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999: What Happened Next - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:00In the UK, a 999 call is made to the police every three seconds.
00:25It's alright, don't panic. There's people on their way.
00:28Are we going to go to a murder scene? Because it's entirely possible at that point.
00:33But not every call is as it seems.
00:36The dagger that he had is designed that it could even go through somebody's skull.
00:40Oi! What's going on? Oi! I'm going to need an ambulance.
00:44It's the investigating officers who must hunt for the truth.
00:48Keep your hands out of your pocket.
00:50Hey, listen.
00:518-6, we have a mobile phone in the bushes here.
00:53And prove it.
00:54I can't remember anything at all.
00:56My gut was saying that he was lying to me.
00:59Examining every angle.
01:01What measures are they prepared to take to try and throw us off the Senate? We don't know.
01:05To bring the guilty to justice.
01:07She needs to stop lying.
01:10She's a little deceased.
01:12Yeah.
01:12The call came in about half ten on a Friday night, and initially the 9-on-9 call went through and then dropped off.
01:38It's what we refer to as a dropped nines.
01:41So in those kind of instances, we call back to find out what the situation was.
01:44I'm the on duty manager at local Cobham High Street, or I hung up the phone because the fight had actually finished.
01:53There was two guys, quite a vicious fight outside.
01:56Is he there at the location now?
01:58Is the male still there now?
01:59I'll just say yes, he is.
02:01Yes.
02:01I'm just going to get you some help there with me.
02:03Is he still in the car park?
02:05He's just out the front.
02:07He looks quite agitated.
02:08Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
02:14Oi!
02:14What's going on?
02:15Oi!
02:16Hello!
02:17Right, it's in the shop, and the guy who's now in the office is inside.
02:21What's going on?
02:22What's going on?
02:23Ouch!
02:25Shit, I'm going to need an ambulance.
02:33Cobham's quite a well-to-do area, quite a nice area.
02:36It's a rural part of Surrey.
02:38It's an area we might turn as quiet in the police.
02:44On Friday evening, in October 2023, two duty managers are on shift in a local High Street supermarket.
02:52One is Farhad Habib.
02:54Around half past 10, I was in the back, and my colleague was on the shop floor.
02:59Two customers came inside the store, and they had an argument.
03:02The supermarket CCTV captures the men arguing, and on a 999 call earlier, the female duty manager describes the fight.
03:11The older guy was the one starting it.
03:20He actually started it in the shop, and I refused to support him and ask him to leave.
03:25The younger guy came in to get a baby milk, and the older guy was just giving it all the mouth, and he was looking at him.
03:35The duty manager steps in to try and calm the situation.
03:39But the older man, in shorts, turns his anger on the manager.
03:45And that time, my colleague asked him to leave the shop floor.
03:48While on the 999 call, the manager realises the older man has left his wallet behind.
03:56He's got cars. He's got a name on that.
03:58Oh, I've got a driving license.
04:00Say it for me. Is there a home address on there?
04:05CCTV shows the man returns to the store, looking for his wallet.
04:09Police in the patrol car, in case the man returns, and becomes aggressive again.
04:37What's in color is the male?
04:39He's white British. He sounds white British.
04:43And what kind of build?
04:45Medium.
04:46Medium. Height.
04:47He's about 5'7".
04:515'7".
04:52And what's he wearing?
04:59Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
05:02Oi!
05:02What's going on?
05:03Oi! Enough!
05:05Literally in one second, he just went back inside the store, and two attackers followed him.
05:12I saw they striking him three or four times with a baseball bat, and two or three times with a large knife.
05:19The man who started the argument earlier is brutally attacked.
05:23Right, it's in the shop, and the guy who's now in the office is...
05:27What's going on?
05:28Ouch!
05:30Ouch!
05:30Shit, I'm gonna need an ambulance.
05:37What's going on?
05:38The guy I've got has now got a head injury.
05:41I realized there was a heavy bleeding from his head.
05:46Is he bleeding?
05:46I just quickly ran from the back room to grab the first-aid box.
05:52Is he bleeding?
05:52He's bleeding.
05:53Head injury.
05:54Blood is pouring from his head.
05:55Blood is pouring.
05:56Can you try and put pressure on the blood to me, please?
05:58Put some pressure on the head.
05:59Stop the bleeding.
05:59All right, mate.
06:00All right.
06:01I was a police officer in the Metropolitan Police.
06:22I started my career in 2003, and I transferred to Suffolk in 2016.
06:29The Met's the biggest police force in the UK.
06:31Suffolk's one of the smallest.
06:33Obviously, the level of criminality is quite different.
06:36Suffolk is a very safe place to live.
06:39People generally feel very safe.
06:40Police emergency.
06:56Yeah, my neighbor's just been broken into.
06:59I'm standing there shaking like a leaf.
07:01What happened?
