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The Congress on Monday slammed the government over the arrest of its youth wing leaders in connection with the shirtless protest at the India AI Impact Summit last week.
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00:00Let's raise the big questions tonight. Is this a classic case of rule of power or rule of law?
00:06The IYC workers' arrests, is it illegal or is it fair to do such arrests in non-bailable provisions?
00:12Can public outrage decide punishment now? Is the right to protest subject to reasonable restrictions?
00:20Joining me now, Adil Singh Boparai, National Spokesperson Congress,
00:24Sayyid Zafar Islam, National Spokesperson and former MP, BJP, Yashu Bhardhan Azad, former IPS officer,
00:30and Tanvir Ahmed Meir, Senior Advocate at the Supreme Court.
00:35I want to come to each of you one by one. I want to go to my lawyer first because,
00:39Tanvir, I want you to tell me the law.
00:42Do you believe prima facie that this is a case that should attract non-bailable provisions where you can have
00:49conviction for up to three years?
00:51Is this a case where you believe there is an excessive use of the laws by the government?
00:59Or do you believe that the government is right when it says that they have every right to crack down
01:05on such protests?
01:07Purely from the legal point of view.
01:10Yes, I firmly believe that, forget the non-bailable provisions of penal law,
01:16even billable provisions are not made out in such a case.
01:20Such kind of protests are recognized all over the world.
01:24I'm reminded of ladies protesting in 2012 in Kiev,
01:31and they removed all their clothes to criticize the government
01:35because they were wanting to make prostitution legal in Ukraine.
01:40And many other incidents have happened.
01:42Now, insofar as a protest at any stage, whether it is India trade occasion or any other purpose,
01:51still the protests are peaceful and they are in any meaning,
01:56the political morality never comes into play.
02:00The question is whether the cops apply the law directly.
02:04I am also, Rajdeep, very well reminded of a very famous speech
02:09by one Mahmood Ali, way back in 1948,
02:14insofar as balancing the fundamental rights of speech with reasonable restrictions.
02:20And the debate emanated for 14 days.
02:23What came out is that even if somebody has overstepped,
02:28the overstepping will be judged only by an independent judiciary,
02:34not the executive at all.
02:36You have seen now that in so many occasions,
02:40the police officials now all over India want to talk about Delhi police.
02:44Most of the time on video, on TV, you will see them walking along with mobs
02:51where people are wanting to lynch each and every person.
02:55So Delhi police registering an FIR in this kind of an occasion
03:01is absolutely an act of being subservient to the executive
03:07and to the people in power.
03:09It's a shameless act on their part.
03:11Legally, the case has no legs to stand on.
03:16You're making a very...
03:17You're saying the Delhi police's act of arresting them
03:21while filing FIRs of the kind they have is a shameless act.
03:25Yashu Vardhan Azad,
03:27specifically the reasons given for the five-day custody by the police,
03:31that there was a security breach.
03:33Look at the location, high security event.
03:36They have claimed that the act was part of a larger conspiracy
03:39to defame the country and that they needed custody
03:45to identify other members, funding sources, digital evidence.
03:50And this was a case of a blatant assault on public order.
03:55Do you believe that a protest like this falls squarely
03:59within these various arguments being made by the police?
04:03Well, I think that's a very laughable kind of a plea
04:08which has been used by the Delhi police.
04:10Hey, come on.
04:11There are a few shirtless guys who are protesting against something.
04:16What are they protesting against this?
04:18Is there a deep conspiracy?
04:20Is there anything else involved in it?
04:23Okay, fine.
04:24It was kind of a lumpen attempt and, you know,
04:27this should not have been done.
04:28But does it mean anything beyond a protest against the Indo-USD?
04:35No, not at all.
04:37There is nothing in it.
04:39Now, if there is something involved that they have engaged,
04:43you know, and against the police,
04:45and they have heard the policemen, yes, I admit.
04:49But otherwise, there is nothing in it.
04:51And I totally agree with Tanbir when he says that,
04:55in fact, even the available section should not have been applied.
04:58The right of protest is there.
04:59Come on, Rajdeep.
05:01Aap dekhiyeh, France mein, England mein, kahein aur bhi aap jaiyeh.
