00:00Plus, can you hold that sheet up on the fan cam?
00:02Or is that proprietary information?
00:04No, I just was making notes while I was doing, I was watching, doing my show.
00:08Yesterday, I was just watching.
00:09Is that the guys running and working out?
00:11Yeah, I just put down the notes about the things I saw him doing.
00:15Does Sonny Stiles have ridiculous things scribbled next to him?
00:20No, basically, 6'5", 244, 449, 447, verified like 448.
00:26Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous to me.
00:28And he ran smooth, too.
00:30It was a very smooth.
00:31He's a, it's really not surprising.
00:35What do they call it, a gate?
00:36Yeah, but you know, the vertical jump.
00:3943.5 vertical at that size is still surprising, no matter how explosive he looks.
00:43That's ridiculous.
00:43Why didn't he, no one was like, go up front?
00:47Like, anyone trying to pick apart at him being too tall for a linebacker and leverage and getting down and
00:53all that versus, go play DN.
00:55Yeah, it's funny you say that because there's things that you can look at him playing as that, you know,
01:02as that off-ball linebacker.
01:04Yeah.
01:04And I studied him really, really early in the process.
01:09And I was like, yeah, cool, this, you know, this guy's, I mean, if I could, you know, this kid
01:15was recruited as a safety, and he became a linebacker in 2024.
01:21So he hasn't played linebacker very long.
01:24And, you know, his dad has scouted his dad.
01:27But he's, no, it's a very good athlete for the position.
01:31Really good job at being in the right place, right time as a player.
01:34Where you see him out of position in the defense.
01:36Really good with communication, how he works with others.
01:39You can see the way he does it pre-snap.
01:41You know, for a guy, that's kind of a little bit of your safety background.
01:44Where on the crossing routes, where the threats are coming from, where to carry routes.
01:49Yeah, impressive speed for the sides to close on the ball.
01:52These are things you saw, sideline to sideline.
01:55You know, plays down in space, physical player.
01:58I mean, these are all things that you see on tape.
02:01But there's some things where early in the season, he wasn't as good getting off blocks.
02:06This was, you know, you watched him play.
02:09By the time they got to the game that was played here in Indianapolis against Indiana,
02:15he was doing a much better job of playing with his hands.
02:18And maybe that's because, again, being a guy, a former safety player,
02:22and then having to kind of learn the nuances of the game.
02:25Was that a Saban thing, moving safeties to Lennbecher?
02:28I'd have one with Erlacher 25 years ago.
02:30Yeah, he was New Mexico.
02:32And I remember, yeah, it's a good question because I don't have a good answer for you on that one.
02:37I don't mean, that's the thing.
02:38But there's some guys I watched work out yesterday that were linebackers
02:43that I felt like need to be that safety, that nickel role we're all kind of talking about.
02:48I know when we get Coach Parker here, there's going to be some questions.
02:52Remember last year it was the buzzwords were pin and pull and all that.
02:55We were talking about offensive line play.
02:57Well, now with Christian Parker, we're going to be talking about nickel hybrid linebackers,
03:02that kind of stuff.
03:02But, yeah, this guy, when you watched him on tape,
03:07you should not be surprised of how well he worked out yesterday.
03:12You should.
03:13The way he moved and all that, the tape, the tape told you,
03:16I watched the Texas game, watched the Penn State game, just watched this kid play.
03:20It's not, it's, that part of it's not surprising to me.
03:23Bobby, who else were the winners and losers that jumped out?
03:26I'll tell you what, the losers were just guys who were, because of what God measured them at,
03:32which is Cassius Howell and Reuben Bain, both of them coming in with arms that were under 31 inches,
03:37which is...
03:38The Bain arms have taken over here.
03:40Dane Brugler said it yesterday.
03:42I'll take the kid at 12.
03:43Just let him come down the board.
03:44Just let me hand in the card.
03:46Kuyper, Kuyper's talking like he could go between 15 and 20.
03:49You'll be able to get him in the third round now.
03:52Listen, there's this kid, if you watch him play, how many times, by the way,
03:58do we see offensive tackles or blockers fully extend on defensive players?
04:05How many times have you watched a guy and go, wow, he's really full extension on that guy?
04:11If a guy, a tackle, a blocker is full extension on that guy, you know what he's probably?
04:15He's probably over his feet.
04:17He's probably off balance.
04:18He's probably leaning too far.
04:20You know, we...
04:21So you've never cared about arm length?
04:23I do not care about arm length when I watch the kid for 17 weeks defeat blocker after blocker after
04:29blocker.
04:30Yeah.
