did a maiden attack against the Bolivarian
03:24nation.
03:25And we see it now in Iran.
03:26Can we expect a similar reaction in other countries of the region and the Middle East, or even in South
03:35America?
03:37Well, in terms of reactions, I mean, we hope that everybody can understand the risk that the United States is
03:48creating with this.
03:49It's not only about the Iranian people, it's not only about the Middle East, it's about the whole humanity,
03:56what is at risk right now, because we are facing an escalation of a conflict that could lead to a
04:02nuclear confrontation.
04:04It is not only the United States against Iran.
04:09They are really with this attack against the Iranian people.
04:13And I am saying the Iranian people, because they have been saying in the news that it is only about
04:18the regime.
04:19It is going to be only military targets that are going to be attacked, which is totally false.
04:26We already have more than 50 civilians that have already been killed.
04:32And we have already seen this, how this unfolded in Gaza.
04:39So we know that it is not only a military target.
04:42So I hope, and we could hope, that many countries and many people around the world would condemn this.
04:49But sadly, really sadly, what we have been seeing in the last years is that it has been only the
04:57military response
04:59and the military capacity to defend the sovereignty of a country that has been able to stop the U.S.
05:08actions.
05:08We saw in the last bombing of Iran some months ago that it was only the Iranian capacity of answering
05:21the United States and Israeli aggression by missiles,
05:25by their military power, that it was only this possibility of this capacity of defense that was able to stop
05:35the United States.
05:36And very sadly, I am not too much optimist with how much countries can move diplomacy or can express in
05:46words how this is illegal.
05:49The only thing that may stop this action now is the answer of the Iranian military forces trying to defend
05:56their sovereignty.
05:57And we are already seeing some bombing of U.S. bases in different countries near Iran.
06:05And we really need to be very, we need to follow this very attentively because we can be facing a
06:13very strong escalation of the violence.
06:16So, yeah, that means that we will, we will see a probably a prolonged war against the Israeli targets or
06:27the United States targets in the near the coast of Iran.
06:33Could we also expect, probably, as Iran has many allies in the region, one of their allies, for example, Ansarullah
06:43in Yemen or in Lebanon, Hezbollah,
06:46to join to this escalation against the United States and Israel supporting Iran?
06:55Yeah, it's not a coincidence at all that these last weeks there have been many attentives to a very, very,
07:05very few aggressions against the Yemeni forces,
07:11this attempt to demilitarize Hezbollah in Liban.
07:16This has been going on for weeks now.
07:18No, they didn't, they were not able to do it, but we knew that all these efforts that were, that
07:25were, were unfolded by the U.S. allies in Yemen that were unfolded by,
07:32by different allies in Liban, in Lebanon, were trying to prepare exactly this, this scenario.
07:43They were not able to do that, they were, they were not able to, let's say, to, on, to, to
07:50take the military power of the Hezbollah in Liban,
07:53they were not able to diminish the military power of Yemen, so we could definitely expect that.
07:59But, and I repeat that, what was the main factor?
08:02The last time was the Iranian ability to defend themselves, and we can really expect,
08:10not something which is going to be an aggression from the U.S. in the short term.
08:15We can expect the Iranian people and the Iranian military forces to have the ability to defend themselves,
08:23to have the ability to attack not only U.S. bases, but, for example,
08:29missiles being headed, headed towards Israel is also a very strong possibility,
08:34as we saw in the, in the last aggression against the Iranian people, so we really need to be attentive,
08:39because we do not, we cannot forget that the regime, which is ruling Israel right now,
08:46is really a fascist regime, who has already been able to develop a genocide without any consequences,
08:54a strong consequences to stop them for years now, and Israel has a nuclear weapons.
09:04So this is a very dangerous situation.
09:07We cannot be sure that Israel has the restraint or moral capacity to stop themselves with using this kind of
09:16weapons,
09:17so we are really in the blink of a very dangerous moment for the whole humanity.
09:25Talking also about this possible joint operation for us with Yemen and Lebanon,
09:33probably we don't know their reaction about this, but in this context,
09:38how are regional powers like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and even the United Arab Emirates,
09:45is likely to respond to the use of their airspace or the potential for a total regional war?
09:52Well, we already saw in the last aggression against the Iranian people some months ago,
09:57how the Emirates, United Emirates, were helping the U.S.
10:06and were supporting some of the Israeli defense processes in these actions
10:13that were opposing Iran to Israel and the United States some months ago.
10:20We can expect the same thing right now.
10:22We can really...
10:25It's very difficult for us to forget
10:29how Saudi Arabia or the United Emirates
10:35have never been able to go beyond wars
10:39when it was concerning the genocide in Palestine.
10:44It's very difficult to think that they're going to do anything different this time
10:48in this aggression against Iran.
10:51And we, in the total opposite side,
10:55we already have seen how they have been collaborating with Israel
10:59and with the United States in this military aggression.
11:03So is that what we would really expect?
11:06And it's not a surprise that we are already seeing some bombing of Iran
11:11in some of the U.S. facilities that are near all these territories.
11:16I'm talking about other allies, for example, Russia and China.
11:21How this escalation will affect the great power dynamic?
11:27For example, will Russia or China intervene militarily
11:32or diplomatically in this conflict?
11:37Well, we can say that definitely there's going to be a diplomatic reaction
11:42and there are many levers that the diplomatic reaction from China
11:46can, for example, develop,
11:48which is not only speaking at the UN,
11:51which they will,
11:53but I think that there are economic actions
11:56that China is able to take.
11:59And we already saw that
12:01with the aggression against the Venezuelan people.
12:04But for now, thinking of military action
12:08that goes beyond the support of the defense
12:12of the territory by, for example, China or Russia is difficult.
12:17We knew that, we know that in the last weeks,
12:22China and Russia and mainly China have been supporting
12:25the installation of some defensive infrastructure in Iran,
12:31mainly radars, for example,
12:33that can be able to scan the possible aggressions
12:41by air, by missiles from the U.S.
12:43or from the Israeli forces.
12:46But in the recent history,
12:49we have seen how either China or Russia,
12:52they have been really reluctant to have direct action.
12:55So a direct action from Chinese or Russian forces
13:01against, for example, aircraft carriers in the sea
13:06or active intercepting missiles for the moment
13:10is not something that we have seen.
13:12And if it happens,
13:15it really would mean a huge escalation of the conflict
13:20because it would mean a direct confrontation
13:23between these powers.
13:25We are not seeing that right now as a possibility.
13:28It has not been the case in the last aggressions
13:31against the Iranian people,
13:34mainly because Iran has its own capacity
13:38of defending themselves.
13:39But right now, as I was mentioning,
13:45we cannot forget that Israel is being ruled
13:49by a fascist government.
13:51They have a nuclear weapon.
13:53We cannot count at all on the moral limits
13:56or the capacity of understanding
14:01of international law,
14:02of the limitation of, for example,
14:05the willing to kill civilians
14:08in order to attain their goals,
14:11their geopolitical goals,
14:12neither from Israel or the United States.
14:16So anything is open right now.
14:19We are a very dangerous moment,
14:20but we have not seen this direct intervention
14:23right now from China and Russia.
14:25So it would mean a very big escalation.