05:05Nook khaade ho ka gaaliyan dehte hain.
05:07President ko, Prime Minister ko,
05:09or isko kuch na hi hota hai.
05:11This is a legitimate kind of protest.
05:14Remember the attack against how we were speaking against sedition?
05:19And we made it clear that any kind of criticism of the government
05:24is not the criticism of our nation.
05:27And this is exactly what has happened.
05:30They have said,
05:30Indo-USD kharabe, amnei kompromise kardiya hai.
05:33Prime Minister ne usko ye kardiya.
05:35Is this a kind of a thing to attract these kind of provisions?
05:39No.
05:40As an ex-police officer, let me tell you,
05:42it's a blatant violation of your fundamental rights to protest.
05:46And that's how it should be read.
05:48You know, very, very strong words,
05:50first from a lawyer and then from a senior lawyer
05:53and now from a senior police officer.
05:55Zafar Islam,
05:56is this an example of the government
05:58wanting to send a chilling effect?
06:00Tomorrow, no protest to be allowed.
06:02We will decide where you can protest,
06:04how you can protest.
06:05The protest may be inappropriate.
06:07I myself believe it was in poor form.
06:09But does that mean
06:11that you are going to put non-bailable offences
06:14and penalize them for up to three years?
06:16There was no violence in the protest.
06:19Are we living in Gandhi's India
06:21where peaceful protests
06:24will lead to such serious charges
06:27being put on them
06:28as if it's a conspiracy against the nation?
06:32Rajdeep, forget about all this statement
06:35which is coming from different people.
06:37But first of all,
06:38you have to see what the court has said.
06:41Right to protest doesn't mean
06:43it's a free pass.
06:44It's a free pass
06:45that you can choose the venue
06:47and the method the way you want.
06:49I mean, you have to understand
06:51why people are...
06:52You can put government in the dark.
06:54There is no problem.
06:55We have always...
06:55And often we have...
06:56The Honorable Prime Minister said
06:58that you can criticize us,
06:59you can put us in the dark,
07:00you can question the government of the day.
07:03But the method and the venue
07:06both were inappropriate.
07:08And that is something
07:09which everyone,
07:10every single person should understand.
07:11Inappropriate is not criminality.
07:13Mr. Zafar Islam,
07:14inappropriate protest
07:16does not mean it is criminality.
07:17Please show me what is the crime.
07:19I want to understand
07:20what is the criminality.
07:22I agree with you.
07:23Let's say that it is inappropriate.
07:25No, no, no.
07:25What is the crime?
07:28The fact that
07:29they have not been given bail,
07:31the fact that
07:33police has
07:35used certain
07:38BNS
07:39196 and 192
07:40something
07:41basically
07:42allows them
07:43to
07:45arrest them
07:45and
07:46interrogate them
07:47to understand
07:48what was the motive
07:49behind them
07:49because it was premeditated,
07:51it was preplanned,
07:53it was basically...
07:54No, no.
07:54One minute, one minute, one minute.
07:55No, no, sir.
07:55Sir, I am being very specific.
07:57One minute.
07:58No, no.
07:58One minute.
07:59196 BNS
08:00No, no.
08:00One minute, sir.
08:01196 BNS
08:02says
08:02promoting enmity
08:03between different groups
08:05on grounds of religion,
08:06race, language or caste.
08:07How does this protest
08:08come within that?
08:10Number two,
08:11121-1
08:12voluntarily causing
08:14hurt to a public servant.
08:15No public servant
08:16has been hurt
08:17in this case.
08:18Number 132
08:20BNS
08:20assault of criminal force
08:22to victor of public servant.
08:23You are using provisions
08:26which have nothing to do
08:27with the case itself.
08:29Rajdeep, first of all,
08:31was there any government there?
08:32Was there any
08:33BJP Karyakarta was there?
08:35Was there any
08:35government official
08:36was there?
08:37It was primarily
08:38a summit
08:40where all the
08:41international
08:41dignitaries were there.
08:43Why did they choose
08:44this venue?
08:46What is the law?
08:47No, law definitely
08:49law is being applied
08:50and law will be tested
08:51in the court
08:52not in the television debate.