07:02I could hear a shouting.
07:04And I thought, I need to go and check.
07:07She's all right.
07:07I just came around.
07:08The back door was wide open.
07:10And I could see there was somebody crouching down beside her bed.
07:15What I didn't realize was that he was holding her down.
07:18In her bedroom?
07:19Yeah.
07:20The victim then recalls the events to her neighbor while she's on the 999 call.
07:26She's got gloves on.
07:28She says he had gloves on because he had them on her face, and she can't breathe.
07:32She can't breathe.
07:33If I should let you breathe, I can't breathe.
07:36She just calls me, let's lose it.
07:39It's just when I'm free.
07:40Have you got someone on the way, please?
07:44It's all right.
07:45Don't panic.
07:46It's absolutely fine.
07:48There's people on their way.
07:49The court taker would have prioritized this as what we term an A grade in the constabulary.
07:55That's the highest priority we can give to a court.
07:59The victim was elderly in her late 70s.
08:02She lived alone at the address.
08:04Thankfully, she had the neighbor next door who she could rely on.
08:06But a truly horrifying incident, I would imagine.
08:13The elderly woman is 77 years old.
08:16Three men broke into her home just after midnight, with one pinning her down on the bed.
08:22Her neighbor came to help when she heard the woman scream.
08:25She went around and found the front door open.
08:27And as she's entered, she was confronted by two white males who pushed past her and obviously gave her a bit of a fright.
08:33I think she said that she'd shouted, what the hell are you doing here?
08:36As she's then advanced further into the property, she's then found a black male stood within the bedroom of the victim.
08:43And she challenged him.
08:44The number one priority, really, for that point, is to get to the victim and the witness and make sure that they're safe
09:06and start gathering the information that we need to begin the investigation.
09:10There's a lot of information that she gives in the call,
09:21which is really helpful to give the police officers who are initially attending.
09:34Chester Jaws in the victim's bedroom had been pulled out.
09:37They'd clearly gone through various areas.
09:40They were looking for whatever they were looking for.
09:42Do you know if they had a vehicle at all?
09:45No idea.
09:46That's fair enough.
09:47They left here on foot, is all I can tell you, because there was no car out the front.
09:53At that point, we had no idea whether the suspects were on foot, vehicles, whether they were local or otherwise.
09:59To draw everybody's minds back to April 2020, time when the burglary happened,
10:04we were two weeks into a national COVID lockdown, so there weren't many people about, so we didn't have any witnesses.
10:09Because of the nature of the village and its rural location, there isn't any local CCTV held by the council.
10:17So at that point, all they had in terms of identity for suspects were two white males who'd been described as short and stocky,
10:23and a tall black male who'd been seen in the bedroom with the victim.
10:26But then detectives make a disturbing discovery at the house.
10:30An item that doesn't belong to the woman, and a clue to their horrifying plans.
10:36They'd obviously left it at the address in their haste to leave.
10:39It was specifically packed with the purpose of committing a serious offence.
10:43In Cobham, Surrey, police are investigating a vicious attack in a supermarket.
11:02Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
11:05Oi!
11:05What's going on?
11:06Oi!
11:07Enough!
11:08Right, it's in the shop, and the guy who's now injured, which is...
11:11What's going on?
11:13Get out!
11:14Get out!
11:15Get out!
11:16Shit, I'm going to need an ambulance.
11:19Staff are treating the man who has a serious head injury.
11:23Those two men have felt like ours.
11:26We're at the suspect.
11:28They've run off.
11:33Hi, how are you?
11:34You OK?
11:34I just tried to stop the bleeding.
11:36I already had a first aid training.
11:38Actually, that's the part of our job.
11:40Set me up.
11:41I told you.
11:42What happened?
11:42I don't know if you haven't come to help you.
11:45Our officers were on scene within minutes, because we'd already started deploying before
11:49the actual assault took place.
11:51So from where the bleeding is coming from?
11:53From the head.
11:53From the head, yeah?
11:54OK.
11:55The light that you've got from yours as well.
11:57The victim's on the floor, quite a few injuries, lots of blood.
12:00The blood was squirted out here.
12:02This is a serious one.
12:03Quite a busy, chaotic scene for them, especially when they're the first officer on scene.
12:07I've been first on scene for stabbings.
12:09And you go there and it's terrifying, quite frankly, because you don't know what you're going to come across.
12:13Are there always that thing to you?
12:14No, no, no.
12:15It's just a baseball bat.
12:16It's sore.
12:17The injured man is rushed to hospital.
12:20Police now need to find the armed attackers.
12:22They could have easily killed him.
12:25I don't know whether the intention was there for that, but obviously the intention was to do him a lot of harm.
12:32So at that point, we're looking at unknown suspects committing an offence for unknown reasons.
12:39One was the suspect and the victim known to one another.
12:43Something we considered was, is this just a random attack?
