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00:00:01Comment vous expliquez ce qui est semblable ?
00:00:05C'est même difficile de vous faire croire.
00:00:07Ce qui était une histoire si bien fait que personne ne pouvait croire vous ?
00:00:12Lo et behold, ici c'est ce qui est encore.
00:00:14Vous vous gardez un secret ?
00:00:16Je ne sais pas ce que c'était.
00:00:18Ou vous avez un expérience avec le monde ?
00:00:21Quand vous parlez de ça, ça fait plus real.
00:00:25C'est un peu comme un hommage, juste un peu m'aimait.
00:00:30Et ce que c'est que c'était avec l'extraterrestrial ?
00:00:34Je vais vous présenter les creatures qui étaient abordent la crainte.
00:00:41C'est la curiosité de Charles Hickson et Calvin Parker,
00:00:46qui a l'histoire de l'alien abduction en 1973 grippait le nation.
00:00:52Tout le monde a l'alien, c'est l'alien, c'est l'alien.
00:00:54Et quand plus des eyewitnesses surfacés sur les années...
00:00:58Soudain, il y a un insurgent de beaucoup de reports.
00:01:01Il y a un énorme nombre de UFO sightings, et tout le monde a l'alien.
00:01:05C'est la question, est-ce que nous sommes vraiment en l'alien dans le univers ?
00:01:11Et est-ce que nous sommes même prêts pour la vérité ?
00:01:15Je pense qu'on peut tous avoir le même sentiment de validation,
00:01:18que nous n'avons pas fait ça.
00:01:20Comment peut-être que beaucoup de gens imaginent la même chose à l'alien ?
00:01:24À l'alien de l'alien ?
00:01:50La réunions-consuming city harbors a mystery that has endured for decades.
00:01:55Beneath its quiet streets and scenic charm lies a story that shook the world.
00:02:01A tale of unexplainable encounter that forever altered the lives of two men
00:02:07and those who bore witness to it.
00:02:09These three figures was coming toward us, and there wasn't nowhere to run.
00:02:20When Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker decided to go fishing after work,
00:02:25nobody could have predicted what would happen next.
00:02:28We was fishing right where the power poles are.
00:02:31There's a little pier.
00:02:33But the fishing spot they chose was on private property.
00:02:36I said, Charlie, we're going to go to jail for trespassing down here.
00:02:40He said, no, I fish here all the time.
00:02:43I was fishing, and I noticed a reflection off the water, some hazy blue lights.
00:02:50And that is the color of the lights that the law has around here.
00:02:54And, of course, there's no trespassing signs up, and I figured me and Charlie was going to jail.
00:03:01In hindsight, going to jail probably would have been the better option for the pair,
00:03:07as what they went on to experience altered their lives forever.
00:03:13You know, my skin was kind of standing up.
00:03:16So I don't know if I was afraid of going to jail or afraid that something else was going to
00:03:21happen.
00:03:23This case primarily features two very ordinary men.
00:03:29But on the night of October the 11th, 1973, on the Pascagoula River in Mississippi,
00:03:39these two ordinary men encountered the extraordinary.
00:03:46And I come here and I think about Charlie and his bad thoughts
00:03:50because I don't like to think about what happened to us or him breaking the story.
00:03:58I feel betrayed by him because we agreed we was going to keep this quiet, and we didn't.
00:04:12I never spoke to my dad about it until I got home from the Marine Corps.
00:04:17And the night we sat down and talked about it, he was telling me what happened,
00:04:22and all of a sudden he had tears, and it was just flowing down his face.
00:04:30And I asked him, I said, what's wrong?
00:04:32He said, son, he said, I spent 20 months and 16 days in combat in Korea.
00:04:38I was scared.
00:04:40He said, I've never had anything to scare me like these things did.
00:04:44It scared the hell out of me because I just knew I was going to jail,
00:04:47and it's going to cost money to get out for trespassing.
00:04:51It got our attention, let me put it like that.
00:04:53I now firmly believe that this case, when it comes to close encounter cases,
00:05:00is probably the best documented case on the record.
00:05:05I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
00:05:08But just what did these two men see?
00:05:12What had they experienced on this fateful night in 1973?
00:05:18The craft came down to the west and landed just about where that big pilot is.
00:05:23out there, which was laying.
00:05:26It kind of shocked their eyes there for a little while.
00:05:30You could tell that it was oval-shaped.
00:05:34It had two portholes on top, and you could see lights coming out of that.
00:05:40It has the ability to change colors.
00:05:44This started out in a hazy blue, then it kind of a bluish green.
00:05:50And then I seen some red somewhere, and I'm not for sure that the red come from the craft,
00:05:57because there was a car parked over there, and it might have been the brake lights off the car or
00:06:03something.
00:06:03But there was a little bit of red.
00:06:06But then the door opened, and the lights got bright, because the lights was coming from the inside.
00:06:13They was blinding.
00:06:15The lights were, so it kind of shocked their eyes there for a little while.
00:06:22But the door just slid open, and the lights was from the inside.
00:06:26And almost immediately, it seemed like the end of the craft opened up some way, and three things came out
00:06:35of it.
00:06:35These three figures was coming toward us.
00:06:39You could tell they was bulky-looking creatures, like football players or something.
00:06:43And they was gliding across the swamp grass, and there wasn't nowhere to run.
00:06:50There was debris on the left, debris on the right, and water on the front.
00:06:54With nowhere to run, the men froze in fear as three figures from the aircraft floated towards them.
00:07:02Two of them got a hold of Charlie, one of them got a hold of myself.
00:07:07And they gave us, gave me a go-to-hell shot.
00:07:10I didn't care.
00:07:11I know they gave Charlie one, too.
00:07:13He said they did.
00:07:15They gave us the shot in the left arm here, and that calmed us down.
00:07:25Just what were these beings that Calvin and Charles saw that night?
00:07:29Why were they here, and where did they come from?
00:07:39These three figures was coming toward us.
00:07:45You could tell they was bulky-looking.
00:07:51They was gliding across the swamp grass.
00:07:58There wasn't no separation to the legs, and the feet looked like a pair of work boots.
00:08:05The only moving parts was their arms, and their hands was like crab claws or mittens.
00:08:13Couldn't really tell what it was.
00:08:16And believe me, I wasn't looking that hard.
00:08:18I was trying to think about getting out of there.
00:08:21He said, I didn't know what they were, where they came from, and I was so afraid they were going
00:08:26to take me away.
00:08:28And nobody would ever know what happened to us.
00:08:31There'd be you, your mom, your brothers and sisters, and they would never find Calvin and I.
00:08:38And so I knew right then my father was telling the truth.
00:08:44Fact or fiction, the close encounter story of Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson is one of the most compelling in
00:08:52history.
00:08:52When it comes to cases like this, the argument goes three ways.
00:08:57Not sure what it is, you know, leave it open-ended.
00:09:00The argument that it's extraterrestrial, or that there's some kind of psychological explanation for it.
00:09:09You know, take your pick.
00:09:10When it comes to the Pascagoula case, specifically, it's even been claimed that it was some kind of military experiment
00:09:17that took place that night.
00:09:20But, you know, the list is endless, it really is.
00:09:23And if witnessing a UFO wasn't scary enough, what happened next would stay with the two men for the rest
00:09:31of their lives.
00:09:39And I seemed to just raise up to the level that they were, which they were about a foot or
00:09:46a foot and a half off of the ground.
00:09:49And they carried me inside of the spacecraft.
00:09:54Once aboard the craft, the two men were separated, with each taken to a different room by the beings.
00:10:00And what they had to experience next was more fitting for a sci-fi movie.
00:10:05I didn't see Charlie no more when I went aboard.
00:10:08They took a left turn, went about 10, 15 foot down the hallway,
00:10:13and then they turned right into what I call an examination room.
00:10:21And he said, they took us in that thing.
00:10:24He said, I'm assuming they took Calvin in.
00:10:27He said, but they took me in first.
00:10:29And he said, it was like being in an extremely bright light bulb.
00:10:36He said, it was blinding.
00:10:39And he said, I remember seeing this thing, I guess it was a wall, come out and to my face,
00:10:49went down my body.
00:10:51Because he said, I felt like I was suspended in air at a 45 degree angle.
00:10:56And went around my body twice and came back around and back to my face and just disappeared back into
00:11:04wherever it came from.
00:11:07Charles' experience brings up some questions.
00:11:10Why had he been chosen?
00:11:13What were they examining him for?
00:11:15And where was the information they were gathering going to go?
00:11:23And he told me they got a hold of him and took him back out.
00:11:29And he said, Calvin was standing out there by the river with his arms outstretched facing the river.
00:11:41And he said, he was in a state of shock.
00:11:45When I seen him, he seemed to be going in shock.
00:11:47I've seen many men in shock.
00:11:49And he seemed to be going in shock.
00:11:55Just what had Calvin experienced that night that had left him in such a state?
00:12:00What did he see?
00:12:02What did he witness?
00:12:04And how did it affect him?
00:12:07He laid me on my back and I was facing the ceiling.
