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In a big setback, the US Supreme Court on Friday struck down some of President Donald Trump's most sweeping tariffs, in a 6-3 decision ruling that he overstepped his authority when using an emergency powers law to justify new taxes on goods from nearly every country in the world.
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00:01good evening hello and welcome you're with the news today your prime time destination news
00:06newsmakers talking points and tonight there's a big story breaking even as we speak the u.s
00:12supreme court has ruled donald trump's tariffs illegal this is a historic verdict and exactly
00:19around nine months after liberation day as donald trump called it it is a sensational headline
00:26that's right u.s supreme court declares donald trump's tariffs illegal now the ball is back in
00:34the court of the white house what will donald trump now do next all eyes will be on trump
00:51india signs a pax silica agreement at the joins the u.s initiative on ai and critical minerals
01:01the move comes amidst efforts by new delhi and washington to finalize a proposed trade deal
01:11new congress stages a shirtless protest at the ai summit against the u.s trade deal calling it a
01:20surrender the bjp hits back calls it a brainless and shameless protest congress says they have the
01:26right to protest in a democracy
01:32a big india today world exclusive brazilian president lula de silva in a conversation with
01:38india today speaks out on the brics versus dollar debate says must look at other currencies for trade
01:50supreme court directs the appointment of judicial officers to oversee the ongoing bengal
01:55as sir procedure cites a trust deficit between the state government and the pole body
02:07tensions flare in parts of karnataka and hyderabad after stone pelting incidents are reported during
02:13the shivaji jainti procession security heightened in violence affected area
02:22karnataka chief minister satish jarakhioli sparks a rao after making a call to end commission practices
02:28in government departments bjp alleges irregularities by sidara maya government in handling contracts
02:38the madhya paday chief minister forced to apologize after his minister kailash
02:43vijay vargi tells the leader of the opposition to stay within his limits on the floor of the
02:48assembly congress demands vijay vargi as resignation
02:54and taliban's new bizarre law against women sparks global outrage law reportedly equates
03:04women with slaves and permits to physically harm them
03:22but the massive story that's breaking at the moment that could have huge repercussions for the world
03:28and indeed india the supreme court of the united states has just a short while ago ruled against
03:36president donald trump's powers to impose tariffs declaring that his use of this emergency authority
03:42was illegal and unlawful the u.s supreme court in a 6-3 verdict so a fairly comprehensive verdict
03:50has held that trump's aggressive approach to tariffs on products entering the united states from
03:56across the world was not permitted under 1977 law called the international emergency economic powers
04:06act joining me now is rohit sharma joins me from washington dc anisha mathur joins us here she tracks
04:14the courts here but i want to go to you rohit first this is a major setback to donald trump
04:20who over the
04:21last nine months has weaponized tariffs including against india what are trump's options now that the
04:27court has ruled against him well president trump has two options rajdeep i mean this is definitely a
04:34major setback for the president who actually wanted the supreme court to uphold his executive order which
04:40they did not it was kind of given after we heard the arguments back in november so i think president
04:46trump was trying and he knew that this could happen uh we have senator lindsey graham who's championed a
04:51bill in the congress uh in the senate that has about 80 co-sponsors so i think that would be
04:56his default
04:57option now he lindsey graham in this case could actually table that in senate get it passed push it
05:02to house and then make it legal so that's number one the other option that president trump has is the
05:08section 232 tariffs of the trade expansion act but this is limited in terms that he could only do this
05:14for six months so we'll have to wait and watch what president trump does he was supposed to get
05:19into a meeting he was supposed to actually do a press pool spray with governors but as soon as the
05:25news broke out everybody was assured out of the room the press i mean and i think the white house
05:29is
05:29currently huddling to see what would they do next but this is definitely a major setback and in terms of
05:36what impacts it would have on other countries look the countries that have already negotiated trade
05:39agreement including india i don't think there would be any uh you know repercussions or consequences
05:45that i think those deals will stay as it is i didn't i don't think anybody would like to upset
05:50president trump uh the only you know outlier is european union and they have not signed a deal
05:55with president trump and i think that would be another major setback if european union wants to
06:00weaponize this and try to you know do another set of negotiation based on this ruling
06:08but what happens to the existing tariffs for example with india at the moment the tariffs do
06:14still remain as we speak at 25 percent there was of course the additional 25 percent tariff that he
06:20imposed on uh oil purchases from russia does all that go as of tonight or is that still uh in
06:29uh on
06:30paper there until such time uh as the senate decides next what what happens to actually in
06:38legal terms to the tariffs as we speak today so technically two things razi first yes you know
06:43according to supreme court you know the president did not have authority to do that so yes on paper
06:48maybe they're not legal anymore right so there shouldn't be any the other thing and which is
06:53this gets really complicated here is supreme court did not address the question that president
06:57trump really wanted to have answered which was okay you can turn it illegal if you think this is not
