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00:00Fox News alert. The FBI is conducting a third search at Nancy Guthrie's home.
00:06They've just cleared the streets and have established a wider perimeter.
00:10Investigators were seen on the roof of Nancy's home and law enforcement were also tipped off
00:15to a vehicle of interest that was caught on camera outside of the convenience store.
00:21Police are currently on the lookout for this vehicle. All this just moments after officials
00:26say they've received another critical message. The note was emailed to the same local Tucson
00:32station that received the first note. The Guthrie family had asked for proof of life.
00:38Here's what KOLD anchor Mary Coleman told CNN.
00:43Does it seem that that's what this letter is? Is it a response to those things, to those,
00:47you know, the pleas of Savannah and her siblings? And does it include that proof of life or any claim
00:53to that? I can't disclose whether it includes that, but I will go as far as to say that it does
01:01seem like it is a response to some of those videos that were made. The anchor later explained that the
01:07email contains sensitive information and she's not at liberty to discuss it at the request of the
01:13piece, similar to the first note. Is there, would you say it's the same tone and tenor or is there any
01:20shift? Yeah, I would say it's just as coherent as the first. That's what, you know, struck us as
01:27odd about the first one is that, like you said, it was well thought out, clear thoughts put together
01:33well. And I would say that this second one, it has a very, very similar, the way that it was put
01:39together was very similar. Whoever's sending these notes is highly sophisticated and is protecting
01:45their identity from the FBI. This is not the same IP address, but it appears the sender used the same
01:52type of secure server to hide their IP address. So that's all that we know about the sender at this
01:59point, which unfortunately really isn't much. And this new note does contain something that the
02:06senders seem to think will prove to investigators that they're the same people or a person who sent
02:11the first note. It's been six days and Nancy is without her medication. And when she was abducted,
02:19she sustained a bloody injury. This negotiation, if it even is a negotiation, is becoming desperate.
02:26A final deadline was set for Monday. TMZ, who received the first alleged ransom note,
02:32has been analyzing the contents and believes they have a clue about the geography of the kidnappers.
02:38Watch. In the letter, it says they would return her back to Tucson. So they also give a time frame
02:47of how long it would take after they received the money to return her to Tucson. If you look at the
02:53time frame, then you say, well, you can draw a circle around Tucson to see how long maximum it would
03:00take to get her back there. This is Tucson right here. If you look at this red circle, that is the radius
03:09of the maximum amount of time it would take to get her back to Tucson. If the note's not a hoax,
03:18the language would indicate that the entire Southwest, including most of Mexico, is the playing field.
03:24If you live there and see something, say something. The clock's ticking. The kidnappers are in total
03:31control. Harvey Levin explains how.
03:34The letter says, you will have no way of contacting me. This is the only contact.
03:40So that's why they're pleading for proof of life. That's why they are begging, because they have no
03:45idea how to get in touch with this person. So I don't think they know who sent it. And the person who
03:51sent it says, this could be the only contact and you have no way of getting in touch with me. So
03:57they made that clear. These ransom notes are coming from an untraceable address. If the second
04:03note is indeed legitimate and is in response to the two Guthrie family videos, then communication
04:09has been established. So what's next? Police are currently going door to door in the Guthrie
04:15neighborhood, checking doorbell and security cameras, just hoping for something, anything that'll
04:21spark a new lead. Most cameras aren't flagging because the neighborhood's kind of like a black
04:27hole. And as you might be able to tell, there are almost no streetlights in this entire area.
