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Investigative journalist Jeremy McDermott is on the trail of the most elusive, secretive Narco known as Memo Fantasma.
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00:01Right from the beginning, his alias was the ghost.
00:08Because he always was going to try and live in the shadows.
00:26He's directly linked to some of the most violent, visible narcos in Colombian history, including Pablo Escobar's successor, Don Berman.
00:37Colombia, the ghost is an extraordinarily powerful individual.
00:43One of the most prolific and powerful drug traffickers in Colombia.
00:48Then he disappears.
00:50In 2008, Buffy's gone.
00:54I'm out to track him down, find him.
00:58Not going to let these intimidate me, particularly not this one.
01:01Confront him and expose him.
01:05It's in.
01:06This is not good.
01:07Don't stop here.
01:08Don't stop here.
01:10Ustedes, como no, yo llamo un invisible.
01:13Ustedes están facilitando terrorismo, lavado de activos y narcotráfico.
01:22He lost track of him.
01:24He disappeared.
01:25Like the ghost.
01:42I've been an investigative journalist for the last 25 years.
01:47I'm a former British army officer who made the leap to war correspondent.
01:53Started in Bosnia, moved to the Middle East, and I came to Colombia in 1997.
02:05This was when the civil conflict was at its worst.
02:11Left-wing guerrillas seeking to overthrow the government, and then pitted against them were right-wing paramilitaries.
02:18But they've all been fed by drug trafficking.
02:25Cocaine has been the fuel on the fire.
02:35But from 2004 to 2006, there's a turning point in the conflict.
02:43In a place known as Ralito, in the north of the country in Córdoba department.
02:50The right-wing paramilitary army of the AUC, the most powerful drug trafficking organization in the world, sits down to
02:59negotiate with the government.
03:02Ralito is the largest gathering of narcos in history.
03:08A who's who of the most powerful and violent drug barons in Colombia.
03:15Mancuso, Carlos Castaño, Pablo Sevillano, Macaco, Don Berna.
03:27And with these kingpins, a mysterious figure.
03:33He never appeared in public at Ralito.
03:38Deliberately stayed away from the cameras.
03:44But he did sign a key AUC document entitled
03:50United for Peace.
03:54So we've got Mancuso.
03:56We've got Don Berna.
03:57We've got Macaco.
03:58We know all of these names until we get to here.
04:03Sebastián Colmenares.
04:05Who is he?
04:06And why is he in such distinguished criminal company?
04:11Sebastián Colmenares was, according to this document,
04:15one of the most important paramilitary commanders there were.
04:19An extraordinarily powerful individual.
04:24A person who we believe is responsible for smuggling tons of drugs to the mainland United States.
04:38And then he disappears.
04:41In 2008,
04:44off he's gone.
04:48What I want to know is, where did he go?
04:51What's he doing now?
04:52Where is Sebastián Colmenares today?
05:05The paramilitaries all signed their documents with aliases.
05:12So we assumed that Sebastián Colmenares was an alias.
05:19I ran the name past my underworld sources.
05:26But I drew a blank.
05:31Then there's a breakthrough.
05:34We get word from a high-ranking ex-narco that Sebastián Colmenares also went by another alias.
05:58Memo is Will in Spanish.
06:00And fantasma is a ghost.
06:02So the literal translation of Memo fantasma is he's Will the ghost.
06:08And this alias has been whispered through the Medellín underworld for years.
06:17I was meeting with an informant in Mexico.
06:21And that name Memo fantasma came up.
06:24The name is always stuck with me.
06:26Because who could forget a name like Memo fantasma?
06:30Memo fantasma has been in the business since 1995, approximately.
06:47Memo fantasma is clearly well known in the criminal world.
06:54But when I begin to question Colombian police sources, we hit a brick wall.
07:01Some just say, never heard of it, which can't be possible.
07:05Others say, ask me something else, Jerry.
07:09Don't go there.
07:13We get nothing.
07:15Nothing.
07:15Not a whisper from the police sources.
07:18And this is an alarm bell.
07:20How is it possible that a name that has widespread recognition in the underworld is completely unknown to the police?
07:32The most obvious and alarming explanation is they know who Memo fantasma is and he is being protected.
07:45Then we get a contact from inside the U.S. government who's prepared to go on the record.
07:59Peter Vincent was a senior figure in the U.S. Embassy in Bogotá from 2006 to 2009.
08:08I'm just going to jump straight into it.
08:11Tell me, have you ever heard of a name Memo fantasma and in what context?