14:29It's not out of the table,
14:30but it will depend a lot on what Israel
14:33and the United States do,
14:35what is the scale of the attack
14:38that they could bring against the Iranian people
14:41and also the ability and the capacity
14:44for the Iranian forces for the defensing themselves,
14:47which till now has shown to be pretty strong.
14:53In terms of economy,
14:55let's say with this earth rise in Iran,
15:00which are taking place right now
15:04and Iran retaliation against Israel
15:07and the United States,
15:09what is the projected impact
15:10on global energy prices
15:13and the Strait of Hormuz, for example?
15:16Well, there's going to be definitely
15:19a shortage of resources linked,
15:23for example, for petroleum or gas.
15:26This is something that we have already seen
15:28in other moments.
15:29The scale of how this conflict can go over time
15:34will have a direct impact.
15:36If this lasts for weeks,
15:39we are going to see definitely
15:40a huge impact on the prices
15:43that will start to rise
15:45because of the shortage
15:47of the supply of these kind of resources.
15:51The fact that the United States
15:54attacked Venezuela some weeks ago
15:57and tried to have a control
16:01over Venezuelan oil
16:02was a direct preparation for this situation.
16:06In fact, we cannot separate
16:07the one from the other.
16:09We know also that
16:10as a retaliation
16:13for the Palestinian genocide,
16:14the Yemeni forces
16:15were also disrupting
16:20all the commerce
16:21that goes through the Red Sea
16:24as an effective way
16:26of affecting the economy
16:28of the United States,
16:30the Europe,
16:31but indirectly of the whole world.
16:34So this is also another action
16:37that we can see unfolding
16:39in the next days.
16:41And the impact on the economy
16:43will be for sure
16:45being felt all over the world.
16:48What is going to be the main factor here
16:50is how long this aggression will last.
16:55We need to remember
16:56that the last time
16:57that these aggressions happened
16:59against Iran,
17:01we saw almost more than one week,
17:04almost two weeks of aggressions
17:07depending on what is
17:09the objective of the United States
17:11and what is the objective
17:12of Israel right now.
17:14This could be much longer
17:15and we already saw
17:17Donald Trump
17:19saying
17:21very strong words
17:23around
17:23the eradication
17:25of
17:27so-called threat
17:29to the United States
17:30with all of us.
17:31We know there's no such a threat.
17:33All of us,
17:34we know that the Iranian government
17:36were very clear
17:38about not searching
17:39for building a nuclear arsenal.
17:43There was only development
17:44of nuclear energy,
17:47which is totally their right
17:48to do so.
17:49And there has been any evidence
17:51of this so-called threat.
17:53But the language of Donald Trump
17:55this time
17:56is much more strong
17:58that the last time
17:59that the attacks
18:00were unfolded
18:01against Iran.
18:03So,
18:04this time
18:05this could be
18:06the time factor
18:08will be important
18:08and we could be
18:09in front of
18:11a much more longer conflict
18:12if this unfolds
18:13in this way.
18:15Iran has already called
18:17for an urgent meeting
18:18of the UN Security Council
18:20and is likely
18:22to file a complaint
18:23against the United States
18:26and Israel.
18:26Could we see
18:27any solution
18:29to this conflict
18:31today
18:31in this UN Security Council?
18:36Well,
18:37sadly,
18:37we have already
18:37the answer for that.
18:39We have already
18:39the answer
18:40in the example
18:41of what has been
18:41unfolding
18:42in the Palestinian territories
18:44against the people
18:45in Gaza,
18:46the genocide
18:47that has been developed
18:48for more than
18:49three years now.
18:50There's no way
18:51that we could
18:52be so optimistic
18:54to think
18:54that there's going
18:55to be a solution
18:55found in the
18:57United Nations
18:59Security Council
18:59right now.
19:00It's obviously
19:01the right
19:02of the Iranian people
19:04to go
19:06to the international
19:07institutions
19:08that are supposed
19:10to protect
19:11international law.
19:12They need to do that.
19:14We need to continue
19:15asking international
19:16institutions
19:18and asking
19:20international law
19:21to protect
19:22the peoples
19:23who are being
19:23attacked
19:24by such actions.
19:26But we cannot
19:27at all
19:29trust
19:30that there's going
19:30to be a different
19:31output right now
19:32than the output
19:33that we already saw
19:34in the genocide
19:36against Palestinian people.
19:37We cannot be
19:38optimistic at all.
19:40It would be
19:40really naive
19:41to think
19:41that this is going
19:42to solve something
19:43right now.
19:44I really believe
19:45that the UN
19:48has
19:51been
19:53having only
19:54a testimony
19:54role
19:55for the last years.
19:57There's no way
19:58that this is going
19:59to change right now.
20:00Very sadly,
20:01the only way
20:03to stop
20:03this kind of
20:04aggressions
20:05right now
20:05will be
20:06the military
20:07capacity
20:08of Iran
20:09to defend
20:10themselves.
20:11And let's hope
20:12that there's
20:12not an escalation
20:14which will also
20:15be
20:16and where we will
20:18see a more
20:19direct confrontation
20:20between other powers
20:21like China
20:22and Russia
20:23because this could
20:23really lead
20:24to a very
20:25stronger
20:26escalation.
20:27As I was saying,
20:29that could put
20:29in danger
20:30not only
20:31the Iranian people,
20:33the whole Middle East,
20:34but really
20:35all the peoples,
20:36all the people
20:36in the world
20:37because we are
20:38speaking about
20:38the most
20:41stronger
20:43countries
20:44in the world
20:45military
20:45being confronted
20:46and the possibility,
20:47the real possibility
20:48of a direct
20:49confrontation.
20:51So,
20:52talking about
20:52reactions,
20:53for example,
20:54Spanish Prime Minister
20:55Pedro Sanchez,
20:56he's
20:56posed on X
20:58that he's
20:59rejecting
20:59the United States
21:01and Israel
21:02escalation
21:03in the Middle East,
21:03but he's
21:04also criticizing
21:05Iran
21:05for reacting
21:08for the
21:09retaliation
21:09he's taking
21:10and he's
21:11calling Iran
21:12to engage
21:13in dialogue
21:14with the US
21:15once again.
21:17Is this
21:18possible
21:19that this
21:20stance
21:21of the
21:22Prime Minister
21:23could change
21:25the
21:28panorama
21:29that we are
21:30seeing right now?
21:32Again,
21:33I think
21:33that very,
21:33very,
21:34very sadly,
21:35all of these
21:36wars,
21:38we cannot
21:40say that
21:40they are not
21:41necessary.
21:41Obviously,
21:42we need
21:42leaders from
21:43all the world
21:44condemning the
21:45attack of
21:46the US
21:47and Israel
21:47against Iran,
21:49but right now,
21:50and they need
21:51to call
21:51for a dialogue.
21:52That is
21:53essential.
21:53We cannot
21:54forget
21:54the need
21:55to call
21:57always to
21:57diplomacy
21:58and to
21:58call always
21:59to a dialogue
22:00here.
22:00It's not
22:01an horizon
22:02that we
22:03can
22:04really
22:05forget
22:06when we
22:07are speaking
22:07of international
22:08relations.
22:09And maybe
22:10it's in the
22:11role of any
22:12government
22:13in the world
22:13to always
22:14recall for
22:15dialogue
22:15and recall
22:16for a
22:18diplomatic solution,
22:20but we can
22:20all also
22:21be very clear
22:23about what is
22:23happening right now.
