UnPolitics: Milind Deora on Congress exit, Mahayuti role, 2029 South Mumbai bid

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On a special episode of UnPolitics, Milind Deora spoke about leaving the Congress to join Maharashtra’s Mahayuti alliance, saying the party had drifted from the centrist economic vision of his father, Murli Deora.

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00:00:12Where family legacy is concerned, he's the son of Mr. Burli Dhevra, one of the youngest

00:00:18MPs in Parliament, Cabinet Minister, but then he was with the Congress, now he is with

00:00:24Mr. Eknath Shinde, Shiv Sena. Our next guest on UNPOLITICS is Mr. Milind Dhevra.

00:00:33Thank you, sir. Warm welcome. Thank you. Come.

00:00:40You know, Mr. Dhevra, you say you were never valued in the Congress.

00:00:42Sir, I don't think I left the Congress. I think the Congress left me.

00:00:45Sharad Pawar Ji himself has come out and said that there were talks of both the factions coming in together.

00:00:50Can't predict what will happen to their party.

00:00:51The aspiration of Eknath Shindeji was to come back as Chief Minister.

00:00:55The BJP is party number one and that aspiration would never be fulfilled.

00:00:58The speculation is that Milind Dhevra was coerced and forced into fighting that seat.

00:01:02He didn't want to fight against Aditya Thakere.

00:01:05No one can coerce me.

00:01:06Is it as bad as it looks in Parliament?

00:01:08Certain parties in the opposition have the ability to use wit.

00:01:13Those that don't scream, shout.

00:01:15Are you looking forward to maybe fight a Lok Sabha election again?

00:01:26Mr. Dhevra, welcome to UnPolitics.

00:01:28Thank you for taking the time out and joining us.

00:01:30You're in Delhi attending Parliament.

00:01:32We highly appreciate it that you're speaking with us.

00:01:35But as the nature of our show, you know, I'm sure you're used to very rich introductions,

00:01:39is to ask our guests to introduce themselves to our listeners and audiences.

00:01:44So how will Mr. Milind Dhevra introduce himself to our listeners and those who, because it's

00:01:50a video podcast as well.

00:01:52Well, my name is Milind Dhevra.

00:01:54I'm a member of Parliament in the Appa House from the Rajasabha, from Shiv Sena, from Harashtra.

00:02:00I've had, I've been in politics for the last 21 years, directly.

00:02:06I've grown up in a political home and I've had the opportunity to represent Mumbai in Parliament,

00:02:13starting from 2004.

00:02:16And that's my political introduction.

00:02:19If you ask me for other, the other aspects of my life, I'm also a musician.

00:02:24I'm also a guitar player.

00:02:26I'm a very proud father and a proud husband.

00:02:31You also come from very rich, familial legacy of being Mr. Milind Dhevra's son.

00:02:37And, you know, that carries a lot of weight itself in what you are today.

00:02:40Do you agree with that?

00:02:41Absolutely.

00:02:41I'm a very proud son as well.

00:02:43I'm a proud son to my father who served the city I was born in.

00:02:49And with great dignity, represented India to the best of his abilities.

00:02:59Really was one of the unique politicians in our country who could cut across party lines

00:03:02and do what was important for the city, the state, the country.

00:03:06I'm also very proud of my mother, who is one of India's top bridge players

00:03:12and has won a silver medal in the Asian Games for India.

00:03:19So, as I said, I'm a proud father, a proud husband and also a very proud son.

00:03:23You talk about your father's legacy and, you know, some would add to it

00:03:28that he was also a true blue congressman.

00:03:30He was, yes.

00:03:32Pun intended.

00:03:34Well, you know, I said, I mean, the question is, I guess, why did I leave Congress?

00:03:39And I've said that many times in the last two years.

00:03:42And I actually said this to someone else.

00:03:44I said, I don't think I left the Congress.

00:03:45I think the Congress left me.

00:03:46I don't think the Congress is the same party that it was a little over two decades ago

00:03:54when I entered politics.

00:03:55I certainly don't believe the Congress is the same party it was in 1968

00:04:01when my late father entered politics and he became a municipal councillor for the first time.

00:04:06So, the party has changed.

00:04:08The nature of politics has changed.

00:04:12I think the party was traditionally, at least in the past, it was somewhat of a centrist party.

00:04:18If I look at, let's say, the economic agenda of the Congress party,

00:04:22it provided a centrist view towards what India's economic agenda should look like.

00:04:27I don't see any of that today.

00:04:29So, that's history for me now.

00:04:31I think my father, you know, he was somebody who put his country before party.

00:04:38And that's something he always taught me.

00:04:39And he wore that on his sleeve.

00:04:41He was never afraid to express his views in terms of what was good for the country.

00:04:47And even if sometimes that clashed with what was good for the party, many times it did.

00:04:51He was someone who believed India must have traditional deep relations,

00:04:58must maintain deep relations with countries like Russia.

00:05:00But we must also build bridges with the West in the 70s and 80s.

00:05:05That was not something which was a Congress position, for instance.

00:05:09Coming from Mumbai, coming from a very humble background,

00:05:12a man who then went on to become a trader, a businessman,

00:05:15set up one of the first packaging companies in the country,

00:05:18he always believed that India's private sector needs to come of age,

00:05:22needs to be unleashed.

00:05:24You need to make things easier to do business now.

00:05:26That's become a common mantra across parties.

00:05:28But the party that I belong to, that he belong to,

00:05:32has taken a very different turn when it comes to the economic agenda.

00:05:35So, as I said, I think the party has changed considerably.

00:05:39I'm not even sure if he would recognize the party

00:05:41in the shape and form that it's in today.

00:05:43You know, I'm going to revisit you leaving the Congress

00:05:46and we'll speak a little later about that.

00:05:48But I want to talk about the current context of Maharashtra politics.

00:05:51These have been tumultuous times in Maharashtra.

00:05:54You have the death of Mr. Rajit Pawar,

00:05:58which has been very, very tragic.

00:06:01You know, there's a flux in Maharashtra politics,

00:06:03especially in the last couple of years.

00:06:05You know, how close were you to Mr. Rajit Pawar?

00:06:09What was your relationship with him?

00:06:10Well, you know, my...

00:06:11So, of course, in the United Congress,

00:06:15we were all part of that United Congress family back in the day.

00:06:19And my late father was really Pawar Sahib's contemporary.

00:06:24They were Shahid Pawars.

00:06:25And my late father were really contemporaries in politics.

00:06:29So, I've seen many a times in Delhi, in Mumbai,

00:06:32Ajit Pawar as a young political activist

00:06:36coming to meet my late father.

00:06:37I wouldn't say I got...

00:06:38I knew him personally.

00:06:39I really got to know him

00:06:42after 2004 when I first became an MP.

00:06:44And from 2004 to 14,

00:06:46there was a Democratic Front government

00:06:48in the state of Maharashtra

00:06:50in which it was a Congress NCP government.

00:06:52I got to know him from 2004

00:06:54and there were many periods

00:06:55when he was also a Deputy Chief Minister

00:06:57during that time.

00:06:59So, I would say I certainly shared

00:07:01a personal relationship with him.

00:07:02I got to know him much better

00:07:04in the last few years.

00:07:07And what can I say?

00:07:08I mean, shocking and very, very sad.

00:07:12You know, cutting across party lines,

00:07:14he was someone who enjoyed

00:07:16a tremendous amount of support

00:07:18from all parties,

00:07:19from all political activists

00:07:21across the political spectrum

00:07:22in Maharashtra.

00:07:23And we have a pretty wide spectrum

00:07:26in Maharashtra today.

00:07:28And one of...

00:07:29The best example of that is,

00:07:31as we speak,

00:07:32it's, you know,

00:07:33on the occasion of the birthday

00:07:34of Eknachinde,

00:07:37the party and Eknachinde

00:07:39have chosen not to commemorate his birthday,

00:07:41celebrate his birthday

00:07:41as a tribute to him.

00:07:43And many other politicians

00:07:44from the opposition

00:07:44also feel the same way.

00:07:46So, he was a unique person.

00:07:47He was very unique

00:07:48in Indian politics,

00:07:49not just Maharashtrian politics.

00:07:51He had the ability

00:07:52to take people along.

00:07:53He had the ability

00:07:54to do what was right

00:07:56for the state.

00:07:58I like that he was also

00:07:59fiscally prudent

00:08:01and was a very good administrator,

00:08:04a very, very good administrator.

00:08:06And I'm sure his skills

00:08:08as an effective,

00:08:11knowledgeable administrator

00:08:12will be missed

00:08:13by the Maharashtra government today.

00:08:15Mr. Deeraw,

00:08:15that is the nature of politics,

00:08:16that it's, you know,

00:08:18right after,

00:08:18in the tragic circumstances

00:08:20that he passed,

00:08:21we had his wife

00:08:22take over as deputy chief minister.

00:08:24There is already,

00:08:26you know,

00:08:27while the last rites

00:08:28were going on,

00:08:29there was enough talk

00:08:29of what now,

00:08:30you know,

00:08:30what happens with the MCP.

00:08:32And that's the sad,

00:08:32tragic nature

00:08:33of Indian politics,

00:08:34not just limited to Maharashtra.

00:08:35I would,

00:08:36you know,

00:08:36it's true.

00:08:37What you're saying

00:08:38is absolutely right

00:08:39that people,

00:08:40the politicians,

00:08:42journalists are concerned

00:08:43about what will happen

00:08:44in the future of NCP.

00:08:45To be honest,

00:08:46I still,

00:08:46when people ask me

00:08:47that question,

00:08:48number one,

00:08:48I don't know.

00:08:50Number two,

00:08:51I would rather

00:08:52we remember him.

00:08:53It's hardly been,

00:08:54it's just been a few days

00:08:55since he passed

00:08:56and I would still like

00:08:57to remember him

00:08:58for the man that he was,

00:08:59for the administrator

00:09:01that he was.

00:09:02What will happen

00:09:02to his party,

00:09:03what will happen

00:09:04to the party

00:09:04they broke away from?

00:09:06Time will tell.

00:09:08But his uncle,

00:09:10Sharad Pawarji,

00:09:10himself has come out

00:09:11and said that

00:09:12there were talks

00:09:12of both the factions

00:09:13coming in together

00:09:14and that might be

00:09:15put on hold right now.

00:09:16How do you view that?

00:09:17I don't know.

00:09:17Honest answer is

00:09:18I don't know.

00:09:19I can't predict

00:09:19what will happen

00:09:20to their party.

00:09:20I can speak for my own party.

00:09:22So somebody who's

00:09:23a politician,

00:09:24would it be politically

00:09:25My sense is,

00:09:26my sense is

00:09:28that given the fact

00:09:29that we have just

00:09:30concluded the last

00:09:31leg of local body

00:09:32elections in Maharashtra,

00:09:33the Zilla Parishad elections,

00:09:35recently we had

00:09:36the municipal

00:09:37corporation elections,

00:09:38municipal council elections.

00:09:41There's no election

00:09:42in Maharashtra

00:09:43for the next

00:09:44three and a half years.

00:09:45The next election

00:09:46in Maharashtra

00:09:46is the Lok Sabha election.

00:09:48After that,

00:09:49four years later

00:09:50you will have

00:09:50the Vidhan Sabha election.

00:09:52So really,

00:09:53Maharashtra's election

00:09:54season is done

00:09:55and dusted.

00:09:56So to me,

00:09:57is there any need

00:09:58for parties

00:09:59to talk about

00:10:00mergers,

00:10:02doing deals together?

00:10:03It doesn't seem likely.

00:10:05But what will happen

00:10:05to their party?

00:10:06As I said,

00:10:07time will tell.

00:10:07It's not something

00:10:08I can speak about.

00:10:08You don't want them

00:10:09to come together?

00:10:10I really don't know.

00:10:10I really don't know

00:10:11and I really can't say.

00:10:13I think the fact that

00:10:14they have,

00:10:16the party has decided

00:10:17to elect his wife

00:10:20as the leader of the party,

00:10:21someone who I know,

00:10:21she sat just behind me

00:10:23in the Rajasaba

00:10:25as a leader of the party.

00:10:27I mean,

00:10:27that's a signal on its own.

00:10:29But what will happen

00:10:30in the future?

00:10:31I have no idea.

00:10:32It's also family,

00:10:33so you never know

00:10:34what can happen.

00:10:34You talk of local body polls

00:10:36and with your own party

00:10:38that you're very new to,

00:10:41it didn't go off too well.

00:10:42Where the Shiv Zainas

00:10:44is concerned.

00:10:44Of course,

00:10:44your alliance did really well.

00:10:46But where your party

00:10:47has possibly

00:10:48how much you would have expected.

00:10:49Well,

00:10:49I think we did extremely well

00:10:50in the state,

00:10:51across the state.

00:10:52No,

00:10:52I'm talking about BMC elections.

00:10:53In the Mumbai election,

00:10:54so in Mumbai,

00:10:56I can say that

00:10:56when it comes to today

00:10:58in Maharashtra,

00:11:01we are the Shiv Zainas

00:11:02led by Mr. Ikhnachin.

00:11:03They are the second largest

00:11:04party in Maharashtra

00:11:05without any doubt.

00:11:07In rural Maharashtra

00:11:08and urban Maharashtra.

00:11:10In the Lok Sabha election,

00:11:11our strike rate

00:11:12was considerably better

00:11:13than Udhap Thakre's

00:11:15UBT strike rate.

00:11:16In the Vidhan Sabha election,

00:11:18we did far better.

00:11:19In Mumbai,

00:11:21Mumbai is a different

00:11:22ballgame.

00:11:22But even Vidhan Sabha elections

00:11:24where Mumbai was concerned,

00:11:25you didn't do as well.

00:11:26So Mumbai,

00:11:26as I said,

00:11:27Mumbai is a difficult,

00:11:28is a different

00:11:29ballgame.

00:11:30Mumbai is a place

00:11:30where the UBT faction

00:11:34still has

00:11:34a strong presence.

00:11:36I don't deny that.

00:11:37For instance,

00:11:38But Mr. Dior,

00:11:39I'm sorry,

00:11:39I'm interrupting you.

00:11:40For instance,

00:11:40Aditya Thakre himself

00:11:41is an MLA

00:11:42from Mumbai.

00:11:43You fought

00:11:44and lost against him.

00:11:45Yes.

00:11:45By a margin of just 8,000.

00:11:47By hardly anything.

00:11:47I mean,

00:11:48had we planned better,

00:11:49perhaps,

00:11:50I mean,

00:11:50It was tight.

00:11:50But my question is not that.

00:11:52My question is

00:11:52that Mumbai

00:11:54is where

00:11:55the might

00:11:57of Bal Thakre

00:11:58germinated.

00:11:59It was,

00:12:00it's Mumbai

00:12:00where the original

00:12:01Shiv Saina was strong.

00:12:03And if today

00:12:04you have Mumbai

00:12:04where,

00:12:05which has answered

00:12:06in terms of

00:12:07a mandate

00:12:08way higher

00:12:09for UBT,

00:12:10Shiv Saina.

00:12:11So I don't think

00:12:11we should see

00:12:12in the context

00:12:12of the legacy

00:12:13of Bal Thakre.

00:12:14No,

00:12:14I would say this.

00:12:15Where do you say that?

00:12:15Since people have decided.

00:12:17The legacy

00:12:17of Balasar Thakre

00:12:18is very clear.

00:12:19If the legacy

00:12:20of Balasar Thakre,

00:12:22the voters of

00:12:23Maharashtra

00:12:23have decisively

00:12:25voted in favor

00:12:26of Eknath Shindeji

00:12:27in the Lok Sabha

00:12:28election,

00:12:28in the Vidhan Sabha

00:12:29elections,

00:12:30in the corporation

00:12:31election,

00:12:31as I said,

00:12:32across the state,

00:12:33now take a place

00:12:34like Thane,

00:12:35take a place

00:12:36like Kalyan Domiuli.

00:12:37That's where

00:12:37Eknath Shinde is strong.

00:12:38Yes,

00:12:38but these were

00:12:39traditional Shiv Saina

00:12:40strongholds.

00:12:40We've broken them there.

00:12:42Today,

00:12:42the fact that in Mumbai,

00:12:43we fought as an alliance,

00:12:45we fought far less seats

00:12:46than the BJP did,

00:12:47mind you.

00:12:48Of course.

00:12:48So,

00:12:49as an alliance,

00:12:50has the alliance

00:12:51defeated Uttar Thakre's party?

00:12:53I'm not talking

00:12:54about the alliance.

00:12:55No,

00:12:55but it has to be seen

00:12:56in the context of an alliance.

00:12:57Of course.

00:12:58And in the context

00:12:58of an alliance,

00:12:59the fact that they were

00:12:59dislodged after almost

00:13:0030 years,

00:13:02demonstrates that that

00:13:03party is on the wane

00:13:04even in Mumbai.

00:13:04But barely dislodged

00:13:05and where the direct

00:13:06fights were concerned

00:13:08between you

00:13:08and which is your party,

00:13:10Eknath Shinde faction

00:13:11and the Shiv Saina UBT

00:13:12in those direct contests.

00:13:14It didn't look like it.

00:13:14So,

00:13:14I can tell you one thing.

00:13:15Because they've done better.

00:13:16So,

00:13:16I'll tell you one thing.

00:13:18If you look at

00:13:19what happened after Lok Sabha

00:13:20and how that impacted

00:13:21the Vidhan Sabha,

00:13:22if you look at what happened

00:13:22after Vidhan Sabha

00:13:23across the state

00:13:24and how that impacted

00:13:25the local elections

00:13:26and the local elections,

00:13:27as I said,

00:13:28we've swept.