08:16I'm starting to hear rumors and whispers about Memo fantasma, the so-called narco ghost, in Bogotá, Colombia from 2006
08:25until 2009.
08:27And this mysterious character was very much involved in both narco trafficking and paramilitary activity.
08:34Even prior to the paramilitaries, he was actually an associate of Paco Escobar.
08:47Did you know who he was working with in the paramilitaries?
08:51It was always my opinion that Memo fantasma was actually a leader of the central Bolivar bloc, which, as you
08:59well know, was responsible for the slaughter of anywhere from 10,000 to 15,000 people.
09:07It was engaging in massive amounts of narco trafficking and, frankly, crimes against humanity and genocide.
09:16So, for you, there's no doubt that Memo fantasma was playing in the big leagues?
09:21There's no doubt whatsoever that Memo fantasma was not only playing in the big leagues, but he was actually directing
09:26quite a bit of this.
09:30We knew he was involved, and then he disappeared like a ghost.
09:36And we lost track of him.
09:39Peter Vincent puts him right at the top of the big leagues.
09:45He's a top drug trafficker who was an integral part of the paramilitary army.
09:51Great. Thank you very much.
09:53Bye-bye.
09:54We're on the right track, and he's a big player.
09:57And if we can expose him, it's a potential game-changer.
10:08According to Peter Vincent, Memo fantasma was part of the central Bolivar bloc, or BCB.
10:17One of the most powerful paramilitary units in the AUC, headed by the notorious warlord known as Makako.
10:28Makako inspired fear.
10:31And a source tells me that Sebastián Colmenares, a.k.a. Memo fantasma, was in business with Makako, alias Javier
10:42Montañez.
10:47Memo se une a la AUC y se convierte en socio-igualitario 50-50 con Makako.
10:54It's a eureka moment.
10:57Memo fantasma was Makako's business partner.
11:04All of our sources said Makako was muscle and territory.
11:11Memo was money and drug trafficking.
11:15Makako was visible.
11:17Memo is invisible.
11:18They are partners, but the aim is the same.
11:23To build BCB into a powerful drug trafficking organization.
11:34By the early 2000s, they've got significant territorial control across many different parts of the country, all important for drug
11:43trafficking.
11:45And they are moving tens of tons of cocaine and generating tens of millions of dollars.
11:56At the height of BCB's power, Sebastián Colmenares, a.k.a. Memo fantasma, is one of the most prolific and
12:07powerful drug traffickers in Colombia.
12:13Fast forward to 2006.
12:16At Jalito Don Berna and the paramilitary leaders decide to take a deal offered by the government.
12:24To avoid extradition, they consent to eight years of soft detention in Colombia and agree to leave their criminal pasts
12:33behind them.
12:35Sebastián Colmenares has a choice.
12:38He could take the golden parachute, but Memo fantasma, it seems, has other ideas.
12:47He's going to leave Sebastián Colmenares and consign him to history.
12:55Memo fantasma wants to continue in the drug trade.
13:03He quits the peace process and vanishes.
13:12Three years later, that proves to be a very smart choice.
13:16In 2008, Don Berna, along with Macaco, Mancuso, and the paramilitary high command were all expelled from the peace and
13:31justice system.
13:32They were extradited to the United States.
13:39They all get long sentences and maximum security prisons.
13:46Don Berna gets 30 years.
13:53But his invisible associate, Memo fantasma, escapes this fate.
13:59He's never extradited, never arrested, never even charged with a crime.
14:08But he's made one mistake.
14:13When Memo fantasma signed that document as Sebastián Colmenares,
14:19he, very briefly, became visible.
14:24And I think he's going to regret that.
14:34So now we've got confirmation that Sebastián Colmenares is Memo fantasma,
14:42is a key part of the AUC, the paramilitary army.
14:46We just need his real name.
14:52For us, the obvious place to start digging is in the peace and justice files.
15:01They contain the proceeds of the entire paramilitary history, including the Ralito gathering.
15:08Thousands of hours of testimony from members of the AUC.
15:15We pick up the first solid evidence of Memo fantasma in a taped interview
15:21in which a peace and justice prosecutor is questioning a former BCB member, alias Nico.
15:28Nico is clearly under pressure from BCB leaders.
15:45It was clear that the top level of the BCB were trying to hide Memo fantasma and Sebastián Colmenares.
15:56Who is Memo fantasma?
15:58Memo fantasma was the second person after the BCB was in the office.