22:24What is happening
22:25right now
22:26is a huge
22:27aggression
22:28against Iranian
22:30people.
22:31The Iranian
22:33government
22:33has the right
22:34by international
22:35law to defend
22:36themselves,
22:38and this
22:39defense,
22:41very sadly,
22:42right now,
22:42cannot be based
22:44on dialogues
22:45in the UN
22:46or dialogues
22:47between the
22:49US and
22:50Iranian
22:51governments
22:52governments
22:52only,
22:53because we
22:53know and
22:54we have
22:54seen where
22:56that leads
22:56in Palestine,
22:58in other
22:58territories.
22:59So it's
23:00obvious that
23:01this is only
23:02like some
23:03wars that
23:04are being
23:05set in
23:06the air,
23:07but if we
23:07are really
23:08pragmatic,
23:08this is not
23:09a position
23:10that can
23:11be really
23:12right now
23:13a real
23:14solution.
23:15It is a,
23:16let's say,
23:17there's an
23:17aspiration that
23:19we could
23:20have dialogue,
23:20there's an
23:21aspiration that
23:21we could
23:22have
23:23international
23:23institutions
23:24that could
23:25solve this
23:26kind of
23:26problems,
23:26but if we
23:27ask the
23:28Iranian
23:28people right
23:29now,
23:29the only
23:29thing that
23:30they will
23:32really have
23:33to protect
23:34themselves
23:34from the
23:35bombing that
23:36is already
23:36killing
23:37dozens of
23:38civilians,
23:39is the
23:39ability to
23:40defend
23:41themselves
23:41military.
23:42It is
23:43very sad
23:43that
23:44international
23:45relations
23:45have reached
23:47this point,
23:48but we
23:48really need
23:49to be real
23:51about this
23:52situation,
23:53the fact
23:54that that's
23:55the only
23:56way that
23:56the Iranian
23:56people will
23:57be able
23:57to defend
23:58themselves,
23:59and this
23:59is all
24:00over the
24:00world.
24:01When we
24:01see the
24:02confrontations
24:03that have
24:03been held
24:04in Ukraine
24:06against Russia,
24:07when we
24:08see what
24:09we have been
24:10seeing unfolded
24:11in the Middle
24:12East,
24:12when we see
24:13how the
24:14aggressions
24:14around
24:16countries like
24:17what happened
24:17in Venezuela
24:18some weeks ago,
24:19have been
24:20unfolding in the
24:21last months,
24:23there's not
24:24any other
24:25conclusion that
24:26we can have,
24:27which is,
24:29right now,
24:29the only thing
24:30that protects
24:31the sovereignty
24:31of a people
24:33is the ability
24:35to defend
24:36themselves,
24:36not only by
24:37diplomacy,
24:38but by the
24:39power of their
24:39military.
24:40That's very sad,
24:41but that's
24:41true.
24:41we have reports
24:43of about
24:4440 girls
24:45being killed
24:46by these
24:47bombings
24:48in a school
24:48in Iran
24:49and the
24:50calling of
24:52leaders
24:53from the
24:54United States
24:54and Israel
24:55calling to
24:56the people
24:56of Iran
24:57to rise up.
24:58Can we
24:59expect a reaction
25:00from the
25:01Iranian people
25:03regarding
25:04these attacks
25:04attacks or even
25:06a rise up
25:07against the
25:08Iranian government?
25:09Is that
25:09possible?
25:11Well,
25:12we know that
25:13there has already
25:14been,
25:14and we saw that
25:15at the beginning
25:16of this year,
25:18an attempt
25:18to build
25:20this,
25:21and when I
25:22say an attempt
25:23is an attempt
25:23from the
25:24United States
25:25and Israel
25:26to try to
25:26build
25:27a movement
25:30inside Iran
25:31that could
25:32lead to
25:33the government
25:34being overthrown.
25:35This didn't
25:37end in the
25:38outcome that
25:38the United States
25:39and Israel
25:40were expecting
25:42for,
25:43and we
25:43can,
25:44it's very
25:45hard to
25:46think right
25:46now,
25:48that people
25:49being bombed
25:50in the way
25:51they are being
25:52bombed,
25:52because I
25:53need to
25:53repeat this,
25:55the missiles
25:55that are being
25:56launched
25:57against Iran
25:58are not
25:59missiles that
26:00are directed
26:01to military
26:02facilities
26:03only or
26:04just military
26:06targets.
26:07They are
26:07bombing
26:08civilians
26:08right now.
26:09So it is
26:10very hard
26:11to imagine
26:11that if
26:12these
26:13callings
26:14for
26:15uprising
26:15and for
26:16overthrow
26:17the Iranian
26:18government
26:18didn't work
26:19at the
26:20beginning of
26:20this year,
26:21they are
26:21going to
26:22work right
26:23now under
26:24a bombing
26:24from Israeli
26:26and United
26:28States
26:28forces.
26:30We do not
26:31need to
26:31forget that
26:32right now
26:33we do not
26:33have a
26:34confrontation,
26:35which is
26:36a land
26:37confrontation.
26:37We are
26:38speaking about
26:38the confrontation
26:39based on
26:40missiles.
26:40missiles, so
26:41the possibility
26:42of Iran
26:44to defend
26:45itself also
26:46from the
26:47internal
26:49strategies of
26:50destabilization
26:51or these
26:52plots that
26:53are being
26:53pushed from
26:54the United
26:54States and
26:55Israel,
26:56they are still
26:57intact because
26:58there are two
26:59different fronts.
27:00One front is
27:00the aerial
27:01front, which
27:02is being
27:03confronted by
27:04the Iranian
27:07missiles
27:08capacity.
27:09Another thing
27:10is the
27:10capacity of
27:11controlling
27:12internal
27:12threats.
27:15It's obvious
27:16that there
27:16has been
27:17a lot of
27:20tensions in
27:22the last
27:22months that
27:24have been
27:24built inside
27:25Iran, and
27:27a lot of
27:27those tensions
27:28have to do
27:28with economic
27:29sanctions, with
27:30the economic
27:30blocus that
27:31has been
27:32imposed to
27:33Iran.
27:34for years
27:35now, and
27:36has been
27:36created a
27:37difficult
27:37economic
27:38issue, but
27:39it is very
27:40difficult to
27:41think that
27:41right now
27:42people will
27:44continue having
27:45this kind
27:46of, let's
27:48say, possibility
27:49of uprising
27:50under the
27:51bombing of
27:52external
27:52powers.
27:54Right now,
27:55it's a
27:55difficult
27:56horizon.
27:57I don't see
27:58that happening
27:59in a strong
28:00way right
28:01now, but
28:03all the
28:04possibilities
28:05are open.
28:05It's very
28:06difficult to
28:06say how
28:08the
28:09technological
28:10warfare, the
28:11psychological
28:11warfare is
28:12going to be
28:13developed from
28:13the United
28:14States and
28:15Israel.
28:15We already
28:16saw some
28:18of those
28:19things unfolding
28:20in the
28:22Syrian war
28:23against Bashar
28:25al-Assad
28:25some years
28:25ago.