00:13:30If you look at Shiv Saina

00:13:31led by Eknath Shindeji

00:13:32against UBT,

00:13:34we have swept the elections,

00:13:35local body elections

00:13:36across Maharashtra.

00:13:36I can assure you,

00:13:38even in a city like Mumbai,

00:13:39it's only a matter of time

00:13:41before UBT's power,

00:13:43before their base wanes.

00:13:44And the natural shift

00:13:45will be to us.

00:13:46There's no question about that.

00:13:48So,

00:13:49as I said,

00:13:49there's no election

00:13:50in Maharashtra now

00:13:51for the next three and a half years.

00:13:52There's plenty of time

00:13:53for us to strengthen

00:13:55our base in Mumbai.

00:13:56Try to understand also that

00:13:58even though

00:13:59we are the Shiv Saina,

00:14:00we are relatively

00:14:02a new outfit.

00:14:04You have the party symbol.

00:14:05That doesn't,

00:14:06that's not everything.

00:14:07Of course that matters.

00:14:08That is huge.

00:14:09Of course that matters.

00:14:10But the fact that

00:14:10you're a relatively new party,

00:14:12you've taken

00:14:14time to come of age

00:14:15to build

00:14:15a base,

00:14:17you build a base online,

00:14:18you build a base offline,

00:14:19to have a Karekarta network,

00:14:21to go to the people.

00:14:22The fact that

00:14:23we've been able to do

00:14:24what we've been able to do

00:14:25in a few years,

00:14:26in just a couple of years,

00:14:27makes me very confident

00:14:29based on our past performance

00:14:30that going forward,

00:14:31we will 150%

00:14:33become the Shiv Saina

00:14:35of Mumbai.

00:14:36Since you're specifically

00:14:37asking about Mumbai,

00:14:37we will 100%

00:14:38become the Shiv Saina of Mumbai.

00:14:39There's no question in my mind.

00:14:40You speak of it.

00:14:41And I'll tell you why.

00:14:42I'll tell you why.

00:14:42If you followed the campaign

00:14:44very closely,

00:14:46the campaign of

00:14:47the UBT faction

00:14:50suddenly ditching Congress

00:14:52and suddenly joining hands

00:14:53with Raj Thakri,

00:14:54the campaign was purely

00:14:56an emotional pitch.

00:14:57What was the emotional pitch?

00:14:58Please give us one more chance,

00:15:00otherwise we'll die.

00:15:01That was the essence

00:15:02of their pitch,

00:15:03of both the parties,

00:15:04of both the brothers.

00:15:05Because both the brothers

00:15:06knew that they've been

00:15:08completely pushed

00:15:09out of Maharashtra.

00:15:10And the only place

00:15:12where they have

00:15:12somewhat of a base left

00:15:14is Mumbai.

00:15:15And Mumbai was also

00:15:16the cash cow for them.

00:15:17Mumbai was also the place

00:15:18from which they ran their party.

00:15:20They drew money.

00:15:21That's why Mumbai

00:15:22was plagued with

00:15:23all kinds of governance problems

00:15:25from potholes

00:15:26to also the hospitals.

00:15:27But, you know...

00:15:29I was never a part of that.

00:15:3024, okay, yeah.

00:15:31I was never a part of that.

00:15:32Yeah, you were not.

00:15:33So, I've always opposed that.

00:15:34I've always fought

00:15:34consistently against that.

00:15:37The fact that they used

00:15:38that pitch,

00:15:41which is an emotional pitch,

00:15:42that give us one more chance,

00:15:44otherwise we'll die.

00:15:46That's something which

00:15:47I don't deny.

00:15:48It may have made voters

00:15:49a little emotional

00:15:49and said,

00:15:50let's give them one more chance.

00:15:51But that's not...

00:15:52And that's not going to sustain...

00:15:53But the data doesn't project that.

00:15:54The data actually projects

00:15:55that if the Congress

00:15:55and the Shiv Sena,

00:15:56which is the Undhav Thakre Shiv Sena,

00:15:58would have fought together,

00:15:59they would have done better.

00:16:00That's not true.

00:16:00That's, by the way,

00:16:01not true at all.

00:16:02I'm just thinking...

00:16:03That's not something...

00:16:03But you can't add...

00:16:04In terms of the wall.

00:16:05You can't say

00:16:06vote share of this party,

00:16:07which has a completely

00:16:08different ideology

00:16:09to Raj Thakre and Udhav Thakre,

00:16:10if they came together

00:16:11and we added them together,

00:16:12we'll get better.

00:16:13Well, you know,

00:16:13because they worked together

00:16:14in the assembly elections

00:16:15and Lok Sabay.

00:16:16They had Raj Thakre together.

00:16:18They didn't have Raj Thakre

00:16:18in the assembly of the parliament.

00:16:19Of course they didn't.

00:16:20Yeah.

00:16:20They didn't.

00:16:21So if they had that,

00:16:22the vote share

00:16:22would have been very different.

00:16:24Congress voters

00:16:25who are primarily minorities

00:16:26would not have voted for UBT

00:16:27if they had Raj Thakre with them.

00:16:30That's debatable.

00:16:31If it's the cost of voting

00:16:32for the BJP,

00:16:33they'd rather vote for Raj Thakre.

00:16:35I can guarantee you

00:16:36that would not have happened.

00:16:36So those are again...

00:16:37Those are debatable things.

00:16:39But I can tell you that

00:16:40this pitch,

00:16:41which was an emotional pitch,

00:16:43did it work for them

00:16:44as compared to,

00:16:46let's say,

00:16:46in certain seats

00:16:47where they were fighting

00:16:47directly against us?

00:16:48Perhaps I did.

00:16:49In certain seats

00:16:50where they were fighting

00:16:51against BJP,

00:16:52did it work for them?

00:16:52Yes, I did.

00:16:53But despite that emotional pitch

00:16:55that we are finished

00:16:56across Maharashtra,

00:16:57we are only left in Mumbai,

00:16:59please allow us

00:16:59to retain Mumbai,

00:17:01the NDA as a whole

00:17:03scored a decisive victory

00:17:05and we defeated them,

00:17:06as I said,

00:17:06after 30 long years.

00:17:08And they've used

00:17:08that pitch before.

00:17:10But this time,

00:17:11the fact that NDA won

00:17:14on its own to me

00:17:15means with NDA

00:17:16being in power

00:17:16in the Mumbai municipality

00:17:17with a strong focus

00:17:19on improving governance

00:17:20after 25 long years,

00:17:22with NDA being in power

00:17:23in the state,

00:17:23in the center,

00:17:24I'm very confident

00:17:26that in the next

00:17:27three and a half years,

00:17:28you will see

00:17:29a very different Mumbai

00:17:30when it comes to UBT.

00:17:32You will see that vote,

00:17:33you will see that base

00:17:34wanting to shift elsewhere

00:17:35because the party

00:17:36will not be able

00:17:37to sustain itself

00:17:38and the voters

00:17:39will see through

00:17:40an emotional pitch

00:17:41of saying,

00:17:42give us one more chance.

00:17:43Okay,

00:17:43you know,

00:17:44you talk of

00:17:44there is no election

00:17:45and you're right,

00:17:46but there's aspiration

00:17:46and it did seem

00:17:48for a very long time

00:17:49that the aspiration

00:17:50of your leader,

00:17:51Eknat Shindeji,

00:17:52was to come back

00:17:53as chief minister.

00:17:54Now,

00:17:54with the latest

00:17:55local body election results,

00:17:56it does seem

00:17:57and the kind of atmosphere

00:17:59you see

00:17:59where the BJP

00:18:00is party number one

00:18:01and that aspiration

00:18:01would never be fulfilled.

00:18:03Well,

00:18:04what's wrong

00:18:04in having that aspiration?

00:18:05Okay,

00:18:06so you continue to have it

00:18:07but you know

00:18:07nothing's coming off it.

00:18:08I don't,

00:18:09firstly,

00:18:09I don't think

00:18:09there's anything wrong

00:18:10in anyone aspiring

00:18:12to become

00:18:13chief minister

00:18:14or prime minister

00:18:14of the country.

00:18:16If someone has

00:18:17an aspiration

00:18:18or had an aspiration,

00:18:19there's nothing wrong.

00:18:21Certainly,

00:18:21the elections

00:18:22and the Vidhan Sava elections

00:18:23were fought

00:18:24under Eknat Shindeji's

00:18:24leadership.

00:18:25He was the chief minister.

00:18:26It was a decisive victory

00:18:28for the alliance.

00:18:29Of course,

00:18:30BJP got many more seats

00:18:33and Devendra Fadnavis

00:18:34who was deputy chief minister

00:18:35who was a chief minister

00:18:37became chief minister.

00:18:38There's nothing wrong in that.

00:18:40When you say

00:18:41what will happen

00:18:41in the future,

00:18:43this is politics.

00:18:44If you covered politics,

00:18:46I'm assuming long enough

00:18:46to know that

00:18:47you never know

00:18:47what happens in politics.

00:18:48Having said that,

00:18:50is there a great

00:18:51bonhomie camaraderie

00:18:53between Devendra Fadnavis

00:18:54and Eknat Shindeji?

00:18:55Yes, there is.

00:18:55Do they have

00:18:56a very strong relation?

00:18:57Yes, they do.

00:18:58Are they working

00:18:59in unison together?

00:19:00Yes, they are.

00:19:00Are they delivering

00:19:02for the state?

00:19:02Yes, they are.

00:19:03If they weren't,

00:19:04and as certain people

00:19:05in, especially my friends

00:19:06in New Delhi

00:19:07like to predict

00:19:08and overanalyze,

00:19:09maybe they're not

00:19:10working together,

00:19:10maybe there's an issue,

00:19:11maybe BJP and Shiv Sena.

00:19:12The fair fact that

00:19:13what happened

00:19:14with the mayor

00:19:15of BMC is concerned?

00:19:17What happened?

00:19:18For the abject pandemonium

00:19:20on both sides,

00:19:21you don't know

00:19:21what was going on?

00:19:22That's not true at all.

00:19:24By the way,

00:19:25when the municipal

00:19:26elections finished,

00:19:28very smoothly,

00:19:29where Shiv Sena

00:19:30got more seats

00:19:31than BJP,

00:19:32let's say in Kalyan

00:19:33or Thane,

00:19:33it was a Shiv Sena mayor.

00:19:35BJP got more seats

00:19:36than Shiv Sena

00:19:37in Mumbai,

00:19:37it was a BJP mayor.

00:19:39There was no confusion.

00:19:40A lot of this confusion.

00:19:41But right until the end,

00:19:41it was very clear.

00:19:42I'll explain to you.

00:19:45I'll explain to you.

00:19:45Your leader

00:19:46was holding ground,

00:19:47digging his heels in

00:19:48that they wanted

00:19:50a mayor in their party.

00:19:51Let me correct this narrative.

00:19:54When there's an alliance,

00:19:56is it natural

00:19:57for parties

00:19:58that are in an alliance

00:20:01to try to

00:20:03push their boundaries?

00:20:05So you agree

00:20:05you were pushing

00:20:06your boundaries?

00:20:06No, listen to me.

00:20:07Listen to me.

00:20:07Both were pushing

00:20:08their boundaries.

00:20:08BJP may have been

00:20:09pushing their boundary,

00:20:10we may have been

00:20:10pushing ours.

00:20:11Ajit Pawar may have

00:20:12been pushing his.

00:20:13Is it natural

00:20:14for parties?

00:20:15Is there anything wrong

00:20:16in alliance partners

00:20:17buying for more seats,

00:20:18for more space?

00:20:19No, there's nothing wrong.

00:20:21When you have an alliance

00:20:22with somebody,

00:20:23that doesn't mean,

00:20:24okay, this is what it is,

00:20:25we should not compete.

00:20:26You naturally try to

00:20:28push for,

00:20:29try to gain space.

00:20:30That's a natural

00:20:31part of an alliance.

00:20:33Does that mean

00:20:34there's a problem?

00:20:35No, it doesn't.

00:20:36If there was a problem,

00:20:37we wouldn't have gone

00:20:38into a pre-pol alliance

00:20:38in so many of these places.

00:20:40But Mr. Deavra,

00:20:40if you can't...

00:20:41The problems are allegedly,

00:20:42the problems have allegedly

00:20:43been happening for years.

00:20:44No, but if you can't...

00:20:45Or at least for a year

00:20:45after the chief minister issue

00:20:46happened in Maharashtra.

00:20:47If you can't install it...

00:20:48How did we have alliances

00:20:49in every place?

00:20:49No, but the fact is,

00:20:50if you can't install

00:20:51your own mayor

00:20:51where Mumbai is concerned,

00:20:53then to hold aspirations

00:20:54of coming back

00:20:55as chief minister.

00:20:56Because then by the virtue

00:20:57of that fact,

00:20:57you'll never be.

00:20:58Again, this is a discussion

00:20:59which happens based

00:21:00on party strength

00:21:02between the chief minister,

00:21:03the deputy chief minister

00:21:04in a very amicable way.

00:21:06There was not one

00:21:07negative statement,

00:21:08not one issue

00:21:11which was created.

00:21:12This is,

00:21:12I can guarantee you,

00:21:13and I say this as an insider,

00:21:15this is 100%

00:21:17pure speculation.

00:21:17I'm repeating,

00:21:18is it natural

00:21:19for party

00:21:20to demand more space

00:21:21to push a little harder

00:21:23in negotiation

00:21:23for all sides,

00:21:24the bigger party,

00:21:25the smaller party,

00:21:26a bigger party in this city,

00:21:27a bigger, smaller party.

00:21:28So you pushed

00:21:28and it didn't happen?

00:21:29Everyone does it.

00:21:30Everyone does it.

00:21:31Okay.

00:21:31It's but natural to do it.

00:21:32Okay, so you push.

00:21:33No, it doesn't happen.

00:21:34It may have,

00:21:34it happened somewhere else.

00:21:35It happened in another seat.

00:21:36It happened in another municipality.

00:21:37It happened in another Zila Parishad.

00:21:39It's but natural.

00:21:39But it can happen in Mumbai,

00:21:41which is the richest corporation in India.

00:21:42In an alliance,

00:21:43there is a give and take.

00:21:45There is a give and take.

00:21:46So in an alliance,

00:21:48you have a give and take.

00:21:48That's how alliances work.

00:21:50But are the parties and leaders

00:21:53committed to strengthening

00:21:54this alliance?

00:21:55Do the parties and leaders feel

00:21:57despite what I get

00:21:59or my party gets,

00:22:00if something is beneficial

00:22:01for the alliance,

00:22:02we have to do it

00:22:03keeping the alliance in mind?

00:22:05Yes.

00:22:05That's the mantra.

00:22:06Okay, so you pushed.

00:22:07And I can't speak on behalf of NCB.

00:22:09I would say that's the basis

00:22:10and the mantra based on which

00:22:11all three parties,

00:22:13including Ajit Pawar's party

00:22:15and I'm sure Sunitra Pawar

00:22:17as a deputy chief minister

00:22:18will continue to work towards.

00:22:19All right.

00:22:20It's not like the MVA,

00:22:21by the way.

00:22:21Okay.

00:22:21Since you're asking other questions,

00:22:23it's not like the MVA

00:22:24where you suddenly have a situation

00:22:27where Congress and Shiv Sen,

00:22:30if you ask me,

00:22:30coming together,

00:22:31unheard of in my 49 years

00:22:33of existence.

00:22:35Then suddenly,

00:22:36Shiv Sen,

00:22:37UBT ditching Congress,

00:22:39now joining hands

00:22:39with Raj Thakere.

00:22:41After this,

00:22:42Raj Thakere split

00:22:43and started his own party

00:22:45to break away from Udhav Thakere.

00:22:46But then, okay,

00:22:46you know,

00:22:47but this is politics,

00:22:48like you said,

00:22:48anything can happen.

00:22:49I could come up

00:22:50with a number of alliances

00:22:51with your ally.

00:22:52Today you can safely...

00:22:53Who has made in the past

00:22:54and which was improbable.

00:22:56So today my message

00:22:56to my friends in New Delhi

00:22:58would be,

00:22:59please continue to speculate.

00:23:00It gives us some oxygen as well.

00:23:02We like the speculation.

00:23:03Please continue to do that.

00:23:04But I can guarantee,

00:23:05you can keep it in writing,

00:23:06that there will be

00:23:07a very smooth functioning

00:23:10of these three parties

00:23:12for the next three and a half years

00:23:13and I'm sure

00:23:13during that election as well.

00:23:15There's a dichotomy

00:23:16because you yourself said

00:23:17you just don't know

00:23:17what happens in politics tomorrow

00:23:19so there can't be no guarantees.

00:23:20But I can guarantee you

00:23:21this is what will happen.

00:23:21But how do you know?

00:23:22It's politics.

00:23:23How do you know?

00:23:23How do we know that

00:23:24Militaran might not make this

00:23:26back to the court?

00:23:26Because I know

00:23:28Mr. Devinder Farnavis's mind.

00:23:29I have a good relation with him.

00:23:31I know Mr. Eknach in his mind.

00:23:32And I know that

00:23:33this is something

00:23:34they want to do.

00:23:35Did you know that

00:23:35it was possible

00:23:36that Mr. Devinder Farnavis

00:23:37and Ajit Pawarji

00:23:38would take oath

00:23:39at 5.30 in the morning?

00:23:40It happened.

00:23:41I can guarantee you

00:23:42no one else is taking oath.

00:23:46But

00:23:47what do you want me to say to me?