07:02right but what about the money us has collected the tariff money us has collected in the last 10 months
07:07or so and they've left it out of the opinion they have not ruled anything on that and this is
07:13where i
07:13think it's going to get a little interesting there are people who are trying to understand decode what
07:17happens with that but for now you know in legal terms they've vacated that meaning essentially there's
07:23not going to be any tariffs they have not ruled on what happens as to what have the tariffs in
07:28terms
07:28of do they stay does president trump come out and do another no so do we go back i think
07:32do we go back
07:33no do we go back to pre-april one pre the so-called liberation day our tariffs back at those
07:43rates
07:44according to this ruling that is the assumption that this is where it stands we'll have to wait and
07:49watch i mean it's 170 page long opinion rajiv it's pretty complicated in that sense also so we'll
07:54have to understand but now i mean meaning from now on forward what we can definitely say is president
07:59trump cannot issue another set or slap more tariffs on anybody using an executive order that is there
08:07now what happens previously do we go back to before april 1st i think we'll have to wait and read
08:11and
08:12understand and break it down from the very very interesting language that the supreme court has used
08:17right in its 170 page opinion uh i i want to go to anisha mathur also anisha uh have you
08:27looked at
08:28this tariff law and the way it operates if this is a 6-3 verdict the key question is whether
08:33it has any
08:34retrospective effect in terms of the tariffs that existed between april and and and february do we go
08:40back to a pre-april situation donald trump could technically go to the senate and try and push these
08:46tariffs to the senate now well uh rajdeep to answer that question is going to take a lot more uh
08:53in
08:54insight into the u.s law but what we can tell you right now from reading this 170 page verdict
09:00is that
09:00the court of the u the u.s supreme court the in its majority verdict has gone into the interpretation
09:06of
09:06ieepa and the power of the president alone they have not gone into the issue of refund they have not
09:13gone
09:13into the issue of what effect it will have with the uh the foreign affairs and the uh various agreements
09:19in fact the dissenting opinion by justice kavanaugh has in fact noted this point that the court the
09:26interim effects of the court's decisions could be substantial but as far as the majority opinion is
09:31concerned rajdeep i all i can tell you is that they have gone on the interpretation and only the
09:37interpretation of the ieepa saying that since the congress did not specifically confer this power
09:43on the president the president could not have imposed unilateral tariffs that the president does not have
09:50the power to impose such status during peace time even if you the u.s government had argued that the
09:57wartime emergency powers allows the president to take such unilateral action so as our colleague was also
10:03saying rajdeep we'll have to see how this work pans out in the next few days because the question of
10:09whether the tariffs already collected would have to be refunded what impact it will have on the foreign
10:15affairs what impact it will have on the uh agreements that the u.s government has inked with various
10:21governments including our government all of that will have to be we'll have to wait and see what the
10:26next step is because this is something that the dissenting opinion has flagged that it could have a cascading
10:30effect i just want to i i want to uh go now to guests who are joining me from new
10:39york and washington
10:41lay locker is joining me from washington bc daniel block senior editor foreign affairs is joining me
10:47from new york daniel we've had you before on the show and it appears at the moment that with these
10:53tariffs being ruled illegal what are donald trump's options now there are lots of questions over what
11:00happens to the existing tariff structure that he's put in place does that go away overnight or can he
11:06go to the senate well i think there's a few things that trump uh can try to do and probably
11:13will do
11:13it's worth saying that none of them are going to be easy or clean replacements for the tariffs
11:20he can try and go to congress to the senate in the house i think he's going to have a
11:24tremendous
11:24amount of trouble in fact i'm confident saying he will not be able to replicate this tariff regime
11:30by going through congress there's too much opposition there the process would be too
11:34legislatively difficult maybe they will sign off on some tariffs on some countries but the broad
11:40sweeping tariffs that he implemented through this law he will not be able to get anything like that
11:45through congress now there are other acts that the white house thinks it can use to recreate
11:51some of these tariffs so they may try and unilaterally recreate this tariff regime under other
11:57authorities but it's really unclear whether they'll be able to do that as well i mean there's a reason they
12:03went to this law first to try and create their sweeping tariff regime they don't see the other
12:09laws as providing the same degree of flexibility and they could do that
12:13and the supreme court could again strike it down in fact i wouldn't be surprised if we wind up seeing
12:17a kind of cat and mouse game um where the white house tries going to other laws in order to
12:23impose
12:23tariffs on various countries and then the supreme court again steps in and says no um that said again i
12:30i
12:30think they will struggle to recreate this tariff regime um it's a it's a huge loss and of note it's
12:36really the first time that we've seen this supreme court which has been generally quite friendly to trump
12:40step in and say this is something that you can't do this is an instance where you've gone beyond
12:45your powers and beyond your authority
12:52very very interesting ray locker joining me from washington dc has america been caught a bit by
12:57surprise there are those who tell me why did it take so long for the courts to decide on it