00:12:12When I was laying on the table, this big ugly thing that brought me in went to a corner and
00:12:17just shut down.
00:12:19And then there was something about the size of the deck of the car to come out of the ceilings.
00:12:24It come down within a foot and a half of my head.
00:12:27And it rotated around my head.
00:12:29But each time it would go around, you could hear it click, click, click.
00:12:33And what he experienced next stuck with Calvin for the rest of his life.
00:12:42I was laying on the table and that thing that clicked was running around my head.
00:12:47And that's when I noticed I heard a noise, which wasn't a loud noise, but I just felt a presence.
00:12:56And that's when she'd come out of another room and put her finger down my throat.
00:13:09I started bleeding and there was a lot of blood on me.
00:13:14She kind of, she, I called her a she, backed up out of the way and made a noise like
00:13:21a baiting call on an alligator, like a gunk.
00:13:25And the big ugly one that I called him, like a jack-in-the-box, come alive.
00:13:30And he come over and picked me up by the arm again.
00:13:34And I felt an injection go in my arm.
00:13:37And I heard a noise like that.
00:13:41And I was relaxed again.
00:13:43He carried me out.
00:13:45I was on the pier.
00:13:46But I was facing the river with my arms stretched out in front of me.
00:13:51And that's where I felt Charlie.
00:13:54Charlie was down.
00:13:55He said, you all right, son?
00:13:57You all right?
00:13:58I told Charlie, well, hell no, I'm not all right.
00:14:02And we agreed not to mention that nobody would not tell nobody.
00:14:08Remember, this was 1973.
00:14:10And they put you in a nuthouse back in just for thinking it, much less saying it.
00:14:17But imagine if, on that night in 1973, several individuals experienced a similar phenomenon.
00:14:25What if Charles and Calvin weren't the only ones to encounter the unexplainable?
00:14:31Their story wouldn't be so crazy, would it?
00:14:38Down through the years, there have been reports of unidentified flying objects.
00:14:43With the dawn of the space age, the frequency of these reports have increased.
00:14:47Many people believe that these UFOs are indeed space vehicles from outer space,
00:14:53manned by living creatures sometimes called humanoids.
00:14:56On rare occasion, actual contact with these creatures from space have been reported.
00:15:01Alien abduction stories have fascinated and puzzled humanity for decades.
00:15:07Yet they almost always share one curious detail.
00:15:12The experiences are deeply personal, with little to no external eyewitnesses.
00:15:18Most encounters remain confined to the memories of the individuals involved,
00:15:23leaving skeptics to question their legitimacy.
00:15:27But the Pascagoula case is one of few where multiple independent witnesses came out over the years,
00:15:34reporting phenomena that aligned with the central story.
00:15:38Friends in my family think I'm crazy.
00:15:40It's even hard to make yourself believe it.
00:15:43I didn't admit what I had seen for years.
00:15:46Back in that day, if you'd seen a UFO...
00:15:49It was almost taboo to talk about something like this.
00:15:52I didn't go out and get on TV or interviews or anything.
00:15:55I kind of kept it, me and my wife kept it to ourselves, what we seen.
00:15:58Back in those days, nobody believed in UFOs.
00:16:01You really had to be crazy if you said you'd seen one.
00:16:05Was it mass hysteria?
00:16:07A series of coincidental misidentifications?
00:16:10Or could these eyewitnesses offer further proof of Charles and Calvin's story of abduction?
00:16:17It was a warm night, as it is here in the South.
00:16:21We were at the red light, waiting for it to turn green.
00:16:25After a few seconds, I said,
00:16:29Hey, guys, do y'all see what I see?
00:16:34And I said, Yeah, man, it looks like an airplane, and it's awful low.
00:16:41It's very low.
00:16:43We just assumed this airplane was in trouble, and, you know,
00:16:47Hey, man, that thing looks like it's going to crash.
00:16:49And then it was on top of us.
00:16:52I looked in the back window, like looking straight up through the back window,
00:16:58and I watched it go straight up.
00:17:02Not side, not back and forth, straight up,
00:17:06and completely disappeared within seconds.
00:17:10In 1973, I was 32 years old.
00:17:13I remember that part.
00:17:15I was a crane operator at Walker Shipyard, the night of the UFO excited.
00:17:23And I seen this thing, it just eased right over.
00:17:26It looked like it stopped right in the middle of the Pascoe River.
00:17:29just stopped dead still.
00:17:31Maybe a tiny bit of moving, not much.
00:17:34It was an egg-shaped looking thing.
00:17:38You really couldn't tell that much about it.
00:17:40You could tell that it was oval-shaped.
00:17:44You'll never understand totally until you've been there.
00:17:50You know, now, I was a senior in high school, and I was 18 years old, and this was October.
00:17:58So, it had to have been a Friday night or maybe the Saturday night, which would have put it at
00:18:03the 12th or 13th.
00:18:05We were on SB Avenue fixing to turn east onto Pineville Road, and we just got a little ways around
00:18:13on Pineville Road, and all of a sudden, boom!
00:18:17The whole inside of the car lit up blue.
00:18:19I'm shocked. I don't know what's going on.
00:18:22We were coming from Pascagoula to Gauthier, and as soon as I got up on top of the bridge, I
00:18:29seen these very bright lights.
00:18:31They were not rotating. It was just a wide span of bright lights.
00:18:36Never thought of the fact that it could have been a UFO.
00:18:39If I had, I would have turned off on the port road and went down there to see what was
00:18:42going on, but we came on to Gauthier, and like I said, didn't hear it on the news until 10
00:18:46o'clock, but it was pretty amazing to see that, you know, to witness it, and then not realize what
00:18:52I was even seeing at the time.
00:18:55Seemed like quite a few people had seen something that was unexplanatory, you know, that evening.
00:19:03I had walked outside to take out the trash. I looked up above the house, and there was a red,
00:19:11white, and blue flashing light.
00:19:14It has the ability to change colors.
00:19:18It had no wings. It had no manner of propulsion that I could tell, no vapor trail.
00:19:23We watched this thing make some of the most, some of the most incredible turners you've ever seen.
00:19:32They would make 90-degree angles at just such a, such a fast pace that there's no possible way that
00:19:39a human being could, you know, could be in there because the G-forces would be so bad.
00:19:44But it was like you would take a, the arrow on a computer screen and just take the mouse and
00:19:50just wiggle it all around.
00:19:52That's the way this thing was moved.
00:19:53You know, I was always, I've been interested in astronomy for years, so I always kind of watched the sky
00:19:59anyway.
00:20:00I had taken my dogs out in the backyard and just idly waiting on the dogs.
00:20:06They got their evening run, and I noticed something in the West.
00:20:12But first, of course, thought it was a plane.
00:20:14I realized that's not a plane.
00:20:17I have no idea what I'm looking at, but it doesn't look like any plane I'd ever seen before.
00:20:23I want to use the word hovered.
00:20:25It kind of stayed in one position for, oh, several minutes.
00:20:31And then it slowly started to move to the south, and it stopped.
00:20:39And then it moved slowly to the north, and it stopped.
00:20:44It moved back toward the south, and it stopped.
00:20:47It did this probably at least three or four times.
00:20:50And then before I could even recognize really what was happening, the only words I can use is it shot
00:20:58off to the north and disappeared.
00:21:01This was in the afternoon.
00:21:03I was riding my bicycle down the street, and it caught my eye.
00:21:09There was this green smoke, and I ran inside and told my mother and finally got her to come out
00:21:16there, and she saw it too.
00:21:18And maybe, I don't know, 10 to 15 minutes, it just sort of faded out.
00:21:40What makes this case different to most, if not all the others, is the fact that we have a growing
00:21:51number.
00:21:53Of independent, first-hand eyewitnesses, and that is like, unlike anything I've ever come across before.
00:22:07Whilst these eyewitnesses took decades to reveal their stories of that night, for Charles and Calvin in 1973, they had
00:22:16to make a decision.
00:22:18Would they keep their encounter secret, or try to convince the world of what had happened to them?
00:22:24Charlie wanted to call somebody and tell them, I said, no, let's not.
00:22:31I didn't see nothing.
00:22:33I'm just going to act like I don't remember nothing, like I was blacked out.
00:22:38And I couldn't stay, say, you know, distinctly, because I was at the point where I passed out.
00:22:44Which, at the time, that was probably the best thing I could do, because I didn't like people, I didn't
00:22:50like pressure, I didn't want nobody to know.
00:22:52I had just started a job with him, so we agreed on that.
00:22:58We wasn't going to mention nobody.
00:23:00But unknown to Calvin, Charles had other ideas.
00:23:05I think Daddy's the one that made the decision that, yes, they should tell someone.
00:23:12And I can understand Calvin not wanting to get in the limelight and everything like that.
00:23:18My father, I guess, just thought it was too important to ignore.
00:23:25Directly after the alleged happening, Charles told Calvin to drive to the Mississippi press room
00:23:31to share their news with a reporter, going against what they had agreed.
00:23:36Once there, the two men met with accusations of being drunk to craft such an unbelievable story.
00:23:44Now we have social media, seeing comments online that, oh, what were these two southern guys drinking?