28:27we know
28:27that they
28:28can put a
28:28lot of
28:29efforts into
28:29this, but
28:30right now, I
28:31think it is
28:32not the
28:33main field of
28:37confrontation
28:38that there
28:38are being.
28:38Right now, I
28:39think that the
28:39main confrontation
28:41is going to be
28:42military, it's
28:42going to be
28:44bombing, it's
28:45going to be
28:46testing the
28:47capacity, the
28:48military capacity
28:49of the Iranian
28:51people to
28:51defend themselves.
28:52And it's, for
28:53me, it's a
28:54difficult, it's
28:55something that
28:56is not near
28:57that we could
28:58see the
28:58Iranian people
28:59rising up
29:00massively and
29:01overthrowing the
29:02government.
29:02For me, it's
29:03not an
29:04scenario that
29:04is possible
29:05right now.
29:05We need to
29:06see what's
29:07happening, what's
29:07going to
29:08happen with
29:08this
29:08psychological
29:09and
29:10technological
29:10warfare that
29:11can
29:12influence a
29:13lot of
29:13public
29:14opinions all
29:15over the
29:15world, but
29:16it's not
29:16something that
29:17I see
29:17happening.
29:18So, in
29:19this context
29:20of the
29:20rise-up, how
29:21does the
29:21government view
29:22these statements
29:23and what is
29:24the message of
29:25the government
29:26to its
29:27population?
29:28I think that
29:29the message has
29:30been very
29:30clear.
29:31The message is
29:31a message of
29:33the defense of
29:34Iranian
29:34sovereignty.
29:36If there are
29:36tensions
29:37between the
29:38people and
29:38tensions
29:39between the
29:39people and
29:40the government
29:40inside the
29:42Iranian
29:42society, again,
29:44we cannot
29:45forget that a
29:46lot of those
29:46tensions have
29:47to do with
29:48the economic
29:49situation that
29:49have been
29:50created by
29:50the economic
29:51blocus and
29:51economic
29:52sanctions to
29:53Iran.
29:53So, there's a
29:54whole narrative
29:55which is not
29:55only a narrative.
29:56It's something
29:56that is rooted
29:57in reality,
29:58in truth, in
29:59material truth of
30:00how this war has
30:01been affecting
30:02people.
30:02So, I think
30:03that the
30:03narrative right
30:03now from the
30:05Iranian government
30:06is a narrative
30:07of defense of
30:09the Iranian
30:09sovereignty, defense
30:11of the right of
30:13the Iranian
30:13people to
30:14decide by
30:15themselves, which
30:16is their
30:17horizon.
30:17And I think
30:18this is going
30:18to be the
30:19message, not
30:20only internally,
30:21but externally,
30:21because this is
30:22a message which
30:23is rooted in
30:25the right of
30:26the Iranian
30:26people.
30:27If there is
30:28any tension
30:29inside Iran, it
30:29needs to be
30:30solved by the
30:31Iranian people,
30:32and it needs
30:33to be solved
30:33taking account
30:35of how is
30:36the external
30:38blocus and
30:39external sanctions
30:40that are creating
30:41a lot of the
30:41economic problems
30:43of the
30:44economic problems
30:45of the Iranian
30:45people.
30:46So, I think
30:46that that's the
30:47message right
30:47now.
30:47The message
30:48right now is
30:48a message of
30:49unity, of
30:50uniting Iranian
30:53people's forces
30:54against an
30:56external aggression,
30:57an aggression
30:57that is totally
30:59illegal, that
30:59has not
31:01legitimacy at
31:02all, because
31:03it has been
31:03only false
31:05excuses and
31:06false arguments
31:07that have been
31:08developed by the
31:09United States
31:10and Israel.
31:11We all know
31:12what are the
31:12real goals
31:13behind this,
31:14which is the
31:14control of
31:15energetic
31:16resources, and
31:17I think that
31:17this is going
31:18to be very
31:18clearly the
31:19message from
31:21the Iranian
31:21government, and
31:22as we saw
31:23in the last
31:23aggression from
31:26Israel and
31:27from the United
31:27States against
31:28Iran that
31:29happened months
31:31ago, Iranian
31:32people, even
31:33some of the
31:34political
31:34opposition of
31:36the Iranian
31:36government, were
31:37really calling
31:39for the same
31:40kind of unity
31:41of people
31:41against external
31:42aggression, and
31:43this is what is
31:43going to be
31:44happening right
31:45now, and it's
31:46going to be
31:47happening all
31:47long, the
31:48external aggression
31:49from the United
31:50States and
31:51Israel against
31:52the Iranian
31:52people, but
31:53because we do
31:54not need to
31:55forget that this
31:56is not an
31:56aggression against
31:57military target,
31:59it's not an
31:59aggression against
32:00a regime, it is
32:01an aggression
32:02against all the
32:03people of Iran,
32:04the sovereignty of
32:05the country, and
32:06we are already
32:07seeing dozens of
32:08civilian peoples
32:09have been killed.
32:11So this is the
32:12second time in
32:13less than a year
32:14that the Israeli
32:17government and the
32:18United States
32:19engage in a
32:20conflict with Iran,
32:21attacking and
32:22bombing the Iranian
32:24territory directly.
32:26Let's remember
32:26that in 2025, in
32:28June, they both
32:30made attacks
32:31directly to Iranian
32:32territory.
32:33So the question
32:34here is how
32:35this one, in
32:36this context
32:37today, how
32:38this one differs
32:39from the one
32:39that happened
32:40in June, 2025?
32:44Well, I think
32:45that the United
32:47States and
32:48Israel have been
32:49preparing this
32:53for months now.
32:55As I was
32:56saying, for
32:56example, if we
32:57take the
32:59aggression that
33:00happened against
33:03Venezuela, trying
33:04to take control
33:06of the
33:08Venezuelan oil,
33:09for example,
33:10the aggression
33:11that happened
33:12against the
33:14Yemeni forces,
33:16the Lebanon
33:16forces, in,
33:20let's say, in
33:21the last months,
33:22has been
33:23preparing something
33:24that I think
33:25the United
33:26States are
33:29expecting
33:30that will
33:31last longer
33:32than the
33:32last time.
33:33I think that
33:34this time, the
33:35kind of speech
33:36that was
33:37built by
33:38Donald Trump
33:39right now,
33:40but also
33:41during the
33:44speech that
33:45he gave to
33:46the country
33:46some days
33:47ago in
33:48the State
33:48of the
33:49Union, it
33:50was a very
33:50clear speech
33:51about the
33:53force
33:54they are
33:58using against
34:00the whole
34:01world
34:01position in
34:02the United
34:03States as
34:05a huge
34:06military force
34:08that is able
34:09to impose
34:10their will
34:11to any
34:12other country
34:12in the world.
34:13So I think
34:13that the
34:14situation right
34:15now is not
34:16something that
34:17is only
34:17directed to
34:19a preemptive
34:21control and
34:22attempt to
34:23overthrowing
34:24just a
34:25government by
34:26different
34:27measures that
34:28have been
34:29economic,
34:29that have
34:30been the
34:31aggression
34:32inside the
34:34Iranian society.
34:35This has
34:36been planned
34:37as a long
34:39term or
34:40short,
34:40middle term,
34:42I will say
34:43something that
34:43is going to
34:44last more
34:45than the last
34:46aggression that
34:47happened against
34:49Iran.