13:02others who are saying better late than never what's the general mood or sense that you think
13:07washington how will washington see this particularly the u.s congress well congress now has no incentive
13:14to support any kind of tariff that trump tries to ram through um the court has ruled people have been
13:20waiting for this for months for for the court to issue its opinion they assumed that it was going
13:26to be thrown the tariffs were going to be thrown out even with the six three you know republican
13:31appointed majority and three of these justices being trump appointees people assume that
13:37just on the face of it these things were illegal and that has been true proven true plus we had
13:43economic growth numbers come out the economy only grew 2.2 percent in 2025 in large part because of
13:52tariffs so why would you want to support something that's proven to be a downer in terms of economic
13:57growth um and trump has been weakening been weakening politically you know over the last few months
14:05we saw it in the november uh elections were democrats won by wide margins we're seeing it in special
14:12elections there's not a lot of people who want to go out on a limb for donald trump right now
14:17and the fact that there's a six three majority against him on the tariffs is very telling since
14:24he stacked this court with three of his own people and two of them um neil gorsuch and amy coney
14:31barrett
14:31ruled against him so but is he still spoiling for a fight uh i mean it's ironic that all of
14:41this is
14:41coming where all the attention in the last few days has been about u.s uh uh preparing possibly to
14:48strike at iran along comes a strike now within from the supreme court aimed at donald trump is he
14:54spoiling for a fight will he look for a weapon of mass distraction possibly uh uh iran or do you
15:01believe that at the moment he is do you think he can really confront the supreme court um he'll try
15:07he's always spoiling for a fight haven't you been paying attention for the last 10 years that's how he
15:12operates he's always looking for a fight i mean i wouldn't be surprised if planes were in the air over
15:18iran right now because of this you have the epstein files with all that you have this bogus
15:23board of peace in which he's shaking down foreign countries for money for to do something in gaza which
15:29may never happen remember this is a guy who is a 34 time convicted felon okay he's lie he lies
15:38as
15:38routinely as he breathes he's crazy he falls asleep what do you expect from him i mean so there's not
15:45going to be a normal reaction it's not like oh george w bush or george h w bush or ronald
15:51reagan
15:52would get a ruling like this and say hmm what is the prudent thing to do that doesn't it's not
15:57how
15:57he operates so we're not going to see something that makes sense he's going to lash out against
16:02people probably put some crazy social post on at one in the morning saying he's going to do something
16:09i mean it's anyone's guess the one thing that i wouldn't do if i'm another country
16:13is rushed to the negotiating table to deal with him on trade the you already know that the court
16:19says what he's doing is illegal
16:24you know that that's the question geeta mohan our diplomatic affairs editor joins us geeta
16:29that presumably the ministry of external affairs will uh and ministry of commerce may well heave a
16:37sigh of relief at one level but it also leads to uncertainty no now what happens next the trade
16:43deal hasn't been signed trade negotiators are there in washington and lo and behold suddenly tariffs are
16:49no longer on the table so there is an element of uncertainty that will once again crop up and who
16:55knows as uh ray just suggested what donald trump does next well uh rajdeep i agree with daniel and
17:02ray completely in terms of the fact that they use iepa uh first because that was the only maybe the
17:08only big option that they had in order to carry out the tariffs uh or weaponizing the tariffs in the
17:14manner in which uh trump administration did having said that we first have to wait to see like daniel said
17:21there are other options that uh trump administration will explore it might go to court again but it's
17:26again a very long tedious process no country would want to wait and have uh additional tariffs imposed
17:32on it uh just to see what the supreme court of the united states of america is going to do
17:37in diplomacy
17:37we'll be looking at very many countries who are engaging the u.s administration whether it's because
17:44of the weaponization of tariffs and the impact of that or what the trump administration can do
17:50should they not go ahead with the conversations that they are having at this point in time so i don't
17:55think uh new delhi is looking at this as a breather uh as much as the companies and businesses in
18:01america
18:02are looking at uh the the decision as a breather so it's a it's politically uh more important uh and
18:09comes out as a breather for americans rather than uh looking outward to other countries because most of
18:15the countries we just interviewed president lula of brazil and he said uh no matter what trump is
18:20the most powerful uh leader in the world whether he does something or doesn't do and he's headed to uh
18:28to washington dc despite the kind of acrimonious relationship the two leaders have had uh prime
18:34minister modi and prior president trump have engaged as well so most countries are going to look at trade
18:40as a bilateral issue and that will have to be dealt with bilaterally uh that's the sense i get
18:46this is a setback for trump but it's a domestic setback more than anything else at this point in time
18:55daniel do you agree with that that it's a domestic setback because lots of countries have been pushing
19:00in because of the weaponization of tariffs to sign bilateral trade deals some signed for example
19:05india's with the eu but the question is what happens to deals with us still in the making
19:10like india and the united states we don't know about that do you believe that the uncertainty will
19:15remain until we know what donald trump wants to do next because he likes to be in the headlines