00:23:52Well, you know, A, they weren't drinking, but even if they had, you know, anybody watching this today,
00:23:59have you been drunk at any point?
00:24:01Did you hallucinate an alien abduction?
00:24:04I don't think so, you know.
00:24:06So, but they weren't drinking anyway.
00:24:09It's as simple as that.
00:24:10The press office directed them to speak with the police,
00:24:13as their story was impossible to believe and, therefore, wasn't newsworthy.
00:24:19So we called the sheriff's department and they told us to wait,
00:24:25to wait right here for them.
00:24:30I was on patrol and I heard some chatter on the radio
00:24:33and I heard some officers talking about it.
00:24:36and I didn't understand everything,
00:24:42but they were talking about someone had been abducted by a UFO and everything.
00:24:48And personally, at that point, I thought it was just a joke
00:24:52or the guys were just talking about it.
00:24:55Officers at night, late at night,
00:24:59and we all did, we would do funny things.
00:25:02We'd get bored and, you know, we'd put out different traffic on the radio
00:25:07just to make everybody laugh and keep them awake.
00:25:11And they showed up just a few minutes later
00:25:15and that's when they, of course, we was in my car and I was driving.
00:25:21They walked up to the door.
00:25:22They looked in the car.
00:25:24They asked me to see the driver's license and to step out.
00:25:29I stepped out of the car.
00:25:31They told me to stand on my left leg, raise my right leg
00:25:35and bend my head back, touch my nose, close my eyes
00:25:39and count to 200 backwards and jump up and down.
00:25:44Of course, I told them I couldn't do that sober,
00:25:46much less if I was drinking.
00:25:49But they put me through the meal.
00:25:52There's a little sobriety test.
00:25:53We walked the line and all.
00:25:55And finally, Glenn Ryder said,
00:25:59You sober enough to drive anyway.
00:26:03Follow us to the police sheriff's department.
00:26:08Walking into the Jackson County Sheriff's Department,
00:26:12the two probably knew their story would be tough for anyone to believe.
00:26:15But for Charles, it was a story he needed to tell.
00:26:26I was with the Pascagoula Police Department in 1973
00:26:29when all of the UFO stuff happened.
00:26:39And this was my riot shotgun.
00:26:42It gave a lot of people religion.
00:26:44Bill Gennaro worked for Pascagoula PD
00:26:47and then later on he worked with me
00:26:50in the Jackson County Sheriff's Department in the early 90s.
00:26:53in some places I was referred to
00:26:57as the MF with the silver shotgun.
00:27:01Pretty good investigator.
00:27:03I can't tell you nothing bad about the man.
00:27:08He was right here in the midst of everything.
00:27:11And I'm sure he'd know things I'd never know.
00:27:18Charlie, I'd never met Calvin,
00:27:19but, you know, Charlie, due to his drinking,
00:27:23was pretty well known to law enforcement in the area.
00:27:27Probably if he'd have been the only one
00:27:29that came in reporting the abduction,
00:27:31they probably would have just laughed at him.
00:27:34But Calvin, no.
00:27:36He, you know, straight up,
00:27:39not a drinker at all, for I understand.
00:27:42And that lent a lot of credence to it.
00:27:45When inside the sheriff's department,
00:27:47the two men were taken to separate interrogation rooms
00:27:51where they were questioned on what had happened.
00:27:53They kept saying, well, Calvin, you can tell the truth now.
00:27:57You won't be in no trouble right now,
00:27:59but if we keep on, you're going to be,
00:28:00this is a hoax, you're going to be in a lot of trouble.
00:28:04Of course, it wasn't no hoax,
00:28:06so I wouldn't tell them nothing.
00:28:08Whilst Calvin stayed quiet,
00:28:10Charles was in the other room
00:28:12relaying his story of abduction to the police.
00:28:14You know, you see something like that,
00:28:16you're going to be there.
00:28:18And I couldn't believe it.
00:28:21And, you know, you'd think you're dreaming
00:28:23about something like that, you know.
00:28:26And Calvin just, he wasn't hysterical, you know.
00:28:30I'm scared of that.
00:28:32You know, I would just throw it around
00:28:35behind me
00:28:37and lift me off the ground.
00:28:44I've seen incidents that I've never seen
00:28:47nothing like that before in my life.
00:28:50There ain't no way to describe it.
00:28:52I didn't kind of communicate with you.
00:28:53There's no way to, ah, you know, like a big eye.
00:28:57Unsurprisingly,
00:28:58it was hard for the police department
00:29:00to believe what they were being told.
00:29:02The story of two men being abducted by aliens
00:29:06felt more like a Hollywood movie plot
00:29:08than a real-life event.
00:29:11I personally
00:29:13never saw any physical evidence
00:29:15for me to be convinced to believe it.
00:29:19I'm not saying it's not true.
00:29:21I'm talking about me.
00:29:23Unconvinced by their story,
00:29:25the police devised a plan
00:29:26to get the men to admit
00:29:28that this was all a hoax.
00:29:29They set up a secret audio recorder
00:29:32in an interrogation room
00:29:33and sent both Calvin and Charles in.
00:29:36And they wanted to hear us talk to each other.
00:29:38They thought we'd laugh
00:29:39and tell how we got off on them.
00:29:43But neither the sheriff nor his deputies
00:29:45could have imagined what would come next.
00:29:48I never heard it,
00:29:49but I understand it would stand a hair
00:29:51upon the back of your head.
00:29:52The way they were talking,
00:29:53it was no scam.
00:29:55They were scared to death.
00:29:59All I remember is the blur.
00:30:02Just like you.
00:30:03Look through that wall right there.
00:30:04I see ghosts or something come through.
00:30:06All I've heard you saw
00:30:07I was so scared of water.
00:30:09When they get through this,
00:30:10we go by the fire.
00:30:11I'll get you something.
00:30:12You said to get down
00:30:13when you're sleeping.
00:30:13Get some nap and sleep.
00:30:15I can't sleep without that.
00:30:16You got hundreds of days
00:30:17in your cream.
00:30:19I remember my heart
00:30:20and just froze up
00:30:21just like it.
00:30:22I couldn't move.
00:30:22Just like it's stuck
00:30:23through a damn road.
00:30:24I paralyzed right there.
00:30:26They were surprised
00:30:28when they heard us talking.
00:30:30You know,
00:30:31Calvin's literally crawling up the walls,
00:30:33almost crying.
00:30:34I think he says a prayer at one point.
00:30:36And it was that
00:30:38that convinced the sheriff
00:30:39and his deputy
00:30:41that something,
00:30:43something, you know,
00:30:44unusual had happened
00:30:45to these two gentlemen.
00:30:47They weren't lying.
00:30:48They weren't hoaxing.
00:30:49You know,
00:30:50it's a powerful piece of evidence.
00:30:52It really is.
00:31:15I'm Dr. Irina Scott.
00:31:16I'm an investigator
00:31:19of the Pascagoula case.
00:31:21I've been investigating
00:31:23some aspects of it
00:31:24since about the 1980s.
00:31:27There was a big supply
00:31:29of mysteries in 1973
00:31:31in the fall,
00:31:32much more than
00:31:33at any normal time.
00:31:36And so Pascagoula
00:31:38wasn't exactly strange
00:31:40because it was happening
00:31:41all over the country.
00:31:45In UFO circles,
00:31:47we use a term
00:31:48called a flap.
00:31:51And basically
00:31:52what a flap is,
00:31:53is a high concentration
00:31:55of UFO sightings
00:31:58from a particular area
00:32:00or geographical location
00:32:02over a certain period of time,
00:32:05like an increase
00:32:06in reported sightings.
00:32:08and 1973
00:32:11was the year
00:32:12of such a flap.
00:32:14One of these reports
00:32:16was coming
00:32:17from over 200 miles away.
00:32:19And this one
00:32:20was just as strange
00:32:22and extraordinary
00:32:23as Charles
00:32:24and Calvin's encounter.
00:32:26I don't know
00:32:27if it was the same craft
00:32:28or it was a different craft,
00:32:30but it did happen
00:32:31that same night.
00:32:34There were constant sightings
00:32:37being reported
00:32:38from California
00:32:40through Oklahoma,
00:32:41through Texas,
00:32:43through Missouri,
00:32:45through Arkansas,
00:32:46that there was a good chance
00:32:49if we went out,
00:32:51we would see something.
00:32:53And not be known to me,
00:32:55that night happened
00:32:57to be October 11, 1973.
00:33:03I told my friend,
00:33:05if we go out tonight,
00:33:07we may see something.
00:33:08So we went way out,
00:33:10away from the town
00:33:11where we live,
00:33:12away from the city lights.
00:33:14There was no distractions.
00:33:17We ended up way,
00:33:19way out in the countryside
00:33:20where there was
00:33:22an abundance of cow pastures
00:33:24and no paved roads,
00:33:26just gravel roads.
00:33:27and we stopped
00:33:30on the gravel road
00:33:31in the middle of nowhere.
00:33:32We got out of the car
00:33:34and I looked up
00:33:36and there was a red light
00:33:39and it was moving
00:33:40from west to east
00:33:42across the sky.