34:49We have
34:51very strong
34:52forces of the
34:53United States
34:53that have
34:54been deployed
34:55in the
34:55region.
34:55We have
34:56the main
34:57aircraft carrier,
34:58the USS
34:59General Ford
35:00that has been
35:01deployed into
35:02the waters
35:02near Iran.
35:04We have much
35:05more military
35:05presence of the
35:06United States
35:07in the region
35:08and they have
35:09been preparing
35:10for this for
35:11months,
35:11which is not
35:12the same case
35:12that happened
35:13in the last
35:14time.
35:14So we can
35:15really expect
35:17to have a
35:18long term
35:20capacity for
35:21the United States
35:22and Israel
35:23to this
35:25attack,
35:25which is
35:26longer than
35:26the last
35:26time.
35:27Now we
35:28are not
35:29seeing,
35:29for example,
35:30any capacity
35:31of ground
35:32attack right
35:33now.
35:34We are not
35:34seeing an
35:35invasion capacity
35:37from the
35:37military forces.
35:38We are not
35:39seeing enough
35:44troop capacity
35:45to make
35:46something like
35:46this.
35:47So we are
35:47speaking right
35:48now about
35:52an aggression
35:53who is going
35:53to be held
35:54by missiles,
35:55who is going
35:56to be held
35:57by aircraft
35:59aggressions.
36:00And that's
36:01the scenario
36:02right now.
36:02There is
36:03nothing that
36:03can let us
36:05think that
36:06it is not
36:07the possibility
36:08to escalate
36:09this to other
36:10kind of
36:10conflicts.
36:11But that is
36:11what we are
36:12seeing right
36:12now and that's
36:13what we are
36:13facing.
36:14The possibility
36:14of a much
36:15more longer
36:15aggression
36:16that will
36:17be unfolding
36:18for a long
36:19time than
36:20the last time.
36:21Let's talk
36:22about media
36:23and the public
36:23perception of
36:24this conflict.
36:26We know
36:26that normally
36:27media outlets,
36:28Western media
36:29outlets,
36:30tends to
36:30censor
36:32and misinform
36:34the audience
36:36regarding this
36:37kind of
36:37situation.
36:38Do you think
36:38that Western
36:40media are
36:41portraying the
36:42situation
36:42fairly from
36:43Iran's
36:44perspective?
36:46Well,
36:48let's say
36:48that we
36:49have already
36:49saw how
36:51the media
36:51work works
36:53in this
36:53kind of
36:54cases in
36:54the Middle
36:54East and
36:55we already
36:55saw how
36:58a big
36:59majority
37:00of the
37:01massive
37:01medias
37:02in Europe
37:03and United
37:03States
37:04have been
37:04controlled
37:05by the
37:06US agenda
37:08and the
37:08US
37:09geopolitical
37:10objectives.
37:12We cannot
37:13be naive
37:13about what's
37:14going to
37:14be unfolded
37:15right now
37:15and it's
37:17not something
37:18neutral
37:19what we were
37:20mentioning
37:20some minutes
37:21ago.
37:21We were
37:22mentioning
37:22how,
37:23for example,
37:24we had
37:25the Spanish
37:28government
37:29having some
37:30speeches that
37:31were already
37:32kind of
37:32ambiguous
37:33on how
37:34they were
37:34also calling
37:35Iran to
37:36not escalate
37:38the conflict
37:39but not
37:40taking in
37:41account that
37:41they're really
37:42aggressors
37:42here and
37:43the real
37:43ones who
37:44are being
37:45attacking
37:46the Iranian
37:46people and
37:47violating
37:48all
37:48international
37:49law
37:49without any
37:51kind of
37:51constraint
37:52are Israel
37:53and the
37:55United States.
37:56We need
37:57to be
37:57prepared
37:57for seeing
37:58some of
37:59the expressions
38:00of the
38:00European
38:01Union
38:02diplomacy
38:02to go
38:03in the
38:03same
38:04very
38:05ambiguous
38:06situation
38:06and all
38:08the media
38:10apparatus
38:10in the
38:11United States
38:12and the
38:12European
38:14medias
38:15which are
38:15the,
38:15let's say,
38:16the more
38:17hegemonic
38:17medias in
38:18terms of
38:18how they
38:19impact all
38:21the massive
38:22medias all
38:22over the
38:23world
38:23will be
38:24having the
38:25same kind
38:25of speech.
38:28We are
38:28going to
38:28see a lot
38:30of medias
38:30trying to
38:31build on
38:32this
38:33scenario
38:34of an
38:35alleged
38:37threat
38:38from Iran
38:40saying that
38:41Iran did
38:41not comply
38:42to this
38:43idea of
38:44abandoning
38:44Iran because
38:45they were
38:45searching for
38:47nuclear weapons
38:48which is
38:48totally false
38:49narrative.
38:50But we
38:50are already
38:51seeing a lot
38:52of the
38:52medias going
38:53the same
38:53direction.
38:54We have
38:55seen that
38:55for decades
38:56now.
38:56We saw
38:57that when
38:58the United
38:58States
38:58attacked
38:59Iraq,
39:00when there
39:01was the
39:02attack
39:02against
39:03Syria,
39:03when we
39:04have been
39:06many of
39:07the most
39:08influential
39:10medias
39:10trying to
39:14make a
39:15justification
39:15for the
39:16genocide in
39:17Palestine,
39:18and that's
39:18exactly what
39:19we're going
39:19to see right
39:20now.
39:20It's going
39:21to be a
39:21huge propaganda.
39:22We know
39:23that when
39:24military
39:25confrontations
39:26like this
39:26one unfolds,
39:28the first
39:28and one of
39:29the first
39:30victims is
39:30always the
39:31truth,
39:31and we
39:32need to
39:33be confronted
39:33to this
39:35situation
39:36right now.
39:36And that's
39:37why it's
39:38so important
39:38that actions
39:39like what
39:40you're doing
39:40right now
39:42with medias
39:43like yours
39:44will be so
39:45important because
39:46this is the
39:47only way of
39:49bringing other
39:50kind of
39:52perspectives to
39:53the people
39:53who only
39:57have medias
39:58like yours
39:59to understand
40:00understand what
40:00is really
40:00going on
40:01all over the
40:02world.
40:04So,
40:04Eduardo,
40:05you said
40:05earlier that
40:06we will see
40:07a longer
40:09conflict this
40:10time,
40:11but I think
40:11that at some
40:12point they have
40:13to stop and
40:14they have to
40:14de-escalate
40:15this conflict
40:16because no
40:18the United
40:19States,
40:19nor Israel
40:22or even Iran
40:23can engage
40:24in a long-term
40:27regional
40:28conflict,
40:28let's put it
40:29that way.
40:30So,
40:30what do you think
40:32are the steps
40:33necessary for a peace
40:35and de-escalation
40:36going forward?
40:38Well,
40:39I think that
40:39it's very
40:40difficult to
40:41speak about
40:41peace because
40:42peace would
40:43mean a real
40:44process of
40:45solving the
40:46structural
40:46tensions in
40:48the region.
40:48So,
40:48we could
40:49maybe speak
40:50about what
40:51could be
40:51the stopping
40:53this aggression.