04:34A lot of communities in Arizona take seriously what's called light pollution. They don't like to
04:38emit a lot of light. So it does beg the question of what someone can get away with here at night. And
04:44even if you do have a ring camera or some type of security camera, is it going to be able to make
04:48out a particular human or car? Or is it just going to be a shadow or a silhouette? Even if you have
04:54a camera on your front door, it may not see who's passing by. Nothing. Our camera would not does. I
04:59mean, we live and have a long driveway. You cannot see anything. Right. And that light pollution. I know
05:05whoever the abductor is had to have been familiar with the terrain or case the neighborhood. TMZ says it
05:13has local written all over it. It is interesting to me that we got this ransom letter, but also the other
05:22two media outlets that got the ransom letters were both located in Tucson. They were television stations
05:30in Tucson. So why would somebody who wrote a letter like this know about the local stations and send to
05:39the local stations if they have no connection to Tucson? It feels like there is a connection to
05:47Tucson with the person who wrote this letter. And they must have known the blind spots at Nancy's
05:52house. We know her doorbell surveillance was disconnected. Authorities say it was physically
05:57removed. The whereabouts of that camera are still unknown. But what's even more suspicious is that 20
06:02minutes later, a person was detected by the doorbell software with that 20 minute time gap, the cameras
06:10get gets ripped off the doorbell. But then there's motion scene on the camera outside, you know, 20
06:15minutes later. What's that about? Some people in law enforcement wonder if the person took the doorbell
06:21camera off and wait to see if police arrive without alert anything. Would that do anything? And then
06:26perhaps thinking the coast was clear goes back to the house. We don't know. We don't know the specifics of
06:31what camera detected the motion either. All this technology and we have nothing yet. Nothing.
06:38That's why investigators are still pouring through highway surveillance footage to see if they can run
06:43plates or spot anything out of the ordinary. Remember that hours before kidnapping, Nancy was being driven
06:50by her son in law. He dropped her off after dinner. Were there any cars following them? Fox got behind the
06:56wheel to check the route. We're going to take you on a drive to her daughter Annie's home. So we're
07:03coming up on what looks like the first major intersection where you have lights on all four
07:08sides on the way to Annie's house. And so this is an area where we can see cameras. This was a four and a
07:15half mile drive, 10 minutes going the speed limit. And we can see here at Annie's house, Savannah Guthrie's
07:24sister's home. Detectives are analyzing that first major intersection. One of Nancy's neighbors reported
07:31a suspicious white van parked on the block days before. Was this a crew staking out the house?
07:38Was Nancy being followed the weekend before? Or is this just another dead end? Usually in high
07:44profile criminal investigations, the public can be extremely helpful, but they can also slow things
07:50down and even whip up fake leads like this fake ransom text demanding Bitcoin from the Guthrie's
07:57turned out that some whack job Senate. Here he is. The FBI picked him up and arrested him in LA.
08:05And here's a weird coincidence. Two teens were arrested in Arizona in a home invasion tied to an
08:13alleged $66 million crypto plot on the same day. Nancy Guthrie was last seen. Huh? There's still a
08:22lot we don't know. And there's been a lot of second guessing. The local sheriff who's been doing a lot
08:28of media rounds may have dropped the ball in the critical hours when Nancy was reported missing.
08:33The sheriff didn't get the surveillance plane in the air on Sunday morning. It wasn't until the
08:39afternoon that we had eyes in the sky. This vital search and rescue aircraft needed to be in the air
08:45during the make or break initial phase. It's equipped with high resolution thermal imaging cameras
08:51that can scan vast swaths of desert terrain. Because of a staffing issue, according to the Daily Mail,
08:59the plane sat on the tarmac. Since then, we've seen the FBI come in and take a firmer grip on the case.
09:06Cell phone tower data is being exploited. Intelligence analysts are running down leads
09:11and crisis negotiators are consulting with the Guthrie family. At this stage of the investigation,
09:17it's becoming pretty clear the kidnappers aren't a bunch of amateurs.
09:25People have been asking, does it seem like it's written by just a crazy person? And the answer is no.
09:30This letter was very well constructed. It had structure. If you took this letter to an English teacher and said,
09:39give me notes on structure, on grammar, you probably would get no notes back. It's done by somebody,
09:46I believe, who is educated and really spent time. This was not something that took five minutes to write.
09:56Chief National Correspondent Jonathan Hunt is on the ground in Tucson. And Jonathan, if you can,
10:01I probably can't see our screen, but you're seeing aerial shots, what looks like investigators
10:07combing through the perimeter of Nancy Guthrie's house.
10:11Yeah, Jesse, they have been there now for several hours. And I think picking up on one of the points
10:19you made, Jesse, what we have seen is very much this is an FBI operation at the house right now.