16:02And who is? Where is he? Where is he? Where is he? Where is he?
16:05Memo fantasma is from Brigado Antioquia.
16:08How is he called?
16:09The name of me, because I was with him.
16:12I was with him. I was with him. I was with him.
16:13He was with him. He was called Guillermo Camacho.
16:17No exists that name in the registraduría.
16:19We have been looking, looking, looking, with all the registradurias.
16:24Yo he mandado órdenes de policía judicial. He hecho inspección judicial.
16:28Ese nombre me creí.
16:29Bueno, la chiapa de él siempre fue Sebastián Colmenares o Memo fantasma.
16:36We had no more luck than the prosecutor.
16:39We couldn't find any Guillermo Camacho either.
16:47Then we find alias Pablo Cevillano's file.
16:51He's a top drug trafficker who was an integral part of the paramilitary army.
16:57And as it happens, his first name is Guillermo, or Memo for short.
17:02He's directly asked, are you Memo Fantasma?
17:07Pablo Cevillano responds saying, I am not Memo Fantasma.
17:13Memo Fantasma is Guillermo Acevedo.
17:19Well, this is it.
17:21This is a legal document naming Memo Fantasma as Guillermo Acevedo.
17:30But is Cevillano telling the truth?
17:33Is Guillermo Acevedo Memo's real name, or is it just another alias?
17:40And if it is real, can we find an ID number and a photograph?
17:49So we go to Bogotá's Chamber of Commerce.
17:52It's 900 guiondos.
17:55And we get a hit.
17:57Guillermo Acevedo has a company, ASEM.
18:01But what we're really looking for is the ID card of all of the shareholders.
18:12We get to Guillermo Acevedo.
18:17We've got his name in full.
18:19We've got where the ID was issued.
18:21And we've got his ID card number.
18:29But the photo is black.
18:31And I don't believe that was a coincidence.
18:44Our ideal scenario is to find a series of properties and companies linked to Guillermo Acevedo to Memo.
18:55So we can say, look, this guy is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
19:00How can he possibly justify it?
19:01We find 12 companies that we can link to Guillermo Acevedo.
19:08But one stands out.
19:10Between 2006 and 2008, Guillermo Acevedo was involved in a property development project in an exclusive part of Bogotá with
19:20a company called Itos Urbanos.
19:24Itos Urbanos is owned by the vice president of Colombia, Marta Lucia Ramirez,
19:30and a husband, Álvaro Rincon.
19:34The land was subsequently used to construct the high-rise building, Torre 85.
19:41Very significant property development in Bogotá.
19:48Clearly, Guillermo Acevedo has been involved in large property deals with members of Colombian High Society.
19:57We don't know where he is or what he looks like.
20:03But we have a lot more information now, so I hit up my contacts one more time.
20:12We get a photo from a source.
20:15It's very bad quality.
20:20It's the copy of a photocopy of a black-and-white passport photo.
20:30There he is, ghost no more.
20:34Our quarry now had a face.
20:36But it's of such bad quality that we can't blow it up.
20:40And it's just not enough to go to sources and say,
20:43is this Memo Fantasma?
20:48Then, we get an extraordinary tip.
20:53Holy, that's him!
20:57In a freak chance, Memo Fantasma appears, unknowingly, in a hidden camera show.
21:12And sure enough, there he was.
21:15So we had two photos from two different sources and clear enough for us to take to our sources
21:22and say, is this Guillermo Acevedo Memo Fantasma?
21:28This initially proves extremely difficult.
21:32Memo Fantasma really scares people.
21:37And none of my underworld sources, initially, are prepared to go on the record.
21:47But we find Carlos Mateos, alias Paquita.
21:54He's a commander in Bloque Central Bolívar.
22:01A key drug trafficking source
22:05who had a foot in both the Medellin Underworld and the paramilitary army.
22:13One of Macaco's trusted lieutenants.
22:18Eso es Memo Fantasma, también conocido como Sebastián Colmenares.
22:41We had a face in Memo Fantasma.
22:43But it's a crucial breaking point for the whole story.
22:47¿Cuándo fue la primera vez que usted lo vio?
22:51La primera vez que yo lo vi fue a finales del año 2001.
22:55Y él llega con Julián Bolívar, que era otro comandante del Estado Mayor del BCB.
23:01Llega en un helicóptero.
23:03Creí que era alguien de la seguridad.
23:07What's great about Paquita's story is that initially he didn't know who Memo was.