12:46Is this perhaps people don't know each other and it's just kicked off and it's an argument?
12:49Or is it some sort of organised hit?
12:53Is this some sort of, like, mistaken identity?
12:55And it's from those inquiries that we then start building up the picture.
13:00The victim was arguing with one of the attackers in the supermarket earlier that evening.
13:05Officers need to gather a more detailed picture of events.
13:09And there's quite a few witnesses, both inside the store and outside the store.
13:13One of them held a baseball bat or something that looked like a baseball bat.
13:17Early on, we can solve investigations by what we call golden hour inquiries.
13:23The very start of an investigation quite often tends to be the most fruitful.
13:28We managed to piece together what happened by talking to lots of different witnesses, both inside the store and on the high street.
13:36One witness captures vital evidence.
13:38The witness was able to give us this photo of this vehicle as it fled the scene.
13:56It's not clear enough to make out the registration plate, but it is clear enough to make out a colour, a make and a model, roughly.
14:05The description of the car is circulated to local patrols.
14:11Officers then analyse the supermarket footage leading up to the assault.
14:15So what we're seeing here at the moment is the CCTV of the initial incident.
14:20When the argument first occurs, we've just seen the victim walk into the stock and he's starting to select items from the shelves.
14:28From the footage, it appears that the victim and the attacker only encountered each other when they were in the supermarket.
14:34They're going to both appear at the tills and that's the point where they see each other and then the argument occurs from there.
14:40In the initial incident, the victim was the aggressor.
14:44Obviously, the CCTV doesn't have audio, so we can't tell what was said and by who.
14:48So we've only got the store manager and the victim's statements to go on.
14:53After the argument, the suspect can be seen leaving his shopping behind and following the victim outside.
15:00So outside the store, the suspect continued their argument.
15:03The victims then got into his van and driven off, followed by the suspect.
15:06So there was no actual physical altercation during the first incident.
15:10But the store manager then finds the victim's wallet and he comes back.
15:15Victim's gone into the store, found his wallet, come back out, got in the van.
15:19The victim is in his white van, about to drive away.
15:23At that point is when the Nissan Navara pulls up with the two suspects in.
15:26And one of the suspects comes up and smashes the window of the vehicle.
15:35The victim comes out of this side where he's then attacked by both men as he makes his way towards the store.
15:41From this angle, we can see as we go into the store, the attack continue on the pavement outside.
15:45Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
15:48Oi!
15:48What's going on?
15:49Oi!
15:50Enough!
15:51It's a really vicious attack.
15:52Right, it's in the shop and the guy you've now injured put his inside with...
15:57What's going on?
15:58The store manager was on the call to the police during this entire incident.
16:01So he's relaying to us exactly what's happening on the phone.
16:05Ouch!
16:06Oh, that's me.
16:07Shit, I'm going to need an ambulance.
16:08I was very close to the attackers.
16:13I was thinking when they were attacking the victim, anything could happen with me as well.
16:20Both men then run off, get back into their vehicle and leave, leaving the victim on the floor with injuries.
16:27This is obviously a very brutal attack and it's sheer luck that it wasn't a murder and didn't result in much more serious injuries.
16:35The weapons they've chosen, very serious weapons, very strong weapons.
16:38One that's got a machete, one that's got a baseball bat, something that's going to inflict huge amounts of damage.
16:43We knew they must have been local because ultimately the time it took to leave the store and come back to the store with backup was minutes.
16:53With the attackers at large, police quickly widened their search for the two men.
16:58They've got to then do CCTVs and house-to-house inquiries for the entire road.
17:01You know, on a high street, there's lots of CCTV at time of night, a Friday night.
17:06Using that, we managed to piece together, you know, where the vehicle went, what the direction of travel was, what roads it went down.
17:13Detectives also managed to piece together where the victim went after the initial argument.
17:18We've then picked up CCTV from the forecourt petrol station and it shows the victim pulling up, looking for his wallet.
17:27Obviously, he doesn't realize he's left it at the store.
17:29We've got that CCTV to establish, is he being followed?
17:33Is that how they knew he was going back to the store or was it just a coincidence?
17:37We didn't see him being followed on that petrol station footage.
17:40He's really unlucky.
17:42There's every chance that they would have gone back to the store and had he not forgotten his wallet, they would never have found him.
17:48We were able to narrow it down as an argument that's kicked off into escalating violence.
17:52The immediate thing that jumps out for me with this case is how disproportionate the response was to a minor disagreement in a supermarket
18:04that then ends up in an extreme sustained violent attack.
18:11That shows two people who view violence as a very normal and perfectly appropriate way to resolve conflict.
18:22We don't know what else they're going to do and what other violence and what other harm could occur in the time it takes us to identify and catch them.
18:41Police emergency.
18:48Yeah, my neighbor's just been broken into.