10:27I believe sheriff's deputies are on the scene, but they appear to be there more to establish a perimeter
10:33to keep the media back, to keep any looky-loos back. It is FBI agents who are on the ground that we have
10:40seen going through that property meticulously for several hours now. And also interesting that they
10:48arrived there just hours after that new message, apparently regarding Nancy Guthrie, came through.
10:56The Pima County Sheriff's Office announced that they were, quote, aware of that message in a post
11:01they put out on X and said they were studying it for its authenticity. Then, shortly after they posted
11:09that message is when we saw those federal agents first show up at Nancy Guthrie's house. The media
11:17that were crowded around the entrance to that house, the driveway, were pushed back immediately. And as
11:23you look at the drone again there, you can see that they are now out as the sun begins to go down
11:29with flashlights scouring, it seems to us, every inch of the property in what is a very thorough search.
11:37And again, Jesse, makes you ask, why wasn't this done sooner? Did the Sheriff's Department, again, drop
11:44the ball on this? Because the FBI clearly feels it hasn't been gone through the entire area thoroughly
11:51enough. And you can see them on the outskirts of the property there. We saw, for instance, earlier an
11:57elderly couple who appeared to be neighbors of theirs leading agents around. And if you can just go,
12:04if we can show you one particular bit of video, if you can go to that, we saw agents up on the roof
12:10of Nancy Guthrie's house earlier. You see them there walking across the roof. And as you look at that,
12:16Jesse, they're walking towards the back door there, the blue back door. Just to the right of that back
12:23door, you see a white floodlight. A drone zoomed in on that earlier. That floodlight clearly damaged.
12:30And interesting to remember that the FBI confirmed that in that first ransom note, one of the things
12:37that they were particularly interested in is that the writer of that note mentioned a damaged floodlight.
12:44That appears to be, from what we've seen up close, a damaged floodlight. Jesse?
12:49Very interesting. Thank you so much. Retired NYPD inspector Paul Morrow is also in Tucson. Paul,
12:56so they get this second note. And immediately the FBI comes in, takes complete control of the scene,
13:04and engages in a pretty wide search of the property, even going to the roof. What's this about?
13:14Well, I think the FBI just wants to satisfy itself that everything was done, even if it's
13:19been represented that way. That's like very common in law enforcement. Federal agency comes in,
13:24they're told we did all that already. They want to do it. They're also thinking in terms of paperwork
13:29and legalities. If it ever goes to a federal prosecution, if they do recover something,
13:34now it's been recovered by the FBI. That keeps everything in a sort of neater legal lane.
13:39But I got to mention something else, Jesse, because just before we came to air, I got from Fox
13:44Digital and the Fox Flight team that apparently on that roof, the agents recovered a new camera,
13:51a camera that apparently hadn't been, we hadn't been aware of, and they hadn't been aware of,
13:56and they took it into their custody. I don't know any more than that as to why it hadn't
14:00been recovered, what it might see. But the only other a little bit of analysis I can add is one
14:05of the things I hear out here, which I'd never heard before, is that the people in this area have
14:10wildlife cameras. These are cameras that are specifically designed to pick up animals because
14:16of size and movement, as opposed to human beings. But nonetheless, they are cameras. So I don't know if this
14:22is not a data point that will go into the hopper, but that is something that I can confirm I just
14:27got. Well, that's interesting because you'd think that the daughter and the son-in-law would be aware
14:35of the camera system, whether that was a camera on the roof for the wildlife or that was just an
14:40additional security camera. I would imagine they would have told law enforcement where the cameras
14:46are, or at least maybe the law enforcement during the initial sweep would have seen those cameras.
14:51I'm not really right now having that much confidence in the Pena County Sheriff's Department.
14:56I could be wrong, hope I am, but that's the vibe. I think the country feels that too.
15:01We're also hearing about a car, a car of interest. There was some surveillance footage that was taken
15:09from a local shop. Do you know anything about that?
15:14Yeah, apparently it's from a Circle K. That's a common gas station out here.