19:20he's determined in a way to almost spoil for a fight in some form or the other
19:26yeah i i'd say right now um the domestic consequences are a little bit more predictable than
19:32the international ones um because as gita said there's so much uncertainty about what's going
19:37to happen with all these deals um with you know relations with other countries i mean i've seen a
19:43great deal of caution uh coming from other countries so far about the ruling granted the
19:48really just came out so it's still early but you know other countries trade councils i i think they're
19:53rightfully expressing a degree of caution and uncertainty about this because it really is
19:59unclear what trump is going to do next um i do not think he is going to go gently um
20:05on this issue
20:06that's just not his style that's now how he operates um i i do think that there's probably a
20:12good deal of celebration happening in some foreign capitals and rightfully so um but domestically yeah
20:18it's it's clear in that it's a huge domestic defeat for trump that said i would be remiss if i
20:23didn't
20:23mention that there's a possible silver lining here domestically for trump as well which is that
20:27the tariffs were by most accounts not good for the us economy they were causing some inflation and so
20:33now they're gone so you couldn't paradoxically have a situation where this even as it's a big
20:39political defeat for trump helps his approval ratings in some way because it improves the economic
20:46standing of ordinary americans um now that's looking several you know steps down the road so who knows
20:51if that will really happen but there is a possible silver lining here for him as well
20:59what we're seeing is u.s stocks are already up and there's a sense that uh they could have a
21:04very
21:04strong uh recovery particularly those stocks which were hit by uh the uncertainty that the tariff
21:11regime provoked a final word from you ray uh it's impossible to crystal uh gaze with donald trump you
21:17just don't know what will happen next but do you see him as i said at the outset doing something
21:23dramatic to shift attention from this domestic loss of socks or a loss of face oh yeah i mean i
21:30don't
21:30know what it could be but that's how he operates and i don't even know if he does that consciously
21:35i think he just goes from one thing to another because that's just the way he thinks so it could
21:40be
21:40anything um i wouldn't be resting easily if i was in tehran right now because he might want to do
21:47something big there he's been steadily inching toward that moving ships closer and closer in the
21:52persian gulf so maybe we see something there or maybe we don't see anything it's just hard to say
22:03right well i'm going to leave it there we're waiting to see how this plays out at the moment
22:07waiting for an official comment from the white house none has come donald trump silent no comments
22:13at the moment from truth social but you could expect something or the other from the trump
22:17administration to what's been a major setback to what donald trump has attempted disrupted world
22:23economies tariffs ruled illegal six to three by the u.s supreme court i want to turn from there to
22:30another big story that we have and another big breaking international story because an india today world
22:36world exclusive geeta mohan and maria shakil my colleagues have spoken exclusively to brazilian
22:42president lula de silva who is in india for the india ai impact summit the brazilian leader has praised
22:49bricks backing greater multilateral cooperation and the exploration of local currencies for trade
22:56he has cautioned against over dependence on the u.s and
23:00china urging countries to diversify economic partnerships he's also hailed growing ties
23:07with india and voiced hope of doubling bilateral trade on washington he said brazil seeks constructive
23:13ties with the u.s president donald trump stressing dialogue over confrontation listen in to what lula
23:19de silva had to say and i enjoyed to be respected too that's a very strong message not just to
23:32president
23:32trump to the world but to your people as well that you want critical minerals to be produced and to
23:40finally be manufactured into a final product within brazil having said that let's then talk about president
23:47trump and your relationship with him from i have no relationship with trump to a meeting to now
23:55you're headed to the united states of america probably next month how do you define your relationship with
24:00trump how do you define president trump well i would like to say something that is very serious
24:13i got along very well with president bush i got along very well with president obama
24:22i got along very well with president biden and now i want to get along also very well with president
24:29trump
24:30the relationship between brazil and the u.s has more than 200 years of existence diplomatic relations
24:37and i want to continue to be a strong relationship that's what i want with the freedom that they use
24:45u.s wants for them and the freedom that i wish for brazil brazil has a trade with the u
24:52.s of 80 billion dollars
24:5840 billion that brazil exports and 40 billion that we import from the u.s
25:02and there's a surplus in the trade for the u.s the u.s represents only 12 percent of the
25:10brazilian trade
25:11balance of these 12 percent 22 percent receive the tariffs from trump it's not the end of the world
25:22and we did not apply the reciprocity law because we believe in the capacity to negotiate from the
25:29brazilian side but i have my chancellor with me i have my finance minister and i have the vice president
25:36of the republic that are negotiating with the u.s trump administration and i propose to him a meeting
25:43person to person in march let's see what will be the date so that we can put things on the
25:49table
25:50the issues on the tip and reach the agreement that we have to make at any level i there's nothing
25:57forbidden issue to discuss with president trump on trade matters what i cannot discuss put in discussion
26:03is my sovereignty and the democracy in brazil this is something that is belongs to me and my people
26:09but from the trade viewpoint i'm willing to negotiate with the u.s as i'm going to negotiate tomorrow