18:51I need to go and catch you, it's all right.
18:53I just came round, the back door was wide open.
18:56Yeah.
18:56And I called her name.
18:59Just as I shouted that, these two white males appeared.
19:03The two blokes had come out and gone down the path.
19:06And I could see there was somebody crouching down beside her bed.
19:10What I didn't realize was he was all near down.
19:14In her bedroom?
19:15Yeah.
19:15He was a very tall black man.
19:18In Cavendish, three men have broken into the home of a 77-year-old woman in the middle of the night.
19:25Is she all right?
19:25No, she's absolutely terrified.
19:29There's a lot of information that she gives in the call.
19:32She'd just gone to bed.
19:34She'd recently have drifted off to sleep just after midnight in the darkness.
19:37Struggling to breathe, the elderly woman screamed, raising the alarm.
19:42Her neighbor heard the call of distress.
19:45She went round and found the front door open.
19:46She found the victim obviously seriously distressed.
19:50The cowardice involved to go in and physically restrain her and put her through that ordeal was horrific, really.
19:55You can hear there's a level of distress in there.
19:58I think she's very much in shock at that time as well.
20:02She said he had gloves on, the black man that held her down.
20:06Yeah.
20:06Because he had them on her face and she couldn't breathe.
20:11She felt she was going to be a victim of serious sexual assault at that point.
20:14DS Toms and his team need to find the three men and determine why they broke into a vulnerable woman's home.
20:23The property concerned in this burglary is a small, modest bungalow.
20:28There were no other incidents that night in the Cavendish area.
20:31It suggested to us that it was a targeted attack.
20:34It was clear that she wasn't very mobile, that she lived alone.
20:38She lived quite a modest life.
20:39It was difficult for her to understand what they'd been trying to get from her.
20:45Most burglaries will happen when people aren't at home.
20:49Most burglars do not want to confront the homeowner.
20:53Nighttime burglaries are actually quite rare.
20:58So these people would have known that the victim was at home.
21:03So this is a different type of burglar.
21:06They know they're going to confront somebody and they weren't ready for it.
21:12The men were clearly searching for something valuable they believed was in the victim's possession.
21:17She had recalled that the male who'd come in and put their hand over her mouth had been asking for the queens.
21:24It was difficult to understand what that could mean because she didn't understand what that meant when it was put to her.
21:29We worked around the working hypothesis that potentially it was coins or whether it referred to banknotes.
21:36We weren't really sure as to why they were using that word, but she was adamant that they'd come in and asked for the queens.
21:43Bar some jewellery and a small amount of cash, nothing of monetary value was taken.
21:49DS Tom's team discover a crucial piece of evidence to assist in identifying the unknown thieves.
21:55Within the property was a bag that was quickly ascertained, had been brought there by the suspect, which obviously became something they left behind in their haste to leave.
22:06The bag was like a black holdall bag and contained inside it was a number of items, some gaffer tape, some rubber gloves and a crowbar.
22:14These items are regularly used in burglaries and in terms of the gaffer tape, our concern is that they may have been used in order to try and restrain people.
22:23That bag was forensically seized. That gave us an opportunity to conduct some forensic testing.
22:30I was intrigued with the holdall and in particular the contents.
22:35So gloves, for example, the tape, it's a wealth of evidence there for us to work with.
22:41There are multiple methods you can use to recover that material.
22:46One could be swabbing or one method would be where we take small sections of tape and we tape lift surfaces where someone may have had contact with it.
22:56In certain DNA techniques, you need very minimal amounts of material.
23:02So we're talking a few skin cells or flakes of dandruff even.
23:06While they await the DNA evidence, the bag and its contents also gives investigators a clue as to the type of person who left it behind.
23:16The bag was containing gloves, which suggested to me that perhaps they were aware of criminal procedures.
23:22I suspect, given the lengths that they had been gone to to commit this terrible crime,
23:27would suggest that we were dealing with people who had a criminal background previously.
23:31DS Toms returns to the scene to search for more evidence from the surrounding area.
23:41So this here is the Five Bells Public House, which is situated on Peacock's Road.
23:45I've got the green just to my right there.
23:48This is the point where we had one of the major breakthroughs with the CCTV camera on the pub there.
23:53We were able to identify two vehicles which approached the victim's address just prior to the burglary
23:59and were seen to make off at speed away from the victim's property just after the burglary.
24:05Because of the COVID-19 pandemic, we were aided in that particular footage,
24:09only showing those two vehicles approaching and leaving it in that time frame.
24:13One was a Ford Mondeo.
24:16The other one was a silver Peugeot.
24:18They split in two different directions.
24:20From the direction of the travel that the Mondeo vehicle took,
24:25they had likely travelled off in a direction towards Essex and London.
24:31The team capture an image showing one of the cars.
24:35But further investigation reveals this uninsured and unregistered.