15:18And in this area, the gas stations are elaborate. They're like grocery stores that also sell gas.
15:24And apparently a lot of them have the exterior cameras, as so many buildings and businesses do
15:30around the country these days. The value there is that they're right on the road because they're gas
15:35stations. And if you remember, Jesse, in the Koberger case, when it became clear what the time of the
15:41incident was, a woman working overnight in a gas station said, let me satisfy my curiosity. She
15:46went to her computer. She pulled up the last couple of weeks, honed in on the date of, and lo and behold,
15:53she sees a white car that matches the description and the time that had been put out by the FBI and
16:00the task force in Utah of the car of interest that had been at the scene. The bad break there was,
16:07there was no front plate. Arizona is also a rear plate only required state. So I don't know if
16:15that'll come into play, but almost certainly they're looking for video. I know they're looking
16:19for video from the gas station. They're looking for video of the car around the time because they
16:23have a good metric of when the abduction likely occurred. Well, good. I mean, there's a lot of
16:28action between the car, the new search, the new note. Hopefully we get a little momentum
16:33in our favor here. Paul, thank you so much. Great job. Ray Carr is a former FBI hostage negotiator.
16:41Ray, so you get this second note and what little the local anchor told us, it did seem to be in
16:50response to the Guthrie videos, the two they put out. And it seemed to confirm or at least try to
16:58confirm that that was the same person that wrote the new note. And it includes sensitive information.
17:04What do you think that sensitive information could be proof of life?
17:10Well, proof of life would have to be something by either a photograph or something specific
17:18to the victim themselves, to Nancy. I know they talked about an Apple watch. They talked about a
17:25light. Are those really specific to her, to her property? There has to be something that was said
17:33to the FBI and to law enforcement that caused them to go back a third time to the residence. And I know
17:39the FBI, if once they take control of something, they're going to go over the
17:43the scene as though it was the first time that it was being gone over. That's just the way it
17:50happens in the bureau. Do you think, and I know I'm kind of zoning in on the proof of life concept,
17:57because it's all we have right now. And that's the only thing keeping hope alive.
18:03Would it be something that maybe Nancy told the kidnappers that this is something in the house,
18:08this is something in the property, um, that maybe the kidnappers were using to prove
18:15that she's still alive. And that's what triggered the search.
18:21I tell you this, nobody's talked about this, but in kind of taking a look at this,
18:27there was 31 minutes from the time that they took the, uh, the ring doorbell camera off
18:34until the time, uh, when she left and her Apple watch stopped working. That's a long period of
18:40time for someone to adopt, to abduct someone. So to me, it, and I said this early on in reference
18:49to the victimology, there has to be a familiarity, uh, by the offenders. And I say there's more than
18:55one offender here by the offenders with the property and with Nancy. Now it doesn't have to be a direct
19:01relationship with somebody that's provided information to individuals that went in and
19:06did the things they've done. Yeah. I mean, that does give the abductors a lot of opportunity
19:14inside the residence to understand what's there, collect details and, and maybe use or abuse those
19:22details in a, in a negotiation. The, I guess this new search of the perimeter, I mean, this is,
19:31this is quite a property. I think, what did they say? It was a, was it a mile, three miles? I forget
19:35what it was. Um, would this be looking for something in terms of footprints, uh, something that was
19:43dropped? Uh, what, what, what, what reason would they be looking that far away from the actual house?
19:52You never know. Uh, I've been involved in many cases where individuals conducted surveillance,
19:59not only on the streets, but from the woods and from different areas. So you never know what
20:04you're going to find. When you start out with these investigations, they're very, very broad.
20:10And the further you go with these investigations, things have a tendency to narrow themselves down.
20:15And you get to focus on things that are really, really important that you find after you disprove
20:20other things that you found are not really associated with the crime itself.
20:25All right. Thank you so much for your expertise. We really appreciate it.
20:29Bernard Zippor is a former special agent in charge of the ATF. Bernard, what do you think they're
20:34looking for out there? Is it a possibility that this was a kidnapping crew and one of the
20:39people that had staked themselves out right there in the woods?