04:31When you get to a point where you have maybe a deficiency, you have to figure out ways.
04:36What's the one way you can keep somebody from using their long arms on you?
04:41Tell me about it.
04:41You got one?
04:42Anybody got a thought?
04:44How you can keep them?
04:45Speed outside, run around them.
04:46There you go.
04:47Speed, how about slap their hands?
04:49How about push their hands?
04:50Yeah.
04:50How about dip underneath them?
04:51How about as they're trying to get their hands on you, you dip and get underneath and
04:55now they're leaning off balance and you take advantage of the weight transfer.
04:59He does all that.
04:59This kid does all that.
05:01Yeah.
05:01You know, him, Hal, these guys that might have a deficiency physically make up for it for something else.
05:08Bain has, I think, some rare explosive ability to play this game.
05:12The numbers that got attached.
05:14I'll take him at 12.
05:15I have no problem with doing that.
05:16The numbers that got attached to this.
05:18We've never had an edge rusher drafted inside the top 100 with sub 31-inch arms.
05:24Yeah.
05:24What else was there, Choppy?
05:25That was it.
05:26That was the main stat.
05:2730 and 7 eighths and 30 and a quarter for Howell as well.
05:31Cash is Howell.
05:32Would be the shortest arms for an edge rusher drafted in the first round since at least 1999.
05:36And Bain had the third shortest ever, I guess.
05:39Those arm lengths, by the way, those are considered short sometimes for corner.
05:43That is very, very small.
05:45Let me throw another thing at you.
05:46And, Bobby, you're a historian of the combine.
05:49Mm-hmm.
05:50Last year.
05:51He says he is.
05:52Last year, there were, there was, they ran a stat.
05:56Check Dane Bruglers, and I think I have this right.
06:0048 players at the combine that were measured and then went to their pro day, 43 players
06:08out of the 48 had longer arms.
06:13Yeah.
06:14That's longer than what?
06:15Longer than measured here at the combine.
06:17Oh.
06:18That is generally thought to be, oh, I'll put this tape measure some home cooking, though,
06:24like a little bit high.
06:24It's like you're measuring the 40-yard dash at 38 yards.
06:2740, 43 of 48?
06:30Huh?
06:3043 of 48 were changed.
06:32I know.
06:3443 of 48.
06:35But, Brian, but, Brian.
06:36Oh, no, I've sat there.
06:36It's like when you go, I'm clocking you at 38 yards.
06:39But I sat there and watched a guy from the San Diego Chargers F up everybody's hand measurements.
06:44Yeah, I'm like.
06:44I watched him.
06:45I go, the guy's not doing it right.
06:46Does he look, do either of those players look like they have great length, though?
06:50Do either one of those players make explosive plays?
06:53Yeah, I don't have a problem.
06:54I'm just saying, like, they're pretty good.
06:56It's not like, if this was, if this was a kid that was playing, and no offense to Montana Tech
07:02or Utah College for Teachers or whatever.
07:08Brian is anti-teacher.
07:10If we're doing that, if we're doing that, I just watched that kid for 17 weeks play at a really
07:18high level.
07:19He's good.
07:20It's just there's definitely questions about his body type is different.
07:23I have not heard anybody talk about his body type until we got to this place and measured his arm.
07:29No.
07:30No, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian.
07:33I'll bet you we all have longer arms.
07:34Brian, look, the body.
07:36Okay, look, look, look, look.
07:37Be quiet real quick.
07:39Have you guys talked about this player at any time in your shows?
07:43Yes.
07:43Yes.
07:43As a player?
07:44As a player.
07:45Yes.
07:46Yes.
07:46Without talking about arm length.
07:47Yes.
07:47He's getting loud, boys.
07:48Okay.
07:48We just called him a monster.
07:50This has never come up.
07:51Yeah.
07:52This has never come up.
07:52We've talked about him.
07:53But I can maybe save future arguing, even though I think it's great radio.
07:56Would you take him at 12, Bobby?
07:58No, I'm not as big a fan of Bane.
08:00Would you take him at 20?
08:01Okay.
08:02I would take him in the first round.
08:03I just wouldn't take him at 12.
08:04So are the arms a thing for you?
08:06No.
08:07You can use length differently.
08:09Okay.
08:09So he's a bad idea.
08:10There are ways to manipulate things.
08:11Oh, he was about to until I went after him.
08:13No, no, no, because you're still wrong about the body type.
08:16People have talked about his body type.
08:18He is an oddly shaped edge rusher.
08:19I thought he was Brandon Graham.
08:20I thought he was Brandon Graham.