40:54A peace
40:55process is
40:56something which
40:56is very
40:56different,
40:57which will
40:57involve a
41:00real will
41:02from the
41:02United States
41:03or Israel
41:04to build
41:04long-lasting
41:05peace in the
41:06region,
41:06which is not
41:06the case.
41:07But if we
41:07are speaking
41:08about stopping
41:09this aggression,
41:10I think that
41:10there are some
41:11key factors.
41:12The first one
41:12is going to
41:13be as the
41:15same as we
41:16saw in the
41:17last time,
41:17is how the
41:20Israeli
41:23capacity of
41:23defense will
41:24be tested
41:25by the
41:26Iranian forces.
41:27And we saw
41:27in the last
41:28aggression from
41:30Iran and
41:31the United
41:31States that
41:33the defense
41:33of the
41:34Israeli defense
41:35capacity didn't
41:36didn't last
41:37didn't last too
41:38much.
41:39Almost 10
41:41days after the
41:43first aggression
41:44started, the
41:45Israeli forces
41:46were almost out
41:48of capacity to
41:49defend themselves
41:51from the
41:52different
41:53aggressions from
41:55the Iranian
41:56missiles.
41:57So this is
41:58going to be a
41:58very important
41:59and crucial
42:01part of
42:03this possibility
42:05of stopping
42:06the aggression
42:07against the
42:08Iranian people.
42:09I think that
42:10Iran learned
42:12a lot about
42:13how the
42:14military defense
42:15system works
42:17in Israel in the
42:18last aggression,
42:19so they have much
42:20more information
42:20right now that
42:21can be used in
42:23in terms to
42:25this kind of
42:26actions.
42:27I think that
42:28the other
42:28very important
42:29factor is going
42:30to be the
42:31economic impact
42:32of this.
42:33We cannot
42:33forget that
42:34the United
42:35States is going
42:36through a very
42:37difficult economic
42:38moment where
42:38there has been
42:39any solution
42:41brought to
42:43the North
42:45American people
42:46around their
42:47needs on
42:48economic and
42:49social
42:50perspectives,
42:51and having a
42:52long-lasting
42:53war that is
42:54going to be
42:55depleting
42:56the U.S.
42:58resources,
42:59the taxes
43:00from United
43:02States citizens
43:03towards a
43:05war effort
43:05that at the
43:06end is only
43:07profiting the
43:08big military
43:09industry in
43:15the United
43:16States, but
43:17not having
43:19any good
43:20impact in the
43:20U.S.
43:21citizens.
43:22This being
43:23added to the
43:24economic
43:25impact in
43:26terms of the
43:27raising of the
43:27prices, of
43:28the energetic
43:29resources, of
43:30all the
43:32commerce that
43:33go through
43:34that needs
43:35these resources,
43:36this is the
43:37other main
43:39factor that
43:39will have a
43:40huge impact
43:41on how long
43:42this aggression
43:44will last.
43:44I think that
43:47militarily,
43:48if we are
43:49speaking from
43:50a military
43:50perspective,
43:51the United
43:52States and
43:52Israel are
43:53prepared for
43:54a longer
43:56confrontation
43:56than the
43:57last time,
43:58but this
43:58confrontation,
43:59as you were
44:00mentioning,
44:01cannot be
44:04something that's
44:05going to last
44:06for years or
44:06something like
44:07that.
44:08If it's
44:09set to
44:10last more
44:11than the
44:12last time,
44:12there will
44:13definitely be a
44:14transformation
44:15or if it's
44:17going to last
44:18for more
44:19than a
44:20month, two
44:21months, there
44:22will be a
44:23need, an
44:23economic need
44:24for the
44:24United States
44:25and a
44:25military need
44:26from the
44:26Israeli
44:27forces to
44:28change the
44:29kind of
44:29aggression to
44:30a low
44:31intensity
44:31aggression.
44:32It's not
44:32possible to
44:33maintain this
44:34in other
44:34ways.
44:35Anyway, and
44:37I have said
44:37this many
44:38times in this
44:39interview, we
44:40cannot forget
44:40that we are
44:41dealing with
44:43a fascist
44:43government in
44:45Israel, a
44:46government that
44:46has not moral
44:47constraint, and
44:49a government
44:49that has a
44:51nuclear weapon
44:51in its
44:52possession.
44:53More than
44:54one, we
44:55are speaking
44:55about nuclear
44:57arsenal in
44:58the possession
44:59of Israel.
45:00So let's
45:02be very real
45:02about the
45:03risk and
45:04the potential
45:06threat that
45:08this means,
45:10not only for
45:10the Iranian
45:11people, because
45:12we are not
45:12only speaking
45:13about what
45:13would be the
45:13consequences of
45:15a nuclear
45:15attack from
45:16a fascist
45:17government like
45:18the Israeli
45:18government against
45:19the Iranian
45:21people.
45:21If something
45:22like that
45:25happens, we
45:26will be
45:27directly
45:27involved in
45:29a much
45:29more longer
45:32and wide
45:33escalated
45:34conflict.
45:34And this
45:35is a real
45:36possibility which
45:37is on the
45:37table.
45:38We know
45:38that we
45:41are all
45:41hoping that
45:42it doesn't
45:42go further
45:44in that
45:45path, but
45:46we cannot
45:46forget with
45:48whom we are
45:49dealing, with
45:49which kind of
45:51fascist
45:52government of
45:53Israel we're
45:53dealing, with
45:55what kind of
45:56U.S.
45:56government we
45:57are dealing,
45:58which is a
45:58government who
45:59has any
46:00restraint in
46:01terms of moral
46:01restraint, of
46:02respect to
46:03international law,
46:04as we have been
46:05seen that in
46:06the last years,
46:07and the genocide
46:08in Palestine is
46:08the best example.
46:09So we can
46:11make all these
46:12projections about
46:13what we think
46:14that realistically
46:15will happen, and
46:16I really hope that
46:18this is not going
46:18to last longer
46:21or much longer
46:23than the last
46:24aggression that
46:25was held
46:26against Iranian
46:27people, but
46:29realistically we
46:30have also in the
46:31table many
46:32other paths that
46:34this aggression
46:34can follow, and
46:36that could really
46:36put a threat
46:39upon all
46:40over the
46:41peoples in
46:41the world.
46:42You mentioned,
46:44Eduardo, the
46:44economic situation
46:45that the United
46:46States is facing
46:47right now, and
46:48I will also
46:49add the
46:51evidence files
46:52to this
46:53matter, because
46:56not only the
46:57economic situation
46:58in the United
46:59States is
47:00unprecedented,
47:01despite the
47:02rhetoric of
47:03Donald Trump
47:04saying that
47:04the economic
47:05situation is
47:06improving, but
47:07also the
47:08absence files
47:09that mentions
47:09Donald Trump,
47:10even if they
47:11have tried to
47:12hide it, could
47:13it be an
47:15attempt also to
47:16divert attention
47:17to this
47:18problematic that
47:19the United
47:19States is facing
47:20right now?
47:21I mean, there's
47:22definitely
47:26an influence
47:27of all of
47:29these factors,
47:30but I think
47:31that we need
47:31to be very
47:32clear on
47:33what is
47:34the importance
47:36and the
47:36structural
47:36importance of
47:37those.