26:18with prime minister modi i came here to discuss with prime minister modi what is good for brazil and for
26:25india in our relation what can brazil can buy from india and sell to india what our business sector can
26:32build partnerships because this is what's important for the people what will the people gain with all
26:41this with these things it's not just uh coming from the u.s it cannot only the u.s win
26:48to be the winner
26:49only alone what we want and that's why we advocate multilateralism
26:59and you can get much more on that special interview with the brazilian president uh another major world
27:05figure here on india today 10 pm tonight watch that uh world exclusive with the brazilian president at 10
27:13p.m tonight lula de silva okay let's turn though to the other big story we are tracking
27:19the conclusion of the india ai summit
27:37that's right the grand ai india impact summit has come to a conclusion here in the national capital
27:44and over the past few days artificial intelligence has suddenly become a buzzword and dominated the
27:50national conversation major global tech leaders have promised to participate with billions of
27:56dollars in the india ai dream prime minister modi has unveiled a road map for artificial intelligence
28:02but there have been skeptics too who have said that this was more about optics than substance
28:07often questioning the planning of such a mega mega event also wondering whether india is too far behind
28:14the us and china in the ai race who better to answer some of these questions than the man who's
28:21really
28:21driven this ai summit or one of the key men in the hot seat i'm joined by abhishek singh he
28:28is the ceo
28:29of india's mission ai he's had a tough four five days first of all abhishek i'm sure you're breathing a
28:35sigh of relief that it's almost over uh it has been uh quite an event uh just in terms of
28:41the size and
28:42therefore i think you deserve a lot of commendation for having achieved that scale of the event
28:47what are your three big takeaways from all the conversations that have happened over the last
28:53five days abhishek see thank you thank you rajdeep and i must say that it has been a stupendous effort
28:59by by the team that ensured that we pulled off at such a major global event at this scale so
29:05as
29:05far as takeaways are concerned like number one it puts india at the ai stage the whole india has noticed
29:10the the talent that we have the capacity that we have are building may building uh models building
29:15ai applications use cases our ability to be to operate at all all layers of the ai stack so first
29:22takeaway i would say that putting india and the ai map showing what we are capable of and what we
29:26can
29:26do number two i would say that this is like the in many ways this is like the digital india
29:31moment of
29:312015 where in ai has been kind of become the go-to thing by for all all youngsters and startups
29:38i believe
29:39that that the interest that youth have shown especially college students and school students
29:44and the amount of time they spent at the startups who were showcasing the best of the solutions
29:48this will inspire them to learn about ai to understand that to understand why it is important for
29:54their future and this will lead to a revolution like never before number third takeaway i would say that
30:01the kind of investments it will drive in our ai economy especially the global majors looking at not only
30:07investing in in data centers and in ai compute in india but also investing in indian companies indian
30:14talent indian startups which will ensure that we will ultimately think of starting to build ip in india
30:20for long what has happened is that talent has been exported from india to the us and the same vcs
30:25have
30:25funded indians in the us and they set up companies and create ip there instead of that this will turn
30:31the
30:31clock around and ensure that we will be starting to build impactful companies within india which will
30:37lead to a lot of benefits in the days to come
30:44i'm going to come to each of those takeaways i find them fascinating and i'll come to them
30:48in a moment but i'm i would be remiss in not asking you did the organizers are faced and you
30:54whether
30:54you read social media or not i don't know but there was a lot of flack on social media particularly
30:59over
30:59day one over organization uh there was also the entire fiasco over a galgotia uh robo dog and
31:06how that was allowed to to pass through your diligent systems uh how do you respond to those
31:11who say that the festival tried to become too big too soon and thereby optics took over substance there
31:18wasn't enough time to actually have those serious dialogues that were needed how would you respond to
31:23those who say optics took over substance and it could have been planned and organized better
31:29i would reverse it around and say that maybe we didn't focus too much on optics and we focused
31:34more on substance the quality of sessions that we had was fabulous and we did spend a lot of time
31:39in curating those sessions and getting the right people to come to india and speak around the sessions
31:44what we didn't anticipate maybe was that on day one we'll have as much crowd as we got because day
31:50one was
31:50supposed to be a light day the expo was not open the expo was opening only on the in the
31:55evening of uh
31:56of uh 16th at 5 pm when honorable prime minister inaugurating it but somehow people came in the
32:02morning thinking that the expo is open so the numbers that we are anticipating because for all the
32:07sessions the bharat mandam's capacity is to take almost five to six thousand people only and uh those
32:12who had registered we wanted we were expecting them only to come but we did get almost 60 to 70
32:17thousand people and since the expo was not open that day this expo was supposed to be open on
32:21from 17th onwards it led to some commotion and some uh bad social media feedback that we got
32:28but what i strongly believe is that the the core if you look at the videos of even on the
32:33day one
32:34the sessions were like populated like crazy every room was filled the discussions were very intense