24:41That's a common tactic used by suspects in order to avoid detection.
24:47And it's at this point that we get our next major breakthrough.
24:50The forensic evidence comes back off of the Holdall bag.
24:54It provides us with the identification of our first suspect.
24:57Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
25:11Oi!
25:12What's going on?
25:12Oi!
25:13Enough!
25:14Right, it's in the shop and the guy you've now injured...
25:18What's going on?
25:19In Cobham, Surrey, police are investigating a vicious attack in a supermarket.
25:27Ouch!
25:28Shit, I'm going to need an ambulance.
25:31Which has left the man with serious injuries.
25:36Is it bleeding?
25:37Head injury.
25:38OK, I'm going to get your help.
25:39Bear with me.
25:40The attack occurred after an earlier altercation between the two men.
25:45Obviously, we knew that these people were dangerous and we knew that catching them was a priority for us.
25:51DC Bell and his team need to identify the pair and look at the evidence on the scene.
25:56Forensic inquiries at a supermarket are really difficult because the high levels of footfall, sheer amount of people coming in and touching things.
26:04And on this occasion, there was items in a basket that the suspect had touched but were put back before the attack occurred.
26:10The chance of identifying those were almost impossible.
26:13And then even if we do identify the exact one, how many more people have handled those items?
26:18But the suspects didn't hide their faces during the attack.
26:22And this could be the key to identifying them.
26:25You've really got to ask yourself what the intention was.
26:29Why were they so angry and so aggressive towards this individual that they've neglected to take precautions?
26:37They are thinking about regaining dominance over another person.
26:43Causing as much harm as possible to the individual who they've perceived has slighted them in some way.
26:51A still of the footage is not good enough quality for the police database.
26:55But it's used for a public appeal.
26:57The public are really key when it comes to identifying suspects because they're our eyes and ears.
27:04So we approached our media department with still images of the suspects from the CCTV and said,
27:11can you help us put out a media appeal about this to identify these people?
27:14Social media is really powerful because it is so quick, especially when it comes to suspect identification.
27:19You know, you can reach hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, at the click of a button.
27:25Within 24 hours, the suspects are identified as Alfie and Alfred Chambers.
27:31We had them named quite quickly as father and son.
27:35We had Alfie named as the son and Alfred as the father.
27:39Alfie was 22 years old at the time and his father was in his late 40s.
27:42It suggests this type of violence has been learned.
27:46This is a generational passing on of violence from father to son and a reinforcement of those behaviours.
27:55Alfie wasn't actually particularly well known.
27:58He was quite young at the time of the offence.
28:00Alfie, on the other hand, had previous convictions for violent offences with weapons.
28:04He had settled a dispute with somebody in a restaurant using a knuckle duster and had spent some time in prison.
28:12They were quite aggressive people.
28:14They didn't solve disputes through conversations.
28:18The next step is obviously trying to get them in, you know, get them under arrest.
28:21And the address was quite local.
28:25Knowing Alfred had a criminal record for violent offences,
28:29an armed response team are sent to the property to arrest the father and son.
28:32So they go there, the house is in darkness, nobody answers the door.
28:38They've then spoken to people in the area
28:40who have said that they've actually fled the address quite quickly the night before.
28:45So now I'm looking at people on the run, so now it's become a manhunt.
28:48In Suffolk, a 77-year-old woman has been held down and burgled by three men.
29:07Police emergency?
29:09Yeah, my neighbour's just been broken into.
29:11Don't worry, they will be with you as soon as I possibly can.
29:15The victim has described her attackers as three men,
29:20two white and one very tall and black.
29:23Having discovered a bag the thieves left behind,
29:26DNA analysis reveals a positive hit.
29:30Sammy Okat-Uma, who's a black male based in the Ilford area in London.
29:36He's a tall male, around 6'5 in height,
29:39a small bit of criminality previously, nothing of this type.
29:42Based on the DNA identification,
29:46the fact that he so strongly fitted the description
29:48that had been provided by the witness,
29:50he was very swiftly arrested.
29:55Sammy Okat-Uma is questioned under caution,
29:58opting to proceed without a solicitor.
30:00The reason for that could have been he was completely innocent.
30:05Why would I need a solicitor?
30:07Yeah, I'm going to be a helpful officer.
30:08I'm going to give you all the information I can
30:10because actually I'm a good guy
30:12and this was nothing to do with me.
30:14That's quite possibly the strategy that he was using.
30:18In this case, it did backfire on him.
30:21Do you know anything about this incident at all?
30:24No.
30:25No.
30:25Is it you that this lady is describing the tall black male
30:28that was in the bedroom?
30:30Tall black male.
30:32It's not you.
30:34It could be anyone.
30:36Did you take any gold jewellery,
30:39a gold bracelet or gold necklace from her?
30:41No.