47:38Definitely the
47:39need for Donald
47:40Trump to face
47:41the Epstein
47:42violence is
47:43something that
47:43could accelerate
47:44these kind of
47:44decisions, but
47:45what is happening
47:47right now is
47:48something that is
47:49much more deeper,
47:50it's something
47:50that is linked
47:52to the fact
47:54that the United
47:55States are
47:56losing their
47:57hegemonic influence
47:58all over the
47:59world, and
48:00there are many
48:01contradictions
48:01that are
48:02unfolding right
48:03now inside
48:05the United
48:06States, but
48:07also geopolitically
48:09on the whole,
48:10the influence of
48:11the United States
48:13have been
48:14diminishing in
48:15the last years
48:15and decades
48:17in the world.
48:18We could
48:19mention some
48:19of these
48:19contradictions,
48:20for example,
48:21the contradiction
48:21of the decay
48:22of the
48:23production
48:24hegemony
48:25of the
48:26United States.
48:26United States
48:27have any
48:28productive power
48:30that is
48:31lasting right
48:32now.
48:33All of the
48:35main productive
48:36forces of the
48:36United States
48:37have been
48:39externalized
48:39to other
48:40countries.
48:40China
48:41development
48:42was one of
48:42the consequences
48:43of that.
48:44We have seen
48:44that in the
48:45European East,
48:46we have seen
48:46that in other
48:48countries in
48:48Asia.
48:49When we see
48:50also the
48:51financial power
48:53of the
48:53United States,
48:54the fact that
48:55the United States
48:55was losing
49:00their hegemony
49:01in terms of
49:02the productive
49:02forces led
49:03the United
49:04States to
49:04a lot of
49:07economic
49:07aggressions and
49:08financial aggressions
49:09against its
49:10competitors.
49:10We can mention,
49:12for example,
49:13all the
49:13sanctions to
49:14Russia,
49:15to Iran,
49:16the economic
49:18war that
49:18has been
49:19going on
49:19in the
49:20technological
49:20field against
49:21China.
49:22But the
49:23main consequence
49:23of that
49:24has been
49:25the creation
49:26of a whole
49:28new space
49:29of big
49:30economic
49:31powers like
49:32China,
49:33Russia,
49:34the BRICS
49:34in general
49:35that have
49:36started to
49:37develop trade
49:39agreements without
49:40the United
49:41States dollar.
49:41We know
49:43that in
49:44the past
49:44the only
49:45thing that
49:45saved the
49:46United States
49:47dollar was
49:48the threats
49:50that the
49:50United States
49:51made to
49:52other
49:52Middle Eastern
49:54countries like
49:54for example
49:55the Emirates
50:00or other
50:02countries who
50:03were oil
50:04exporters in
50:06the United
50:06States and
50:07it was only
50:08the military
50:08forces that
50:09forced them
50:10to make
50:12trade of
50:13their oil
50:14through the
50:15United States
50:16currency and
50:17all of this
50:17has been
50:19changing in
50:20the last
50:20years.
50:21It has been
50:21changing mainly
50:23because there's
50:24a contradiction
50:24that the
50:25United States
50:25cannot solve.
50:26The United
50:27States cannot
50:28continue having
50:29an hegemonic
50:30productive power.
50:31This is not
50:32going to
50:32change.
50:33The United
50:34States cannot
50:35maintain a
50:37financial power
50:38over the
50:39world because
50:39of the
50:41economic war
50:43they are
50:43developing.
50:44The only
50:45consequence of
50:46this economic
50:46war is the
50:47creation of
50:48new trade
50:49spaces which
50:50are not
50:50traded through
50:51the U.S.
50:52currency.
50:53So what we
50:54are observing
50:55right now
50:55goes much
50:57more beyond
50:59only the
51:00Epstein files
51:03and some
51:04cojunctural
51:05tensions for
51:06Donald Trump.
51:07Those are
51:08some factors
51:08that definitely
51:09are accelerating
51:10and structural
51:11tension but
51:12what we are
51:13seeing right
51:13now is a
51:14historic
51:15opposition from
51:17a decaying
51:17hegemonic
51:18force which is
51:19the United
51:20States and
51:21the emergence
51:21of a
51:22multipolar
51:23world which
51:25cannot be
51:25stopped by
51:26economic
51:28measures and
51:29the United
51:29States have
51:30proved that
51:33they are
51:33totally ready
51:35to use
51:36their military
51:37power to
51:37try to stop
51:38this new
51:39multipolar
51:40world to
51:40emerge and
51:41that's exactly
51:42what we are
51:42seeing right
51:43now and
51:43what is
51:44unfolding in
51:46Iran.
51:47That's exactly
51:47the big
51:50reason why
51:51this is
51:51happening.
51:52So what
51:54I am saying
51:55is that I
51:56call everyone
51:57to have this
51:57reflection.
51:58All of
51:59this goes
51:59beyond
52:01Epstein
52:01files,
52:02goes beyond
52:03some
52:03cojunctural
52:05economic
52:06situation.
52:07It's very
52:07a deep
52:08historical
52:09moment that
52:10we are
52:10seeing right
52:10now and
52:11everyone,
52:12every government
52:13but every
52:13person in
52:14the world
52:14is facing
52:16these
52:17responsibility
52:18of saying
52:18we are
52:19seeing
52:21upon our
52:22eyes the
52:23unfolding of
52:24a potential
52:25threat to
52:26our civilisation
52:27because this
52:28is a historical
52:29moment that
52:30all of us
52:30knew that
52:32has been
52:34building for
52:34the last
52:35year and
52:36the real
52:36question is
52:37what we are
52:37going to do
52:38about it.
52:39Are we
52:40going to let
52:41the United
52:43States
52:44continue this
52:45escalation
52:46that could
52:46put in
52:47this is a
52:48very real
52:50threat to
52:50the civilisation
52:52of the
52:52whole world
52:53or as
52:55the people
52:55of the
52:56world are
52:56really going
52:57to rise up
52:57against this
52:58possibility
52:59not only
52:59external to
53:00the United
53:01States but
53:01this is a
53:02call for
53:03the US
53:03citizens
53:04to be
53:06aware that
53:07this is
53:07the historic
53:08situation that
53:09is unfolding
53:09right now.
53:10This is a
53:10call for the
53:11people who
53:12work in
53:13technology
53:14industry for
53:15example we
53:15have seen
53:16in the United
53:17States how
53:17the United
53:18States are
53:19right now
53:20taking possession
53:21of some of
53:22the artificial
53:23intelligence
53:25industries right
53:26now through
53:27military force
53:28they are
53:29threatening
53:30their own
53:32United States
53:33technological
53:34forces to
53:35try to use
53:35them in a
53:36war that is
53:36putting everyone
53:37in danger.
53:39We are seeing
53:39the United
53:40States put in
53:41the interest
53:42of some
53:45military
53:46corporations
53:47in front of
53:49the interest
53:49of the whole
53:50US citizens
53:51in this
53:53moment.
53:54So that's a
53:54call for all
53:55of the people
53:56in the world
53:57and a call
53:58for the US
53:58citizens to
53:59understand what
54:00is unfolding
54:01and the risk
54:02of letting
54:03Donald Trump
54:04and the US
54:04government
54:05going down
54:06this path
54:06because we
54:07are really
54:07seeing a
54:08historical
54:10civilization
54:10of change
54:13possibility
54:14that is
54:14unfolding
54:15upon our
54:15eyes.