20:43Well, Jesse, any time you have a situation like this, where you have an ability for someone to,
20:49you know, remain undetected for a long period of time, it certainly lends itself to,
20:53you know, that possibility of someone, you know, maybe they're looking for evidence of
20:57someone having spent quite a bit of time observing, uh, you know, any type of remote situation like this
21:03absolutely lends itself to that possibility.
21:05And the fact that they descended upon this property almost immediately after this second
21:10alleged note came in from these supposed abductors, do you think this could possibly
21:18be a confirmation of a proof of life?
21:23Well, I certainly hope so. And again, not knowing what's in that note, you know,
21:27that we've got a lot more resources and candidly, we've got a lot more attention on this case now.
21:32So there's a lot of pressure on the investigative agencies. Why not send the resources out there
21:37to look for, you know, that proverbial needle in the haystack? You never know when you're going to
21:41get lucky and find maybe it's a cigarette butt or a piece of chewing gum that you might get a
21:46piece of DNA off of. Again, you have the resources available. Why not use them?
21:49Well, they didn't use the plane. Apparently they have a very expensive and sophisticated surveillance
21:55plane. It sat on the tarmac in critical hours right after the abduction was reported to law
22:01enforcement. What's the excuse for that? Well, it really would depend on the use case
22:08of that plane. I suspect they might be talking about, there's a plane called the Night Stalker.
22:13It's very good. It's usually used to track moving vehicles, but you have to know what vehicle you're
22:17looking for typically, unless they had a license plate or some indicator, you know, just putting the
22:22plane up in the air for the sake of it would be a waste of resources. I would guess they just didn't
22:27have anything concrete to go on that would justify scrambling that resource at the time. And you
22:32never know if you scramble it and then you need it. Now you're halfway out of fuel. So you just never
22:37know what the what the circumstances are there. So we got a report about a camera on the roof.
22:43What are we six days in there now taking a camera off the top of a roof?
22:47Yeah, again, that might be something that didn't initially come to light during the investigation,
22:56you know, at no stone unturned at this point. So as things are getting frustrated, you go back,
23:02you bring a new set of eyes in, you discuss what have we possibly missed, bring, you know, potentially
23:07different perspectives in. Let's try this. You know, while we're waiting and trying to uncover
23:13new facts, again, why not use those resources? All right, Rob, thank you so much.
23:19Hosted to take that with Chris Hansen, Chris Hansen. What are you hearing about law enforcement
23:24on the ground in Tucson? They are now using, Jesse, a technology called geofencing. And this allows law
23:31enforcement to see exactly which cellular devices, digital assets were paying off nearby towers at any
23:41given time. So if it's a cell phone, if it's a computer, if it's some sort of digital, you know,
23:47platform, they can find out. And once they identify that cell phone by number or the computer or the
23:54tablet, they can run that number through one of their investigative tools and find that individual.
23:59Now, some of this work requires warrants and it requires the cooperation of technology companies,
24:05but it's all in process now. Why do you think it's so labor intensive and so laborious? I mean,
24:12like you're six days in and you're still getting warrants from AT&T or whoever the cellular provider
24:19is. Why isn't this done immediately? It should be done immediately. But it's just like when we talk
24:23about investigations on social media platforms like Roblox, where there is, for instance,
24:30a crime committed, they don't give that stuff up right away, nor does Google or any of these other,
24:37you know, social media companies. They require a warrant. Now, you would think that Apple or a
24:43company like that would give this up right away in a case like this. But sometimes it's like you said,
24:47laborious. OK, I mean, even even in an international kidnapping case, if I'm with the FBI coming in,
24:54if I'm the CEO, I give it up right away. But first they have to see which ones hit.
24:59Then they can narrow the time frame from the time that the camera goes dead to the time that her,
25:06you know, heart device disconnects from the from the watch. They can look in that time frame and say,
25:11OK, these are the cells that were used. These are the tablets used. These are the computers used.
25:16And these are the people who own them. They can go track those people down. You've covered a lot of
25:21criminal cases. Have you ever seen such a bizarre case? Never. This and I've covered,
25:26as you mentioned, kidnappings and all kinds of crimes that occur online.