30:43He was so confident that we didn't have enough evidence
30:45to pin on him that he could do it without a solicitor
30:47and that was probably his downfall.
30:49The bag that was recovered by the police
30:52should have nothing to do with you inside of it.
30:56I hope not.
30:57Why do you hope not?
30:59You must know for a fact, surely.
31:00Because you're saying it.
31:02Hmm.
31:04Except it does.
31:05So why is your DNA on the glove that's in that bag?
31:07My DNA.
31:08Hmm.
31:10That's how we've arrested you.
31:11How else do you think we've worked out who you are?
31:13Don't know.
31:14You've been a bit sloppy here, haven't you, Sammy?
31:16This should be my football bag.
31:18Why should it be your football bag?
31:20Because it's in the back of my car.
31:24Is it?
31:25Yeah.
31:27Sammy claims he'd left his home in Ilford earlier that night
31:30to help a friend nearby.
31:34My friend had to go to his mum's
31:36because there was something wrong with his mum's
31:38so he'd go and have a car.
31:39Hmm.
31:40So I picked him up and struck him down to his mum's.
31:43OK, and where was that?
31:45Um, to Womstead.
31:47Womstead?
31:48OK.
31:48And what's the name of the friend?
31:50Ash.
31:53Sammy states he was nowhere near Cavendish,
31:56but gives the name of another person.
31:59Ash.
32:02He then claimed another acquaintance
32:04had borrowed his car later that night,
32:05and his holdel was still in the car.
32:08In respect of the DNA evidence we had off the holdel,
32:12it stated that the holdel had been actually a football bag
32:15that he used and regularly kept in the back of his car.
32:18He stated that he believed whoever had used his car on that evening
32:20had just simply taken that bag.
32:22During the interview,
32:24Sammy also gives detectives a piece of information that proves key.
32:29Sammy Oka-Uma was quite happy to tell us about his work.
32:33He was a delivery driver at the time.
32:34He told us where he worked.
32:36We conducted a search at his locker,
32:39at his place of work,
32:40which located his mobile phone.
32:43We'd done some call data analysis,
32:46and that information was able to locate his device
32:49in the area of Cavendish
32:50on the night of the burglary at the victim's address.
32:53That was a really significant bit of information.
32:57We were then able to do a secondary interview with him
32:59and challenge him about some of the accounts he'd given.
33:02The fact that he said he'd never left London that evening,
33:05that somebody else had been using his vehicle,
33:06it was difficult then for him to come up with answers.
33:10You've got another phone, haven't you?
33:13Your employers have been very helpful with us, actually.
33:15You've got a locker there, is that right?
33:17Yeah.
33:17What was in that locker, Sammy?
33:19Sat in the...
33:20..and beg.
33:21Sat in the...
33:22..beg.
33:23Boots.
33:24Bag and boots.
33:26And a Sony Xperia Z5 model mobile phone, yes?
33:29This is the phone that went to Cavendish.
33:32His demeanour changed.
33:34It became quite quiet.
33:35It gave sort of monosyllabic responses,
33:38and I think the penny dropped for him
33:40that actually we had some good evidence.
33:42Who are the other two, and why did you do this?
33:45Your DNA is in the bag in the property, Sammy.
33:50There's evidence all over the place here.
33:51I think that was a moment where he really realised
33:54he was in a lot of trouble.
33:57I mean, it's serious.
34:00Oh, it is?
34:00That woman.
34:02Well, she'd have had a heart attack.
34:04You'd be sitting here
34:05in a completely different interview then, wouldn't you?
34:07So he was charged with the offence of robbery initially,
34:11based on the fact that he'd used violence
34:13in order to steal from the victim.
34:15It was a really satisfying moment
34:17to be able to charge one of the suspects.
34:19I was aware there was still a lot of work to do.
34:21We still were no further forward
34:23understanding the motive behind what he did.
34:25And we had two other people
34:27we needed to identify at this point.
34:29Sammy's first interview gives the team
34:32another possible lead
34:33in identifying one of the other men
34:35involved in the break-in.
34:37He'd also made the mistake
34:38of introducing this friend by the name of Ash,
34:41who he was in regular contact with
34:43during that evening
34:44and was most likely another suspect.
34:46The information conducted
34:47around that telephone number,
34:50which attributed it to a gentleman
34:51by the name of Ashton Seymour
34:53from the Wanstead area in London.
34:56We then received notification
34:57from the laboratory
34:58that DNA evidence
34:59was present on the hold-all bag,
35:02which also identified Ashton Seymour.
35:06With Ashton's DNA
35:08on the same hold-all bag
35:09found at the property,
35:11he is arrested
35:11and brought in for interview.
35:14Did you make a decision
35:16with anybody to go to Cavendish
35:17on the 16th of April?
35:19No comment.
35:21If so, how did you get there?
35:23No comment.