00:33:43All of a sudden,
00:33:45it stopped
00:33:46and it turned a green,
00:33:50an emerald green
00:33:51with no sound
00:33:53and it started
00:33:55to come down
00:33:55on an angle,
00:33:57about a 45 degree angle.
00:33:59When we came up
00:34:00the other side,
00:34:02it was coming down
00:34:04across the road
00:34:05and it turned yellow
00:34:07in front of us.
00:34:09I told my friend,
00:34:10drive faster.
00:34:11He was driving so fast,
00:34:12it was like we were
00:34:14hydroplaning
00:34:15on the gravel.
00:34:16I told my friend,
00:34:18blink your lights
00:34:19off and on.
00:34:21He said,
00:34:22it looked like
00:34:23something dropped
00:34:24out of it,
00:34:25it turned purple
00:34:26and I didn't see that.
00:34:27He stopped the car,
00:34:29we got out of the car,
00:34:30we were on the side
00:34:31of the road again,
00:34:33there was a ditch
00:34:34and a fence,
00:34:35there was another
00:34:36cow pasture
00:34:36and this,
00:34:38whatever it was,
00:34:39was above that cow pasture
00:34:41no more than 50 yards
00:34:43from us,
00:34:44not more than 100 feet
00:34:45in the air
00:34:46and it was pulsating
00:34:48green, red, orange,
00:34:51green, red, orange
00:34:53in the most vibrant colors.
00:34:56It has the ability
00:34:58to change colors.
00:35:00And you couldn't make out
00:35:02the shape of the craft
00:35:03because when the red would go,
00:35:06the orange is there
00:35:08and when the oranges go,
00:35:10the green was there.
00:35:11I mean, it was blood red
00:35:13and emerald green.
00:35:14It was incredible
00:35:15and there wasn't a breeze,
00:35:18there wasn't a sound.
00:35:20We were standing
00:35:21in total darkness
00:35:23watching this amazing thing
00:35:25and I'll never forget the words.
00:35:27I turned to my friend
00:35:28and I said,
00:35:30you're looking at something
00:35:32from another world.
00:35:35Even further afield
00:35:37was Rosario Nail
00:35:38who on the same
00:35:40October night in 1973
00:35:42witnessed something
00:35:44extraordinary
00:35:45in the night sky.
00:35:47It still scares me
00:35:48to talk about it.
00:35:50I mean,
00:35:51I feel my heart rate
00:35:54picking up and stuff
00:35:58because I just don't know
00:36:00what it was.
00:36:01Her encounter
00:36:03with the extraterrestrial
00:36:04marked an eerily
00:36:06similar resemblance
00:36:07to what Charles
00:36:08and Calvin witnessed.
00:36:10Were they connected
00:36:11or was it just
00:36:13a coincidence?
00:36:15I was
00:36:1820,
00:36:1921.
00:36:21I had gone to
00:36:22a girlfriend's house
00:36:24and so we're sitting
00:36:26on her porch
00:36:27and it's about,
00:36:29it had gotten dark
00:36:31so it was about
00:36:328, 39 o'clock
00:36:34and
00:36:35in that part of the country
00:36:37is pitch black.
00:36:39There's no street lights
00:36:40because it was very rural.
00:36:42we were out in the country
00:36:44and
00:36:44so when I say
00:36:46we're sitting on the porch
00:36:47looking at the stars,
00:36:48I mean,
00:36:48you could see
00:36:51the stars are brilliant
00:36:53because there's nothing
00:36:54to interfere
00:36:55with that.
00:36:57So we're sitting there
00:36:58talking
00:37:00and
00:37:01we're looking up
00:37:04and all of a sudden
00:37:05I went,
00:37:06oh wow,
00:37:07look,
00:37:07do you see the fallen star?
00:37:09And I pointed to it
00:37:10and
00:37:12she said,
00:37:13yeah,
00:37:13I see it.
00:37:15Well then
00:37:16as it's coming down
00:37:19then I realize
00:37:20it's going
00:37:21across the sky
00:37:22and I'm like,
00:37:23wait,
00:37:23that can't be
00:37:24a fallen star
00:37:26but it was big
00:37:27and then all of a sudden
00:37:30three lights
00:37:33emitted from it.
00:37:34but you could see
00:37:36three figures
00:37:37coming out of the light.
00:37:39And I'm like,
00:37:41oh wow,
00:37:42because then I'm thinking
00:37:43that it's a meteorite
00:37:45and then it exploded
00:37:46or something.
00:37:49But what happened next
00:37:51would prove that
00:37:51whatever Rosario
00:37:52was looking at,
00:37:53it definitely
00:37:54wasn't a meteor.
00:37:58but these three
00:38:00separate walls
00:38:03emitted from it
00:38:05and
00:38:06they went
00:38:08that way
00:38:09which would have been south.
00:38:11It comes down
00:38:13and the farther down
00:38:15it comes,
00:38:15I mean it literally
00:38:16looked
00:38:18like the sun.
00:38:19It was that big.
00:38:22and then as
00:38:23when it's coming down
00:38:25I could hear dogs
00:38:26in the distance
00:38:27like everybody
00:38:28in the country
00:38:29has a dog
00:38:29but these dogs
00:38:33were
00:38:35barking
00:38:35like
00:38:36they were trying
00:38:37to attack something.
00:38:44And then it moved
00:38:46across the sky
00:38:47about that far
00:38:48and then it shot
00:38:50straight up.
00:38:52I mean like
00:38:53like that.
00:38:56I'm like
00:38:57holy crap.
00:38:59Didn't have any kind
00:39:00of weird feeling
00:39:01or anything
00:39:01until
00:39:02it went
00:39:04in reverse.
00:39:05Then I
00:39:06I was terrified
00:39:08at that point.
00:39:09I don't know why.
00:39:10I knew it wasn't
00:39:11normal
00:39:12and it wasn't
00:39:13a natural phenomenon
00:39:16but
00:39:19that's what happened
00:39:20that night.
00:39:22I did not know
00:39:23at the time
00:39:24but the next day
00:39:25in the paper
00:39:25there was an article
00:39:27printed
00:39:28about a whole family
00:39:29in a small community
00:39:31to the north
00:39:32of where we were
00:39:33standing
00:39:33that saw the same object.
00:39:36another sighting
00:39:37of a UFO
00:39:38was reported
00:39:39to the DI
00:39:40which is the local
00:39:41paper called
00:39:42the Daily Iberian
00:39:43by an area
00:39:44resident Friday.
00:39:46New Iberia is
00:39:47approximately
00:39:48probably about
00:39:49200 miles
00:39:50to the west
00:39:53of Pascagoula
00:39:54in coastal Louisiana.
00:39:55it would be west
00:39:57of New Orleans.
00:39:58Curly Miguez Jr.
00:40:01of Lydia
00:40:01said he and his wife
00:40:04Kenneth Robichaux
00:40:05and a host
00:40:06of Robichaux neighbors
00:40:08sighted a UFO
00:40:10Thursday night.
00:40:11Miguez said
00:40:12he observed
00:40:13what was certain
00:40:14to be some type
00:40:15of aircraft
00:40:16which increased
00:40:18its speed
00:40:18at times
00:40:20hovered
00:40:21and sometimes
00:40:21even zigzagged.
00:40:251973
00:40:25was a very
00:40:27busy year
00:40:28for UFO activity
00:40:29all over
00:40:30the states
00:40:32as well as
00:40:33the world
00:40:33and also
00:40:34the interesting
00:40:35thing about that
00:40:36is that
00:40:36sometimes
00:40:38these flaps
00:40:38seem to appear
00:40:40when there's
00:40:40a lot of
00:40:41geopolitical things
00:40:42happening.
00:40:43For example
00:40:44in 1973
00:40:45you had Watergate
00:40:46going on
00:40:46you had
00:40:47issues with Iran
00:40:48and you had
00:40:50the energy crisis
00:40:51was beginning.
00:40:52All of these things
00:40:53were happening
00:40:54and there's
00:40:55a UFO flap
00:40:55that's sort
00:40:56of underneath it
00:40:57under the news
00:40:58of everything
00:40:59that's going on.
00:41:02Well in 1973
00:41:04if you said
00:41:04you saw a UFO
00:41:05you were immediately
00:41:06considered a crackpot.
00:41:08You know
00:41:09oh those crazy people
00:41:11that see UFOs
00:41:12yeah
00:41:13no we don't
00:41:14want to talk
00:41:14to you
00:41:15we don't
00:41:16well thank you
00:41:17see ya.
00:41:18No one wanted
00:41:19to admit
00:41:21they had seen
00:41:21something
00:41:22I didn't
00:41:22admit
00:41:23what I had
00:41:23seen for years.
00:41:25I'm J. Michael Long
00:41:27I'm a documentary
00:41:28film producer
00:41:29in Waco, Texas
00:41:30but I grew up
00:41:31in Ellisville, Mississippi
00:41:32which is about
00:41:3390 miles
00:41:34north of
00:41:35Pascagoula.