00:23:48I don't know.

00:23:49I'm not telling you.

00:23:50Okay, no, no.

00:23:50Where the BJP and you guys are concerned

00:23:52is this also somewhere down the line?

00:23:53A cautionary tale.

00:23:54And why I say it's a cautionary tale is

00:23:56look at the BJP

00:23:58and how the party has

00:23:59in terms of structure,

00:24:01in terms of organization

00:24:02worked itself

00:24:03from the early 90s

00:24:04in Maharashtra

00:24:05from being a fringe

00:24:06marginal player

00:24:07to being the strongest

00:24:09political outfit

00:24:10in the state today.

00:24:11A lot of that

00:24:12and if you look

00:24:13how the parties

00:24:13played it out

00:24:14in other states as well

00:24:15is that the cost

00:24:15of regional outfits

00:24:16like yours.

00:24:17There is

00:24:18where I talk about

00:24:19the cautionary tale

00:24:20is the cannibalization

00:24:22of smaller regional outfits.

00:24:24You must be

00:24:25very often

00:24:26you know that.

00:24:26You know, I'll tell you

00:24:27one thing.

00:24:29When the Democratic Front

00:24:31government was in power

00:24:32as I said

00:24:32from 1999 to 2014

00:24:34for 15 years

00:24:36the narrative was

00:24:37that

00:24:39Sharad Pawar's NCP

00:24:41would be finished

00:24:42and would be cannibalized.

00:24:43I would hear

00:24:43these same exact words.

00:24:45The fact is

00:24:46although it's not

00:24:47one party

00:24:48there are two parties

00:24:48but the NCP

00:24:49and in all probability

00:24:50will be cannibalized

00:24:51if it doesn't put

00:24:52its house together.

00:24:53The NCP

00:24:54still exists.

00:24:56So

00:24:56if you're asking

00:24:58you're asking

00:24:58But it exists

00:24:59Milind facing

00:24:59an existential crisis

00:25:01But you're asking me

00:25:01to comment on things

00:25:02The Shiv Sena

00:25:03that you're a part of

00:25:04is facing

00:25:05you know

00:25:05the other outfit

00:25:06is facing

00:25:07an existential crisis

00:25:08That could be you very much

00:25:09But you're asking me

00:25:10to comment on

00:25:10what may happen

00:25:11I can say

00:25:11tomorrow

00:25:12your channel

00:25:12may be facing

00:25:13an existential crisis

00:25:13I don't know

00:25:14Right now

00:25:15what is the current

00:25:16situation today?

00:25:17The current situation

00:25:18today is

00:25:19we are the second

00:25:20largest party

00:25:20in Maharashtra

00:25:21That leadership position

00:25:23would not have arisen

00:25:25with the early

00:25:25erstwhile Shiv Sena

00:25:26That has happened

00:25:27because of

00:25:28Eknachinde's popularity

00:25:29because of his hard work

00:25:31because of his

00:25:31commitment to the people

00:25:32because of schemes

00:25:32that he initiated

00:25:34like the Ladki Behenski

00:25:36Now what will happen

00:25:37in the future?

00:25:38We'll see what happens

00:25:39in the future

00:25:39I'm just talking about

00:25:40I'm not even talking about

00:25:41It's not even

00:25:42If you're having

00:25:42a speculative question

00:25:43It's not speculative

00:25:44I'll tell you why

00:25:44it's not speculative

00:25:45because there's enough

00:25:46data to substantiate

00:25:47the fact that

00:25:48smaller regional outfits

00:25:50either fall through

00:25:51the crevices

00:25:51of a very powerful BJP

00:25:53where parties disintegrate

00:25:54There are so many states

00:25:55I can give you

00:25:56example from

00:25:56What would you like

00:25:57me to say to that?

00:25:58I don't understand

00:25:58the responses

00:25:59Like I said

00:26:00is it a cautionary tale

00:26:01is what I'm asking

00:26:02Well the thing is

00:26:04our view is very clearly

00:26:05that

00:26:07Mr. Iknat Shinde's

00:26:10led Shiv Sena

00:26:10is very clear

00:26:11that

00:26:12we have

00:26:13our full support

00:26:14to the BJP

00:26:15Okay

00:26:16We believe that

00:26:17we are

00:26:17the most committed

00:26:18NBA partner

00:26:19in New Delhi

00:26:21and in the state

00:26:22of Maharashtra

00:26:22Nothing will change that

00:26:26As I said

00:26:27we have an alliance

00:26:28which is based on

00:26:28an ideological alliance

00:26:31It's a commitment

00:26:32that Mr. Iknat Shinde

00:26:34has

00:26:34the party's founder

00:26:36Balasai Thakre

00:26:36had to the BJP

00:26:37that will continue

00:26:38What will happen

00:26:40in the future

00:26:40in the next

00:26:40three and a half years?

00:26:41Will the ratio

00:26:42go from

00:26:4455-45

00:26:4560-40

00:26:47to 40-60

00:26:48I don't know

00:26:49I can't comment on it

00:26:50Right now

00:26:51our task is very clear

00:26:52to be very candid

00:26:53with you

00:26:54In the last

00:26:55year and a half

00:26:56in Maharashtra

00:26:57there have been

00:26:57three major elections

00:26:59We've just concluded

00:27:00several local body elections

00:27:01We had a Vidhan Sabha election

00:27:02and we had a Lok Sabha election

00:27:04Right now

00:27:05our future

00:27:06our plan

00:27:07our strategy

00:27:08is to get out

00:27:10of election mode

00:27:11to strengthen

00:27:12our respective organizations

00:27:13and to focus on governance

00:27:14We have a long

00:27:15We have a lot of

00:27:17legroom

00:27:17I'm going to assure you

00:27:20we will do that

00:27:20As far as governance goes

00:27:22we'll do that together

00:27:23unitedly

00:27:24Okay

00:27:24We'll see how that goes

00:27:25But Mr. Deora

00:27:26I want to ask you

00:27:27what made you fight?

00:27:28Who asked you

00:27:29to fight

00:27:30the worldly seat

00:27:32during

00:27:32My party asked me

00:27:34the elections

00:27:34assembly elections

00:27:36against Aditya Prabhupada

00:27:36My party asked me

00:27:37and my party

00:27:38Mr. Shinde asked you

00:27:39Yes

00:27:40my party and I felt

00:27:41that this is a seat

00:27:43where there was

00:27:43very strong

00:27:45anti-incumbency

00:27:46Because I'll tell you

00:27:47because you talk

00:27:48about speculations

00:27:48I'll tell you

00:27:49why

00:27:49Because you talk

00:27:50of speculations

00:27:51So the speculation

00:27:52is that Milindera

00:27:53was coerced

00:27:54and forced

00:27:55into fighting

00:27:55that seat

00:27:56He didn't want

00:27:56to fight

00:27:57against Aditya Thakre

00:27:58Not just for

00:27:59political reasons

00:28:00but personal reasons

00:28:01Well firstly

00:28:01no one can

00:28:02no one can coerce me

00:28:03I'm not somebody

00:28:04who's

00:28:04I'm a very

00:28:05independent minded

00:28:05person

00:28:07When the Lok Sabha

00:28:08elections happened

00:28:09I ran

00:28:10the Lok Sabha

00:28:11campaign

00:28:12to a large extent

00:28:13for our candidate

00:28:14who fought Lok Sabha

00:28:15Nobody believed

00:28:17that in the Lok Sabha

00:28:19election

00:28:20our candidate

00:28:21despite

00:28:22mind you

00:28:23despite the entire

00:28:25might of the

00:28:26UBT party

00:28:26being concentrated

00:28:28in one assembly

00:28:28segment

00:28:29that we would

00:28:30get a very

00:28:32small margin

00:28:33there

00:28:33And when I say

00:28:35the entire might

00:28:35just for your

00:28:36information

00:28:37the Lok Sabha

00:28:38MP

00:28:38UBT in

00:28:40Worli

00:28:40has a

00:28:41Lok Sabha

00:28:41MP

00:28:43Aditya Thakre

00:28:44is a local

00:28:44MLA

00:28:45To get

00:28:46Aditya Thakre

00:28:47elected

00:28:47two former

00:28:48UBT MLAs

00:28:49were made

00:28:50MLCs

00:28:50So there are

00:28:51three MLAs

00:28:52from that area

00:28:54Three former

00:28:55mayors

00:28:56of Mumbai

00:28:57are from

00:28:58Worli

00:28:59So the entire

00:29:00concentration of

00:29:01that power

00:29:01is in Worli

00:29:03Despite that

00:29:03we did extremely

00:29:04well in the

00:29:05Lok Sabha

00:29:05We were convinced

00:29:07we could defeat

00:29:08him in the

00:29:08Vidhan Sabha

00:29:10And we came

00:29:11so close

00:29:12barring one

00:29:13issue

00:29:14that

00:29:15MNS

00:29:16helped

00:29:18UBT

00:29:18for whatever

00:29:19reason

00:29:19in that seat

00:29:21in few other

00:29:21seats in the

00:29:22neighboring area

00:29:22in Dadar

00:29:23and Maheem

00:29:24as well

00:29:25But the

00:29:25anti-incumbency

00:29:26is so high

00:29:27and people

00:29:28were making

00:29:28a direct

00:29:29comparison

00:29:29between their

00:29:30style of

00:29:31functioning

00:29:32and between

00:29:32the way we

00:29:33function

00:29:34And there are

00:29:34many examples

00:29:35There are many

00:29:36local examples

00:29:36A little less

00:29:37than 9000 votes

00:29:38Less than that

00:29:39A little less than

00:29:39that

00:29:408800 something

00:29:41if I'm not

00:29:42wrong

00:29:43I think even

00:29:44less than that

00:29:46It's over

00:29:468000 for sure

00:29:48Maybe give and

00:29:48take a hundred

00:29:49here and there

00:29:50But that was

00:29:51the margin of

00:29:52loss

00:29:52I mean to be

00:29:53honest

00:29:53not that it

00:29:54counts

00:29:55victory is a

00:29:55victory and

00:29:56loss is a

00:29:56loss

00:29:56But the fact

00:29:58that in

00:29:58certain rounds

00:29:59he was

00:30:01trailing

00:30:02as compared

00:30:03to ours

00:30:04demonstrates

00:30:04that despite

00:30:06having the

00:30:06entire state's

00:30:08concentration in

00:30:09that one

00:30:09assembly

00:30:10they still

00:30:11But that

00:30:12happens

00:30:12That doesn't

00:30:14happen to

00:30:15leaders of

00:30:15a party

00:30:16in states

00:30:17Leaders of

00:30:18a big party

00:30:19People who

00:30:22claim that

00:30:22they are

00:30:22as you said

00:30:23the beneficiaries

00:30:25of a certain

00:30:26legacy

00:30:27and have

00:30:28concentrated

00:30:29their entire

00:30:29power in

00:30:30that one

00:30:30assembly

00:30:31They don't

00:30:32come so

00:30:32close

00:30:33They win

00:30:33more

00:30:34handsomely

00:30:35I don't

00:30:36think that

00:30:36holds any

00:30:37more

00:30:37because I'll

00:30:38tell you

00:30:38why

00:30:38if you

00:30:38look at

00:30:39the classic

00:30:39example

00:30:40will be

00:30:40the looks

00:30:40of our

00:30:412024

00:30:41elections

00:30:42Look at

00:30:43the seat

00:30:43of Varanasi

00:30:44There were

00:30:45so many

00:30:45rounds

00:30:46where the

00:30:46prime minister

00:30:47was trailing

00:30:48It's a fact

00:30:49and it's a

00:30:50fact across

00:30:50the country

00:30:50So this

00:30:51happens

00:30:51You asked

00:30:53me

00:30:54who is

00:30:54the

00:30:56legacy

00:30:56So you're

00:30:57saying you're

00:30:57not no one

00:30:58Why would

00:30:59anyone

00:30:59I was already

00:31:00a member

00:31:00of parliament

00:31:01I was already

00:31:02a member

00:31:02of the Rajasabha

00:31:03In fact

00:31:03my natural

00:31:05instinct

00:31:06would have

00:31:06been to

00:31:07fight a

00:31:08Lokasabha

00:31:08election

00:31:09I was in

00:31:09the Rajasabha

00:31:10I'm helping

00:31:11the party

00:31:11with other

00:31:12things

00:31:13At that point

00:31:13it was a

00:31:14collective

00:31:14decision

00:31:14where we

00:31:15felt

00:31:15let's fight

00:31:16let's

00:31:17convert that

00:31:18anti-incumbency

00:31:18into a

00:31:19political win

00:31:20for the

00:31:20party

00:31:21I want to

00:31:22ask you

00:31:23why did

00:31:23you not

00:31:24choose the

00:31:24BJP

00:31:25and you

00:31:25chose

00:31:26Ek Nath

00:31:27Shinde

00:31:27Shiv

00:31:27Saina

00:31:27when you

00:31:28decided to

00:31:29join

00:31:29These are

00:31:30things

00:31:30which

00:31:31I'm

00:31:32sure you

00:31:32must have

00:31:32had

00:31:33enough

00:31:33These are

00:31:33not

00:31:34things

00:31:34you go

00:31:35into

00:31:35it's

00:31:36not

00:31:39politics

00:31:39is not

00:31:40a

00:31:41supermarket

00:31:41where you

00:31:42go in

00:31:42and you

00:31:43say

00:31:43should I

00:31:44consume

00:31:45a Coca-Cola

00:31:45today or

00:31:46should I

00:31:46consume a

00:31:46Pepsi

00:31:46today and

00:31:47which looks

00:31:47better

00:31:47it doesn't

00:31:48work like

00:31:48that

00:31:50and it's

00:31:50true of

00:31:51any profession

00:31:52did the BJP

00:31:53want you to

00:31:54join

00:31:54it's true of

00:31:55any profession

00:31:55you sometimes

00:31:57you choose

00:31:58a place

00:32:00you first

00:32:01I think the

00:32:02first thing

00:32:03that happened

00:32:03to me

00:32:03which happens

00:32:04to any

00:32:04professional

00:32:04I'm sure

00:32:05is you

00:32:06ask yourself

00:32:07a question

00:32:08do you

00:32:08feel

00:32:10valued

00:32:11in the

00:32:12place that

00:32:12you're

00:32:12currently

00:32:13in

00:32:14did I

00:32:15feel

00:32:15valued

00:32:15in the

00:32:16past

00:32:16in the

00:32:16Congress

00:32:17party

00:32:17absolutely

00:32:17am I

00:32:18grateful to

00:32:18the

00:32:18Congress

00:32:19for giving

00:32:19me what

00:32:19they've

00:32:20given me

00:32:21absolutely

00:32:22was I

00:32:23keen to

00:32:23leave

00:32:23the day

00:32:24I lost

00:32:25the elections

00:32:25in 2014

00:32:26no

00:32:26I waited

00:32:27for 10

00:32:27long years

00:32:28without

00:32:28power

00:32:29knowing that

00:32:30the Congress

00:32:30party is

00:32:31going to

00:32:31struggle for

00:32:31the next

00:32:3215

00:32:3320

00:32:3330

00:32:34years

00:32:34I knew

00:32:35what the

00:32:36deficiencies

00:32:36were in

00:32:36the Congress

00:32:37party

00:32:37very very

00:32:37clearly

00:32:39but when

00:32:40you feel

00:32:41disrespected

00:32:41devalued

00:32:43as I said

00:32:43when the

00:32:44Congress

00:32:44leaves you

00:32:45when there's

00:32:46a fundamental

00:32:46structural

00:32:47cultural

00:32:48change

00:32:48in an

00:32:49organization

00:32:49that you

00:32:50you've

00:32:51helped

00:32:52create that

00:32:52culture for

00:32:54you then

00:32:55naturally ask

00:32:55yourself

00:32:56am I

00:32:56really being

00:32:57valued in

00:32:57that profession

00:32:58and in

00:32:58that particular

00:32:59party

00:33:00and that

00:33:00organization

00:33:00I didn't

00:33:01feel that

00:33:01at that

00:33:03stage

00:33:04during the

00:33:05course of

00:33:05my feeling

00:33:07undervalued

00:33:07were there

00:33:08offers from

00:33:08different

00:33:09parties

00:33:09from across

00:33:10the political

00:33:10spectrum

00:33:11yes there

00:33:11were

00:33:12parties only

00:33:13in Maharashtra

00:33:14no there

00:33:14were people

00:33:14from there

00:33:15were national

00:33:15parties there

00:33:16were parties

00:33:16outside of

00:33:17Maharashtra

00:33:18that said we

00:33:19would like to

00:33:19have somebody

00:33:20like Milind

00:33:20we would like

00:33:21to have

00:33:21someone who

00:33:21has a

00:33:22presence in

00:33:23Mumbai

00:33:23someone who

00:33:23has you

00:33:25know a

00:33:26national

00:33:26presence

00:33:27absolutely

00:33:27they were

00:33:28why do you

00:33:29zero in on

00:33:29somebody

00:33:30that's a

00:33:30very personal

00:33:31question

00:33:32no it's a

00:33:32very professional

00:33:33question

00:33:33it's not

00:33:34it's a

00:33:36it derives

00:33:36out of

00:33:37as I said

00:33:38how you're

00:33:38feeling at a

00:33:39particular time

00:33:40from the

00:33:40current

00:33:40organization

00:33:41so you're

00:33:41saying

00:33:41Iknach

00:33:42and a

00:33:43personal

00:33:45connection

00:33:45you have

00:33:45with someone

00:33:46I got to

00:33:46know his

00:33:47son

00:33:47I got to

00:33:48know him

00:33:48I saw

00:33:49in him

00:33:49a first

00:33:50generational

00:33:52style of

00:33:53leadership

00:33:53I saw many

00:33:55similarities

00:33:55frankly between

00:33:56him and my

00:33:56father

00:33:58somebody who's

00:33:58come from

00:33:59nothing

00:34:00somebody who

00:34:00went on to

00:34:01build something

00:34:01to went on

00:34:02to he like

00:34:04my father he

00:34:04started his

00:34:05career as a

00:34:05corporator he

00:34:06went on to

00:34:06become an

00:34:07MLA my

00:34:07father was in

00:34:08the state

00:34:08assembly of

00:34:09course and

00:34:09my father went

00:34:09on to

00:34:10central national

00:34:11politics but

00:34:12very very

00:34:13similar personalities

00:34:15that's why you

00:34:15chose so it

00:34:16happens it's not

00:34:17something do you

00:34:18choose A do you

00:34:19choose B do you

00:34:19choose C I'm

00:34:20very happy where I

00:34:21am I think I've

00:34:22made the right

00:34:22choice more

00:34:23importantly I feel

00:34:24valued I feel

00:34:25that I'm

00:34:25contributing but

00:34:26you said

00:34:27you were never

00:34:28valued

00:34:29or there was

00:34:30a time where

00:34:31you thought the

00:34:32party left you

00:34:32and you were

00:34:33not valued in

00:34:33the congress

00:34:34now again I

00:34:35will go down

00:34:36to the

00:34:36speculation at

00:34:37that point of

00:34:37time was that

00:34:38what really

00:34:39upset Milindiora

00:34:40was the fact

00:34:41that he was

00:34:42not given the

00:34:42seat of South

00:34:43Mumbai because

00:34:44of an alliance

00:34:45at that point

00:34:45of time with

00:34:46the Uddhav

00:34:47and that seat

00:34:48went to

00:34:48Mr.