23:15He sees a helicopter land for a summit of top paramilitary commanders.
23:21And he sees Memo step off the helicopter and go and greet the top commanders.
23:27As an equal, indeed, some of them deferred to him.
23:32Paquita says, who is that guy?
23:35And one of his superiors says, that's Memo Fantasma.
23:41Es un muchacho, una apariencia joven.
23:46Él es una apariencia muy joven, como siempre civil.
23:50Y entonces, más tarde, usted pudo averiguar que Memo fue socio de Macaco.
23:58¿Cómo usted ve él dentro de la cúpula?
24:02Mi percepción, yo lo veo, diría, un poco más arriba de Macaco.
24:08¿Usted pasó a tiempo con Macaco casi en la misma salda, si me acuerdo?
24:14Sí.
24:16El Macaco con la actividad de incorporar a todos al proceso que él lo hizo.
24:21Yo le pregunto, ¿qué el amigo o el socio del qué?
24:25And Macaco told him, Memo has left me just the bones.
24:30Memo's got all the meat and all the good stuff.
24:34And Macaco's been left with the remains.
24:38Macaco's turned himself in as part of the peace process.
24:41Memo's still on the outside.
24:42He's making the money.
24:44He's still got the power.
24:49Also willing to go on the record is former Colombian prosecutor, Cruz Elena Aguilar.
24:56Yo conocí a Memo Fantasma a mediados de los 90 en Medellín.
25:01Cruz Elena Aguilar is eminently qualified to identify Memo Fantasma.
25:08She mixed with Medellín's top narcos in the search block during the hunt for Pablo Escobar.
25:28The fact that she and alias Paquita can clearly identify Memo Fantasma is our proof that Sebastián Colmenares, Memo Fantasma
25:41and Guillermo Acevedo are one and the same.
25:44It's a dumb deal for us.
25:47Now, we just have to find him.
25:50But from 2014 to 2015, he drops off the radar.
25:55So we went back to our sources who said, he's left the country.
26:03He's moved to Spain.
26:06OK.
26:18I want confirmation photographic that he's there.
26:23I want confirmation of his residence.
26:26I want confirmation of his offices.
26:28Gracias.
26:31If we can get all that evidence in hand, then it'll be time for me to go to Madrid.
26:50This, we're hoping, is going to be the closing chapter in the hunt for our invisible Memo Fantasma.
26:59According to the contacts here, he is in Madrid right now.
27:05We found a company that he'd set up in Madrid.
27:09Millions of euros.
27:13I really feel we're in the final stretch.
27:16And a guy who has been invisible now for well over a decade, maybe, just maybe, we're going to shine
27:23the light on him.
27:29We're about to meet our contact.
27:31He's been scooping up information on Memo Fantasma and his movements.
27:36We're hoping that he's got the information we need to plan our next steps.
27:44¿Sí, lo encontraste?
27:46Sí.
27:48¿Aquí en Madrid o afuera?
27:51Sí.
27:51Y la otra cosa clave es la foto.
27:56Sí.
28:02That is definitely Memo.
28:07A little bit older.
28:11But it's him.
28:17So now, I'm just going to find these addresses on the map, so we can plan our attack.
28:29We'll hit the lawyers first, right here in the centre of town.
28:33Then we've got a house, but this is on the outskirts of town, towards the airport.
28:39Hopefully, we'll get a message to him, and maybe even see him.
28:51So the first stop is the lawyers.
28:58We want to make sure that this letter gets into his hands,
29:02as this is going to be the first official notice of his right to reply to our accusations.
29:15What's going to be interesting now is the response from the lawyers.
29:18I've left my phone number at the bottom of all the letters.
29:21If he wants to reach me, he will certainly know how to do it.
29:28Muy buenos días.
29:29Hola, buenos días.
29:30Me llamo Jeremy McDermott.
29:31Sí.
29:32Me gustaría encontrar el contacto de uno de sus clientes, Guillermo Acevedo.
29:38No le paso por el símbolo de casa.
29:41Ok.
29:42Hola.
29:43¿Cómo está?
29:44¿Qué tal?
29:45¿Quién se sucede con él?
29:47Jeremy McDermott.
29:48¿Y por qué quería hablar con Guillermo?
29:50Porque estamos escribiendo un artículo sobre él, sobre narcotráfico, levado de activos y terrorismo.
29:56Ese es su derecho de responder a las acusaciones.
30:02Vale.
30:04Es que no tengo ni idea de nada.