32:40so so that is the proof that it was not optics or substance had it been optics we would have
32:44focused
32:44only on logistics and ensuring that people get in number two about the galgotia instead the less said
32:49the better it's not that we were we were showcasing and only an indian products exhibition there were
32:54multiple companies who were showcasing products from all over the world so but the mistake that these
33:00fellows did was that they claimed that product to be they made by them so that was a wrong take
33:06by by
33:06the concerned uh person who spoke to the media without understanding and i believe because of
33:13that the the expo organizers did cancel their stall allotment and they were removed
33:22so could there have been better due diligence there i i come back to it uh you know you're
33:27blaming galgotias i i'm sorry i just want to focus for a minute on that because let's get this out
33:32of the way you're saying on day one the organization may have been caught off guard because of just the
33:38sheer size and enthusiasm of audiences and the galgotia instance is a one-off it shouldn't take away
33:44presumably from all the other wonderful innovative startups and that the fault was that they were
33:49selling uh the robo dog as their own product am i broadly correct and that was not told to you
33:55or whoever was was in charge of the expo see like it's very difficult to do due diligence with regard
34:02to what people may say when a media when they're giving a media bite this this is like if we
34:08don't
34:08we don't even have that level of either human intelligence or artificial intelligence to predict
34:12what somebody will say to a media journalist on a tv interview if they say something which is
34:16factually wrong and misleading then there's little that the we could do in advance if somebody has a
34:22product like that i will be happy to learn how it is made and how it is done so that
34:26was so the
34:27galgotia incident is about that only it was more about the wrong claim that was made the misleading
34:30claim that was made rather than what was exhibited so that's yeah
34:39let's turn from there to the more positive sides that that's the negative which captured the headlines
34:44and the media often focuses on what captures the headlines but the launch pad you mentioned this
34:50as one of your takeaways about indigenous ai models the prime minister has spoken about making india in
34:54a way possibly the third pole after the us and china you have indigenous ai models coming out there
35:02like the sarwam model do you believe these models now can compete with the best of what the american
35:07and the chinese are offering or are we still playing catch up do you believe that this summit in a
35:13way is
35:14showcasing what india can do but are we still playing catch up to the big two
35:19see like sarwa models 105 billion model parameter model that they release has been
35:23published on hugging face and against many benchmarks they are performing better than many of the
35:29models that the west or china has produced so while it is true that we are behind us in china
35:34but we are
35:35catching up and we are catching up fast and maybe very soon we'll be leapfrogging to get ahead but we
35:40should claim that only when we have done that what we are doing is that we are providing as government
35:44we are providing all this support to the ecosystem to the researchers to the startups to industry who
35:50are the ones who will make the models in fact in anywhere else in the world these initiatives are
35:54done by the private sector are done by startups and done by researchers so the role of the government is
35:58to provide an enabling environment and all necessary inputs that is required to build such solutions and
36:04the government is doing that and we have seen what sarvam has done and bharajan has done or socket has
36:09done
36:09or gyani has done and in the pipeline there are 10 to 12 more come more startups who are building
36:14similar
36:14impactful solutions in fact in even in the feel a small language model show the is building a material
36:20science model physics model we have a intelli health which is building a medical solution for
36:26diagnosing epilepsy and alzheimer's so there are many more initiatives which are currently being done which
36:31will ensure that that we will be able to not only catch up but maybe leapfrog to go ahead go
36:37ahead
36:41you're you're using the word leapfrog so are you saying that this gap that exists today because
36:45there's a huge gap you will well know in terms of investments in terms of just where the foundational
36:50models that the us and china have said compared to india you believe that this gap can be bridged is
36:55this
36:55the next big challenge in a way for you yes you've organized the summit yes there's been a lot of
37:00attention as i said it's been part of the national conversation it's put ai on the at least squarely on
37:06the national
37:06dialogue in a way but once now that the summit is over how do you take this forward isn't that
37:11the
37:11next big challenge to ensure that that level of innovation investments take place or will we end up
37:17piggybacking on the american uh foundation models because i heard some of the american speakers
37:23at the summit saying that the american stack is what will drive the world forward
37:29see like again i'd like to clarify that we are not in this game of of competing and trying to
37:35go
37:36forward that's not our objective our objective is to build something for india build something that
37:41works in indian languages build something that solves issues that we have in delivery of health
37:47care services or services of farmers or educational services so we are trying to solve problems that
37:53we have in india trying to improve service delivery trying to bring in efficiency productivity
37:58by using ai in every sector in the process if we go if we are able to our solutions become
38:04better than
38:05any other countries let that be but that's not the only objective the objective is to try to enable
38:11building solutions in india that work for india and ultimately these solutions will be something the