00:34:49Sawan

00:34:49that might

00:34:51have been

00:34:52the trigger

00:34:55I'm saying

00:34:56there were

00:34:56many things

00:34:57that happened

00:34:58there were

00:34:58many

00:34:59again these

00:35:00are things

00:35:01I'm done

00:35:01with it's

00:35:02a two

00:35:02year old

00:35:02story

00:35:04I've moved

00:35:05on

00:35:07you know

00:35:07I just

00:35:08all I'll say

00:35:09is this

00:35:09I just feel

00:35:10bad

00:35:11when I see

00:35:11the congress

00:35:12behaving the way

00:35:13it is to be

00:35:14very candid

00:35:14with you

00:35:14because I feel

00:35:15bad for

00:35:15the congress

00:35:16says there

00:35:16feel bad

00:35:17he was

00:35:1827 years

00:35:18old

00:35:19when we

00:35:19made him

00:35:20let me tell

00:35:21you my

00:35:22view

00:35:22we offered

00:35:22him

00:35:23you know

00:35:23and we

00:35:24got him

00:35:24to the

00:35:24parliament

00:35:25the congress

00:35:25says we

00:35:26gave you

00:35:27allow me to

00:35:28finish

00:35:28that we

00:35:29gave you a

00:35:29cabinet berth

00:35:30not once

00:35:30twice over

00:35:31at a young

00:35:32age when you

00:35:33were in your

00:35:33late 20s

00:35:34itself

00:35:34so you know

00:35:35and then of

00:35:36course move on

00:35:36to a cabinet

00:35:37berth

00:35:37the congress

00:35:38also says

00:35:39that you

00:35:40tried to

00:35:40humiliate

00:35:41Rahul Gandhi

00:35:41by quitting

00:35:42the day he

00:35:43was starting

00:35:43the Bharat

00:35:44Jodo

00:35:44Yatra

00:35:44and all

00:35:45of this

00:35:45was at

00:35:46the behest

00:35:46of the

00:35:47home minister

00:35:47Mr. Ramit

00:35:48Shah

00:35:48so had I

00:35:49quit another

00:35:49day that

00:35:50would have

00:35:50been okay

00:35:50but quitting

00:35:51on the day

00:35:52he's starting

00:35:52his Yatra

00:35:53was bad

00:35:53is that

00:35:54not a ridiculous

00:35:56logic

00:35:57someone says

00:35:57that

00:35:58but if you're

00:35:59saying

00:36:00congress says

00:36:00that that

00:36:01shows you

00:36:01how ridiculous

00:36:03it is

00:36:03right

00:36:03if they have

00:36:04someone who's

00:36:05leaving

00:36:05they should

00:36:06be saying

00:36:06I don't

00:36:06want that

00:36:07person to

00:36:07leave

00:36:07someone who's

00:36:08an asset

00:36:09for us

00:36:09forget the

00:36:10day

00:36:10oh you should

00:36:11leave but

00:36:11don't leave

00:36:12that logic

00:36:13so you're

00:36:14saying the

00:36:14congress never

00:36:14tried to

00:36:15hold you

00:36:15I'm just

00:36:15telling you

00:36:16that what

00:36:16kind of

00:36:16ridiculous

00:36:18that's such

00:36:19ridiculous

00:36:19logic if

00:36:20someone is

00:36:21saying that

00:36:22but in

00:36:23politics

00:36:24optics mean

00:36:24a lot

00:36:24Mr.

00:36:25Deera

00:36:25all I'll

00:36:26say is

00:36:26this

00:36:27the congress

00:36:28I don't

00:36:29want to

00:36:29repeat what

00:36:30I've said

00:36:30two years

00:36:30ago

00:36:32the congress

00:36:33gave me a

00:36:34lot

00:36:35they gave

00:36:36me a ticket

00:36:36to fight

00:36:36the Lok

00:36:37Sabah

00:36:37at the

00:36:37age of

00:36:3727

00:36:38not because

00:36:39they liked

00:36:39my face

00:36:40but because

00:36:41I was the

00:36:41only one

00:36:41who could

00:36:42win that

00:36:42seat for

00:36:42the congress

00:36:43party in

00:36:43South Mumbai

00:36:44as a

00:36:44reality

00:36:46number one

00:36:47number two

00:36:47I never

00:36:48brought any

00:36:48disrepute to

00:36:49the party

00:36:50I performed

00:36:50for the

00:36:51party in

00:36:51my constituency

00:36:52I performed

00:36:52for the

00:36:53party in

00:36:53Mumbai and

00:36:54Maharashtra

00:36:54I performed

00:36:54for the

00:36:55party nationally

00:36:55I performed

00:36:56for the

00:36:56party in

00:36:57parliament

00:36:57I performed

00:36:57for the

00:36:58party in

00:36:58the government

00:36:59of India

00:37:02the party

00:37:03the party

00:37:04as I said

00:37:04I feel

00:37:05bad

00:37:06because

00:37:07there are

00:37:08many people

00:37:08who would

00:37:10like the

00:37:11country

00:37:11number one

00:37:11to have

00:37:12a credible

00:37:13constructive

00:37:14strong

00:37:15opposition

00:37:15those people

00:37:17unfortunately

00:37:17are being

00:37:18let down

00:37:18number two

00:37:20I feel

00:37:20bad for

00:37:21many friends

00:37:23who are

00:37:24karekartas

00:37:25volunteers

00:37:26senior

00:37:27functionaries

00:37:28who want

00:37:29the party

00:37:29to perform

00:37:30they want

00:37:31to progress

00:37:31they want

00:37:32to be able

00:37:32to contribute

00:37:33to their

00:37:33city

00:37:33their state

00:37:34their village

00:37:35their country

00:37:35they are unable

00:37:36to do that

00:37:37because the

00:37:37party is failing

00:37:38to have a

00:37:39constructive

00:37:39agenda

00:37:39so that's

00:37:41why I feel

00:37:42bad

00:37:42I tried

00:37:43for ten

00:37:44years

00:37:44my best

00:37:46to I

00:37:47arranged

00:37:48the first

00:37:48foreign visit

00:37:49for Rahul Gandhi

00:37:50in 2017

00:37:51I took him

00:37:52to many

00:37:53universities

00:37:54around the

00:37:54world

00:37:54in the

00:37:55United States

00:37:56arranged a

00:37:57very successful

00:37:57visit

00:37:58which many

00:37:58people said

00:37:59was a turning

00:37:59point in his

00:38:00political career

00:38:01as I said

00:38:02I did things

00:38:02constructively

00:38:03for me

00:38:04politics is

00:38:04about

00:38:04contributing

00:38:05to the

00:38:05city

00:38:06and to

00:38:06the

00:38:06country

00:38:08more than

00:38:09me feeling

00:38:10undervalued

00:38:11that is

00:38:11something which

00:38:12happened

00:38:12it's not just

00:38:13true for me

00:38:13I'm not an

00:38:14aberration

00:38:14it's happened

00:38:15for many

00:38:15people like

00:38:16me

00:38:17who felt

00:38:18undervalued

00:38:19who felt

00:38:19underutilized

00:38:20who felt

00:38:20maybe

00:38:20party

00:38:21gave us

00:38:21a lot

00:38:21in the

00:38:22past

00:38:22but now

00:38:23for how

00:38:23long can

00:38:23I be thrown

00:38:24out in the

00:38:24garbage bin

00:38:25I have to

00:38:25be able to

00:38:26I still

00:38:27want to

00:38:27I mean

00:38:28whatever

00:38:28people felt

00:38:29that way

00:38:30so

00:38:31eventually

00:38:32you want

00:38:32to be able

00:38:33to contribute

00:38:33you want

00:38:34to be able

00:38:34to give

00:38:34back

00:38:35I'm not

00:38:35in politics

00:38:35because I

00:38:36want to

00:38:36make something

00:38:37out of it

00:38:37personally

00:38:37my speeches

00:38:38in parliament

00:38:39when I

00:38:39intervene

00:38:40are giving

00:38:40positive

00:38:41constructive

00:38:41agendas

00:38:42to this

00:38:43government

00:38:43on what

00:38:44we can

00:38:44do to

00:38:44take India

00:38:45forward

00:38:45I personally

00:38:46believe

00:38:46rising above

00:38:47politics

00:38:47party A

00:38:48party B

00:38:49that the

00:38:50world is

00:38:50going

00:38:50through a

00:38:52completely

00:38:52bizarre

00:38:54period that

00:38:54has not

00:38:55been seen

00:38:55in 80

00:38:56years since

00:38:56world war

00:38:56to end it

00:38:57I fundamentally

00:38:58believe that

00:38:59I don't

00:39:00think we are

00:39:01seeing trade

00:39:02disputes

00:39:03we are

00:39:04seeing the

00:39:04kinds of

00:39:05political

00:39:05disruptions

00:39:05you see

00:39:06between

00:39:06India

00:39:06and the

00:39:07United

00:39:07States

00:39:07between

00:39:07the

00:39:08United

00:39:08States

00:39:08and

00:39:08other

00:39:08countries

00:39:09that you

00:39:10see

00:39:10today

00:39:10you're

00:39:11seeing

00:39:11everything

00:39:14turned on

00:39:15its head

00:39:16today

00:39:17in that

00:39:18time

00:39:18it's a

00:39:19very unique

00:39:19time for

00:39:20a country

00:39:20like ours

00:39:20which is

00:39:21the fastest

00:39:21growing

00:39:21major

00:39:22economy

00:39:23we have

00:39:23two

00:39:24options

00:39:24we can

00:39:25screw it

00:39:25up for

00:39:26ourselves

00:39:26or we

00:39:26can convert

00:39:27what some

00:39:28will say

00:39:28is a

00:39:28challenge

00:39:29into a

00:39:29massive

00:39:30opportunity

00:39:30for

00:39:30India

00:39:31we have

00:39:31a

00:39:32demographic

00:39:32dividend

00:39:32before

00:39:32us

00:39:33at

00:39:33that

00:39:34point

00:39:34to be

00:39:34able to

00:39:35contribute

00:39:35to be

00:39:36able to

00:39:36contribute

00:39:37for my

00:39:37home

00:39:37city

00:39:37to

00:39:38build

00:39:38bring

00:39:38infrastructure

00:39:39projects

00:39:39under

00:39:40Devendra

00:39:40Farnavis

00:39:40and Ibn Chhande's

00:39:41leadership

00:39:42to be given

00:39:43the free

00:39:44hand to

00:39:44participate

00:39:44in a

00:39:45delegation

00:39:46like

00:39:46Operation

00:39:47Sindhu

00:39:47where I

00:39:47can

00:39:47represent

00:39:48my

00:39:48country

00:39:48and I

00:39:49had the

00:39:49opportunity

00:39:49to

00:39:50travel

00:39:50to

00:39:50America

00:39:51I see

00:39:51what's

00:39:52happening

00:39:52to my

00:39:52friends

00:39:52in the

00:39:53Congress

00:39:53who were

00:39:54invited

00:39:54to travel

00:39:55by the

00:39:55government

00:39:55in

00:39:55Operation

00:39:56Sindhu

00:39:56I know

00:39:57what would

00:39:57have happened

00:39:58to me

00:39:58if I

00:39:58was in

00:39:58the

00:39:58Congress

00:39:59party

00:40:00what's

00:40:01happened

00:40:01to other

00:40:01people

00:40:01what's

00:40:02happened

00:40:02to some

00:40:02of my

00:40:02colleagues

00:40:03what has

00:40:03happened

00:40:04I'm asking

00:40:05you

00:40:05the media

00:40:06speculates

00:40:06and knows

00:40:07what's

00:40:07happening

00:40:07but you

00:40:07said

00:40:08don't

00:40:08believe

00:40:08in

00:40:08speculation

00:40:09well

00:40:09this

00:40:10part is

00:40:10true

00:40:12you can't

00:40:13pick

00:40:13what part

00:40:14is

00:40:14some

00:40:14speculation

00:40:16this is

00:40:16not

00:40:16speculation

00:40:17I would

00:40:17call it

00:40:17this is

00:40:18correct

00:40:18information

00:40:19that

00:40:19what is

00:40:20happening

00:40:20to some

00:40:20of my

00:40:21colleagues

00:40:21from the

00:40:22Congress

00:40:22party

00:40:23who were

00:40:24invited

00:40:24to travel

00:40:25to other

00:40:26countries

00:40:28as part

00:40:29of Operation

00:40:29Sindhu

00:40:29the

00:40:30humiliation

00:40:32the

00:40:32repeated

00:40:33trolling

00:40:33online

00:40:35becoming

00:40:35non-existent

00:40:36in the

00:40:37party

00:40:37in their

00:40:38states

00:40:39these are

00:40:40not things

00:40:40that I

00:40:41signed up

00:40:41for when I

00:40:41entered

00:40:42politics

00:40:4221 years

00:40:43ago

00:40:43so the

00:40:44fact that

00:40:45I'm

00:40:45allowed to

00:40:45do the

00:40:46things that

00:40:46I wanted

00:40:47to do

00:40:47and that

00:40:47I was

00:40:47able to

00:40:48do in

00:40:48an earlier

00:40:49Congress

00:40:49which had

00:40:50a different

00:40:50culture

00:40:52to me

00:40:52makes me

00:40:53happy

00:40:53who's

00:40:54responsible

00:40:54for the

00:40:55current

00:40:55culture

00:40:55of the

00:40:55Congress

00:40:56then

00:40:57it's not

00:40:58my business

00:40:58anymore

00:40:59it's not

00:40:59my problem

00:41:00anymore

00:41:00you've also

00:41:01had a very

00:41:01personal

00:41:02all I can

00:41:02say today

00:41:03I'm in

00:41:03the NDA

00:41:04when I

00:41:05see the

00:41:05Congress

00:41:05performing

00:41:06the way

00:41:06it is

00:41:07in

00:41:07Parliament

00:41:07outside

00:41:08Parliament

00:41:09on social

00:41:09media

00:41:10I can

00:41:11see that

00:41:12the NDA

00:41:13is blessed

00:41:13to have

00:41:15the Congress

00:41:16in this

00:41:17form

00:41:17because it's

00:41:18a blessing

00:41:19it's a boon

00:41:19you've always

00:41:20had a personal

00:41:21relationship

00:41:21with the

00:41:22Gandhis

00:41:22do you

00:41:22still have

00:41:23that

00:41:23again

00:41:24at a

00:41:26personal

00:41:26level

00:41:27there's

00:41:27nothing

00:41:27against

00:41:28any

00:41:28individual

00:41:28but I

00:41:30feel bad

00:41:30that

00:41:32if

00:41:32certain

00:41:34individuals

00:41:36fail to

00:41:37reform

00:41:37themselves

00:41:38fail to

00:41:39improve

00:41:39themselves

00:41:41fail to

00:41:42sometimes

00:41:42behave

00:41:43statesman

00:41:44like

00:41:44and if

00:41:45that's

00:41:46costing the

00:41:46party

00:41:47dearly

00:41:47if that's

00:41:48costing the

00:41:48country of

00:41:49a

00:41:49constructive

00:41:50opposition

00:41:50then you

00:41:52have

00:41:52rebellions

00:41:52you'll have

00:41:53people who

00:41:53will move

00:41:54out

00:41:55people who

00:41:55will look

00:41:56for places

00:41:57where they

00:41:57can contribute

00:41:57Is this a

00:41:58criticism of

00:41:58Rahul Gandhi?