00:41:37I was 12 years old
00:41:38when this happened
00:41:39and we had
00:41:41gone to Laurel, Mississippi
00:41:43to Sears
00:41:45and I bought
00:41:46I got a football
00:41:47by the time
00:41:48we got home
00:41:49it was getting dark
00:41:49and I couldn't
00:41:50get out in the yard
00:41:51and play with the football
00:41:51so I just went out
00:41:52into the street
00:41:53in front of the house
00:41:54where there was
00:41:55a street light
00:41:56and I was throwing
00:41:57the football
00:41:57up in the air
00:41:58and catching it
00:41:59and at one point
00:42:00I threw the ball up
00:42:01wind blew it
00:42:02or whatever
00:42:02and it landed
00:42:02over in my yard
00:42:03so I walked up
00:42:04the little slope
00:42:05and I reached down
00:42:07to pick the football up
00:42:08and as I did
00:42:09I looked to the north
00:42:10and there was
00:42:11this orange ball
00:42:12in the sky
00:42:13and I didn't know
00:42:15what that was
00:42:15I mean I was 12 years old
00:42:17I didn't know anything
00:42:17about UFOs
00:42:18or anything of that nature
00:42:20and this ball
00:42:21was moving very very slowly
00:42:23but it was just tracking
00:42:24across the sky
00:42:26and I remember
00:42:27as I stood there
00:42:28watching it
00:42:29I was riveted
00:42:30and I couldn't move
00:42:31and I was watching it
00:42:32and when it got
00:42:33directly in front
00:42:34I remember thinking
00:42:35to myself
00:42:36that you could put
00:42:37my mother's car
00:42:38inside this thing
00:42:40at least twice
00:42:42I believed
00:42:43that there was
00:42:44probably something solid
00:42:45that was emanating
00:42:46you know
00:42:46illuminating the light
00:42:47but it was so bright
00:42:49it was difficult
00:42:49to see anything
00:42:50that might have been
00:42:51inside it
00:42:52and he said
00:42:53it was like being
00:42:54in an extremely
00:42:57bright light bulb
00:43:00and it continued
00:43:01to drift
00:43:01and drift
00:43:02and drift
00:43:03until finally
00:43:03it went to the horizon
00:43:05it looked like
00:43:06a little star
00:43:06in the distance
00:43:07and it went over
00:43:08the horizon
00:43:09and it was headed
00:43:10south to the coast
00:43:12whatever it was
00:43:13that J. Michaels saw
00:43:15it was now heading
00:43:16in the direction
00:43:17of Pascagoula
00:43:18could it have been
00:43:19the same thing
00:43:20that Charles
00:43:21and Calvin saw?
00:43:22the adults
00:43:23were snickering
00:43:24and joking
00:43:25and laughing
00:43:25about the two guys
00:43:26in Pascagoula
00:43:27that claimed
00:43:28they were abducted
00:43:29by aliens
00:43:29and that's when
00:43:31I realized
00:43:32that the night
00:43:32that what I saw
00:43:34was the same night
00:43:35that they were abducted
00:43:44by the following morning
00:43:45the local press
00:43:46had a hold
00:43:47of the story
00:43:48and now Calvin
00:43:49and Charles' experience
00:43:50was the talk
00:43:51of Pascagoula
00:43:52it was just
00:43:53a few minutes drive
00:43:54to the shipyard
00:43:55where we was working
00:43:56we pulled up
00:43:57there was
00:43:59TV trucks
00:44:00with the uplink
00:44:01stuck up in the air
00:44:02and all
00:44:02there was a bunch
00:44:03of them
00:44:03the guy
00:44:05that owned
00:44:06the shipyard
00:44:06said Calvin Parker
00:44:08and Charlie Hickson
00:44:09come to the office
00:44:10he said
00:44:11y'all gonna have
00:44:12to give a press release
00:44:14or something
00:44:15because we can't
00:44:17even use the phones
00:44:18and I realized
00:44:19then the story
00:44:20was out
00:44:21it really hit me
00:44:22everybody knew then
00:44:24with Charles
00:44:25and Calvin's story
00:44:26now out in the open
00:44:27other eyewitnesses
00:44:29started to realize
00:44:30that what they'd seen
00:44:32wasn't an anomaly
00:44:33it was really exciting
00:44:35up until
00:44:36I heard on the news
00:44:38they called it
00:44:39an alien encounter
00:44:41that had happened
00:44:42the previous night
00:44:43Calvin
00:44:44and Charlie
00:44:45had been abducted
00:44:46it was all
00:44:47on the front page
00:44:48and they described
00:44:49what they saw
00:44:50and
00:44:51both seemed to be
00:44:52in a state of shock
00:44:53and that's when it
00:44:54that's when it really
00:44:55bothered me
00:44:56my heart jumped up
00:44:57in my throat
00:44:58I'm thinking
00:44:58you know
00:44:59that could have been us
00:45:00people were
00:45:02scared
00:45:03people were
00:45:05spreading rumors
00:45:06for many
00:45:08the story of
00:45:09Charles Hickson
00:45:10and Calvin Parker's
00:45:11encounter
00:45:11with an unknown craft
00:45:13seemed almost
00:45:14too extraordinary
00:45:15to believe
00:45:16but for the two men
00:45:17at the center
00:45:18of the experience
00:45:19the ordeal
00:45:20was very real
00:45:22word of their encounter
00:45:23quickly reached authorities
00:45:25and before long
00:45:26the two men
00:45:27were summoned
00:45:28to Kiesler Air Force Base
00:45:30it was a step
00:45:32neither man
00:45:33had sought out
00:45:34but one they felt
00:45:35compelled to take
00:45:36as the world around them
00:45:38began to close in
00:45:40both gents
00:45:41went to
00:45:41Kiesler Air Force Base
00:45:43to be checked
00:45:44for radiation
00:45:45the same Kiesler Air Force Base
00:45:47who the night before
00:45:47told them to get lost
00:45:49daddy told me
00:45:50that they had people
00:45:51in radiation suits
00:45:53at the gate
00:45:54and they
00:45:55not
00:45:55guide our counters
00:45:57but something
00:45:57they had to detect
00:45:58radiation
00:46:00they run it over
00:46:01they found a little bit
00:46:03you know why
00:46:04be in radiation suits
00:46:05if you didn't think
00:46:06something happened
00:46:07I worked in the oil field
00:46:09and I worked around
00:46:10gamma rays
00:46:11and all that
00:46:12plus welding
00:46:13puts out a certain
00:46:15amount of radiation
00:46:16and I had been welding
00:46:17all day
00:46:18they said all clear
00:46:20everybody pulled
00:46:21their suits off
00:46:22they said some of the
00:46:23brass wants to see
00:46:24you in the back
00:46:25and they said
00:46:27while you're there
00:46:28gents
00:46:29they'll sit down
00:46:30and tell us
00:46:31what's happened
00:46:32we followed them
00:46:33down the hall
00:46:34it seemed like
00:46:34it took hours
00:46:35to get
00:46:36it was just a matter
00:46:37of five minutes
00:46:39probably
00:46:39but it seemed like
00:46:41it took hours
00:46:42to get
00:46:42walked out
00:46:43hall
00:46:44and we opened
00:46:46the door
00:46:46and there was
00:46:49all kind of
00:46:50brass in there
00:46:51with officers
00:46:53and it was
00:46:54the police
00:46:55department
00:46:55from every
00:46:56major city
00:46:57on the coast
00:46:58the sheriff
00:47:00department
00:47:00and some
00:47:01of the military
00:47:02brass
00:47:03and it was mainly
00:47:05Charlie talking
00:47:05you know
00:47:06and we know
00:47:09that because
00:47:09we have a
00:47:10transcript of the
00:47:11meeting
00:47:18Charlie was
00:47:19my spokesman
00:47:20by then
00:47:20and I let him
00:47:21make the fool
00:47:22what I thought
00:47:23make the fool
00:47:24out of his self
00:47:25and I'm gonna go on
00:47:27and everybody
00:47:28forget about me
00:47:29in a day or two
00:47:29you know
00:47:31and that wasn't
00:47:32the case
00:47:34Fred Diamond
00:47:35which was a sheriff
00:47:36said for us
00:47:38not to leave
00:47:38that somebody
00:47:39was there
00:47:39to see us
00:47:40which was
00:47:41Dr. Hynek
00:47:42and Dr. Harder
00:47:44of all the men
00:47:45in the UFO field
00:47:46today
00:47:46the name of
00:47:47Dr. J. Allen Hynek
00:47:48tops the list
00:47:49the former
00:47:50Blue Book
00:47:51investigator
00:47:51for the Air Force
00:47:52and current head
00:47:53of the astronomy
00:47:54department
00:47:54at Northwestern
00:47:55University