38:15whole world will look at we have done that in the case of digital public infrastructure in fact when
38:19we are building the identity stack and we're building the upi and digital payments or the digi
38:24locker we were not looking at which whether any country has it or not we are building it for india
38:28we are building a solution that we need and maybe later the global south and other countries adopted it
38:33in fact in the case of upi you have seen even countries like brazil and france are looking at it
38:38so not only the developing world but the developed world also looks at our solutions similarly the way we
38:43build ai the what prime minister spoke about yesterday about the mano approach towards building human
38:48centric ai using ai for solving issues that humans face and bettering the lives of people in a very
38:55responsible manner that's our approach and if and the way it's shaping up ultimately it will become an
39:01example for the whole world no but can you can you just very quickly you know tell me how will
39:10manav
39:11translate into reality find words used that you want a moral and ethical inclusive accessible ai system
39:17but there are legitimate fears that people have that ai will actually widen the divide even sundar
39:23pichai spoke about it and ai divide could emerge between the haves and the have-nots how much of
39:28these fine words is going to be translated into action on the ground in terms of making ai for example
39:32truly inclusive and accessible at least in the short term or is there a genuine fear of job losses
39:40see like the way we are building and the way we are trying to make ai inclusive is like
39:44if you look at a project like bhashini which is one of the projects that we launched as part of
39:47ai
39:47that was primarily to ensure that we use ai we use natural language processing to ensure all languages
39:53are covered the models that the west makes they make in english they are trained on english data
39:59sets they are trained on on data sets that that's not contextual they do not capture our nuances our
40:04cultural nuances our our traditions our uh our national ethos that is not captured there so what we are
40:13trying to do is that we are trying to build data sets in all indian languages we are trying to
40:17digitize
40:18our own context and the models which are trained by default in indian languages they will definitely
40:25perform better than any other model when you cut to comes to multilingual context so that's the way we
40:30are trying to address to ensure inclusion is ensured as far as job losses are concerned whenever a new
40:35technology comes in some jobs do get obsolete but new jobs are created how do you how do you take
40:40that opportunity how do you do skilling how do you do re-skilling how do you orient your curriculum
40:46how do you train people and and india has the whole potential of becoming the key ai transformation
40:52services provider for the whole world the whole world will need agentic ai the whole world will need
40:56physical ai the whole world will need aj ai applications and the forward deployment engineers
41:02that are in great demand so the whole world looks at india as providing the workforce that is needed
41:07for building ai applications so we actually i look at it as a big opportunity of moving up the value
41:13chain from being mayor coders where people can become ai transformation engineers and forward
41:18deployment engineers which will be much much more rewarding for each individual and also for the nation's economy
41:27you know today one of the big stories uh abhishek uh saying was the signing up of pax silica a
41:33us-led
41:34strategic alliance of which india has become part of uh many believe that this will uh in a way is
41:40directed against china but will it our signing up to pack silica uh does that make us more dependent
41:47on the us in a way particularly for technology particularly for the kind of uh partnerships that are already
41:54being built uh by indian startups with the nvidia's and the open ais of the world i ask you again
42:00are we
42:01really in a position to uh to become a third pole in this ai uh world around us or is
42:10the us going to
42:11are we only going to have to do partnerships with the us at least in the short run see the
42:17global supply
42:18chain in semiconductors in in chips in ai artificial intelligence deep tech is such that there are
42:25dependencies that every country has in fact nvidia will not be nvidia without what asmc does so it's
42:31not that any country works on its own there are there are partnerships there are uh there are
42:39understandings and and people work with trust when it comes to technology so partnership between india and
42:45us is based on trust our strength remains talent as of now u.s strength is technology and between
42:51this technology and talent we get trust what we are doing is that yes till such time we don't we
42:57design our own chips and we do have the capability of designing on our own ai compute chips because the
43:03entire design engineers look at chip design engines most of them come from india so the dli scheme and
43:08the efforts that are going on i strongly believe that in the next three to five years we'll have a
43:12chip that is designed totally in india and then within a few years we'll be able to tape out those
43:17chips and then again we'll become like kind of self-sufficient over the entire ai stack but at the
43:24moment yes every country is dependent on some other country for some other needs our engineers contribute
43:29to designing of these chips our engineers contribute to most of these models our engineers do contribute to
43:34building ai applications and similarly the us has the talent technology which they offer to us
43:39uh for building impactful solutions
43:46my final question i know you've had very long five days and you ended it with a dance uh or
43:51a song
43:51performance with the naga band there because you are an is officer from nagaland your original
43:57carder parent carder in a way uh you've had this long five days that you've had to go through if
44:03there
44:03is one thing you had to do differently what would you do i again come back to some of the
44:08criticism
44:08there was too many bbip movements the traffic was not as regulated people didn't have water uh they