00:41:59Well it's a

00:42:00criticism of

00:42:01people who

00:42:02are refusing

00:42:02to improve

00:42:03and Rahul

00:42:04Gandhi may not

00:42:05be the party

00:42:05president but

00:42:06he's a leader

00:42:07of opposition

00:42:07in the Lok

00:42:07Sava

00:42:08certainly this

00:42:09is something

00:42:10which his

00:42:10party has

00:42:11to sort of

00:42:12give him

00:42:12that feedback

00:42:13I know

00:42:14there are

00:42:14many congressmen

00:42:15in parliament

00:42:15forget about

00:42:16outside of

00:42:17parliament

00:42:17who feel

00:42:18very unhappy

00:42:18at the

00:42:19performance

00:42:19of the

00:42:19party

00:42:19so this

00:42:20is something

00:42:20which the

00:42:21congress has

00:42:21to take

00:42:21feedback on

00:42:22it's not

00:42:22something

00:42:23which I

00:42:24care about

00:42:24anymore

00:42:25to be very

00:42:25candid with

00:42:26you

00:42:26you're the

00:42:27first person

00:42:27who's talking

00:42:28to me about

00:42:28the congress

00:42:28in two years

00:42:29it's not

00:42:30something

00:42:33that affects

00:42:34me

00:42:34it's something

00:42:35which I

00:42:36now see as

00:42:37an opportunity

00:42:37for the

00:42:38NDA

00:42:38what do you

00:42:39make of that

00:42:39incident that

00:42:40happened between

00:42:40Mr. Ramit

00:42:41Bittu and

00:42:42Rahul Gandhi

00:42:43firstly to be

00:42:44sitting on

00:42:44the stairs

00:42:45of the

00:42:45entrance to

00:42:46parliament

00:42:47and having

00:42:48ridiculous

00:42:49banners

00:42:49saying that

00:42:50the prime

00:42:50minister has

00:42:51been compromised

00:42:53you know

00:42:53because I

00:42:54find it

00:42:54ridiculous

00:42:55because

00:42:56recently

00:42:57the same

00:42:58party was

00:42:59saying and

00:43:00the opposition

00:43:00was saying

00:43:01that the

00:43:02criticism against

00:43:03the tariffs

00:43:04were that

00:43:04our tariffs

00:43:05were the

00:43:05highest

00:43:06compared to

00:43:07other countries

00:43:08Raghuram Rajan

00:43:09in fact who

00:43:10advises the

00:43:11party now

00:43:12his criticism

00:43:13was that

00:43:13our tariffs

00:43:14are the

00:43:14highest

00:43:14today our

00:43:15tariffs are

00:43:16the lowest

00:43:18now I

00:43:19want the

00:43:20best deal

00:43:21for India

00:43:21I'm an

00:43:22Indian I

00:43:22want Indian

00:43:23industry to

00:43:23prosper I

00:43:24want Indian

00:43:25farmers to

00:43:25prosper but

00:43:26the fact is

00:43:27that we have

00:43:28a trade

00:43:28deficit with

00:43:28the United

00:43:29States the

00:43:30fact is that

00:43:30their politics

00:43:31has changed

00:43:31as I said

00:43:32on its head

00:43:32the fact is

00:43:33that American

00:43:34voters are

00:43:35demanding that

00:43:35the government

00:43:36of the United

00:43:37States imposes

00:43:38tariffs on

00:43:39countries where

00:43:40they have an

00:43:40unequal balance

00:43:41of payment

00:43:42now given

00:43:42that situation

00:43:44I don't

00:43:44think the

00:43:45government can

00:43:45say we

00:43:46should get

00:43:46zero tariffs

00:43:47but the

00:43:48fact that we

00:43:48are the

00:43:48lowest tariffs

00:43:49compared to

00:43:49other countries

00:43:50that's exactly

00:43:50what the

00:43:50Congress was

00:43:51opposing now

00:43:51you're saying

00:43:52it's

00:43:52surrendered

00:43:53subconsciously

00:43:54do you think

00:43:54it applies to

00:43:55you

00:43:55I know some

00:43:55MPs who chose

00:43:56not to be

00:43:57part of that

00:43:57protest by the

00:43:58way

00:43:58does it

00:43:58apply to

00:43:59you

00:43:59because

00:44:00similar

00:44:00circumstances

00:44:02all I know

00:44:03is if someone

00:44:04said that to

00:44:04me I would

00:44:05have said

00:44:05something very

00:44:05unsavory

00:44:06so did

00:44:07Mr.

00:44:07Bittu

00:44:08and I

00:44:09would have

00:44:09said something

00:44:10very very

00:44:10unsavory

00:44:11whatever

00:44:11if that

00:44:12happens

00:44:14I'll

00:44:15respond

00:44:15but as I

00:44:16said these

00:44:17are things

00:44:17which you

00:44:18know

00:44:20these just

00:44:21again you're

00:44:21going back to

00:44:22the Congress

00:44:22and what's

00:44:23wrong with

00:44:23the Congress

00:44:23to me all

00:44:25I'll say is

00:44:27I just feel

00:44:28these are good

00:44:29things for the

00:44:29ND

00:44:30this gives the

00:44:31ND a lot of

00:44:32room to

00:44:32maneuver to do

00:44:33the right

00:44:34reforms that

00:44:34the country

00:44:35needs

00:44:36and as I

00:44:36said I

00:44:37just feel

00:44:37sad for

00:44:38many Congress

00:44:39supporters

00:44:40members

00:44:41who speak

00:44:42to me

00:44:42and feel

00:44:43terrible about

00:44:43the state

00:44:43of affairs

00:44:44I just

00:44:44feel bad

00:44:45for them

00:44:45you've

00:44:46been

00:44:46through the

00:44:47Lok Sabha

00:44:47route as

00:44:48well

00:44:48you've

00:44:48been

00:44:48through the

00:44:49Rajya

00:44:49Sabha

00:44:49route as

00:44:49well

00:44:50are you

00:44:50looking

00:44:50forward to

00:44:50maybe fight

00:44:51a Lok Sabha

00:44:51election

00:44:52100%

00:44:53100%

00:44:54and it's

00:44:55a Lok Sabha

00:44:55election

00:44:55you're

00:44:56going to

00:44:56be

00:44:56looking

00:44:56look

00:44:56firstly

00:44:57my

00:44:57relationship

00:44:57with my

00:44:58constituency

00:44:59is very

00:45:00different

00:45:00from many

00:45:00people's

00:45:01relations

00:45:02with their

00:45:02constituents

00:45:03because

00:45:05I don't

00:45:05have

00:45:06I'm not

00:45:06somebody

00:45:07who lives

00:45:07let's say

00:45:08in Delhi

00:45:08and then

00:45:09takes a train

00:45:10to my

00:45:10constituency

00:45:10once a

00:45:11month

00:45:11I live

00:45:12there

00:45:12I work

00:45:13there

00:45:15my father

00:45:16has been

00:45:17a

00:45:18corporator

00:45:18from

00:45:191968

00:45:20we have

00:45:21as a

00:45:21family

00:45:22fought

00:45:22I think

00:45:2311 or

00:45:2412

00:45:24Lok Sabha

00:45:26fights

00:45:27starting

00:45:28from

00:45:281980

00:45:30so this

00:45:31relationship

00:45:31today in

00:45:32my office

00:45:33if you

00:45:33come to

00:45:33my office

00:45:35whether

00:45:35or not

00:45:36I'm in

00:45:36power

00:45:37whether

00:45:37or not

00:45:37I'm an

00:45:38MP

00:45:38whether

00:45:39or not

00:45:39my

00:45:39party

00:45:39is in

00:45:40power

00:45:40in the

00:45:41state

00:45:41or the

00:45:41centre

00:45:41or the

00:45:42municipality

00:45:43there are

00:45:44hundreds of

00:45:45people

00:45:45in my

00:45:46office

00:45:46who come

00:45:48for

00:45:49something

00:45:50like an

00:45:50admission

00:45:50letter

00:45:51to a

00:45:52local

00:45:53governance

00:45:53issue

00:45:54to some

00:45:55personal

00:45:55problem

00:45:56to some

00:45:56medical

00:45:57assistance

00:45:58and that

00:45:58is the

00:45:59relationship

00:45:59I have

00:46:00with the

00:46:00people of

00:46:00South

00:46:00Mumbai

00:46:01so to

00:46:02me that

00:46:02is

00:46:03so 2029

00:46:04you've

00:46:04already made

00:46:05your bid

00:46:05for the

00:46:05South

00:46:06Mumbai

00:46:06constituency

00:46:06it's

00:46:07something

00:46:07again

00:46:08this is

00:46:09something

00:46:09which

00:46:10I

00:46:11personally

00:46:11today

00:46:12although I'm

00:46:12a member

00:46:13of the

00:46:13Rajasabha

00:46:13where you're

00:46:14elected from

00:46:15the state

00:46:15you're in

00:46:16the council

00:46:16of states

00:46:17technically

00:46:17your constituency

00:46:18is the

00:46:19entire

00:46:19state

00:46:20my focus

00:46:21primarily

00:46:21is South

00:46:22Mumbai

00:46:23because that's

00:46:24just the nature

00:46:25of my

00:46:25politics

00:46:26so certainly

00:46:27do I see

00:46:28myself cut

00:46:28from the

00:46:30mould of

00:46:31being a

00:46:31Lokasabha

00:46:32politician

00:46:32of course

00:46:35I'm a

00:46:36Lokasabha

00:46:36person

00:46:36so like I

00:46:38said you

00:46:38already made

00:46:38your bid

00:46:39for the

00:46:39South

00:46:40Mumbai

00:46:40seat

00:46:41in

00:46:412029

00:46:42okay well

00:46:43that's good

00:46:43it's good

00:46:43to be

00:46:44not ambitious

00:46:44you held

00:46:45it

00:46:45at one

00:46:46point

00:46:46probably

00:46:46Mr.