08:54It is being tested
08:55in the court
08:55and the court
08:56has rejected the bill.
08:57Not you or me
08:58or the
08:59Yashavad and you or me
09:00Mr. Meen.
09:01It is a prorogative
09:02of the court
09:03to decide
09:03the merit of the case
09:04and it is for them
09:05to decide
09:05not me and you
09:06whether the bill
09:07to be given
09:08or not to be given.
09:08But what is important
09:12That point sir
09:13is well taken.
09:14What is I am trying
09:14to highlight
09:15that the purpose
09:16the intent
09:18and the planning
09:19both all suggest
09:21that it was primarily
09:23to hurt the interest
09:25of the nation
09:26and it was clearly
09:27to malign
09:29the image of the nation
09:30and that is the biggest crime.
09:30So you are calling it sedition?
09:32Biggest crime.
09:33So you are saying
09:34it is a case virtually?
09:35Okay.
09:36Let me just bring in
09:37Adil Singh Boparaya.
09:38Adil Singh Boparaya
09:39There is a point
09:40that Syed Zafar Islam makes
09:42the court is deciding
09:43this is a magistrate's court
09:44lower court
09:45but we have to go
09:46by what the court said
09:47the court could have rejected
09:48the police's arguments
09:50instead they have given
09:51five days police custody
09:52your response
09:56Mr. Sardasai
09:57the criminal justice system
09:59has become a tool
10:01to cater
10:02to the megalomania
10:04and the narcissism
10:05of the Prime Minister.
10:07This is the bitter truth.
10:08Point number one.
10:09Point number two.
10:11What do you expect us to do?
10:13We are gagged
10:14on the floor of the house.
10:15Agencies are let loose
10:16at us
10:17barring some honourable
10:18exceptions
10:19like your good self
10:20we have no voice
10:21on the media
10:22we are gagged there.
10:23There is
10:23an unprecedented
10:25propaganda
10:26tirade against us.
10:27Under these circumstances
10:28how do we express
10:30the voice
10:31the burning voice
10:31of 1.4 crore
10:331.4 billion Indians?
10:35Point number two.
10:36Point number three.
10:37I again say
10:39there has been
10:40a complete sellout
10:41of Indian interests
10:43by the Prime Minister.
10:44Now I don't know
10:45whether it is
10:46the Epstein case
10:47or it is the Adani case
10:48or is it some
10:49third issue
10:50or third reason
10:51why the Prime Minister
10:52is not speaking up
10:54but under these
10:55circumstances
10:55what have these
10:56young youth congress
10:57members done?
10:58the Prime Minister
10:59is not India
11:00according to the BJP
11:02they have brought shame
11:03just a minute
11:04according to the BJP
11:06Mr. Boparai
11:07and Zafar Islam
11:08said it
11:09that they have brought shame
11:10and some of your own
11:11allies are saying
11:12it was inappropriate
11:13to disrupt
11:15a global event
11:16so that is the argument
11:17that is being made
11:19and therefore
11:20it required a strong deterrent.
11:23The argument
11:24is that
11:25the law cannot be
11:27to please the BJP
11:28and their masters.
11:30The law has to be
11:31interpreted
11:32as it stands
11:32on the statute books.
11:34What did these
11:34protesters say?
11:36These protesters said
11:37that Mr. Modi
11:38has compromised
11:38India's interests
11:39which is a matter of fact.
11:41Now let me give you
11:42one instance.
11:43The American tariff
11:44has been reduced
11:45to 0%
11:45whereas they will charge us
11:4725%.
11:48Where is the reciprocity?
11:50Isn't this a sellout?
11:51When it came to Galvan
11:52when the army chief
11:54needed political direction
11:55Mr. Modi says
11:58number three
11:59during the Indo-Pak clashes
12:01Mr. Sardasai
12:02I put this question
12:03to you as a citizen
12:04of this country.
12:05Would you not have wanted
12:07the government of India
12:08to tell us
12:09that there has been
12:09a ceasefire
12:10between India and Pakistan
12:11rather than
12:12President Trump
12:13announcing this
12:13on the global stage?
12:15What have we become?
12:16What has Mr. Modi
12:17reduced us to?