25:32It's really a mystery who decides they're going to kidnap the mother of a well-known and beloved
25:39morning show anchor and thinks they can get away with it. Now, they're looking at all kinds of other
25:44things, too, Jesse, including technology in the cars, both the car of Nancy Guthrie,
25:50the cars of her relatives whom she was with earlier in the evening, not casting any suspicion
25:56on them. But they need to confirm the whereabouts because it could come up at a trial of a kidnapper
26:00sometime. Did you look here? Did you look there? They have to say, yes, we checked everything out.
26:04Right. And we did the drive, Fox, from the daughter to the mother's house. Ten minutes.
26:12The first shot of it, those roads didn't even look paved. It didn't really get into what you look to be
26:18civilization. And even then, you know, it's just one stoplight across and then just desolate desert
26:24on either side. How much of a challenge is this? It just looks dark in the middle of the night if
26:29this is the it's very challenging because if you don't have that camera and I'm shocked that the
26:35roof wasn't searched. Right. Right. Because what if the guy grabbed the camera and he did onto the roof?
26:41Well, you've just missed that lead for six days. So whatever they found on the roof and apparently,
26:46according to Paul Moore's reporting, and he's always right, there was some sort of a device
26:50up there that could tell the tale. Hopefully it does. But all of this seems to be coming together
26:56rather slowly. Yeah. And if it was one of the cameras like they had on the ring doorbell camera,
27:00it wasn't recording. Right. So that's another issue. All right. Great work. Thank you so much,
27:05Chris. Appreciate it. More on Nancy Guthrie. Plus, Mike Tyson joins primetime.
27:16Fox News alert. You're looking live at Nancy Guthrie through an infrared drone operated by our Fox
27:22flight team as police continue searching the property. Retired NYPD inspector Paul Morrow is also
27:29in Tucson. I mean, this is pretty incredible footage we're looking at right here. It looks like a team of
27:34agents are coming in and out of the house, in and out of the garage, Paul. You talked about a camera
27:40that was discovered on the roof. Do you think that was part of the just regular surveillance or was
27:47that wildlife? You know, I wish I knew. I haven't even seen an image of it yet because of where I'm
27:55positioned here at the sheriff's office. It would make sense to have a wildlife camera,
28:01perhaps on the roof. But who knows? Maybe there's a skylight or something that people fear they could
28:07get in through in the past that was covered over. I mean, anything really here is possible here without
28:12being up on a roof and seeing it. But I do say to myself, you know, would you not have searched the
28:18roofs, the roof and even at the other house originally just because, you know, the buildings
28:24here are all one story and they're quite low. And, you know, I would have to say to myself if I was going
28:29to do a really thorough search, what if they just threw like a knife or something up onto the roof
28:34during the course of the thing? So I am surprised that something like this hadn't been found earlier,
28:40but maybe it's not going to be much help because, as we know, that all the other cameras were all
28:45wired in a way that they didn't feed the cloud. And as a result, there's no footage to be found.
28:52All right. So the second note that comes in, it's a second IP address. So it's different.
28:57The police aren't able to exploit it. This guy's obviously very sophisticated.
29:02But the fact that a second note may have been sent, I mean, that has to give so much hope to
29:08the Guthrie's who are sitting here dealing with what they thought was just a blank stare
29:14and basically a clock ticking down to death on Monday. How much momentum does this give this
29:23investigation and negotiation? Well, if it does indeed open up a line of communication, that is
29:32a major break. Because up until now, if the ransom, the ransomers here have, they've been so indifferent
29:41that it made you question the entire construction of what's going on here. Is it not an actual ransom
29:47situation? Are they not interested in getting paid? Is there some some other motive? Is another group
29:52involved? I've had ransomware cases where the original bad guys are being assisted by another
29:59set of bad guys. You never know who you're negotiating with. So if they've actually been able to confirm
30:04that they're talking to the real bad guys, that is the major break in this thing. Now, one of the ways to
30:10be able to tell how how much authenticity to give this for the two notes is if the IP address, you
30:18can easily obfuscate. They did it once, they could do it again. You use the onion router, you bounce it
30:22around the world. That's the most simple way to do it. And it's easily done. It's very hard to break.
