00:00My question is this, name a bully in today's NFL, a team.
00:09Can you be a bully in today's NFL?
00:12I mean, I think Seattle probably would have been the closest thing to it this year, right?
00:15But do you even consider them bullies?
00:17No, I don't.
00:17They're just a good defense.
00:17They're a good defense.
00:18Yeah, they're good.
00:19Well, they did it hard.
00:20They were a hard-nosed team.
00:22However, they tackle well.
00:24Yeah, but no, they tackle well.
00:27They hit real hard.
00:27They were aggressive with their tackling.
00:30But, I mean, if you compare them to, like, you know, that ESPN.
00:34Jacked up.
00:35Well, the bullies of Baltimore.
00:36Okay, yeah.
00:37I mean, that whole, you know, show was about that team with Sarah Goosa and Ray and all the characters
00:45on that team.
00:45But they were bullies.
00:46I mean, you know, you think about the Goose.
00:48He would get it out of the playoff game.
00:52Like, that was different than what you see now.
00:55And I don't think those guys could play now.
00:57I don't think you can be a bully in the National Football League.
01:00I think the NFL frowns upon it.
01:02They don't want it.
01:03And once you become, once you get that type of reputation, I think you'll get targeted.
01:07I think you'll get more flags.
01:08I think you'll have officials going after you because they don't want that in the National Football League.
01:12There's a flag, Jeremy, for hitting a defenseless receiver.
01:18Wait a minute.
01:19The ball was snapped.
01:21You ran a route.
01:23The ball was thrown your way.
01:25There should be an expectation of getting hit.
01:27So how are you defenseless?
01:28Well, this is where I would argue with that.
01:31Because I do think they're, like, you have no way of controlling yourself once you leave your feet.
01:36And a defender does.
01:37So if you're coming down and you can get laid out, it's not about tackling.
01:41Like, if you hit a guy after he lands, but you're popping guys, especially if you're launching.
01:46I should let you land before I hit you.
01:48I mean, that's the way it is in the league, man.
01:49It shouldn't be that way.
01:50I think it should be.
01:51I don't think so.
01:52If we're going to take health seriously, you have to do it.
01:54I should be able to jaw the ball from you.
01:57I should not have to sit there and wait for you to land before I hit you.
02:01There used to be a technique.
02:02Like, you know, instead of just trying to get your hand in it, a lot of guys would just time
02:05it.
02:06When the receiver actually just about touched the ball, he would deliver the hit and draw the ball from us.
02:11Like, you're trying to time it, and then you lay the guy out.
02:14Guys get hit early.
02:15And then you get headhunters like Ryan Clark.
02:18And, like, I mean, we can go through all the things.
02:20Those are different things.
02:20I don't want you going after anybody's hit.
02:21That is, that is, that's on, if you played football, that was on the helmet.
02:25We used to take that class in high school about not going helmet to helmet.
02:29That's a different topic.
02:30But if you're going up, and I put those shoulder pads in your gut and draw that ball loose, that
02:37should be a legal football play.
02:40This is what Jeremiah had to say about the bullies of Baltimore.
02:43Yeah, I think big guys.
02:43I think defensively, you know, it's just there's such immense pride in that building for how you play defense, and
02:50it hasn't been up to their standard.
02:52So, you know, when they're at their best, they are big.
02:55They're big everywhere.
02:56You know, it's not just all the, like, big DTs or some big edge-setting guys, but big corners, you
03:02know, big linebackers.
03:03Like, they want to be kind of a bully.
03:04And I think they got away from that a little bit.
03:07And there's some finesse players, some speed players that they brought in.
03:11I looked at them trying to get back to that tenacity and that style.
03:14You got to have speed players in the National Football League.
03:17I don't know what he means by finesse players and speed players.
03:21Well, I mean, I think, like, if you're talking about guys that play fast and you're super athletic Twitch guys,
03:27like, you're going to see more offenses be finesse.
03:30You know, we had a – you can have a smash-mouth offense if you run first and you're constantly
03:35just road-grading teams.
03:37But, like, I think the finesse part usually comes into offense.
03:39But what we're seeing now is more finesse defense.
03:41He said he got – the Ravens got away from the big bullies and got finesse speed guys.
03:46Number one, you got to – you have to have finesse speed guys on the outside for corners.
03:51So, I don't know how you get bullies there.
03:54I don't think – I don't think the interior linemen are finesse speed guys.
03:58I think they are – I don't really understand what David Jeremiah is saying the Ravens defense has become.
04:05Because they still have big guys in the middle.
04:09Yeah, and, I mean, you're talking about finesse guys on the corner.
04:12I assume you're so many people like Wiggins.
04:14Yeah.
04:14Yeah, it's like – yeah, he's the fastest guy in the field.
04:17But doesn't want to tackle.
04:19Yeah, but he also – he's good in coverage and nobody can outrun him.
04:22So, you kind of need that.
04:23You got to have those guys on the outside.
04:25So, I don't – I hear what he's saying about getting back to being bullies.
04:29But I don't know – I don't understand what he's saying, how the Ravens got away from that and got
04:33finesse speed guys.
04:34They do have finesse speed guys where everybody has finesse speed guys because you have to.
04:40I don't know that you can be a bully with the way that the rules are enforced now.