12:18Mr. Modi
12:20for whatever reason
12:21Epstein, Adani
12:22or some third reason
12:24Mr. Trump
12:25has some leverage
12:26on the government
12:26of India
12:27more particularly
12:28on the Prime Minister
12:29which is compromising
12:30our interests
12:31and under these circumstances
12:33when the presiding officers
12:35of both houses
12:36of parliament
12:36have been reduced
12:37to a rubber stamp
12:38they've been reduced
12:39to BJP spokespersons
12:41where do people
12:42where do
12:43where does
12:44the ordinary voice
12:45this is a manifestation
12:48of the anger
12:49of the people?
12:51Rajiv you have to give me
12:52You know your anger
12:53you're saying
12:54it's a reflection
12:54of the anger
12:55of the people
12:56but at the end
12:56of the day
12:57there are those
12:57as I repeat
12:58including your allies
12:59who are saying
13:00it was inappropriate
13:01it was perhaps
13:03indisciplined
13:04to do it
13:04in the manner
13:05now the question
13:06is manner
13:06does not matter
13:07I'll give you
13:08a quick response
13:08Zafar Islam
13:09and then move
13:10to my other guest
13:10because
13:11Zafar Islam
13:12as I repeat
13:13I have a senior
13:14police officer here
13:15he's served
13:16at the very top
13:16he's saying
13:17there is no case
13:18made out
13:18Tanvir Ahmed Meer
13:20is a senior
13:20supreme court advocate
13:21says no case
13:22made out
13:22forget congress
13:23for a moment
13:24let's distinguish
13:25the mode of protest
13:27from how you
13:28have responded
13:28and there will be
13:30those who will say
13:30this is the Gujarat
13:32model that has
13:32come to Delhi
13:33that anybody
13:34who protests
13:35jail me dal do
13:35section 144
13:36is still operative
13:38in parts of Gujarat
13:39even 11 years
13:40after the
13:41partidar arrest
13:42are you telling me
13:43sir
13:44that the government
13:44will decide
13:45how I can protest
13:46where I can protest
13:48if I commit
13:49an act of violence
13:50you have every right
13:51to put me in jail
13:52but if I don't
13:53commit violence
13:54how does a protest
13:55become a criminal act
13:56sir
13:57please tell me
13:58which is the
13:58provision of the BNS
14:00Rajdeep
14:01there should be
14:02some method
14:02to madness
14:03it is nothing
14:04but a cheap
14:05publicity stunt
14:07which has been
14:08done
14:08at the behest
14:10of Rahul Gandhi
14:11let me agree
14:12with you
14:13what is the crime
14:14I agree
14:15let us say
14:16it's a cheap
14:17publicity stunt
14:18where is the crime
14:19when you are
14:20working against
14:21the interests
14:22of the nation
14:22when there are
14:23dignitaries
14:24from all over
14:25the world
14:25and such
14:26venue they have
14:27chosen to
14:28propagate
14:29what they wanted
14:30to propagate
14:30it is a shameful
14:31act
14:32it is against
14:32the interests
14:33of the nation
14:33it is a sedation
14:34kind of a sedation
14:35and they must be
14:37tried in the
14:37court of law
14:38and that is what
14:39the police is doing
14:40that is what
14:42the court is doing
14:43I think
14:43if Mr. Yasuo
14:45Vardhanji
14:45or Mr. Mirji
14:47if they feel
14:48that there should
14:49not be any case
14:50against those people
14:51they must go
14:51in the court
14:52of law
14:52and they must
14:53fight against
14:54for those people
14:55but having said that
14:56you want
14:57Yasuo Vardhan
14:57Azad
14:59let him respond
15:00Mr. Zafar Islam
15:01Yasuo Vardhan
15:02Azad has been
15:02waiting to respond
15:03to this
15:04sir let him respond
15:05now
15:05you have said
15:06it's a sedation
15:07just a minute
15:08sir
15:08no no
15:08sir let him
15:09now respond
15:10it's a sort of sedation
15:11when you are
15:12compromising with