30:26But the thing I would be looking for to prove it's the same person is that they put in the Bitcoin wallet.
30:34Assuming they want to get paid so badly, and that's what they're pressing for. If they put that long
30:39string of numerals in to the second note, which is so unique. No, it's not out. Nobody could ever
30:45guess it. You immediately say to yourself, this is the same person. And then you'd have to start
30:51to say to yourself, this is a pretty sophisticated operation. And maybe these notes are the real deal.
30:56Yeah. It's a break. Hopefully it's a good one. Thank you so much.
31:00Fox and Friends weekend co-host Griff Jenkins and Fox News medical contributor, Dr. Nicole Sapphire.
31:06So Griff, there was, what is it, 40, 20 minutes when we believe these abductors were inside the house
31:15before she left, or the motion sensors detected someone leaving. What could have possibly been
31:22going on for that long? That's a great question. Excuse me, because you know at 147 AM, the door
31:30camera gets knocked off or taken down. But then it's 228 that she leaves, presumably the house,
31:36because that's when the pacemaker loses contact with the Apple Watch. And that's 41 minutes.
31:42Abductors don't take 41 minutes. It suggests to you, Jesse, that they were familiar with who they were
31:49kidnapping. Maybe they needed to grab some medicine. Maybe they needed to do something. But they spent 40
31:54minutes roughly inside that house with her, which it doesn't feel like a random thing and suggested
32:00maybe they knew him. I will say this though also, because Paul was just talking about it may be a
32:05break and that the kidnappers are trying to get paid. Let's break this down. They have two jobs,
32:11take the person, abduct them and then get paid. They did a good job right out of the gate because
32:16nobody was on the trail. Every hour after an abduction matters and whether they get caught,
32:21they're gone. And obviously here we are six days later, but they didn't do the other part,
32:25which is to get paid. And so the second ransom note suggests that they're feeling that they're not
32:32going to get paid. Because they listened to the videos and the videos from the family clearly said,
32:38we're not going to just wire money to a random Bitcoin account unless we have proof of life. And
32:43then we can talk. Nicole, how important is it to move this as quickly as possible? She's 84. We don't
32:50know what kind of medication she needs and what kind of conditions she's in because of the blood
32:56splatter. Yeah. I mean, there is no lower act than preying on the medically vulnerable. And what we
33:01know about Nancy Guthrie right now is she's an 84 year old woman lives alone in her home in Tucson,
33:06Arizona. She is, she is mentally sharp, but she is physically frail. We know she has longstanding
33:12cardiac issues requiring a pacemaker. But what I've also makes me a little bit more concerned about
33:17is the fact that we've heard her family say that she requires daily medications to not only stop
33:23suffering from chronic pain, but to stay alive. Most commonly, when you have an older woman with
33:27a pacemaker, you have hypertension medications, you have antiarrhythmics, you can have blood clotting
33:33medication to keep her blood thin. So did she, did they take the time to take her medications as
33:38Griff alluded? Possibly, except it did seem that the family and the sheriff's office are concerned that
33:43she doesn't have her medications. So it doesn't seem like she may have had them. I hope that she does.
33:48But as you're alluding to right now, now we have these external stressors. We already have the fact
33:52that she may not have her medications, which could result in a medical emergency, like a heart attack,
33:58a seizure, a stroke, or anything of that sort. But now you have these external stressors,
34:03dehydration, a rise in like cortisol, norepinephrine, epinephrine, all of those stress hormones
34:08that can also raise the blood pressure, cause stroke, cause seizures, cause heart attacks,
34:13and other things. Elderly women alone, no medical background, just being dehydrated,
34:18they can wind up in the emergency room. So time is of the essence.
34:21Yeah. And I wonder if she is still alive, and hopefully she is still alive, whether the kidnappers
34:27showed Nancy the video from Savannah, because at one point, Savannah was talking directly to her mom
34:34and trying to, you know, keep her spirits up. Guys, we'll be with you in a second. One sec.