00:46:47Arvind

00:46:47Savan

00:46:47need to be

00:46:48a little

00:46:48worried

00:46:49but that's

00:46:50okay

00:46:50is it as

00:46:51bad as

00:46:51it looks

00:46:52in parliament

00:46:52today

00:46:53you've been

00:46:53in parliament

00:46:54for so many

00:46:54years

00:46:54you've seen

00:46:55so many

00:46:55sessions

00:46:56you know

00:46:56what we

00:46:57see

00:46:57what do you

00:46:58mean

00:46:58what we

00:46:59see right

00:47:00now is

00:47:00forget about

00:47:01a breakdown

00:47:02there is

00:47:03no trust

00:47:03the trust

00:47:04deficit

00:47:04between the

00:47:05treasury

00:47:05benches

00:47:06and the

00:47:07opposition

00:47:07MPs

00:47:08is rock

00:47:09bottom

00:47:09what you're

00:47:10looking at

00:47:11today is

00:47:11abysmal

00:47:12all you

00:47:13see is

00:47:13noise

00:47:14and fight

00:47:15and it's

00:47:16session

00:47:16after session

00:47:17and things

00:47:18just keep

00:47:18getting

00:47:18worse

00:47:19well

00:47:20firstly

00:47:20my view

00:47:21would be

00:47:22that it's

00:47:23certainly

00:47:24gotten worse

00:47:24than what

00:47:26it was

00:47:27five years

00:47:28ago

00:47:28ten years

00:47:28ago

00:47:29most certainly

00:47:31one years

00:47:32ago when I

00:47:32entered

00:47:33parliament

00:47:33for the first

00:47:34time

00:47:36secondly

00:47:36there is

00:47:37also a

00:47:37massive

00:47:38difference

00:47:38in the

00:47:39functioning

00:47:40of the

00:47:40Rajasabha

00:47:40and the

00:47:41Lokasabha

00:47:42it's very

00:47:43sad that

00:47:44the Lokasabha

00:47:45has been

00:47:45reduced to

00:47:46now a

00:47:48place where

00:47:49rather than

00:47:50making

00:47:51constructive

00:47:52so criticism

00:47:53is the job

00:47:54and the

00:47:55prerogative of

00:47:55the opposition

00:47:56holding the

00:47:57government to

00:47:58account is the

00:47:58job of the

00:47:59opposition

00:48:01using disruption

00:48:02to oppose it

00:48:03and to make it

00:48:04accountable is

00:48:05very unfortunate

00:48:08making it

00:48:09now what is

00:48:09a new trend

00:48:10which I

00:48:11remember

00:48:12during the

00:48:12if you

00:48:13remember

00:48:14during the

00:48:14Andhra

00:48:14Telangana

00:48:15issue

00:48:15when Andhra

00:48:16was split

00:48:17into

00:48:17Telangana

00:48:18and Andhra

00:48:18Pradesh

00:48:18it's

00:48:19resembling

00:48:20that

00:48:21where you

00:48:22are seeing

00:48:22certain

00:48:23opposition

00:48:23MPs

00:48:24certain

00:48:24opposition

00:48:24parties

00:48:26more than

00:48:27disruptions

00:48:28use it as

00:48:28a place

00:48:29to protest

00:48:31and that's

00:48:32not what

00:48:32parliament's

00:48:32for

00:48:33parliament

00:48:33is not

00:48:34you know

00:48:35an

00:48:36Azad

00:48:36Maidan

00:48:38parliament

00:48:39is a

00:48:39place where

00:48:40you have

00:48:40to criticize

00:48:41you have

00:48:42to attack

00:48:42and it's

00:48:43a place

00:48:43where you

00:48:44can hold

00:48:44the government

00:48:44accountable

00:48:45you can

00:48:46extract

00:48:48accountability

00:48:49from the

00:48:49government

00:48:49by using

00:48:50wit

00:48:51by speaking

00:48:52effectively

00:48:53I think

00:48:54what's

00:48:54happened is

00:48:55certain

00:48:56parties in

00:48:57the opposition

00:48:57I certainly

00:48:58see this

00:48:58in the

00:48:58Rajasaba

00:48:59and the

00:48:59Lokasaba

00:48:59have the

00:49:00ability to

00:49:01use

00:49:02wit

00:49:03have the

00:49:04ability to

00:49:04speak

00:49:05effectively

00:49:06and get

00:49:07up their

00:49:08point across

00:49:09those that

00:49:10don't

00:49:10it's but

00:49:11natural for

00:49:12them to

00:49:13scream

00:49:14shout

00:49:14disrupt

00:49:15protest

00:49:16hold banners

00:49:17outside

00:49:17so that's

00:49:19unfortunate

00:49:19it's also

00:49:21part of

00:49:21just

00:49:22pretty

00:49:22very honestly

00:49:23the way

00:49:23politics is

00:49:24structured

00:49:24around the

00:49:25world today

00:49:25that's true

00:49:26if you

00:49:26asked me

00:49:27as someone

00:49:27who has

00:49:28observed

00:49:28American

00:49:29politics

00:49:29all his

00:49:29life

00:49:30if you

00:49:31asked me

00:49:32would I

00:49:35have

00:49:35predicted

00:49:36that

00:49:37America's

00:49:38politics

00:49:38would be

00:49:40the way

00:49:40it is

00:49:40today

00:49:42just

00:49:42bizarre

00:49:44I mean

00:49:44frankly

00:49:45I would

00:49:46have never

00:49:46seen that

00:49:46coming

00:49:47so

00:49:48it's

00:49:49largely

00:49:50linked to

00:49:50just how

00:49:52voters

00:49:53consume

00:49:54information

00:49:54it's

00:49:55largely

00:49:56linked to

00:49:56how

00:49:56politicians

00:49:57use

00:49:57information

00:49:59and

00:50:00it's

00:50:00a very

00:50:01very

00:50:01serious

00:50:01trend

00:50:02because

00:50:03in the

00:50:04US

00:50:04for instance

00:50:04you have

00:50:06really only

00:50:06two parties

00:50:07so you

00:50:07have

00:50:08what's

00:50:08often

00:50:09a breakdown

00:50:09of government

00:50:10you actually

00:50:11have a

00:50:11government

00:50:11shutting down

00:50:12in the

00:50:13United States

00:50:13more than

00:50:14almost every

00:50:15year

00:50:16and the

00:50:16first thing

00:50:17that gets

00:50:17shut down

00:50:17is their

00:50:18national parks

00:50:18and then

00:50:19it can

00:50:20lead to

00:50:20one step

00:50:21to another

00:50:21it can

00:50:22actually

00:50:22shut down

00:50:22the government

00:50:23as a whole

00:50:24we don't

00:50:25have that

00:50:25one of the

00:50:26reasons

00:50:26we're able

00:50:27to withstand

00:50:27those shocks

00:50:28is because

00:50:28we have

00:50:29many

00:50:29parties

00:50:29so every

00:50:31voter

00:50:31with their

00:50:32regional

00:50:32aspirations

00:50:32with their

00:50:33linguistic

00:50:33aspirations

00:50:35has in

00:50:36many ways

00:50:36a party

00:50:37that is part

00:50:38of an

00:50:38alliance

00:50:39that will

00:50:39represent it

00:50:40but I do

00:50:41see this

00:50:42unhealthy

00:50:42trend of

00:50:43parliament

00:50:43where

00:50:45the best

00:50:46way to

00:50:47be heard

00:50:47and to

00:50:48make a

00:50:49difference

00:50:49is to

00:50:50you know

00:50:50fling

00:50:51papers at

00:50:51the chair

00:50:52or to

00:50:53try to

00:50:53be violent

00:50:54or to

00:50:55do something

00:50:55physical

00:50:57that is

00:50:58very

00:50:58unfortunate

00:50:58and ought

00:50:59to be

00:50:59very candid

00:51:00with you

00:51:00and I'm

00:51:01not putting

00:51:01the onus

00:51:02taking the

00:51:02onus away

00:51:03from the

00:51:03political

00:51:03class

00:51:04but I

00:51:05really believe

00:51:06that the

00:51:06only way

00:51:08to correct

00:51:08that

00:51:09is if

00:51:11the voter

00:51:11and I say

00:51:12this rising

00:51:13above political

00:51:13lines is if

00:51:14the voter

00:51:15punishes

00:51:16politicians

00:51:18regardless of

00:51:18which party

00:51:19they come

00:51:19from

00:51:19that refuse

00:51:21to debate

00:51:21discuss and

00:51:22use parliament

00:51:23for constructive

00:51:24proceedings

00:51:24but use it

00:51:25for negative

00:51:26destructive

00:51:26proceedings

00:51:27if the

00:51:27voters see

00:51:28that as

00:51:29a tool

00:51:29and a

00:51:30reason to

00:51:30punish them

00:51:31that's the

00:51:32only way

00:51:32you'll have

00:51:32accountability

00:51:33who do you

00:51:33think are

00:51:34some of the

00:51:34best

00:51:35orators in

00:51:36parliament

00:51:37cutting across

00:51:38party lines

00:51:38name a few

00:51:39from the

00:51:39you know

00:51:39I'll tell you

00:51:40for example

00:51:40in the

00:51:41Rajasabha

00:51:41I can say

00:51:42this without

00:51:43naming any

00:51:43individual

00:51:44I can

00:51:44name no

00:51:46I'll say

00:51:47this which

00:51:47again comes

00:51:48back to my

00:51:48earlier point

00:51:50the opposition

00:51:51today in the

00:51:52Rajasabha

00:51:54is not

00:51:54the congress

00:51:55party

00:51:56it's from

00:51:57smaller

00:51:58parties

00:51:59and I

00:52:00don't want

00:52:00to give

00:52:00those parties

00:52:01credit

00:52:01because it's

00:52:01shameful that

00:52:02the congress

00:52:03should have

00:52:04become the

00:52:04opposition

00:52:05in the

00:52:05Rajasabha

00:52:05the largest

00:52:06number of

00:52:06seats after

00:52:06the BJP

00:52:07but that's

00:52:08not the

00:52:08opposition

00:52:09so I

00:52:09see when

00:52:09people from

00:52:10the treasury

00:52:10benches

00:52:11are speaking

00:52:14the real

00:52:15opposition

00:52:15and not

00:52:16shouting and

00:52:18sneering and

00:52:18heckling

00:52:19but the real

00:52:20opposition on

00:52:21issues

00:52:22the real

00:52:23preparation

00:52:23when it

00:52:23comes to

00:52:24a discussion

00:52:24if you're

00:52:25debating the

00:52:26budget

00:52:26the president's

00:52:26motion

00:52:27comes from

00:52:28smaller

00:52:29opposition

00:52:29parties

00:52:30not from

00:52:30the congress

00:52:31that's the

00:52:31state of

00:52:32affairs

00:52:32so I

00:52:33come back

00:52:33to my

00:52:34point that

00:52:34the grand

00:52:35old party

00:52:36of India

00:52:37and you've

00:52:37come back

00:52:38to the

00:52:38congress

00:52:38I didn't

00:52:39ask you

00:52:40that

00:52:40I said

00:52:41now you've

00:52:41come back

00:52:41to the

00:52:42congress

00:52:42because you're

00:52:43asking me

00:52:43about parliament

00:52:44you're asking me

00:52:44the best

00:52:45orators

00:52:46but I'm

00:52:47saying the

00:52:48party that's

00:52:48doing a

00:52:49disservice

00:52:49unfortunately

00:52:50is my

00:52:51former

00:52:51party

00:52:52the best

00:52:52speakers

00:52:53you know

00:52:53there are

00:52:54many good

00:52:54speakers

00:52:54there are

00:52:55so many

00:52:55good speakers

00:52:56that I

00:52:56see

00:52:56who do you

00:52:57enjoy

00:52:58I mean

00:52:58look

00:52:58I enjoy

00:53:00I have

00:53:01enjoyed

00:53:02the prime

00:53:03minister's

00:53:04speech on

00:53:04the motion

00:53:05of address

00:53:06the president's

00:53:08motion of

00:53:08address

00:53:08in the

00:53:10Rajasabha

00:53:10he did

00:53:11that

00:53:11this time

00:53:11he didn't

00:53:11get a

00:53:12chance to

00:53:12do that

00:53:12in the

00:53:12Lokasabha

00:53:13and I

00:53:14like it

00:53:14because

00:53:15the

00:53:15motion

00:53:16of

00:53:16the

00:53:17president's

00:53:18motion

00:53:19is a

00:53:19time-honored

00:53:20tradition

00:53:20where the

00:53:21prime minister

00:53:21is like

00:53:22our

00:53:22state of

00:53:22the

00:53:22union

00:53:22address

00:53:23where the

00:53:24prime

00:53:24minister

00:53:24of the

00:53:25country

00:53:25speaks

00:53:25about

00:53:27what's

00:53:27happening

00:53:28overseas

00:53:28what's

00:53:29happening

00:53:29in

00:53:29India

00:53:29what's

00:53:29happening

00:53:30with

00:53:30the

00:53:30economy

00:53:30what's

00:53:30happening

00:53:31with

00:53:32the

00:53:32national

00:53:32security

00:53:34situation

00:53:34in our

00:53:34country

00:53:35and I

00:53:36think

00:53:36it's a

00:53:36very

00:53:36statesman

00:53:37like

00:53:37speech

00:53:38which

00:53:38covers

00:53:39every

00:53:39point

00:53:39it's

00:53:40also

00:53:40filled

00:53:41with

00:53:41politics

00:53:42with

00:53:42wit

00:53:43so

00:53:43that

00:53:44to me

00:53:44is

00:53:44certainly

00:53:45the

00:53:46best

00:53:46speech

00:53:46that

00:53:47you

00:53:47look

00:53:47forward

00:53:47to

00:53:47where

00:53:48you

00:53:48really

00:53:48want

00:53:48to

00:53:48go

00:53:48and

00:53:49get

00:53:49a

00:53:49good

00:53:50seat

00:53:50and

00:53:51watch

00:53:51it

00:53:52if

00:53:53you

00:53:53ask

00:53:53me

00:53:53from

00:53:53the

00:53:54opposition

00:53:54side

00:53:56for

00:53:56instance

00:53:56in the

00:53:57Rajasabha

00:53:57I would

00:53:57say

00:53:58my

00:53:59neighbour

00:53:59is

00:53:59Sudhan

00:53:59Shutri

00:54:00Vedi

00:54:00very

00:54:01good

00:54:01speeches

00:54:01that's

00:54:02not

00:54:02opposition

00:54:02sorry

00:54:04very good

00:54:05speeches

00:54:05very

00:54:07political

00:54:08yet

00:54:09extremely

00:54:10informative

00:54:11and the

00:54:11nuance

00:54:11in

00:54:12Hindi

00:54:12and

00:54:13able

00:54:14to

00:54:14speak

00:54:14in

00:54:15Hindi

00:54:15and

00:54:15English

00:54:16from

00:54:17the

00:54:17opposition

00:54:18side

00:54:18you know

00:54:20it can't

00:54:21be that

00:54:21you can't

00:54:22name a

00:54:22single

00:54:22person

00:54:23there are

00:54:23people

00:54:23from the

00:54:24opposition

00:54:24side

00:54:25in the

00:54:25Congress

00:54:25or in

00:54:26the

00:54:26opposition

00:54:27one

00:54:27second

00:54:27let me

00:54:28think

00:54:30I would

00:54:31say

00:54:31that

00:54:32a

00:54:33person

00:54:33who

00:54:34tends

00:54:34to

00:54:34when

00:54:35he's

00:54:36not

00:54:36making

00:54:36a

00:54:37political

00:54:37point

00:54:38where

00:54:39he

00:54:39usually

00:54:40is

00:54:40often

00:54:41wrong

00:54:43when

00:54:44he's

00:54:44making

00:54:44purely

00:54:45constructive

00:54:45suggestions

00:54:46would be

00:54:47Peechidambara

00:54:49his speech

00:54:50on the

00:54:51budget

00:54:51sometimes

00:54:52is filled

00:54:53with

00:54:53constructive

00:54:54suggestions

00:54:55maybe

00:54:55because

00:54:55he's

00:54:56been

00:54:56a

00:54:56finance

00:54:57minister

00:54:58but

00:54:58then

00:54:58he'll

00:54:59also

00:54:59try to

00:54:59make

00:55:00a

00:55:00political

00:55:00point

00:55:00that

00:55:01you know

00:55:01UPI

00:55:01will

00:55:01never

00:55:02work

00:55:02and

00:55:02then

00:55:02he'll

00:55:02be

00:55:02proven

00:55:03wrong

00:55:05somebody

00:55:05who

00:55:06makes

00:55:06good

00:55:07speeches

00:55:07from

00:55:08the

00:55:09I would

00:55:10say

00:55:10a person

00:55:11who

00:55:11brings

00:55:11up

00:55:12good

00:55:12points

00:55:13there's

00:55:13a

00:55:14woman

00:55:14named

00:55:15Swati

00:55:15Madival

00:55:16she's

00:55:16a

00:55:16first

00:55:17member

00:55:17of

00:55:17parliament

00:55:19she's

00:55:20from

00:55:20the

00:55:21Amadmi

00:55:21party

00:55:22I'm

00:55:22not

00:55:22sure

00:55:22if

00:55:22she

00:55:22counts

00:55:23as

00:55:23the

00:55:23opposition

00:55:23or

00:55:25because

00:55:26she's

00:55:26having

00:55:26a

00:55:27tough

00:55:27time

00:55:27with

00:55:28her

00:55:28party

00:55:28but

00:55:28she

00:55:29brings

00:55:29up

00:55:29very

00:55:29good

00:55:30points

00:55:30when

00:55:31she

00:55:31speaks

00:55:31about

00:55:31urban

00:55:32issues

00:55:32for

00:55:32instance

00:55:33which

00:55:33are

00:55:33very

00:55:33close

00:55:33to

00:55:33my

00:55:34heart

00:55:35so

00:55:37anything

00:55:37relating

00:55:38to

00:55:39urban

00:55:39issues

00:55:39could be

00:55:40pollution

00:55:41could be

00:55:41urban

00:55:42reforms

00:55:43I've

00:55:44seen her

00:55:44bring up

00:55:44could be

00:55:45crime

00:55:45in

00:55:45cities

00:55:45she's

00:55:46brought up

00:55:46some

00:55:46very

00:55:46informative

00:55:47points

00:55:47puts

00:55:48them

00:55:49very

00:55:49fiercely

00:55:50very

00:55:50effectively

00:55:52you know

00:55:53there are

00:55:53people like

00:55:53that

00:55:53I would

00:55:54say

00:55:54there are

00:55:54many

00:55:54people

00:55:55in the

00:55:55opposition

00:55:55at least

00:55:55in

00:55:56my

00:55:56house

00:55:56there's

00:55:57a

00:55:57person

00:55:58called

00:55:58I don't

00:56:01want to

00:56:01call him

00:56:01Banerjee

00:56:02but I

00:56:02think it's

00:56:03Banerjee

00:56:03from the

00:56:03Trinamul

00:56:04Congress

00:56:05you know

00:56:06political

00:56:07points

00:56:07but when

00:56:08he speaks

00:56:09in

00:56:09Bengali

00:56:09I like

00:56:10hearing him

00:56:10speak in

00:56:10Bengali

00:56:11for instance

00:56:11so these

00:56:12are people

00:56:13who I

00:56:13would say

00:56:14I like

00:56:15listening

00:56:15to

00:56:16watching

00:56:16are you

00:56:19also as

00:56:19confused

00:56:20as the

00:56:20rest of

00:56:20us

00:56:21whether

00:56:21we are

00:56:21still

00:56:21buying

00:56:21oil

00:56:22from

00:56:22Russia

00:56:22or not

00:56:24I would

00:56:25say

00:56:25look

00:56:26America

00:56:26has us

00:56:27believe

00:56:27we are

00:56:27not

00:56:27to ask