15:13the nation
15:13and especially
15:14when you haven't
15:15ok
15:16I'll give it
15:16for a moment
15:17sir you made
15:18your point
15:19Zafar Islam
15:20I'm now lowering
15:21your volume
15:21you said it's a
15:22case of sedation
15:24ok it's a sort of
15:25sedation
15:25according to
15:26Yasuo Vardhan
15:27quickly respond
15:28Rajdi for 40 years
15:30I've been dealing
15:30with cases like
15:31this
15:32let me tell you
15:32something
15:33protests like
15:34this only
15:35enhance India's
15:37image
15:37damage
15:37when you have
15:39these
15:39environmental
15:40summits
15:41you have
15:42these
15:42peace
15:43all over
15:44they are
15:44blocking
15:45every way
15:45and I
15:46went to
15:47one of
15:47these
15:47summits
15:48as the
15:49PS2
15:49Kamal
15:50Nath
15:50who was
15:50the
15:50environment
15:51minister
15:51in Sweden
15:52and we
15:52had to
15:53walk
15:53back
15:53door
15:54these
15:55protests
15:55are allowed
15:56to enhance
15:57your image
15:58as a
15:58democracy
15:59come on
16:00it's a
16:01joke
16:01to keep
16:02those
16:02people
16:03and let
16:03me tell
16:04you
16:04Rajdi
16:04the
16:05biggest
16:06constitutional
16:07violation
16:08of
16:08fundamental
16:09liberty
16:09has been
16:10by the
16:10Delhi
16:11police
16:11to ask
16:12for
16:12remand
16:13of
16:13these
16:13people
16:14for
16:14what
16:15are
16:16you
16:16are
16:16you
16:17enravelling
16:17a kind
16:18of
16:18terrorist
16:19network
16:20no this
16:21is not
16:21done
16:22I'm
16:22sorry
16:23in this
16:24respect
16:24I'm
16:25totally
16:25against
16:26what the
16:27government
16:27has done
16:27and they
16:28should be
16:29freed
16:29immediately
16:30because
16:30they have
16:31a right
16:32to protest
16:33you made
16:34your point
16:34I just
16:35want to
16:35I just
16:36want to
16:36give
16:36what is
16:37the history
16:37bail or
16:38jail in
16:38protest
16:39take a
16:39look at
16:39this
16:39in the
16:40Anna Hazare
16:41movement
16:412011
16:42protesters
16:43were charged
16:44with preventive
16:44detention
16:45sedition and
16:46rioting but
16:46they were all
16:47released on
16:47bail without
16:48formal charges
16:49during the
16:50Nirbhaya case
16:50authorities filed
16:52cases such as
16:52rioting and
16:53assault on police
16:54but the detainees
16:55were immediately
16:55bailed out and
16:56the focus shifted
16:57to the criminal
16:58trial
16:58in the JNU
16:59sedition
17:00controversy
17:00case
17:01charges including
17:02sedition criminal
17:03conspiracy
17:03unlawful assembly
17:05were put in
17:05several accused
17:06only received
17:07interim bail
17:08after weeks or
17:08months
17:09JAT reservation
17:10agitation 2016
17:11saw charges of
17:12rioting sedition
17:13arson promoting
17:14enmity
17:14many cases were
17:16later withdrawn
17:16most protesters
17:17were granted bail
17:18and some served
17:19short term
17:20during the CA
17:21protests against
17:21sedition
17:22rioting to
17:23conspiracy
17:23and of course
17:24UAPA
17:25was also put in
17:26because they were
17:27rioting
17:27now in this case
17:28remember
17:28there
17:30even farmers
17:31protests
17:32we had sedition
17:33rioting
17:33conspiracy
17:34being put in
17:35I want to
17:36understand
17:36Tanvir Ahmed
17:37the point being
17:38made by
17:38Zayed Zafar
17:39Islam in
17:39particular
17:40is that this
17:41case attracts
17:42sedition
17:42that this should
17:43be seen as
17:44an anti-national
17:45act
17:45do you believe
17:47that this falls
17:48in any way
17:48within sedition
17:50not at all
17:51you really want
17:53to take your
17:54imagination
17:54to altogether
17:56a different
17:57orbit
17:57that's your
17:58personal choice
17:59but I would
18:00definitely
18:01second Mr.