34:38Bernard Zippor is a former special agent in charge of the ATF. Bernard, you know, they went dark
34:45immediately, and a lot of people lost hope. The second level of communication, and the fact that
34:52there's sensitive information, quote unquote, in the second note, and is responding to Savannah Guthrie
35:00and her brother's two videos. What does that tell you?
35:05There's two things right now that stand out to me. One being that when you see this, you know,
35:10these multiple responses to the site itself, the location, and these searches that are taking place,
35:15that is all being inspired because of new information. And sometimes that's not just as
35:20obvious, but they're looking at things in a new way and very specifically trying to search for something
35:25that was triggered. It could have been triggered with this latest information. It could have been the
35:30digital data that is coming back that is telling them something, but it's very purposeful, and they
35:37are looking for very specific things that are probably going to be, you know, critically important
35:42for next steps. The other thing that I would offer is that, you know, investigators themselves have
35:47to remind that sometimes they're overthinking the motive and intent and the way that an operation took
35:54place when it could be like not smart people that are just greedy and evil that are doing something.
36:00So you have to make sure that they have somebody that's thinking at a dumbed down level almost,
36:04so they don't put themselves in a way where they're pursuing things that are not that may not appear
36:09frivolous at the time, but be consuming important investigative time. And in this case, for somebody
36:16that's vulnerable and needs to be rescued and recovered, you got to cover all your bases. But we did hear
36:21from Harvey Levin and it was confirmed by the local reporter that the structure and the sentences
36:27and the grammar were from someone who was well-educated and there wasn't anything to indicate that this
36:33person was sloppy, poor, or, you know, had rushed into this that seemed very formulaic and well thought
36:42out. That's probably pretty scary because now you know you're dealing with someone who's intelligent
36:47and has taken steps to cover their bases. How concerned is the FBI here?
36:55There's obviously things that have triggered these new physical searches and other information. In
37:00terms of the structure of the written communication, I don't put direct faith in that necessarily
37:06because, you know, AI can help us with poor communication very quickly and it can be modified
37:11numerous times. And again, somebody could be smart enough to try to alter their lexicon and how they
37:18communicate by using that. So all those things have to be considered. But definitively, they have
37:24triggered something here that they are searching for specifically that's physical in nature that's
37:30going to give them a missing piece that they feel like they're pretty hot on at the moment.
37:33Yeah, we don't know whether that's from the car or from the note or for anything. We're just not
37:37sure. Very interesting perspective. Thank you so much. Griff, did you want to add something?
37:43I just want to add that, you know, if we go back to when I interviewed yesterday,
37:47Mary Coleman of KOLD that got the first note and now the second one, I asked her,
37:51when did you get this first note? She said Monday morning. Now, that would have been, Jesse,
37:56well before this was widely publicized. And the fact that the alleged kidnappers had all these details,
38:02specific things in it that led to the validity of the note well before it was public is an interesting
38:08fact because now you're seeing the movement and we're showing the video of the authorities searching
38:14the house. Something was in the second note that not only I think led them to believe there's
38:20validity in the first note, but also something that could break the case. I've covered a lot of crime
38:25scenes. When you see this kind of movement six days later and they pull the media out, you know they're
38:30on to something. And I think it's tied to whatever that new information was in the second. And if
38:34you're sending these notes to the locals, I'm wondering if they're staying local so they can
38:39watch the local news break in real time. What does that tell you about the terrain quickly that she,
38:46if she is in the area, that's kind of rough. Yeah, I'm born and raised in Arizona. Absolutely.
38:51You know, we know that she had some blood droplets on her front porch as she left there.
38:55Elderly, um, tend to be on baby aspirin blood thinner. So it's possible
38:59that this isn't a catastrophic, um, assault event that resulted in the blood, but potentially
39:04a nosebleed or bumped, you know, bumped her arm on the way out. And so she may have dripped some
39:08blood, but she's out in the desert dehydration. I mean, unfortunately it's, it's a concern and
39:13we just sure return. Thank you guys so much. Our exclusive interview with Mike Tyson next.
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