44:16had to wait in long queues would you have done anything differently to reduce some of the criticism
44:21and only focus on the many uh uh the the many gains uh from the ai summit if there was
44:28one thing you had
44:29to do differently was what would that be see any such event whether you go to davos or whether you
44:35go to
44:36the ces at vegas any major global event where you get heads of state where you get the top ceos
44:43of all
44:43companies where there's a lot of traction where hundreds of thousands of people turn up there will
44:49be traffic because the roads are not designed for handling hundred thousand people on daily basis so if you go
44:54to
44:54disney world there is traffic so traffic issues are normal traffic issues everyone battles that's not
44:59a problem that's that's not a challenge if you're doing a event of this scale with regard to other
45:04facilities i don't think there was any shortage of water or food of any kind in fact uh most people
45:09have appreciated that this was a zero waste summit there was not a speck of garbage or a thrown water
45:14bottle that was seen anywhere in the in the whole premises if i have if i have to do differently
45:20maybe
45:20we should separate out the business days and public days because what happens is that given the kind
45:25of world leaders they were there i would have actually wanted to have some free time for them
45:29to interact with our younger startups with the crowd that we have unfortunately we we do have a large
45:36number of people and sometimes we do get very close to each other which sometimes is culturally not
45:42acceptable to many other parts so maybe we need to really will if we do next time maybe we'll have
45:47business days separately which will be exclusive for business leaders and tech leaders so that
45:51meaningful interaction discussion networking could happen and the public days wherein we get the
45:56citizens to also come and join in students and other stakeholders that can follow so maybe that way
46:02but what we also wanted was that to truly democratize this right summit because we because had we done
46:08that it would have been called as an elite event not open to all but yes criticism comes in whichever
46:14way
46:14you do but as long as a larger objective of ensuring that the ai moment for india has come we
46:20have been
46:20able to achieve that abhishek singh i i really appreciate you joining us i know you've had a rough
46:29five days and you've really been there at the center of it all and but to explain and speak about
46:35the gains and the controversies that's very rare but that's why you're the ceo of ai mission india i
46:42appreciate you and i thank you for joining me and sparing the time on the news today thank you so
46:47much thank you abhishek singh thank you the man of the moment in a way as he says it is
46:52india's ai
46:53moment and hopefully we will take that forward let's of course look at the controversy of the day
46:59because every day of the ai summit there's been some controversy or the other today it was sparked
47:03off by the congress party and the youth congress workers who some of whom entered the bharat mandapam
47:09some of them shirtless and protested against prime minister modi who they said was setting out the
47:15country on the indo-us trade deal the bjp has hit back saying that this was a shameless and
47:20disgusting way to protest particularly at a global summit but the congress says they enjoy the right
47:26to protest listening to the political battle that took place at bharat mandapam
47:43ai summit hijacked by a political drama
47:51at bharat mandapam where presidents prime ministers and global tech giants gathered chaos reigned today
48:00youth congress workers stormed the venue some even went shirtless others flashed t-shirts
48:06raised raised slogans raised one message pm compromised
48:15delhi police moved in fast detentions made sources say entry was allegedly secured using qr codes and
48:23fyr is filed for the qr code
48:25if someone can register online on the website
48:28they have been doing online registration so they have made a qr code
48:31and the qr code is created and then we scanned that the qr code
48:34and the t-shirt is which they protested on the t-shirt and the t-shirt was put on the
48:38sweater and jacket and the jacket was put on the lobby area
48:44in the hole in the 5th lobby area
48:53is calling it nothing short of a sabotage, a bid they say to embarrass India before the world.
49:23you are saying the world is इसकी कीमत पर � composition of this universe.
49:30अज़निन की देस कीमत और लोग खिल्वार करना चाते हैं।
49:33राजनिती होती है, आरोप प्रते आरोप होते हैं।
49:37लेकिन हम देस की कीमत पर सौधेवाजी करें, देश की चवी के साथ खिल्वार करें,
49:53The Saffron Party escalated the charge, alleging the protest was planned at Rahul Gandhi's residence, calling him a traitor.
50:27Congress is defending the disruption, saying protest is democratic right and that the youth is angry.
50:53But here's the political contradiction. While Rahul Gandhi and Congress attacked the summit, Congress MP Shashi Tharoor struck a very
51:01different note.
51:02What has been impressive is, first of all, the attendance. As you said, a number of presidents, prime ministers and
51:08world leaders are here.
51:09And they've come with a strong message of wanting to see a newly integrated world in AI development.
51:19At a summit meant to project India's technological rise, politics ran the algorithm.
51:26Bureau Report, India Today.
51:34Okay, that's about all that we could pack in today.
51:37It's been a week which has seen, as I said, a controversy a day.
51:41That's the nature of India.
51:43When we return, we'll have a special interview that India Today exclusive with Lula de Silva, the Brazilian president that
51:51follows.
51:51I want to thank each of every one of you for joining me tonight.
51:55It's been another big breaking news day.
51:57What will Donald Trump do next?
51:59We'll wait and see what Truth Social and the US president has to say.
52:03But from me and the entire team here, thanks for watching.
52:06Stay well, stay safe.
52:07Good night, Shupratri.
52:08Jai Hind Namaskar.
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