00:47:55Hynek was over
00:47:57Project Blue Bull
00:47:58and he had flown
00:47:59in for California
00:48:00how he found
00:48:02out about it
00:48:03and got there
00:48:03that fast
00:48:04I don't know
00:48:05because really
00:48:07it didn't hit
00:48:07the media
00:48:08until that
00:48:09same morning
00:48:10and he was
00:48:11there that evening
00:48:12and that was
00:48:13just unheard of
00:48:14to come from
00:48:15California
00:48:16that far
00:48:17in a day's time
00:48:20because of his
00:48:22expertise
00:48:22in the field
00:48:23of UFOs
00:48:24Dr. Hynek
00:48:25is called
00:48:26to the scene
00:48:26of every major
00:48:27UFO sighting
00:48:28he was summoned
00:48:29to Pascagoula
00:48:30Mississippi
00:48:30last October
00:48:31hours after
00:48:32two shipyard workers
00:48:34Charles Hickson
00:48:35and Calvin Parker
00:48:36stumbled into
00:48:37a sheriff's office
00:48:37and said they
00:48:38had been taken
00:48:39aboard a flying saucer
00:48:40Dr. Hynek
00:48:42really is the one
00:48:43that got me
00:48:44out of the shell
00:48:44to start with
00:48:45I talked to him
00:48:47about it
00:48:47I would call him
00:48:49and he would call me
00:48:51and check on me
00:48:53probably once a week
00:48:55Dr. Hynek
00:48:56also talked about
00:48:58other cases
00:48:59going on
00:49:01I guess he was
00:49:02doing that
00:49:02to try to relax
00:49:04relax me
00:49:05he opened me up
00:49:07and get me
00:49:08where I would
00:49:08talk about it
00:49:09you had a really
00:49:10hard time
00:49:11and he knew that
00:49:14and I think
00:49:14he knew how to
00:49:16focus in on that
00:49:18and help you
00:49:19but he was a blessing
00:49:21it was the only good
00:49:22thing that come out
00:49:23right when that
00:49:24happened
00:49:26we got
00:49:27to work that
00:49:28morning
00:49:28and Dr. Hynek
00:49:30pulled me in
00:49:31and Dr. Harder
00:49:32pulled Charlie in
00:49:33and then
00:49:34Charlie and I
00:49:35traded spots
00:49:36and Dr. Harder
00:49:38tried to
00:49:39well he did
00:49:41hypnotize me
00:49:53tried to block
00:49:55it out of my mind
00:49:56when this first
00:49:57happened
00:49:58I would tell
00:49:58everybody
00:49:59I just passed out
00:50:00I didn't know
00:50:00nothing
00:50:01I didn't remember
00:50:02nothing
00:50:02and I couldn't
00:50:03stay
00:50:03say you know
00:50:04distinctly
00:50:05because I was
00:50:06at the point
00:50:07where I passed
00:50:08out
00:50:18I don't
00:50:19even so much
00:50:20remember
00:50:21being hypnotized
00:50:22too much
00:50:23I know
00:50:23I got chills
00:50:26running up my spine
00:50:27and I started
00:50:28shaking real bad
00:50:29and that's
00:50:30what he brought
00:50:30me out
00:50:31I probably
00:50:33wasn't under
00:50:34it for 30 minutes
00:50:36just enough
00:50:36to relax
00:50:37I remember
00:50:39him tying balloons
00:50:40to me and floating
00:50:41off
00:50:41that was about it
00:50:45it brought back
00:50:46to me and I was
00:50:53going to be
00:50:56this is something
00:51:02that you're glad
00:51:03to know about
00:51:05but I don't believe
00:51:06there's something
00:51:07that's going to continue
00:51:08as we were
00:51:08you gradually
00:51:11it brought back
00:51:12some memory
00:51:12and I guess
00:51:13he was trying
00:51:14to bring back
00:51:14memories there
00:51:15and it scared me
00:51:17because I sure
00:51:18didn't want to
00:51:19remember it
00:51:20I believe
00:51:21my subconscious
00:51:22mind
00:51:24about to block
00:51:25it out
00:51:26because
00:51:28back then
00:51:28I couldn't handle
00:51:29it
00:51:30I mean
00:51:30I can handle
00:51:31about anything
00:51:32and I wasn't
00:51:34scared of nothing
00:51:35but I was
00:51:36scared of that
00:51:38I went down
00:51:39to Pastor Kula
00:51:40completely negative
00:51:42but I worked
00:51:44with those men
00:51:44for quite a while
00:51:45I listened to tapes
00:51:47that had been
00:51:48taken when they
00:51:49didn't know
00:51:49they were being
00:51:50taped
00:51:50I saw
00:51:53how Charlie
00:51:54behaved under
00:51:54hypnosis
00:51:55and finally
00:51:57the lie detector
00:51:58test
00:52:00all of those
00:52:00things
00:52:01convinced me
00:52:01that
00:52:02he was not
00:52:03making it up
00:52:03they had had
00:52:04an experience
00:52:05period
00:52:07you have to
00:52:07then judge
00:52:08by his past
00:52:09reputation
00:52:09how he's regarded
00:52:10in the community
00:52:12would he have
00:52:12any reason
00:52:13to do it
00:52:13all that sort
00:52:15of thing
00:52:15of course
00:52:16it fits a pattern
00:52:17you see
00:52:17that's not
00:52:18an isolated case
00:52:19we have a catalog
00:52:19now of well
00:52:20over 800
00:52:21such cases
00:52:28Charles and Calvin's
00:52:29story sent
00:52:30Pascagoula
00:52:31into a frenzy
00:52:32with hundreds
00:52:33of people
00:52:34taking to the
00:52:34streets and
00:52:35beaches
00:52:35to catch a
00:52:36glimpse of
00:52:37whatever it
00:52:38was
00:52:38that abducted
00:52:39the two men
00:52:40and for Bill
00:52:41Gennaro
00:52:42his involvement
00:52:43in the case
00:52:44was about to
00:52:44become
00:52:45a whole lot
00:52:46more personal
00:52:47this is the
00:52:48third day
00:52:49after the
00:52:49abduction
00:52:50the west end
00:52:51of the beach
00:52:52there were
00:52:53I don't know
00:52:53a hundred
00:52:55or more people
00:52:56for the first
00:52:57two nights
00:52:58but on the
00:52:59third night
00:52:59there was only
00:53:00two women
00:53:00and a 14 year
00:53:01old boy
00:53:02and I was
00:53:03just you know
00:53:04patrolling
00:53:05and I pulled
00:53:06up and said
00:53:07have you seen
00:53:08any little green
00:53:08men
00:53:09and we got
00:53:10a laugh
00:53:11and then the
00:53:1214 year old
00:53:13pointed and said
00:53:14what's that
00:53:20got out
00:53:20and started
00:53:21looking
00:53:22looked like
00:53:23a blue
00:53:24cigar
00:53:24and I noticed
00:53:26the reflection
00:53:26off the water
00:53:27some hazy
00:53:28blue light
00:53:28basically there
00:53:30was no other
00:53:30shape to it
00:53:31than that
00:53:32we were
00:53:33watching it
00:53:35and
00:53:35it was there
00:53:37for a couple
00:53:37minutes
00:53:39and then it
00:53:40headed west
00:53:42in an arc
00:53:43and came to
00:53:44rest 180
00:53:45degrees behind
00:53:46us
00:53:46where
00:53:47the abduction
00:53:48was supposed
00:53:49to have
00:53:49happened
00:53:49and we
00:53:50watched it
00:53:51for a little
00:53:51bit
00:53:51then it
00:53:52came back
00:53:5290 degrees
00:53:53west
00:53:54and went
00:53:54gone
00:53:56now
00:53:57it made
00:53:58no sound
00:53:58there were
00:54:00no flashing
00:54:00lights
00:54:02weather balloons
00:54:02don't fly
00:54:03that way
00:54:04helicopters make
00:54:05noise
00:54:07I don't know
00:54:07what it was
00:54:10I didn't think
00:54:11of any other
00:54:12reason for them
00:54:12to be in that
00:54:13area except
00:54:13to be looking
00:54:14for somebody
00:54:15else to pick
00:54:15up
00:54:17the women
00:54:18wanted a
00:54:18report
00:54:20and I said
00:54:21I'll tell you
00:54:21what you come
00:54:22to the station
00:54:22with me and
00:54:23tell the captain
00:54:24then I'll write
00:54:25a report
00:54:26and I did
00:54:28and the
00:54:29procedure at
00:54:30the time
00:54:30was that
00:54:33the media
00:54:34did not get
00:54:35reports until
00:54:36the clerks
00:54:38cleared it
00:54:38unfortunately
00:54:39one of the
00:54:40newspaper
00:54:40reporters
00:54:41got there
00:54:43early and
00:54:43grabbed the
00:54:44reports
00:54:45and when it
00:54:46hit the paper
00:54:47I had to
00:54:47hide
00:54:49I was dodging
00:54:50media left
00:54:51and right
00:54:51the chief
00:54:53obviously was
00:54:53not overly
00:54:55happy
00:54:55and his
00:54:58opinion was
00:55:00keep your
00:55:01eyes on the
00:55:01ground
00:55:01don't look
00:55:02up
00:55:02whatever it
00:55:04was Bill
00:55:04Gennaro saw