35:23What were your intentions
35:24once you arrived?
35:25No comment.
35:26Tell me how you entered the property
35:27if you did.
35:28No comment.
35:31Ashton elected to have a solicitor
35:32for his interview.
35:33I suspect at this point
35:35word had got out from Sammy
35:37that he'd been arrested
35:38and that he'd maybe dropped Ashton in it
35:39a little bit.
35:40He refused to answer
35:41any of our questions.
35:44Police have Ashton Seymour's DNA
35:46on the hold-all,
35:47but with no positive ID,
35:49he's released on bail
35:50while detectives carry out
35:52further inquiries.
35:55Keen to find a third suspect,
35:56police returned to the mobile phone
35:59recovered from Sammy's locker.
36:01On analysing the call records
36:02at the time of the offence,
36:04identified two numbers
36:05to us of significance.
36:07One came back,
36:08saved in the phone book
36:09of Sammy's mobile phone device,
36:11TCOS,
36:12which didn't mean a great deal
36:13to us at that stage.
36:14The number for TCOS
36:16is unregistered,
36:18a so-called burner phone.
36:20There's this idea
36:21that burner phones
36:21are completely untraceable.
36:23Of course,
36:23they're not completely untraceable.
36:25These are usually
36:26pay-as-you-go phones,
36:28so you've only got to trace back
36:30where they charged it
36:32or where they bought the cards
36:34to top up their phone,
36:35and that might be on CCTV.
36:38Further digital investigations
36:39give DS Toms and the team
36:41their next break.
36:42We found out
36:44that there'd been a top-up
36:45at a petrol station
36:46in the Chingford area
36:47in London.
36:49So we did some inquiries
36:50at a petrol station,
36:51which unfortunately
36:52led to us recovering
36:53some CCTV,
36:55and that identified
36:56a white male stocky build
36:58topping up
36:58that mobile phone device.
37:12following an argument,
37:16a man has been viciously attacked
37:18in a supermarket in Cobham.
37:20Detectives have two suspects.
37:23But father and son,
37:24Alfred and Alfie Chambers,
37:25have already fled
37:26their home address.
37:29It's incredibly frustrating
37:30because you're back
37:31to square one.
37:33Ultimately,
37:34we've got to find these people.
37:35They're on the run.
37:36They commit serious violence.
37:37Have they got these weapons
37:38with them?
37:38Are they going to commit
37:39more serious violence?
37:40We don't know.
37:41The hunt is on.
37:43Police investigations
37:44show the pair
37:44using their bank cards
37:46in Devon.
37:47And we quickly established
37:48there was a first cousin
37:50living in the Devon area.
37:52We know from studying
37:54the behaviour of offenders
37:57time and time again
37:58is they will have gone
37:59to places
38:00that were meaningful to them.
38:03That's meaningful
38:03in terms of the people
38:04that provided them
38:05with the cover
38:06and the security
38:08that they need.
38:10Alfred and Alfie
38:11had family members
38:12down in Devon.
38:13That physical distance
38:14was quite a long distance
38:15but the psychological distance
38:17was actually very short
38:18because they were moving
38:19from a safe home environment
38:21to another safe family environment.
38:24DC Daniel Bell
38:25and his investigators
38:26start to apply pressure
38:27to the family
38:28and Alfred and Alfie's
38:30criminal contacts.
38:31So we start asking
38:32Devon and Cornwall
38:33where can we start
38:34making arrest attempts?
38:35People in that criminal fraternity
38:36do not want the old bill
38:37turning up.
38:38You're not going to want
38:39the police at your door
38:39knocking on your door
38:40because it's bad
38:41for your business.
38:42Over a period of 10 days
38:43police continue
38:45with arrest attempts
38:46at all of Alfie
38:47and Alfred's Devon contacts.
38:49By putting pressure
38:51on not only
38:52extended family
38:53but the criminal networks
38:55associated with
38:56these individuals
38:57what the police were doing
38:58they were creating
39:00kind of a pressure cooker
39:01environment
39:02where it must have been
39:03increasingly uncomfortable
39:05to be in.
39:08Almost two weeks
39:09after the attack
39:10Hello, it's Alfred and Alfie.
39:12Hiya.
39:13Do you mind if I speak
39:13to you over there?
39:14My colleague will speak
39:14to herself.
39:15Just go over there.
39:18Alfred and Alfie Chambers
39:19hand themselves in
39:20at Staines Police Station
39:22in Surrey.