18:02Azad
18:02that when
18:04in a
18:05a robust
18:07what is an
18:08example of a
18:09robust democracy
18:10even if there
18:12are foreign
18:12dignitaries
18:13foreign
18:13participants
18:14when they
18:14see that
18:15this is a
18:16country where
18:17even on such
18:18occasions
18:18a protest
18:19is sustained
18:20it enhances
18:21certainly the
18:22image
18:22which is the
18:23image all
18:23over the
18:24world
18:24but coming
18:25back to
18:26the whiplash
18:27of the
18:28cops
18:28the
18:29manifestation
18:30of a
18:31malefide
18:31criminal case
18:32is
18:33infliction
18:34of 196
18:34on its
18:35own
18:35when
18:36Rajdeep
18:37you raked
18:37up this
18:38issue
18:38that on
18:39a peaceful
18:40protest
18:40certainly
18:41people taking
18:42out t-shirts
18:43and protesting
18:44about certain
18:45things
18:46legitimately
18:46without any
18:48element of
18:48violence
18:49nobody is
18:50penting stones
18:51nobody is
18:52burning anything
18:53down
18:53then the
18:54cops first
18:55have to be
18:56the judge of
18:56the cause
18:57themselves
18:58I agree with
18:59the BJP
19:01spokesperson to
19:02a certain
19:02extent
19:02that why did
19:04the judge
19:04grant remark
19:05well the
19:06judge was
19:06not able to
19:07do or to
19:08contemplate the
19:09matter in its
19:10proper perspective
19:11well that doesn't
19:12mean that the
19:12judge is right
19:15it may not
19:16mean that the
19:16judge is right
19:17but the
19:17government will
19:18say look we
19:18are following
19:19the rule of
19:19law that
19:20the police have
19:22gone to the
19:22court the
19:23court they've
19:23got a remand
19:24what else is
19:26the that is a
19:28matter of fact
19:29Rajdeep now I
19:29am reminded of a
19:30very famous
19:31judgment written
19:32by the supreme
19:33court in 1989
19:35called as a
19:36Ranga Rajan
19:38versus Babu
19:38Jagjeevan Ramji
19:39as the gentleman
19:41then was and
19:42when it came to
19:43interpretation of
19:45any kind of
19:46reasonable
19:46restrictions in
19:48terms of any
19:49action penal
19:50action or
19:51otherwise what
19:52supreme court
19:53said irrefragably
19:55that this the
19:56power and the
19:58fundamental right
19:58for your expression
20:00of speech must
20:01prevail everything
20:03else should be
20:04subservient unless
20:05and until there is
20:07not violence in the
20:08whole act now the
20:10present okay I've
20:12taken I've heard
20:13your point sir I've
20:15heard your point
20:15you're saying that
20:16reasonable restriction
20:17you'll have to show
20:18an act of violence
20:19or promoting
20:20incitement to
20:21violence none of
20:22which Adil Boparai
20:24I'll give you a
20:24word and then
20:24Zafar Islam you
20:26deserve the final
20:26word but Adil
20:27Singh Boparai
20:29irrespective of
20:30this there are two
20:30aspects one it is
20:32being seen as a
20:32political embarrassment
20:33to your party even
20:34your own allies are
20:35not supporting you
20:36the fact is that
20:37that's the political
20:38embarrassment today I'm
20:39focusing on the law
20:40do you believe
20:41somewhere that the
20:42Congress while
20:43asking for your
20:45workers to be
20:46released are you
20:46conscious that it
20:47has embarrassed you
20:48politically or not
20:51Mr. Sardasai the
20:52BJP is pushing the
20:53country down
20:54very dangerous
21:03okay we are having
21:04a little network
21:05issue with you
21:09okay I'm having a
21:10network issue with
21:10Adil Singh Boparai
21:11but Sayyad Zafar
21:13Islam therefore to
21:14you the
21:14Mr. Zafar Islam
21:15is saying can you
21:16hear me am I
21:17audible yes
21:18yeah yeah please go
21:19ahead am I audible
21:22my my point is
21:23that a handful of
21:24boys protesting at
21:26a summit a handful of
21:27boys protesting at
21:28the summit is not
21:29an affront to the
21:30sovereignty of this
21:31country that is not
21:32sedition if the BJP
21:34thinks this is
21:34sedition then I think
21:35we are formally into
21:36a police state in
21:37autocratic country
21:38point number one
21:39point number two
21:40why is the BJP so
21:42thin-skinned we are
21:44making allegations
21:45accusations based on
21:46material against the
21:47prime minister Mr.