00:55:05was eerily
00:55:07similar to
00:55:07what Charles
00:55:08and Calvin
00:55:09had experienced
00:55:09just three
00:55:11nights previously
00:55:13something strange
00:55:14was happening
00:55:15in Pascagoula
00:55:16and nobody
00:55:18knew why
00:55:19amid the
00:55:20growing frenzy
00:55:21of eyewitness
00:55:22accounts and
00:55:23widespread
00:55:23speculation
00:55:24Dr. Heinecke
00:55:26decided to
00:55:27visit the
00:55:27site where
00:55:28Charles and
00:55:28Calvin had
00:55:29reported their
00:55:30abduction
00:55:30but by the
00:55:31time he
00:55:32arrived the
00:55:33location had
00:55:34already been
00:55:35overrun
00:55:35he wanted to
00:55:36go to the
00:55:37site to see
00:55:38what it was
00:55:39I didn't walk
00:55:41on the site
00:55:41with him but
00:55:42I went out
00:55:43there anyway
00:55:44and I remember
00:55:45him being mad
00:55:46because the
00:55:47police department
00:55:48didn't have it
00:55:48ribboned off
00:55:49the site was
00:55:50now contaminated
00:55:51littered with
00:55:52footprints
00:55:53disturbances
00:55:54and signs
00:55:55of human
00:55:55activity
00:55:56whatever clues
00:55:57the original
00:55:58scene might
00:55:59have held
00:55:59were lost
00:56:00making it
00:56:01even harder
00:56:02to separate
00:56:02fact from
00:56:03fiction
00:56:03and people
00:56:05were stomping
00:56:06all over there
00:56:06reporters
00:56:07was all over
00:56:08it
00:56:08the law
00:56:09enforcement
00:56:09was all over
00:56:10trying to get
00:56:11the reporters
00:56:12off
00:56:17kids that
00:56:18rode a bicycle
00:56:18over there
00:56:19and I remember
00:56:20the law
00:56:21running them
00:56:21off
00:56:21and later
00:56:25on way
00:56:26down the
00:56:27road one
00:56:28of the kids
00:56:29that rode the
00:56:29bicycle had
00:56:30told me about
00:56:31they went over
00:56:33and seen a spot
00:56:34on the ground
00:56:35where this thing
00:56:37had landed
00:56:38with another
00:56:39eyewitness coming
00:56:40forward albeit
00:56:42decades later
00:56:43the story of
00:56:44Charles and
00:56:45Calvin's encounter
00:56:46was becoming
00:56:46harder to dismiss
00:56:55my old name's
00:56:56Bratton Claybrook
00:56:57Caldwell
00:56:58I go by Clay
00:57:00Caldwell
00:57:01I was born here
00:57:02in Pascoe
00:57:03Mississippi
00:57:04my father was
00:57:06an attorney
00:57:06at Engels
00:57:07Shipbuilding
00:57:07at the time
00:57:08he'd got a
00:57:09phone call
00:57:09I suppose
00:57:11they were
00:57:11concerned about
00:57:12the fact that
00:57:13two men
00:57:13had been
00:57:14abducted by
00:57:15a UFO
00:57:15and had
00:57:16reported that
00:57:17that worked
00:57:17there at
00:57:18the Engels
00:57:19Shipbuilding
00:57:19my mother
00:57:20was sitting
00:57:21there and
00:57:21she was like
00:57:21what are they
00:57:23saying
00:57:24what are they
00:57:24saying
00:57:24so he was
00:57:26explaining to
00:57:26my mother
00:57:27well it
00:57:27happened down
00:57:28there at
00:57:29the river
00:57:29at the little
00:57:30fishing pier
00:57:30just south
00:57:31of the draw
00:57:31bridge
00:57:32so immediately
00:57:33I knew where
00:57:34he was talking
00:57:34about
00:57:35because we
00:57:36used to go
00:57:36fishing there
00:57:36ourselves
00:57:37as kids
00:57:38that Friday
00:57:39I spoke
00:57:40with some
00:57:41of my friends
00:57:41and said
00:57:43hey
00:57:44do y'all
00:57:45want to go
00:57:45see where
00:57:45the aliens
00:57:46landed
00:57:46or would
00:57:46y'all like
00:57:47to go
00:57:47see that
00:57:47I know
00:57:48where it
00:57:49is
00:57:49one or two
00:57:50of them
00:57:50were like
00:57:51yeah but
00:57:52what if
00:57:52something
00:57:52happens
00:57:53what if
00:57:54they come
00:57:54get us
00:57:55what if
00:57:56they're still
00:57:56there
00:57:57and then
00:57:58it started
00:57:58coming up
00:57:59what if
00:57:59they dropped
00:57:59something
00:58:02so as
00:58:02kids
00:58:03we're thinking
00:58:03oh we're
00:58:04going to find
00:58:04a ray gun
00:58:05or we're
00:58:05going to find
00:58:06something
00:58:06from another
00:58:06planet
00:58:07so that's
00:58:09what we did
00:58:09and we knew
00:58:10we had to
00:58:11be quick
00:58:11we had to
00:58:12be fast
00:58:12because we
00:58:13knew that
00:58:14you know
00:58:15if this was
00:58:15ever found
00:58:16out we're
00:58:16in hot
00:58:17water
00:58:18so we got
00:58:19out there
00:58:19to where
00:58:20the pier
00:58:21was
00:58:21we kind
00:58:22of scattered
00:58:22around all
00:58:23on the ground
00:58:24went out
00:58:24on the pier
00:58:25you know
00:58:26looking
00:58:26we're looking
00:58:27for anything
00:58:27that you know
00:58:29may have been
00:58:30left by an
00:58:31alien
00:58:31and we
00:58:32decided
00:58:33you know
00:58:33well where
00:58:34did it land
00:58:35we decided
00:58:37well let's go
00:58:37out here
00:58:38and look
00:58:39in the weeds
00:58:41and the tall
00:58:41grass and stuff
00:58:42you know
00:58:43I say I used
00:58:44to go out
00:58:44in the woods
00:58:44all the time
00:58:45I wasn't
00:58:45scared to go
00:58:46out in a little
00:58:48bit of tall
00:58:48grass and weeds
00:58:50so we made
00:58:52our way through
00:58:54and I'll just
00:58:55never forget
00:58:56it was just
00:58:58the feeling
00:58:58when we first
00:58:59saw it
00:59:00we were like
00:59:01whoa
00:59:03what is this
00:59:08and it was
00:59:10about a 30 foot
00:59:1225 30 foot
00:59:14wide circle
00:59:16of nothing
00:59:17all of a sudden
00:59:20it was just
00:59:22flat
00:59:23you would have
00:59:24had to gone
00:59:25in and just
00:59:25cut
00:59:26literally with
00:59:27scissors
00:59:28something so
00:59:29sharp
00:59:30I've never
00:59:31been able
00:59:31to imagine
00:59:32what kind
00:59:33of machine
00:59:33could do
00:59:33that
00:59:34and leave
00:59:35nothing behind
00:59:36you know
00:59:37it's not like
00:59:38it was just
00:59:39pushed over
00:59:40like something
00:59:40just landed
00:59:41on top of it
00:59:42it was like
00:59:43as though
00:59:45something came
00:59:46from above
00:59:47and just
00:59:48removed everything
00:59:51we just kind of
00:59:52never really
00:59:53talked about it
00:59:54because we
00:59:55didn't want
00:59:55to get in
00:59:56trouble
00:59:57from being
00:59:57someone we
00:59:58weren't supposed
00:59:58to be
00:59:58and over
01:00:00the years
01:00:00as I grew
01:00:01older
01:00:02and you know
01:00:02I never really
01:00:04even told my
01:00:04wife about
01:00:05all this
01:00:06until
01:00:07that day
01:00:08we were going
01:00:09to go see
01:00:09the plaque
01:00:12that was being
01:00:12put at the
01:00:13river
01:00:14and on the
01:00:15way I opened
01:00:16up to her
01:00:22I'm sorry
01:00:24but
01:00:26it kind of
01:00:27disturbed me
01:00:39it's like
01:00:40anything else
01:00:41you've held
01:00:42inside of you
01:00:43for all these
01:00:43years
01:00:56for Clay Caldwell
01:00:57his memory
01:00:59of what he saw
01:00:59that day
01:01:00had lingered
01:01:01unresolved
01:01:02a burden
01:01:02he carried
01:01:03alone for decades
01:01:04his story
01:01:06like so many others
01:01:07tied to the
01:01:08Pascagoula abduction
01:01:09was a reminder
01:01:10of how deeply
01:01:11this event
01:01:12affected those
01:01:13who came close
01:01:13to it
01:01:18Pascagoula was
01:01:19just beginning
01:01:20to settle back
01:01:20into normalcy
01:01:22after the chaos
01:01:23of the abduction
01:01:24story
01:01:24the town was
01:01:26still buzzing
01:01:27with speculation
01:01:27but life
01:01:29had started
01:01:29to move on
01:01:30and then
01:01:31just weeks
01:01:33later
01:01:33another
01:01:35strange event
01:01:36shook the
01:01:36community
01:01:37when a mysterious
01:01:39object
01:01:39was reportedly
01:01:40seen in the
01:01:41waters nearby
01:01:42three little
01:01:43boats
01:01:44gone out
01:01:45fishing
01:01:46and
01:01:48they see
01:01:49something