54:16That's the
54:16gravity of
54:17the situation.
54:18Eduardo,
54:19from a
54:19human rights
54:19perspective,
54:21how should
54:22this attack
54:22be evaluated
54:24under
54:24international
54:25law?
54:27Well,
54:27under the
54:28international
54:28law,
54:28this is
54:29really,
54:29really clear.
54:30None of
54:30this has
54:31any
54:31legitimacy
54:32or
54:33any
54:35legality.
54:39this is
54:39violating
54:40all
54:40kinds
54:41of
54:41international
54:42law,
54:42international
54:43humanitarian
54:43law.
54:44We are
54:44seeing
54:45the
54:45bombing
54:45of
54:46civilians
54:46right
54:47now
54:48in total
54:49impunity.
54:50So the
54:51violation
54:52of human
54:52rights
54:53is really
54:54clear right
54:54now.
54:55The problem
54:55is that,
54:56as I was
54:56saying
54:58some minutes
54:58ago,
54:59we do not
55:00have
55:00institutions
55:01to defend
55:02human rights
55:03anymore.
55:03the UN
55:04has proven
55:05to not
55:06be able
55:06to do
55:07that.
55:08We have
55:09seen
55:09diplomacy
55:10in the
55:10European
55:11Union
55:11who is
55:12being
55:12said
55:13to be
55:14led
55:14by human
55:15rights
55:15who have
55:16been
55:16totally
55:17unable
55:17to
55:19use
55:19the
55:20levers
55:20that they
55:20have
55:20in the
55:21power
55:21because
55:21they have
55:22economic
55:22levers
55:22and in
55:23those
55:24economic
55:24levers
55:24they
55:26have
55:26integrated
55:27in their
55:28own
55:28procedures
55:29the human
55:30rights
55:30considerations
55:31but they
55:31have never
55:32used
55:32these
55:33human
55:33rights
55:33considerations
55:34for example
55:35for stopping
55:36free trade
55:37agreements
55:37with Israel
55:38or free
55:39trade agreements
55:40with the
55:40United States
55:41we have
55:42not at
55:42all
55:42seen
55:46a stop
55:47of the
55:49military
55:50collaboration
55:51of the
55:51industrial
55:52corporations
55:53of the
55:54European
55:54Union
55:54with Israel
55:56we have
55:56not seen
55:57any
55:58real
55:59confrontation
56:00economic
56:00confrontation
56:01with the
56:01United States
56:02so very
56:03sadly
56:03even if
56:04it is
56:04totally
56:05clear
56:05that what's
56:06going on
56:07right now
56:07is a total
56:07violation
56:08of humanitarian
56:09law
56:09we have
56:10not the
56:11institutions
56:11to make
56:11that
56:12being
56:12respected
56:16so we have
56:18some reactions
56:19from all
56:20over the
56:21world
56:21but
56:21which
56:22reactions
56:23do you think
56:24are the most
56:24important
56:25right now
56:25at this
56:25moment
56:26we have
56:26reactions
56:27from Russia
56:27China
56:28Cuba
56:29was the
56:29first in
56:30Latin America
56:30but which
56:31other countries
56:32are expected
56:33to react
56:33to this
56:34as you
56:34said
56:34the whole
56:35world
56:35needs to
56:36react
56:36and to
56:37to
56:38say
56:38no
56:39to
56:39these
56:40aggressions
56:41and the
56:41hegemonic
56:42power of
56:43the United
56:43States
56:45well I
56:46mean
56:46any
56:47expression
56:48right now
56:50is
56:51important
56:52obviously
56:53the
56:54expressions
56:54of
56:56China
56:57Russia
56:58which are
56:59the big
56:59powers
57:00that can
57:01really
57:03be
57:04that could
57:05be back
57:05in
57:06military
57:08Iran
57:09are the
57:09most
57:10important
57:10obviously
57:11the UN
57:12expressions
57:14will be
57:15important
57:15into a
57:16diplomatic
57:17way
57:19I
57:20think
57:20that
57:21what is
57:21going to
57:22really
57:22make a
57:23change
57:24in all
57:25the
57:26situation
57:26will be
57:27really
57:27the
57:28citizens
57:29all over
57:29the world
57:30being
57:31rising
57:31and being
57:32able to
57:33make
57:33pressure
57:36against
57:37the
57:37governments
57:37we totally
57:38know that
57:38as I
57:39was saying
57:40the
57:40European
57:41Union
57:41has a
57:42lot
57:42of
57:43tools
57:43economic
57:44tools
57:44that
57:44could
57:44put
57:45a lot
57:45of
57:46pressure
57:48against
57:49the
57:50United
57:50States
57:51and
57:51Israel
57:51we
57:52know
57:52that
57:54a
57:55unifying
57:56movement
57:56in
57:57Latin
57:57America
57:57and
57:58in
57:59Europe
58:00in
58:01Africa
58:01in
58:02many
58:02other
58:03continents
58:04could
58:05push
58:05the
58:06governments
58:06to
58:06take
58:06actual
58:07action
58:08against
58:08what's
58:09going on
58:09but
58:10it's
58:10only
58:10this
58:10actual
58:11action
58:11that
58:12we're
58:12speaking
58:12about
58:12military
58:14blocus
58:15meaning
58:16not
58:17sending
58:17any
58:17more
58:18weapons
58:18to
58:19Israel
58:20stopping
58:20contracts
58:21with
58:22military
58:23US
58:23corporations
58:25stopping
58:26trade
58:27agreements
58:27is the
58:28only
58:28way
58:28that
58:29we
58:30really
58:30could
58:30have
58:31an
58:31impact
58:31on
58:32what
58:32is
58:32going
58:32right
58:32now
58:33is
58:33not
58:33only
58:34expressions
58:34in
58:35the
58:35UN
58:36is
58:37not
58:37only
58:37expressions
58:38from
58:39presidents
58:39that
58:40are
58:40only
58:40words
58:41what
58:41we
58:41really
58:42need
58:42right
58:42now
58:42is
58:43a
58:44huge
58:44mobilization
58:45of
58:46citizens
58:47all over
58:47the
58:48world
58:48making
58:49pressure
58:49for
58:49the
58:49governments
58:50to
58:50take
58:50action
58:51much
58:52more
58:52beyond
58:53wars
58:53action
58:54in
58:55economic
58:55sanctions
58:56in
58:56military
58:57blocus
58:58and
58:58actions
58:59that
59:00can
59:00really
59:00have
59:00lasting
59:01impact
59:02an
59:03important
59:03impact
59:03on
59:04the
59:04possibility
59:04of
59:05unfolding
59:06of
59:06this
59:06war
59:07well
59:08thank you
59:09Eduardo
59:09Meneses
59:10for your
59:10insights
59:11in
59:11this
59:11day
59:12of
59:12reactions
59:13and
59:14these
59:15attacks
59:15of
59:15the
59:16US
59:16government
59:17and
59:17Israel
59:18against
59:18the
59:18Iranian
59:19government
59:19thank
59:20you
59:20for
59:21your
59:21time
59:21was
59:21Eduardo
59:22Meneses
59:23a
59:23political
59:24analyst
59:24with
59:24us
59:25today
59:25we
59:25continue
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