00:56:28the

00:56:28commerce

00:56:29minister

00:56:29he's

00:56:30saying

00:56:30ask

00:56:30the

00:56:30minister

00:56:31of

00:56:31external

00:56:31approach

00:56:31you ask

00:56:32me

00:56:32you know

00:56:34Mr. Jai Shankar

00:56:35he says

00:56:35ask the

00:56:35commerce

00:56:36minister

00:56:36you can't

00:56:37expect me

00:56:38to

00:56:38I'm just

00:56:38asking

00:56:39are you

00:56:39confused

00:56:39as

00:56:40I'm

00:56:40saying

00:56:40you can't

00:56:42ask

00:56:42me to

00:56:43answer

00:56:44a question

00:56:44that the

00:56:45commerce

00:56:45minister

00:56:45has asked

00:56:46are you

00:56:47as confused

00:56:47as

00:56:48because we

00:56:48are trying

00:56:48to figure

00:56:49out

00:56:49are we

00:56:49not

00:56:50I would

00:56:50say

00:56:50we have

00:56:51to

00:56:51take

00:56:51the

00:56:54government's

00:56:55statement

00:56:57as yet

00:56:58that's

00:56:58partly

00:56:58because

00:56:59I think

00:56:59the

00:56:59contours

00:57:00of the

00:57:00deal

00:57:00and when

00:57:01I say

00:57:01the deal

00:57:02there's

00:57:02a trade

00:57:02deal

00:57:02which is

00:57:03dealt

00:57:03by the

00:57:03commerce

00:57:03ministry

00:57:04and the

00:57:05commerce

00:57:05secretary

00:57:05in the

00:57:06United

00:57:06States

00:57:06and there

00:57:07are maybe

00:57:07other

00:57:08aspects

00:57:09outside

00:57:09of the

00:57:09trade

00:57:10deal

00:57:10that may

00:57:11or may

00:57:11not

00:57:11be

00:57:11linked

00:57:12when the

00:57:13government

00:57:13makes

00:57:14a holistic

00:57:14statement

00:57:15on the

00:57:15two

00:57:15that to

00:57:16me

00:57:16will

00:57:16be

00:57:16what

00:57:17I

00:57:17have

00:57:17to

00:57:17take

00:57:17at

00:57:17face

00:57:17value

00:57:18I

00:57:18have

00:57:18to

00:57:18believe

00:57:18my

00:57:18number

00:57:19one

00:57:19number

00:57:20two

00:57:20proof

00:57:20is

00:57:20in

00:57:20the

00:57:21pudding

00:57:21if

00:57:22tomorrow

00:57:22our

00:57:22purchase

00:57:23of

00:57:23Russian

00:57:24oil

00:57:24comes

00:57:25down

00:57:25if

00:57:26it

00:57:26is

00:57:26linked

00:57:26indeed

00:57:27to

00:57:27this

00:57:27trade

00:57:27deal

00:57:27then

00:57:28you

00:57:28have

00:57:29the

00:57:29facts

00:57:29before

00:57:29you

00:57:30if

00:57:31they

00:57:31don't

00:57:31come

00:57:31down

00:57:31and

00:57:31yet

00:57:32we

00:57:32have

00:57:32a

00:57:32trade

00:57:32deal

00:57:32then

00:57:33obviously

00:57:33it

00:57:33was

00:57:33not

00:57:33non-issue

00:57:34to

00:57:34start

00:57:34with

00:57:35so

00:57:35I

00:57:36think

00:57:36what's

00:57:36very

00:57:37clear

00:57:37is

00:57:37that

00:57:38you

00:57:39know

00:57:39there's

00:57:39a

00:57:39big

00:57:39difference

00:57:40in

00:57:41tweets

00:57:42from

00:57:42the

00:57:42president

00:57:49the

00:57:49world

00:57:50has

00:57:50understood

00:57:50and

00:57:50perhaps

00:57:51his

00:57:51own

00:57:52administration

00:57:52that

00:57:53sometimes

00:57:53the

00:57:54tweets

00:57:54are

00:57:55suggestive

00:57:55of

00:57:55an

00:57:55intent

00:57:56but

00:57:56they

00:57:56may

00:57:57not

00:57:57be

00:57:57the

00:57:57actual

00:57:58details

00:57:58so

00:57:59if

00:57:59president

00:58:00Trump

00:58:00says

00:58:00we're

00:58:00going

00:58:00to

00:58:00do

00:58:00this

00:58:01to

00:58:01this

00:58:01country

00:58:01or

00:58:01that

00:58:02to

00:58:02that

00:58:02country

00:58:02it

00:58:02could

00:58:04mean

00:58:05it's

00:58:06a

00:58:06threat

00:58:06it

00:58:07could

00:58:07mean

00:58:07that

00:58:07it's

00:58:07a

00:58:07statement

00:58:08of

00:58:08intention

00:58:09so

00:58:10but

00:58:10to

00:58:10me

00:58:11look

00:58:11I

00:58:11would

00:58:11say

00:58:11this

00:58:12again

00:58:12moving

00:58:12beyond

00:58:12that

00:58:13I

00:58:13think

00:58:13it's

00:58:13very

00:58:14clear

00:58:15the

00:58:16fact

00:58:16that

00:58:17the

00:58:17government

00:58:18of

00:58:18India

00:58:18and I

00:58:18give

00:58:18full

00:58:19marks

00:58:19to

00:58:19the

00:58:19prime

00:58:19minister

00:58:20for

00:58:20holding

00:58:21our

00:58:21ground

00:58:21when it

00:58:22came

00:58:22to

00:58:23what

00:58:23was

00:58:24clearly

00:58:24pressure

00:58:25tactics

00:58:25from the

00:58:25United

00:58:25States

00:58:26don't

00:58:27do

00:58:27this

00:58:27or

00:58:27we'll

00:58:27do

00:58:28this

00:58:28don't

00:58:28do

00:58:28this

00:58:28or

00:58:28we'll

00:58:28do

00:58:29this

00:58:29and

00:58:30there's

00:58:30no

00:58:30doubt

00:58:30it

00:58:30affected

00:58:31a lot

00:58:31of

00:58:31industries

00:58:32it

00:58:32affected

00:58:32many

00:58:32small

00:58:33medium

00:58:33industries

00:58:33I've

00:58:34seen

00:58:34people

00:58:35feel

00:58:35the

00:58:35pain

00:58:36from

00:58:36the

00:58:36textile

00:58:37sector

00:58:37from

00:58:37the

00:58:37leather

00:58:38industry

00:58:38from

00:58:39the

00:58:39seafood

00:58:39exporting

00:58:39industry

00:58:40from

00:58:40the

00:58:41German

00:58:41jewellery

00:58:41industry

00:58:42many of

00:58:42which

00:58:42are

00:58:43headquartered

00:58:43in

00:58:44Mumbai

00:58:45the

00:58:45fact

00:58:46that

00:58:46we

00:58:46held

00:58:46our

00:58:47ground

00:58:47and

00:58:47are

00:58:47now

00:58:48moving

00:58:48towards

00:58:48getting

00:58:49a

00:58:49deal

00:58:49beyond

00:58:49the

00:58:50trade

00:58:50deal

00:58:50the

00:58:51larger

00:58:51deal

00:58:52with

00:58:52the

00:58:52United

00:58:52States

00:58:52which

00:58:53is

00:58:53going

00:58:54to

00:58:54be

00:58:54in

00:58:55our

00:58:55interest

00:58:56and

00:58:56on

00:58:56equal

00:58:56terms

00:58:57I

00:58:57think

00:58:58is

00:58:58a

00:58:58very

00:58:58positive

00:58:59step

00:58:59the

00:59:00fact

00:59:00that

00:59:00the

00:59:00European

00:59:01Union

00:59:01signed

00:59:02a

00:59:03trade

00:59:03deal

00:59:03with

00:59:03us

00:59:03and

00:59:04not

00:59:04with

00:59:04China

00:59:04not

00:59:05with

00:59:05the

00:59:06United

00:59:06States

00:59:06tells

00:59:07me

00:59:07that

00:59:08whoever

00:59:09you

00:59:09are

00:59:09whatever

00:59:10your

00:59:10domestic

00:59:11politics

00:59:11may

00:59:12be

00:59:12however

00:59:13anti

00:59:14jobs

00:59:14going

00:59:15to

00:59:15India

00:59:15or

00:59:16Indians

00:59:16coming

00:59:16with

00:59:17H1B

00:59:17visas

00:59:17may

00:59:18be

00:59:18in

00:59:18your

00:59:18local

00:59:18constituency

00:59:20you

00:59:20cannot

00:59:20ignore

00:59:21doing

00:59:22business

00:59:22with

00:59:22India

00:59:22and

00:59:23we

00:59:23have

00:59:23the

00:59:24ability

00:59:24to

00:59:24now

00:59:25not

00:59:25dictate

00:59:25terms

00:59:26but

00:59:26to

00:59:26work

00:59:26on

00:59:27terms

00:59:27that

00:59:27are

00:59:27in

00:59:27our

00:59:27mutual

00:59:28interest

00:59:29if

00:59:30I

00:59:30add

00:59:30that

00:59:31which

00:59:32gives

00:59:32us

00:59:32a lot

00:59:33of

00:59:33stability

00:59:33which

00:59:33certainly

00:59:34creates

00:59:34a new

00:59:34market

00:59:35for

00:59:35our

00:59:36exporters

00:59:37if

00:59:38I

00:59:38add

00:59:38the

00:59:38fact

00:59:38that

00:59:39there

00:59:39are

00:59:39massive

00:59:39supply

00:59:40chains

00:59:40disruptions

00:59:41happening

00:59:41today

00:59:41where

00:59:42China

00:59:43has

00:59:43threatened

00:59:43the

00:59:43world

00:59:44we

00:59:44won't

00:59:44sell

00:59:44you

00:59:44certain

00:59:45magnets

00:59:46rare

00:59:46earth

00:59:47magnets

00:59:47the

00:59:48United

00:59:48States

00:59:48is

00:59:48spending

00:59:4912

00:59:49billion

00:59:49dollars

00:59:49to

00:59:50shore

00:59:50up

00:59:51its

00:59:51own

00:59:51supply

00:59:51chains

00:59:52in

00:59:52rare

00:59:52earth

00:59:52we

00:59:53are

00:59:53doing

00:59:53the

00:59:53same

00:59:54whether

00:59:55it's

00:59:55semiconductors

00:59:57mining

00:59:57of

00:59:58critical

00:59:58mirrors

00:59:58I

00:59:59would

00:59:59give

00:59:59full

01:00:00marks

01:00:00to

01:00:01the

01:00:01government

01:00:01in

01:00:01fact

01:00:01I

01:00:01was

01:00:01talking

01:00:02to

01:00:02some

01:00:02trade

01:00:03organization

01:00:04and

01:00:04they

01:00:04were

01:00:04saying

01:00:05which

01:00:07reforms

01:00:07do

01:00:07you

01:00:07want

01:00:08and

01:00:08I

01:00:08take

01:00:08that

01:00:09message

01:00:09to

01:00:09the

01:00:09government

01:00:10and

01:00:10they

01:00:10said

01:00:11you

01:00:11know

01:00:11actually

01:00:11you're

01:00:11right

01:00:11almost

01:00:12every

01:00:12reform

01:00:13that

01:00:13we

01:00:13can

01:00:13think

01:00:13of

01:00:14is

01:00:14happening

01:00:15maybe

01:00:15it's

01:00:15not

01:00:15happening

01:00:16as

01:00:16quickly

01:00:16as

01:00:16possible

01:00:17maybe

01:00:17a

01:00:17committee

01:00:18has

01:00:18to

01:00:18deliberate

01:00:18on

01:00:19those

01:00:19issues

01:00:19but

01:00:20everything

01:00:20from

01:00:21what

01:00:21we

01:00:22need

01:00:22to

01:00:22be

01:00:22doing

01:00:22in

01:00:23artificial

01:00:23intelligence

01:00:23to

01:00:24what

01:00:24we

01:00:24need

01:00:25to

01:00:25be

01:00:25doing

01:00:25to

01:00:25fueling

01:00:26artificial

01:00:26intelligence

01:00:26in terms

01:00:27of

01:00:27power

01:00:27by

01:00:28opening

01:00:28up

01:00:28the

01:00:28nuclear

01:00:29sector

01:00:29to

01:00:29the

01:00:29private

01:00:29sector

01:00:31to

01:00:31ensuring

01:00:31new

01:00:32markets

01:00:32for

01:00:32us

01:00:32to

01:00:32export

01:00:33to

01:00:33protecting

01:00:34our

01:00:34domestic

01:00:34industries

01:00:35to

01:00:35encouraging

01:00:36manufacturing

01:00:36which

01:00:37is

01:00:37going

01:00:37to

01:00:38become

01:00:38a

01:00:38massive

01:00:38employer

01:00:39in

01:00:39our

01:00:39country

01:00:39I

01:00:40would

01:00:40say

01:00:40the

01:00:41government

01:00:41is

01:00:41doing

01:00:41each

01:00:42and

01:00:42everything

01:00:43in

01:00:43fact

01:00:44I

01:00:44believe

01:00:45COVID

01:00:46was

01:00:46a

01:00:46wake

01:00:46up

01:00:47call

01:00:47to

01:00:48every

01:00:48government

01:00:48and

01:00:49few

01:00:49governments

01:00:50fell

01:00:50by the

01:00:50wayside

01:00:51I

01:00:51think

01:00:51the

01:00:51Indian

01:00:51government

01:00:52has

01:00:52taken

01:00:52advantage

01:00:52of

01:00:53that

01:00:53and

01:00:53we

01:00:53are

01:00:53on

01:00:54absolutely

01:00:54the

01:00:54right

01:00:54track

01:00:55I'm

01:00:55going to

01:00:55ask

01:00:55you

01:00:55last

01:00:56two

01:00:56or

01:00:56three

01:00:56questions

01:00:56because

01:00:57you

01:00:57also

01:00:57have

01:00:57to

01:00:57run

01:00:57and

01:00:58this

01:00:58has

01:00:58nothing

01:00:59to

01:00:59do

01:00:59with

01:00:59politics

01:00:59I

01:01:00was

01:01:00reading

01:01:00this

01:01:01piece

01:01:02where

01:01:03what

01:01:03is

01:01:03it

01:01:03that

01:01:04you

01:01:04have

01:01:04against

01:01:04Munjaro

01:01:05and

01:01:05Uzempic

01:01:07you

01:01:08know

01:01:08so

01:01:08I'll

01:01:08tell

01:01:08you

01:01:09I

01:01:09have

01:01:09a

01:01:09few

01:01:10close

01:01:11friends

01:01:11who

01:01:13your

01:01:13wife's

01:01:14married

01:01:14you

01:01:15married

01:01:15into

01:01:15a

01:01:16Bollywood

01:01:16family

01:01:17there's

01:01:19some

01:01:19people

01:01:19by the

01:01:19way

01:01:20who

01:01:20are

01:01:20from

01:01:20the

01:01:20industry

01:01:21from

01:01:21the

01:01:21entertainment

01:01:22creative

01:01:23industry

01:01:23and

01:01:23some

01:01:23who

01:01:23have

01:01:23nothing

01:01:24to

01:01:24do

01:01:24with

01:01:24the

01:01:24industry

01:01:25I

01:01:25have

01:01:26friends

01:01:26who

01:01:26are

01:01:26extremely

01:01:27knowledgeable

01:01:28some

01:01:28are

01:01:28even

01:01:28doctors

01:01:30many

01:01:30of

01:01:30them

01:01:30had

01:01:31severe

01:01:32chronic

01:01:32cholesterol

01:01:33problems

01:01:34they

01:01:34had

01:01:35chronic

01:01:35diabetes

01:01:37they

01:01:38were

01:01:38overweight

01:01:40they

01:01:40had

01:01:41I

01:01:41would

01:01:42say

01:01:42a

01:01:42very

01:01:42sedentary

01:01:42bad

01:01:43lifestyle

01:01:43some

01:01:44had

01:01:44a

01:01:44decent

01:01:45lifestyle

01:01:45but

01:01:45they

01:01:45were

01:01:46still

01:01:46suffering

01:01:47from

01:01:47obesity

01:01:48I

01:01:49have

01:01:49seen

01:01:499

01:01:50out

01:01:50of

01:01:5010

01:01:50of

01:01:51these

01:01:51individuals

01:01:51who

01:01:52I

01:01:52would

01:01:52say

01:01:52are

01:01:52very

01:01:53close

01:01:53friends

01:01:53of

01:01:53mine

01:01:53they

01:01:54are

01:01:54like

01:01:54my

01:01:54best

01:01:54friends

01:01:55they

01:01:56have

01:01:56recovered

01:01:57from

01:01:57these

01:01:57problems

01:01:58by

01:02:00exercise

01:02:01intermittent

01:02:02fasting

01:02:02which I

01:02:03also

01:02:03practice

01:02:03how many

01:02:04hours

01:02:05while

01:02:05talking

01:02:05to

01:02:05you

01:02:05right

01:02:06now

01:02:08I

01:02:08am

01:02:09fasting

01:02:09for

01:02:10about

01:02:1022

01:02:10hours

01:02:11you

01:02:11are

01:02:11kidding

01:02:12me

01:02:12while

01:02:12talking

01:02:12to

01:02:12you

01:02:12right

01:02:12now

01:02:13as

01:02:14I

01:02:15speak

01:02:15to you

01:02:15before

01:02:17I

01:02:18started

01:02:18my

01:02:18fast

01:02:18if you

01:02:19saw me

01:02:19put

01:02:19something

01:02:19in my

01:02:20mouth

01:02:20that was

01:02:20some

01:02:20elai

01:02:20cheap

01:02:21that's

01:02:22all I

01:02:22ate

01:02:22today

01:02:23and you

01:02:24eat

01:02:24one meal

01:02:24and I

01:02:25eat

01:02:25sometimes

01:02:25one meal

01:02:26a day

01:02:26sometimes

01:02:26I eat

01:02:27two meals

01:02:27a day

01:02:27sometimes

01:02:28I fast

01:02:28for 16

01:02:28hours

01:02:29where I

01:02:30only drink

01:02:30water

01:02:31black

01:02:31coffee

01:02:31black

01:02:31tea

01:02:32nothing

01:02:33else

01:02:33no

01:02:33naryal

01:02:33paani

01:02:33no fruits

01:02:34nothing

01:02:34you're

01:02:35kidding

01:02:35me

01:02:3522

01:02:36hours

01:02:37now I

01:02:38don't want

01:02:38to sound

01:02:38like some

01:02:39conspiracy

01:02:39theorist

01:02:40there are

01:02:41a lot

01:02:41of studies

01:02:42that have

01:02:43proven

01:02:44that if

01:02:45you

01:02:46intermittent

01:02:46fasting

01:02:47works

01:02:49autophagy

01:02:49I know

01:02:50for example

01:02:51a very close

01:02:52friend of mine

01:02:52is the

01:02:53health secretary

01:02:54of the

01:02:54United States

01:02:54Robert

01:02:55Kennedy

01:02:55Jr

01:02:55he himself

01:02:57practices

01:02:57this

01:02:57if you

01:02:58look at

01:02:58his body

01:02:58if you

01:02:59look at

01:02:59his physique

01:03:00his age

01:03:00he's 20

01:03:01years older

01:03:01than me

01:03:01he's 100

01:03:03times fitter

01:03:04than me

01:03:04he practices

01:03:06intermittent

01:03:06fasting

01:03:06I've seen

01:03:07him eat

01:03:07I've seen

01:03:08him eat

01:03:09Indian food

01:03:09he's eaten

01:03:10everything from

01:03:11the samosa

01:03:12to the

01:03:12gulab jamun

01:03:13at the end

01:03:14and I've seen

01:03:15people recover

01:03:16from this

01:03:16recover from

01:03:18diabetes

01:03:18from chronic

01:03:19just intermittent

01:03:20fasting

01:03:21intermittent fasting

01:03:22and exercise

01:03:23so I'm

01:03:25very against

01:03:26I'm not

01:03:27particularly

01:03:27against

01:03:28Lilly

01:03:29the company

01:03:29which is

01:03:29making

01:03:30Manjaro

01:03:30or any

01:03:30of these

01:03:31companies

01:03:31I'm

01:03:32against

01:03:32the

01:03:33western

01:03:34way of

01:03:35marketing

01:03:37you

01:03:38Indians

01:03:39QSR

01:03:39restaurants

01:03:40processed

01:03:41foods

01:03:42high and

01:03:43saturated

01:03:43salt

01:03:43I've done

01:03:44a lot

01:03:44of work

01:03:45as a

01:03:45chairman

01:03:45of

01:03:45parliament's

01:03:47subordinate

01:03:48legislation

01:03:48committee

01:03:49we've

01:03:50gone through

01:03:50detailed

01:03:51testimonies

01:03:52we've

01:03:53had

01:03:54we've

01:03:54made

01:03:54recommendations

01:03:55to the

01:03:55ministry

01:03:56of

01:03:56health

01:03:56on what

01:03:57FSSAI

01:03:57can do

01:03:58keeping

01:03:59small

01:03:59industry

01:03:59in mind