01:01:49under the
01:01:51water
01:01:51it's circular
01:01:53it's illuminated
01:01:55it was segmented
01:01:57they said it
01:01:57looked like
01:01:57one of the
01:01:58old-fashioned
01:01:58parachutes
01:01:59it was segmented
01:02:00and they got
01:02:02so close to it
01:02:03that they could
01:02:04hit it with an oar
01:02:05and it went
01:02:05plunk
01:02:07and one of those
01:02:08fishermen
01:02:09there's only one
01:02:10of that party
01:02:11that went out
01:02:12that night
01:02:12still alive
01:02:13there was eight
01:02:13I believe
01:02:14all together
01:02:14it's a chap
01:02:15called Earl Ryan
01:02:17we know
01:02:17what we say
01:02:18at night
01:02:20and my daddy
01:02:21he was gonna go
01:02:22down in the dock
01:02:23and look down
01:02:24and see what was
01:02:24going on
01:02:25we didn't know
01:02:26what it was
01:02:27and he kept
01:02:28poking at
01:02:29poking at
01:02:30and sounded like
01:02:31a
01:02:31and hit a piece
01:02:32of metal
01:02:33that's when
01:02:34the light went off
01:02:35so when one
01:02:36got the coast guard
01:02:37you managed to
01:02:38get back out
01:02:39there to work
01:02:40for that
01:02:40and they got
01:02:41the probes
01:02:42and the light
01:02:43went off again
01:02:44it was a very
01:02:46bizarre sighting
01:02:48if you like
01:02:49in its own right
01:02:50but this happened
01:02:51again just
01:02:52after the events
01:02:54in question
01:02:54with Charlie and
01:02:55Calvin
01:02:55in the same
01:02:56part of the river
01:02:57but just a little
01:02:58bit further out
01:02:59and
01:03:00and fortunately
01:03:01there is a
01:03:03photograph
01:03:03of all those
01:03:05present
01:03:05all the civilians
01:03:06that was taken
01:03:07by the coast guard
01:03:08they've lined them
01:03:09up on the side
01:03:10taken a photograph
01:03:11of them
01:03:11and the good thing
01:03:13for us
01:03:13although their names
01:03:14are mentioned
01:03:15in the documents
01:03:16the names are all
01:03:18on the back
01:03:18of the photograph
01:03:23and the U.S. Navy
01:03:25were brought in
01:03:26the next day
01:03:26they sent a gentleman
01:03:29and Mr. Ironhill Ryan
01:03:31one of the witnesses
01:03:32showed him
01:03:32where the incident
01:03:33happened
01:03:34and he said
01:03:35that the Navy
01:03:36were going to look
01:03:36into it
01:03:37and issue
01:03:37a full report
01:03:39but some naval
01:03:40workers aboard
01:03:41a ship
01:03:42on the Pascagoula
01:03:43River
01:03:43had already
01:03:44experienced
01:03:45something similar
01:03:46I had top secret
01:03:47clearance
01:03:47when I was
01:03:48in the Navy
01:03:49and
01:03:50which is one
01:03:51reason why
01:03:51I never talked
01:03:52about it
01:03:52in the Navy
01:03:53we could see
01:03:54six
01:03:57spherical
01:03:58shiny
01:03:58silver
01:03:59metallic
01:04:01looking
01:04:01aluminum
01:04:02looking
01:04:03objects
01:04:04in the water
01:04:05under the surface
01:04:07we're traveling
01:04:07about
01:04:08I would have
01:04:09to say
01:04:0935 to 40 knots
01:04:11they were traveling
01:04:12at a very rapid
01:04:13rate of speed
01:04:14they came from
01:04:15a southeasterly
01:04:16point
01:04:17came to the northwest
01:04:18and curved right
01:04:20up into the river
01:04:21and then when
01:04:23they came back out
01:04:24I assume
01:04:25it was the same
01:04:26six
01:04:26but six more
01:04:27came back out
01:04:28and they went
01:04:29straight into the gulf
01:04:30and from our
01:04:32vantage point here
01:04:33we saw them
01:04:34detected them
01:04:35and they were
01:04:35right about here
01:04:36and like I said
01:04:37it was only a few
01:04:38minutes before
01:04:39they were out of sight
01:04:39as they were
01:04:40traveling on
01:04:40extremely
01:04:42extremely rapid
01:04:43that night
01:04:43the coast guard
01:04:45saw objects
01:04:46just like we did
01:04:47a lot of the
01:04:48fishermen
01:04:50out in the gulf
01:04:51that had seen them
01:04:51described the same
01:04:53exact type of craft
01:04:55so it's a powerful
01:04:56powerful batch
01:04:58of evidence
01:04:58if you like
01:04:59if you were just
01:04:59looking at this case
01:05:00on its own
01:05:01it would be
01:05:01wow
01:05:02this is fascinating
01:05:03but of course
01:05:04it comes in the
01:05:05wake of what
01:05:06happened
01:05:06just a few weeks
01:05:07earlier
01:05:09the mystery
01:05:10of what happened
01:05:11in Pascagoula
01:05:12in 1973
01:05:14remains unsolved
01:05:15to this day
01:05:16decades later
01:05:18the questions linger
01:05:19but with all the
01:05:21eyewitnesses
01:05:22and the compelling
01:05:23accounts that have
01:05:24come out over the
01:05:24years
01:05:25the events in
01:05:26Pascagoula
01:05:27stand out
01:05:28as one of the
01:05:29most credible
01:05:30and fascinating
01:05:31glimpses
01:05:32into the unknown
01:05:33offering a story
01:05:34that continues
01:05:35to captivate
01:05:36and challenge
01:05:37our understanding
01:05:38of the world
01:05:39around us
01:05:40whatever happened
01:05:41in 1973
01:05:42the shared experiences
01:05:45of the residents
01:05:46of Pascagoula
01:05:47and those who
01:05:48witness things
01:05:49further afield
01:05:50will connect them
01:05:51forever
01:05:56and while
01:05:57Calvin Parker's
01:05:58story may have
01:05:59seemed increasingly
01:06:00plausible
01:06:01as more and more
01:06:02witnesses came
01:06:03forward over the
01:06:04years
01:06:05the truth remained
01:06:06that his life
01:06:08could never
01:06:08truly return
01:06:10to what it once
01:06:11was
01:06:13I had my plan
01:06:15for life
01:06:16when I was
01:06:1818 years old
01:06:19I had everything
01:06:20planned out
01:06:21the way that I
01:06:22wanted
01:06:22and I've always
01:06:24said I was
01:06:24going to get
01:06:25married
01:06:25buy a house
01:06:27have children
01:06:28have grandchildren
01:06:29retired
01:06:30and that was
01:06:32simple life
01:06:33that's all I wanted
01:06:35since this happened
01:06:37I chased the media
01:06:38the media's chased me
01:06:42they're set up
01:06:44at night
01:06:44wondering why
01:06:45I worry about
01:06:47this stuff
01:06:48and you're
01:06:49worrying
01:06:49it brings
01:06:51on sickness
01:06:52and I really
01:06:53believe
01:06:56you can wear
01:06:57yourself sick
01:07:00and I think
01:07:01that's something
01:07:01that's wrong
01:07:02with me
01:07:06so I wanted
01:07:07my life
01:07:08to be
01:07:09stable
01:07:10and I wanted
01:07:11my marriage
01:07:12to be stable
01:07:12and it is
01:07:15now
01:07:15and I got
01:07:17a great family
01:07:18I got a
01:07:18wonderful wife
01:07:20wonderful kids
01:07:23wonderful son-in-law
01:07:27and everything's
01:07:29stable now
01:07:30then I got sick
01:07:31so another curveball
01:07:33comes in
01:07:35so it's just
01:07:36something you have
01:07:37to deal with
01:07:38and I'm making
01:07:39plans now
01:07:41for them
01:07:42I'm not planning
01:07:43for myself
01:07:44because I don't
01:07:45feel like I'm
01:07:46going to be around
01:07:47nobody never knows
01:07:49but I don't
01:07:51want to leave
01:07:51this whole world
01:07:52and leave
01:07:53everybody in a bind
01:07:55I don't want
01:07:56to owe nobody
01:07:57no money
01:07:57I don't want to lie
01:07:59and to do right
01:08:01by your family
01:08:02and friends
01:08:04and to live
01:08:05by your conscience
01:08:10no I'm not
01:08:12afraid of it
01:08:12at all
01:08:15everybody's
01:08:15going to die
01:08:16so I'm not
01:08:16scared of dying
01:08:17I wouldn't be
01:08:19sitting here
01:08:19fixing to die
01:08:20and lying
01:08:21about it
01:08:22all
01:08:24so anyhow
01:08:25I want to say
01:08:25goodbye
01:08:26and goodnight
01:08:27to everybody
01:08:30everybody
01:08:31goodnight
01:08:33and I hope
01:08:33y'all
01:08:35enlightened
01:08:35somehow
01:09:12you
01:09:13do
01:09:14you
01:09:44...
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