08:21Brandon Graham was talked about as an oddly shaped edge rusher.
08:24But played a million years.
08:26Okay, but here's the thing, Brian.
08:27When we've looked at it in the course of the history of the way we talk about measurements,
08:32is that, Brian, don't get worked up.
08:33Look, when we talk about measurements, Emanuel Forbes, you liked Emanuel Forbes, right?
08:36And the league kept saying, we've never seen anybody that looks like this at the position, though.
08:41And that's terrifying.
08:42The corner at 163 pounds is different.
08:45This is still somebody that is, they've never seen this body type.
08:48Do you think there's a problem that Burrow had small hands?
08:51I'll tell you one thing.
08:53I learned this being around.
08:54Or Vick.
08:55I learned this about, it's funny, the golf thing.
08:58We were standing at the combine.
08:59And Cavanaugh, like, somebody was asking Goff about his small hands.
09:03And Cavanaugh was standing right there.
09:05And he goes, my hands aren't small.
09:07Then Jeff, you hear Jeff going, tell him.
09:09Tell him your hands aren't small.
09:10Tell him your hands aren't small.
09:12Like, Jeff was kind of egging him on.
09:13He got to nine, though, Burrow.
09:15He did get to nine.
09:16Let me tell you what, man.
09:18Joe Burrow playing in cold weather is just fine.
09:21Usually, usually, you're cold weather quarterbacks.
09:22You know, you want to, you know, you were talking about the measurement, hand measurements.
09:26I think you were asking a will about that yesterday or something.
09:29Yeah, I did.
09:30Look, I'm with you.
09:31I'm with you, Broadus.
09:32I'd be doing backflips if you fell.
09:34This team has no pass rushers.
09:36Yep.
09:37I mean, I say that in respect to Donovan Azaraku.
09:39Yeah.
09:40I say that.
09:41As a pure pass rusher, I like it.
09:42They have nobody that can get guys on the ground.
09:44As a pure pass rusher, I like Howell better than I like Bane.
09:50No, I can't go there.
09:51I like Howell.
09:52And I'll tell you this, though.
09:54I think I wouldn't be surprised if they took Howell.
09:57I've said this before.
09:58I think that, I think this.
09:59Not at 12, right, but at 20?
10:01At 20.
10:01At 20, I think they absolutely could.
10:02Yeah, I think they would.
10:03All right, so that was Bane.
10:05That was a good debate, fellas.
10:07My arms are in charge.
10:09What?
10:10That was awful.
10:11Oh, that was your Bane impersonation.
10:13That was pretty bad.
10:15Your boy, Jermon McCoy, continues to have everyone scratching their head around here.
10:20The cornerback, Tennessee, says fully healed from the knee injury and expects to perform
10:25full slate of the pro day.
10:28Pro day.
10:29We're going to wait for the pro day.
10:29We're going to wait for the pro day.
10:30He's not going to do anything here.
10:31He's going to give himself an extra, what?
10:34About three weeks, yeah.
10:36About three weeks, two weeks before the heel.
10:39Understandable, fine, or worry?
10:41I was, I was.
10:42It's grass versus turf, too.
10:44If you're in a situation as well, well, you're going to work out the indoor facility there
10:49in Tennessee.
10:50You're going to work out.
10:50Yeah, that's true.
10:51They're going to work out.
10:52They're not going to.
10:53Unless the scouts request that he runs on the field at Neyland Stadium, I don't think he's
10:59going to do that, but me personally, if I had no time on him or not seen him worked out,
11:05I would worry.
11:06That scared you away from Will Johnson.
11:07Will Johnson, yeah.
11:09And he fell all the way to the second round.
11:12And by the way, Bane.
11:13How long did, oh wait, we're 733.
11:15633.
11:16You're making sense now.
11:18Bane did say, no teams have brought up my arm length in meetings, and people are like,
11:24dude, you didn't get a...
11:25Because they know they're going to measure them again, and it's not going to be...
11:28What's brought up my arms?
11:31People, I heard Jesse Holley talking about this.
11:33Jesse goes, you couldn't have gotten a haircut, man.
11:35You couldn't have got a shape-up coming out here.
11:37Like, you're in front of the entire world, and Bane is like, I have zero hobbies.
11:42I don't care about anything else.
11:44All I care about is football.
11:45Oh, that's a good move.
11:46That's the way to project it.
11:47I think I'm looking at him and believing it.
11:48I'm believing it, though.
11:49Sean would have gone, your mama.
11:51No, he'd show up without a haircut.
11:52That's a solid move.
11:54Although he can duck Bane's reach.
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