01:04:00so we

01:04:00don't want

01:04:00to disrupt

01:04:01small

01:04:01industry

01:04:01given what's

01:04:02happening

01:04:02with tarifs

01:04:02etc

01:04:03but how

01:04:04we can

01:04:04make

01:04:05India

01:04:05healthy

01:04:05or

01:04:06healthier

01:04:06again

01:04:07and I

01:04:08have a

01:04:08big

01:04:08problem

01:04:08against

01:04:09this

01:04:10western

01:04:10way of

01:04:11promoting

01:04:11these

01:04:11foods

01:04:12this

01:04:13culture

01:04:13which

01:04:14leads

01:04:15to

01:04:15obesity

01:04:15which

01:04:16leads

01:04:16to a

01:04:17sedentary

01:04:17lifestyle

01:04:17which

01:04:18leads

01:04:18to

01:04:19cancer

01:04:21and then

01:04:21I top

01:04:23that up

01:04:23by selling

01:04:23you another

01:04:24product

01:04:25which will

01:04:25make you

01:04:26lose weight

01:04:26so for

01:04:27me

01:04:27I'm glad

01:04:28you asked

01:04:28me that

01:04:29question

01:04:29I don't

01:04:31have anything

01:04:31against a

01:04:32drug

01:04:32I don't

01:04:33have anything

01:04:33against a

01:04:35particular kind

01:04:36of food

01:04:36or a

01:04:36particular

01:04:37company

01:04:37I am

01:04:38against a

01:04:39culture that

01:04:40is destroying

01:04:41and going to

01:04:42create a

01:04:42problem

01:04:42and I

01:04:42commend the

01:04:43prime minister

01:04:43for having

01:04:45this drive

01:04:45to make

01:04:46to spread

01:04:46awareness

01:04:47about obesity

01:04:47and I

01:04:48raise this

01:04:48in this

01:04:49session

01:04:49I raise

01:04:49it in

01:04:49every

01:04:50session

01:04:50of

01:04:50parliament

01:04:50in this

01:04:51session

01:04:51of

01:04:51parliament

01:04:52as well

01:04:52I raise

01:04:53the point

01:04:53that we

01:04:54need to

01:04:55encourage

01:04:55companies

01:04:56to reformulate

01:04:57their foods

01:04:58we need

01:04:59to encourage

01:05:00FSS here

01:05:01which is the

01:05:01regulator to

01:05:02have some

01:05:02form of

01:05:03regulators

01:05:03regulations

01:05:04where at

01:05:04least on

01:05:05the front

01:05:06of a

01:05:06pack

01:05:06you're

01:05:07buying

01:05:07a parent

01:05:08is going

01:05:08out to

01:05:08buy orange

01:05:09juice

01:05:09they're

01:05:09thinking I'm

01:05:10giving my

01:05:10child orange

01:05:10juice

01:05:11it's not

01:05:11orange juice

01:05:11it's

01:05:13unhealthier

01:05:13than a

01:05:13coca-cola

01:05:14you might as

01:05:14well give

01:05:14them a

01:05:14coca-cola

01:05:15it's more

01:05:16sugar

01:05:16it's got

01:05:16more

01:05:16saturated

01:05:17fat

01:05:17it's got

01:05:17trans fats

01:05:18it's got

01:05:18salt

01:05:19it's got

01:05:20all these

01:05:20addictive

01:05:20substances

01:05:21it's got

01:05:21processed

01:05:22chemicals

01:05:22so we

01:05:24need to

01:05:24make people

01:05:24more aware

01:05:25the US

01:05:26is doing

01:05:26a campaign

01:05:27like that

01:05:27because they

01:05:27are suffering

01:05:28from obesity

01:05:28and I

01:05:29think that

01:05:29on top

01:05:30of that

01:05:30when they've

01:05:31sold us

01:05:32this culture

01:05:32which is

01:05:33destroying

01:05:34hurting our

01:05:35future generations

01:05:36now I'm

01:05:37going to

01:05:37come in

01:05:37and sell

01:05:37you a

01:05:38drug

01:05:38which is

01:05:38going to

01:05:38make you

01:05:39lose weight

01:05:39why

01:05:40I would

01:05:40encourage

01:05:41people

01:05:41through you

01:05:41there's

01:05:42enough

01:05:42evidence

01:05:43there's

01:05:43enough

01:05:43data

01:05:43I'm

01:05:44not

01:05:44asking

01:05:44you

01:05:44to

01:05:44do

01:05:44what

01:05:44I

01:05:45do

01:05:45I

01:05:45do

01:05:46up

01:05:46to

01:05:4636

01:05:46hours

01:05:46I've

01:05:47done

01:05:47up

01:05:47to

01:05:4742

01:05:47hours

01:05:47of

01:05:48fasting

01:05:48I would

01:05:49encourage

01:05:49I'm

01:05:50confident

01:05:51that

01:05:51just

01:05:51doing

01:05:5216

01:05:52hours

01:05:52of

01:05:52fasting

01:05:53will

01:05:54benefit

01:05:54anybody

01:05:54it will

01:05:55reduce

01:05:56your

01:05:56cholesterol

01:05:56it will

01:05:57reduce

01:05:57your

01:05:57diabetes

01:05:57in the

01:05:58long run

01:05:58at least

01:05:59it's helped

01:05:59me

01:05:59it's helped

01:06:00my best

01:06:00friends

01:06:01there's

01:06:01medical

01:06:02research

01:06:02study it

01:06:03first

01:06:03don't

01:06:03trust me

01:06:04I'm

01:06:04not a

01:06:04doctor

01:06:05talk to

01:06:06your

01:06:06nutritionist

01:06:06talk to

01:06:07your

01:06:07doctors

01:06:07about it

01:06:08but these

01:06:08are the

01:06:09solutions

01:06:09to make

01:06:10India

01:06:10much

01:06:11healthier

01:06:11but

01:06:11somebody

01:06:12who's

01:06:12so

01:06:12you know

01:06:13where

01:06:13pollution

01:06:14is

01:06:14concerned

01:06:15you've

01:06:15been so

01:06:15vocal

01:06:15it bothers

01:06:16you so

01:06:16much

01:06:16why isn't

01:06:17the

01:06:17parliament

01:06:17discussing

01:06:18pollution

01:06:18I would

01:06:18say

01:06:19parliament

01:06:19has discussed

01:06:19it

01:06:20there have

01:06:20been many

01:06:20discussions

01:06:21during

01:06:21question

01:06:21hour

01:06:22where

01:06:23the

01:06:23ministers

01:06:23the

01:06:24governments

01:06:24have replied

01:06:24look I think

01:06:25air pollution

01:06:26is a

01:06:27it's something

01:06:28we have to also

01:06:29break down

01:06:29because it's

01:06:30very unique

01:06:30when you talk

01:06:31about air

01:06:31pollution

01:06:31you can't

01:06:32just

01:06:32there's not

01:06:32a one

01:06:33size fits

01:06:34all

01:06:34problem

01:06:34or a

01:06:35solution

01:06:35for air

01:06:35pollution

01:06:36in India

01:06:37if you

01:06:37look at

01:06:38the

01:06:38NCR

01:06:39region

01:06:39for instance

01:06:40I don't

01:06:41know if

01:06:41you're aware

01:06:41but the

01:06:41entire

01:06:42gangetic

01:06:42plane

01:06:44has

01:06:46not

01:06:46seen

01:06:47the

01:06:48effects

01:06:48of

01:06:49climate

01:06:49change

01:06:50because of

01:06:50the

01:06:51haze of

01:06:51pollution

01:06:51because

01:06:52the

01:06:53pollution

01:06:53has

01:06:53prevented

01:06:54sun

01:06:54that's

01:06:55sadly

01:06:56that turned

01:06:57out to be

01:06:57that's the

01:06:58silver lining

01:06:58that shows

01:07:00you how bad

01:07:01it

01:07:01the reason

01:07:03that's

01:07:03happened

01:07:04is very

01:07:05different

01:07:05from why

01:07:05you have

01:07:06air pollution

01:07:06in Mumbai

01:07:06the Delhi

01:07:08problem

01:07:08is similar

01:07:09to Mumbai

01:07:10but you also

01:07:10have issues

01:07:11relating

01:07:11to stubble

01:07:12but we

01:07:12need to

01:07:12do enough

01:07:12you certainly

01:07:13need to

01:07:14do enough

01:07:14you need to

01:07:14strike it

01:07:15at the

01:07:15source

01:07:15are we

01:07:16doing enough

01:07:16for example

01:07:17let's say

01:07:17in a

01:07:18neighboring

01:07:18state

01:07:19where

01:07:21you're

01:07:21burning

01:07:22stubble

01:07:23are we

01:07:23doing enough

01:07:24to fix

01:07:24that problem

01:07:25there

01:07:25that's

01:07:26point

01:07:26number

01:07:26one

01:07:26point

01:07:27number

01:07:27two

01:07:27is

01:07:27can

01:07:27we

01:07:28do

01:07:28more

01:07:28let's

01:07:28say

01:07:28experiment

01:07:29with

01:07:30cloud

01:07:31seeding

01:07:31other

01:07:32technologies

01:07:32that's

01:07:34we have to

01:07:34experiment

01:07:35we have to

01:07:35try

01:07:36Mumbai's

01:07:37problem

01:07:37is very

01:07:38very unique

01:07:39Mumbai has

01:07:40firstly

01:07:41pollution

01:07:41largely emanating

01:07:43from construction

01:07:43dust

01:07:44and the reason

01:07:45we have that

01:07:46and we haven't

01:07:46had that the way

01:07:47Delhi has had a

01:07:47chronic problem

01:07:48for many years

01:07:49we used to have

01:07:49a CNG problem

01:07:50in Delhi

01:07:51in Mumbai

01:07:51you have that

01:07:52because there

01:07:53has been in the

01:07:53last five years

01:07:54a massive push

01:07:56towards urban

01:07:57infrastructure

01:07:58you have the

01:07:59metro which is

01:08:00going to be one

01:08:00of the longest

01:08:00metros in

01:08:01the world

01:08:03from Mumbai

01:08:04to Thane

01:08:05you have the

01:08:06coastal road

01:08:06project which has

01:08:07been a game

01:08:07changer where you

01:08:08essentially have

01:08:08reclaimed land

01:08:09that obviously

01:08:10creates dust

01:08:12you have a

01:08:13real estate

01:08:14boom in India

01:08:15which is causing

01:08:16dust

01:08:17pollution

01:08:19Mumbai

01:08:19although its

01:08:20air pollution

01:08:21has increased

01:08:21considerably

01:08:22we are also

01:08:23blessed with

01:08:23three months

01:08:24of the monsoon

01:08:24season

01:08:25where rain

01:08:26then automatically

01:08:26washes it down

01:08:27so each city

01:08:28each region

01:08:29has a different

01:08:30but we need to

01:08:30do enough

01:08:31we 100% need

01:08:32to do a lot

01:08:32the government

01:08:33of India

01:08:34mind you

01:08:34has a very

01:08:36good advisory

01:08:36out to

01:08:37municipalities

01:08:38on how to

01:08:39curb air

01:08:40pollution

01:08:40for example

01:08:40dust mitigation

01:08:41norms

01:08:43do municipalities

01:08:43follow those

01:08:44norms

01:08:45that's where

01:08:45the problem

01:08:46arises

01:08:46so I'll give

01:08:47you an example

01:08:47it's your

01:08:47government

01:08:49not government

01:08:49your municipality

01:08:50in both Delhi

01:08:52we have to

01:08:53do more

01:08:53we have to

01:08:54do more

01:08:54and we

01:08:55will do

01:08:55more

01:08:55but I'm

01:08:56giving an

01:08:57example

01:08:57tomorrow if

01:08:58you're in a

01:08:58city like

01:08:59Mumbai or

01:08:59Delhi

01:09:00one of your

01:09:01viewers

01:09:01and they're

01:09:02seeing a

01:09:02real estate

01:09:03project

01:09:03or an

01:09:04infrastructure

01:09:04project

01:09:05even if

01:09:05it's a

01:09:05government

01:09:05or a

01:09:06private

01:09:06developer

01:09:07and that

01:09:08project is

01:09:08not following

01:09:09the dust

01:09:09mitigation

01:09:10norms of

01:09:10the municipality

01:09:11of Mumbai

01:09:11or of Delhi

01:09:13there must be

01:09:14a mechanism

01:09:14to complain

01:09:15there must be

01:09:16a mechanism

01:09:16for us elected

01:09:17representatives

01:09:18to go out

01:09:19to raise

01:09:20that issue

01:09:20and immediately

01:09:22the local

01:09:23municipalities

01:09:23must give a

01:09:24stop work

01:09:25notice to

01:09:26those developers

01:09:26order of it

01:09:27if we do

01:09:28that you'll

01:09:28automatically

01:09:28have compliance

01:09:29okay you

01:09:30know you don't

01:09:30have much

01:09:31time so my

01:09:31final question

01:09:32because you're

01:09:32a musician

01:09:33what are you

01:09:33listening to

01:09:34nowadays

01:09:34what's your

01:09:36playlist

01:09:36everything

01:09:37my playlist

01:09:38is a

01:09:38shuffle

01:09:39playlist

01:09:40and

01:09:41on

01:09:42Apple

01:09:42music

01:09:42I'm an

01:09:44Apple

01:09:44music

01:09:44fanatic

01:09:45and there's

01:09:46a station

01:09:46called

01:09:47Millin Station

01:09:47which curates

01:09:48based on

01:09:49algorithms

01:09:49music you

01:09:50like

01:09:50and everything

01:09:51under the sun

01:09:52pops up

01:09:53because that's

01:09:53my genre

01:09:54the only thing

01:09:54that really

01:09:55doesn't pop

01:09:55up is

01:09:55electronic

01:09:56music

01:09:56so everything

01:09:58everything

01:09:58what's the

01:09:59music that

01:09:59you play

01:10:00everything pops

01:10:01up from

01:10:02I play

01:10:03so I'm

01:10:03a more

01:10:04of a rock

01:10:04guitar player

01:10:07I play

01:10:08my bass

01:10:09is rock

01:10:10guitar

01:10:11that's where

01:10:12I started

01:10:12from

01:10:12but I can

01:10:14play for

01:10:14example

01:10:15no no no

01:10:15I play like

01:10:16classic rock

01:10:16or I play

01:10:17blues as well

01:10:18I can play

01:10:18jazz as well

01:10:20if you talk

01:10:20to my friends

01:10:21Aman and

01:10:22Ayaan Ali

01:10:22Bhangash

01:10:22who just won

01:10:24a Grammy

01:10:24recently for

01:10:25a collaboration

01:10:25with the

01:10:26Dalai Rama

01:10:26they'll say

01:10:26Millin can

01:10:27play

01:10:28Raag

01:10:28Hanswa

01:10:29Dhoni on

01:10:29the guitar

01:10:29or I can

01:10:30play Raag

01:10:31Kirwani

01:10:31on the

01:10:31guitar

01:10:31so I

01:10:33have the

01:10:33ability to

01:10:36listen to

01:10:37be inspired

01:10:38by everything

01:10:38from Indian

01:10:39classical

01:10:39to western

01:10:40classical

01:10:41to rock

01:10:42music

01:10:43and that's

01:10:43what my

01:10:44playlist is

01:10:44it just

01:10:45keeps changing

01:10:46by earworm

01:10:46what's the

01:10:47current earworm

01:10:48the music

01:10:49that I was

01:10:50listening to

01:10:50today which

01:10:51popped up

01:10:51today was

01:10:51a mix of

01:10:52things

01:10:52was a mix

01:10:53of there

01:10:53was a

01:10:54Pandit

01:10:55Vincent

01:10:55Joshi

01:10:56track that

01:10:57popped up

01:10:57there was a

01:10:58Led Zeppelin

01:10:58track that

01:10:59popped up

01:10:59Led Zeppelin

01:11:00so that's

01:11:02how it

01:11:02goes

01:11:02and my

01:11:04mood

01:11:06goes

01:11:06I'm suddenly

01:11:07listening to

01:11:07Pandit

01:11:08Vincent

01:11:08Joshi

01:11:08suddenly I'm

01:11:09listening to

01:11:09some hard

01:11:09Led Zepp

01:11:10and to me

01:11:12music

01:11:13I'm only

01:11:14the only

01:11:15dogmatic view

01:11:16I have about

01:11:16music is

01:11:17it has to be

01:11:18played

01:11:19it can't be

01:11:20done through

01:11:21a machine

01:11:21and there is

01:11:22that ideological

01:11:23position

01:11:23is that music

01:11:24or is that

01:11:25non-music

01:11:25if you sing

01:11:26if you dance

01:11:27if you tap

01:11:28you're a tap

01:11:28dance

01:11:29even that to

01:11:29me is music

01:11:30if you

01:11:31channelize it

01:11:31through a

01:11:32machine

01:11:32I don't

01:11:32think you

01:11:33have that

01:11:33emotion

01:11:34that you

01:11:34do when

01:11:35you play

01:11:35the second

01:11:35thing which

01:11:36I like

01:11:36about music

01:11:36is and

01:11:38I believe

01:11:38very strongly

01:11:39music has

01:11:39to be

01:11:39life

01:11:40and the

01:11:41best thing

01:11:41about the

01:11:41industry

01:11:42and how

01:11:42technology

01:11:43has disrupted

01:11:43the industry

01:11:44is 30

01:11:45years ago

01:11:4540 years

01:11:46ago if you're

01:11:46a musician

01:11:46you just

01:11:47earned

01:11:48money from

01:11:49publishing

01:11:49rights

01:11:51from your

01:11:51royalties

01:11:52today you

01:11:53don't earn

01:11:53money from

01:11:54royalties

01:11:54if you're

01:11:54a musician

01:11:56because people

01:11:56stream music

01:11:57and in

01:11:58streaming

01:11:58there's no

01:11:58money

01:11:58so artists

01:12:00earn music

01:12:00by touring

01:12:01and what

01:12:02that's done

01:12:02is that's

01:12:03brought out

01:12:03the essence

01:12:03of the

01:12:04artist again

01:12:04the artist

01:12:05has to go

01:12:06on tour

01:12:06the artist

01:12:07has to

01:12:07perform

01:12:07before an

01:12:08audience

01:12:08the artist

01:12:09has to

01:12:09convince

01:12:09the audience

01:12:10looking eye

01:12:11to eye

01:12:12expressing

01:12:12themselves

01:12:13and then

01:12:13the audience

01:12:14buys into

01:12:14that emotion

01:12:14you're more

01:12:15passionate about

01:12:15music than

01:12:16politics

01:12:16of course

01:12:17you are

01:12:18right

01:12:19looks like

01:12:20that

01:12:21but thank

01:12:22you

01:12:22I wish

01:12:22we had

01:12:22more time

01:12:23and we

01:12:23could talk

01:12:23about so

01:12:24much else

01:12:24especially

01:12:25with your

01:12:25child

01:12:26with your

01:12:26wife

01:12:27but maybe

01:12:27some other

01:12:28time

01:12:28but thank

01:12:28you for

01:12:29taking the

01:12:29time out

01:12:29I wish

01:12:30you good

01:12:30music

01:12:31I wish

01:12:31you good

01:12:32luck

01:12:32and hopefully

01:12:33we'll see

01:12:33you in

01:12:332029

01:12:34your Lok Sabha

01:12:35bid for

01:12:36the South

01:12:37Mumbai

01:12:37seal

01:12:37thank you so

01:12:38much

01:12:38I appreciate

01:12:40it

01:12:40sir

01:12:50you

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