04:43We're saying the same thing on that.
04:46We're saying the same – I don't get that.
04:48Like, again, I think anybody that played Houston to a degree, played Denver, played New England, played Seattle this year,
04:55you would say, damn, that defense was really good.
04:57They didn't beat the hell out of us.
04:59I think there were times you would have looked at Houston and teams that they played went, well, damn.
05:02And then you'd look at Houston's offense and the way they played and go, well, damn.
05:06Well, Houston can get to the quarterback.
05:08Houston can get to the quarterback.
05:10Is that bullies or skill?
05:11Skill.
05:12A skill.
05:13Well, they have a linebacker, Aziz Al Shayer.
05:15He's a bit of a bully.
05:17Late hits sometimes.
05:18Okay.
05:18That's dirty.
05:19Yeah.
05:20Yeah.
05:20But that's his thing.
05:21He's a bully.
05:23If we're going to point to anybody on the Texans, that'd be him.
05:25Okay.
05:25How many times does he get penalized for that?
05:28A lot.
05:30So that's going to get cut out.
05:31I think he's been suspended for it, too, right?
05:33Yeah, absolutely.
05:33Which goes back to what we're saying.
05:35The NFL doesn't want that.
05:37As Joe just said, he's the one that hit Trevor Lawrence.
05:39Let's go to Baltimore and get Roy.
05:42What's up, Roy?
05:44Roy?
05:45Roy?
05:46I feel like we're in Die Hard.
05:48Roy!
05:49Early in the show, you guys posed a question.
05:52Who performed well in the combine?
05:53The combine, boosted their stock out, picked in the first round, right?
05:56I could come to grips with, like, two names.
05:59I think Darius A. Wood Bay, he ran the fastest 40s in combine that year.
06:04But he didn't play well in the NFL.
06:06Yeah, that's the point.
06:07That's what – you kind of answered my question.
06:09But who's the other guy?
06:10Who elevated his stock but played well in the National Football League?
06:13Who's the other guy?
06:15Demarius Thomas.
06:17That's a good one.
06:18So, here, let me just say this with Demarius Thomas, though,
06:20because he was already projected to be hop.
06:22The problem with Demarius Thomas and why people may have been, like,
06:25down on the numbers this senior year, don't forget,
06:28Paul Johnson went there, the former Navy head coach,
06:30and took over Georgia Tech.
06:31He did not transfer out.
06:33He played in that offense, which was, you know, a run-first offense.
06:37It was finally, hey, we got a big play guy we can throw the ball to.
06:40But wasn't he projected to be a first-round pick?
06:44I thought he moved up in the first round.
06:46I thought he was projected – maybe I'm wrong.
06:49There is Haywood Bay is an example of what I was saying, though.
06:52He's a guy that became a combine hero, and the Raiders drafted him, I believe.
06:58Yeah, because that was Al Dave.
06:59It was Al Dave was still alive.
07:00It was the whole thing about speed, baby.
07:03That's all he cared about.
07:04And just before I forget, we talked to the Maryland player in the supplemental draft.
07:07Was it Jared Gaither?
07:08Yeah, we figured that out during the commercial break.
07:10Okay.
07:10And then the Ravens drafted him in the supplemental draft.
07:12Yes, right.
07:13So the other thing with this with Demarius Thomas and what people need to realize is that guy was a
07:17freak of nature.
07:18Like, he had the biggest thighs on a wide receiver I've ever seen in my life.
07:22And I don't remember back to where he was projected in that draft.
07:25I think he was a first-round pick.
07:26I thought he was, but if not, either way, that's a good pick.
07:29Because of his size and his ability.
07:31And again, when he went to the combine, it just would have showed even more.
07:35I'm trying to remember if he ran because I thought he had a foot injury, too.
07:38Let me go back and look at it.
07:40So, 410-583-1057, that's the number.
07:43Baltimore's Big Bad Morning Show on the fan.
07:47Ravens defense.
07:48Ed, you think the Ravens go defense or offense in the first pick?
07:55I'll put it this way.
07:56Do they want to go defense or offense in the first pick?
08:00I'd like them to go defense because I thought that was a bigger problem.
08:04People just seem to move at will on them at times.
08:07So, I mean, to me, I'd like to see them go defense.
08:10But they have offensive needs.
08:11That line's got to be shored up.
08:12So, not sure, but I'm hoping for defense.
08:15Jeremy, if they could pick, if they had their choice,
08:17what do you think they want to go defense or offense?
08:21Yeah.
08:23I mean, look, if you're forcing me to pick,
08:26I'm going to say offense that you end up drafting.
08:28Like, I have some weird feeling they might draft a wide receiver.
08:31I don't know why I'm feeling that.
08:33But, yeah, I think looking at the offensive line.
08:36And, by the way, Demarius Thomas was projected by Manny as a second-to-third-round pick.
08:40So, that's a good pick then.
08:41That's a good one.
08:43But, again, I was right.
08:44He broke his foot.
08:45He had high upside and speed.
08:47I don't know that he ran at the combine because of his broken foot.
08:50So, his stock may have gone up on pro days.
08:53When people started looking at it going,
08:55did you see this guy?
08:56I mean, he's a freak of nature.
08:57He's a freak of nature.
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