30:06Lo siento.
30:07Pero...
30:08Porque me incluso me sorprende bastante esto, esta visita.
30:12Esa fue la idea.
30:15¿De qué le llamen?
30:16Entonces, eso es interesante porque ahora usted ha admitido que él es cliente de usted.
30:22No, no he hecho nada.
30:23Vamos para ayudar con el cliente.
30:24Jeremy McDermott.
30:25Mucho gusto.
30:26¿Qué ha hablado?
30:27No me he mencionado ninguna, porque no somos osavos.
30:32Pero su empresa está registrada aquí, ¿cierto?
30:35Tengo la contabilidad de una sociedad.
30:40¿Y ya está?
30:42Nós não temos autorização de Guilherme
30:44a fazer nenhum sobre isso, não.
30:46Por que você não vai receber
30:48uma carta para ele?
30:49Guilherme não tem aqui seu domicilio.
30:51Não, seu domicilio é...
30:54Pois vai, pois...
30:55Pois aí, vai lá.
30:56Olha, eu conheço toda a agendita.
30:58E você é, de verdade, periodista.
31:02Enquanto você se vai lá, eu não vou falar.
31:10Então,
31:11nós precisamos colocar um envelope
31:12em sua casa.
31:15Isso me faz um pouco nervoso.
31:17O que eu vou fazer se ele está lá?
31:19Como eu vou jogar isso?
31:22Eu tenho algumas pessoas
31:23sérias em direção
31:25em caso as coisas começam
31:27a ir para o lado.
31:37Então, nós estamos no outskirtes de Madrid.
31:39Um absolutamente maravilhoso.
31:41São deslizados para as pessoas
31:44que realmente gostam de privacidade.
31:48Depois da cena em uma oficina
31:50onde as coisas foram extremamente hostiles,
31:54eu acho que nós precisamos
31:55de ir para a casa muito rápido
31:57agora,
31:58então,
31:59não há tempo para qualquer tipo de preparação.
32:04Ele é certamente
32:05no stranger
32:06de violência.
32:08Ele vai tentar
32:09acabar com a investigação
32:11através de muito abrupto
32:12e brutal de maneira.
32:17Aqui nós vamos.
32:19Estamos chegando
32:21a main gate
32:22da uma cidade
32:22da uma cidade.
32:24Isso não é bom.
32:26Não está aqui.
32:27Não está aqui.
32:31O que eu espero
32:32é que
32:33é que nós estamos bastante sérios.
32:38Nós temos algumas
32:39acusações bastante alarmantes
32:41e
32:42pode ser hora
32:43para ele nos engajar.
32:45Não vou deixar
32:46essas pessoas me
32:47intimidar,
32:48particularmente não essa.
32:52Olá, como está?
32:53Con Guillermo Acevedo, por favor,
32:56de parte de
32:56Jeremy McDonough.
33:09O que é isso?
33:27Ele não está.
33:29Ele vai deixar isso, se ele pode entregar, por favor.
33:32Muito amável, obrigado.
33:36Excel não está.
33:40Ele está aberto, se ele decidir me contactar.
33:45Meu sentimento é que nós estamos levando ele por um choque agora.
33:49Ele recebeu um call de seus advogados, e agora nós estamos ligados para o seu gate.
33:55Então, eu acho que ele está pensando muito bem sobre como jogar.
34:01Quando eu vejo pessoas como Memo Fantasma vivendo a vida alta em Madrid,
34:06ele me deixou com um sentimento profundo de frustração.
34:11O único jeito que Memo pode ficar sem o radar, para mim,
34:16foi porque ele conseguiu corromper,
34:19no nível muito alto,
34:22os institutos do Estado.
34:23Se Memo Fantasma tiveram um pass,
34:27de qualquer organização internacional de law enforcement,
34:30seria porque ele lhe dava informação valiosa.
34:35Tão valiosa,
34:36que eles estavam preparados para ele deixá-lo do hook.
34:41Um par de fontes do mundo do mundo sugere que Memo
34:47mandou-lhe o suficiente informação para eles
34:51conviver a Macaco sem dúvidas de perguntas.
34:57Memo se lhe voltou a Macaco
34:59e entregou-lhe aos gringos para salvar-se ele
35:02e não ter que pagar um só dia de casa.
35:07Em julio de 2019,
35:09Macaco foi voltado à Colombia
35:11depois de 11 anos de incarceration nos Estados Unidos.