21:49Modi individually is
21:50not India let's not
21:52conflate you don't
21:53need a shuntless protest
21:54to do that with due
21:55regard sir you have
21:56every right to make
21:57those allegations you
21:58didn't possibly need a
21:59shuntless protest to do
22:00that but I will give
22:01look at the circumstances
22:03in which we live today
22:05we are being gagged we
22:07are being gagged at
22:08every avenue we are
22:09being stifled under
22:11these circumstances
22:11young boys and girls
22:13are finding creative
22:14ways to express their
22:15anger
22:17you are saying it's a
22:18creative way to express
22:19your anger no one
22:20gags you at least not
22:21on news today okay but
22:23I will I will give you
22:24a final words up for
22:25Islam irrespective of
22:26that are you take
22:27turning I repeat this
22:28look at the history you
22:30are going to put
22:31sedition for a case
22:32like this then we are
22:34becoming a police state
22:35no no no allow me to
22:36respond first of all
22:37this kind of bestest
22:38allegation made by
22:40Adil Singh Bapurai that
22:42they are being gagged I
22:44mean look at their own
22:45own senior leader
22:48Margaret Elwa what did
22:49she say it is they are
22:51compromising with the
22:52dignity of the nation
22:53why did she has to say
22:54this because she
22:55understand that there's
22:57the malefied intent of
22:58on part of Rahul Gandhi
23:00and his lieutenant
23:02Venu Gopal because
23:04they they could have
23:05protested they can
23:06protest they can they
23:07could have spoken about
23:09it in the so you will
23:10decide you will decide
23:11the the government will
23:13decide how I can protest
23:14you will decide how I can
23:15protest as I repeat
23:16where is the violence
23:17if there is a violence
23:18you please throw the
23:19rule book at them
23:20the government will not
23:21decide it is for them
23:22to understand where they
23:24should have chosen they
23:24should have chosen the
23:25right venue by the
23:27their own that's the
23:28political why their own
23:31alliance partners are
23:32criticizing them because
23:33they have crossly made
23:35this kind of a in
23:36inappropriate
23:37okay
23:40inappropriate
23:42and the wrong method
23:43of dissent
23:44okay I've heard
23:45they can have this
23:46kind of okay I've
23:46heard both sides
23:47I've heard both sides
23:49I've heard both sides
23:51sir I thank you all
23:52I've heard both sides
23:53time for my take
23:55it is my belief
23:56thank you all to my
23:58guests
23:58listen carefully
23:59it is my belief
24:01that the shirtless
24:02protest by youth
24:03congress workers while
24:05entering the Bharat
24:05Mandapam during the AI
24:07summit was in poor
24:08form inappropriate in my
24:10view and wholly
24:10unnecessary
24:11healthy democracy
24:12demands restraint at
24:14times more than
24:15theatrics to grab
24:16attention
24:17but BUT and this is an
24:19important BUT but
24:21what the IYC workers did
24:23may have been
24:24inappropriate but it
24:25is not a criminal act
24:27the right to protest is
24:29an ineliable right in a
24:31democracy I may not like
24:33the form of protest but
24:34that doesn't mean you
24:35criminalize a policeful
24:36protest only because you
24:38are discomforted by it
24:40if you do that you're
24:41heading towards a police
24:42state imposing non
24:44available provisions in a
24:45case like this is
24:47clearly a disproportionate
24:48response to the act
24:50itself a country my
24:51friends must be driven by
24:53the rule of law and not
24:55by the rule of arbitrary
24:57power or dare I say
24:59hyper-partisan public
25:02outrage if you do that
25:03and I repeat it you
25:05could be heading towards
25:06a police state and that's
25:08not what the idea of
25:10India was meant to be
25:12think about
25:13just because it's
25:14not
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