35:15Ele agora enfrenta até 40 anos de prisão em Colômbia,
35:19enquanto Memo viveu em Madrid.
35:24Macaco odeia-lhe profundamente.
35:34This, from a security point of view,
35:36is perhaps the most dangerous and delicate time.
35:39He now knows who I am.
35:43He now knows that we have a very strong story against him.
35:49This leaves him very few options.
35:51One of the options might be violence.
35:56And so, yeah, this is definitely a worry.
36:08Hello?
36:10Hola, señor Guillermo, como está?
36:15Bien, bien, gracias por llamar.
36:18He seems very keen to engage.
36:21Amanda, no, no mencionamos nada de eso.
36:25Estamos, sí, interesados en publicar un artículo.
36:27Entonces, por esta razón, quisimos hablar con usted.
36:29And I'm not surprised.
36:31This is the guy that I think we're dealing with.
36:35Highly intelligent.
36:37Extremely reasonable.
36:38He was extremely polite.
36:40Entonces, usted es Guillermo León Acevedo Giraldo, ¿sí?
36:45Colombiano.
36:46Con cédula de Envigado, ¿cierto?
36:50Eso.
36:51Es que yo estoy haciendo una investigación sobre Memo Fantasma y alias Sebastián Colmenares.
36:58Y yo creo que eso es usted.
37:02Esta persona es narcotraficante y miembro de las Autodefensas Unidos de Colombia.
37:07He denies categorically that he is Memo Fantasma and that he is alias Sebastián Colmenares.
37:14Entonces, usted tampoco ha trabajado con alias Macaco, Carlos Mario Jiménez, en el Bloque Central Bolívar.
37:27No, yo tengo casi 11 fuentes que ha identificado su foto como Memo Fantasma y como Sebastián Colmenares.
37:39He's extremely alarmed by the allegations that I laid out in the lawyer's office.
37:45And he believes he can refute them all.
37:47Usted tiene mucho que hablar porque hay gente que está intentando pintarle de varias cosas.
37:55Uno es narcotraficante.
37:56Otro es financiador de las Autodefensas.
38:00Uno es asesino.
38:03Otro, más reciente, es haciendo lavado de activos.
38:07His next line of defense was he has no charges pending or arrest warrants pending.
38:13No, en este momento, eso realmente es la cosa que más me impresiona de usted.
38:18Usted no tiene ningún orden de cabo.
38:21No, usted ha podido borrar sus rastros muy bien.
38:26Me imagino que usted ha trabajado como informante para Estados Unidos.
38:31Y usted es como, yo llamo un invisible.
38:59Y usted no tiene una casa en el poblado.
39:03No está involucrado en el Torre 85 en Bogotá.
39:07He admitted to involvement in the enormous development in Bogotá known as Torre 85, Tower 85.
39:15The other parties in that deal are not exactly nobody's.
39:19The Colombian vice president and her husband.
39:25Por favor, eso sería fabuloso.
39:28He has promised to send me an email so that he can refute, one by one, the accusations we are
39:35placing against him.
39:38The first email is incredibly polite.
39:40He thanks me for my time and kindness.
39:43He says he wants to clarify any misunderstandings and is willing to assist me in any way possible.
39:50I respond by telling him what our accusations are, including that he informed Don Macaco was present for the torture
39:57and murder of an associate.
40:01Acevedo directly denies these accusations, calling them vile and a great big lie.
40:06He says my sources are maliciously trying to ruin his reputation and that he's never been involved in a crime
40:13of any kind.
40:15He says he wants to meet in person, never follows through, just keeps stalling until he refuses to speak, except
40:23through his lawyers.
40:32Memo Phantasma, for me, is an example of a successful invisible.
40:40The key to invisibility is corruption.
40:43You've got to prevent being identified by police, prosecutors, judicial system.
40:50The best way to do that is to have these bodies on the payroll.
41:02The likelihood is...
41:06Memo is protected by someone in government, in the police or in the security forces.
41:17What happens occasionally in some of these cases, it's that somebody is able to cooperate to such a degree that
41:24the government decides to give them a pass.
41:26Now, I've had clients that I've been able to do that for them, but it is rare.
41:31What I think distinguishes Memo from some of these other guys that I, for example, have represented is that I
41:37don't think he missed a step.
41:42Memo Phantasma, in my view, will never be brought to justice.
41:46And certainly I have no faith that the Colombian law enforcement authorities are going to do anything against him.
41:51I think they're already bought and paid for.
41:54And they're already bought and paid for.
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