39:23On Friday 27th of October
39:252023
39:26approximately 22
39:27it's 38 hours
39:27suspect yourself
39:28it's attended
39:29as safe as High Street
39:30common
39:31allegedly caused criminal
39:32damage to the victims
39:32of an in exceed
39:34of £5,000
39:35and value
39:35is also alleged
39:36that you hurt yourself
39:37if it was debatable
39:37back to cause
39:38victim GBH
39:39mental injuries
39:40therefore
39:41you are currently
39:42under arrest
39:42with a suspicion
39:43of GBH
39:44you don't have to
39:44anything
39:44but it may harm
39:45your friends
39:45if you do not
39:46mention
39:46your mind
39:46causing something
39:47to play a title
39:47or anything
39:48do so
39:48in the way
39:48now that the damage
39:49is prepared
39:49so I could cuff you
39:50to that
39:51I'll do it to that
39:52thank you
39:53I was over the moon
39:55when they handed
39:56themselves in
39:56because it meant
39:57the pressure we were
39:58applying
39:58the taxes we were
40:00using were working
40:00oh and just to say
40:02you're forever arrested
40:02for criminal damage
40:03less than £5,000
40:04and an offensive weapon
40:05in a public place
40:06so both Alfie and Alfred
40:07were interviewed
40:08that night
40:09and both of them
40:10were shown the CCTV
40:11they were shown
40:11all the evidence we had
40:12they were asked a number
40:13of questions about it
40:14and about the incident
40:15in general
40:16Alfred you are entitled
40:18to free and independent
40:19legal advice
40:19Mr Chambers will be
40:21exercising his right
40:22remain mute
40:22to all of your
40:23questions put in
40:24okay thank you
40:25Mr Chambers will be
40:27remaining mute
40:27to all of your
40:28questions put in
40:29okay thank you
40:30and both stayed silent
40:31throughout the interview
40:32and they didn't put
40:33anything to us
40:34to suggest that they
40:35had a defence
40:35for what they did
40:36with positive IDs
40:37and the CCTV footage
40:39the pair were charged
40:40with wounding with intent
40:42possession of an
40:42offensive weapon
40:43and Alfred was also
40:45charged with criminal
40:46damage
40:46before the trial
40:48they had something
40:49called a pre-trial
40:50preparation hearing
40:51for them to plea
40:52guilty or not guilty
40:53and they both pleaded
40:54guilty to all the charges
40:55the judge commented at the time
41:22that it was sheer luck
41:23that the injuries not been fatal
41:25or more severe
41:26both supermarket workers
41:28were given a police
41:29commendation for bravery
41:30if somebody has gone
41:33above and beyond
41:34what is ordinarily expected
41:35of a member of the public
41:36in their civic duty
41:37then I think they should
41:38be recognised for that
41:39I was feeling very proud
41:42in my family
41:43it showed ordinary people
41:46can step up
41:47in extraordinary situations
41:49now obviously quite horrific injuries
41:51much more than somebody
41:53would ever be expected
41:54to deal with
41:54it's an argument
41:58that's kicked off
41:59into escalating violence
42:00he was absolutely
42:02being aimed at
42:03in the head
42:03and the upper body
42:04and obviously a machete
42:05and a baseball bat
42:06quite vicious weapons
42:07to be aiming at
42:07those parts of the body
42:08they could have easily killed him
42:10detectives are closing in
42:28on a criminal gang
42:29that burgled
42:30a 77 year old woman
42:32in the middle of the night
42:33this must have been
42:34a truly horrific thing
42:36for anybody to experience
42:37let alone a lady
42:38in her late 70s
42:39they've charged one man
42:41and arrested another
42:42so at this point
42:44in the investigation
42:44we've got
42:45Samioca Umar
42:46in custody
42:47awaiting trial
42:47Ashton Seymour
42:49has been released on bail
42:50CCTV at a petrol station
42:53has led to the identification
42:55of the third member
42:56of the gang
42:57that gave us a good image
43:00of the person
43:00that we were dealing with
43:01we were able to identify
43:02at that stage
43:03that this male
43:04was a gentleman
43:04by the name of
43:05Anthony Cosgrove
43:06Anthony Cosgrove
43:08was also known
43:09as TCOS
43:10and was the crucial number
43:12saved in
43:12Sammy Okatuma's phone
43:13police call him in
43:16to the nearest station
43:17what do you do for work
43:23I come up
43:23are you currently employed
43:25yes I'm employed
43:26do you want to tell me
43:28what that is
43:28scaffolder
43:30were you working
43:31as a scaffolder
43:31in April this year
43:32to be honest with you
43:35I don't think anyone
43:36was working in April
43:37I think the country
43:39was locked down
43:40so you weren't working
43:41at that time
43:42no problem
43:42I think the words
43:44you used earlier
43:45were a despicable thing
43:46to happen to the lady
43:47yeah
43:47yeah
43:48if you know anything
43:50about it
43:50help us out
43:52because if you think
43:54it's that despicable
43:54then you want us
43:55to get the right people
43:56don't you
43:56people you're friends
43:58with have been
43:59involved in this
44:00there's no doubt
44:00about that
44:01no comment
44:02I don't know
44:02what people do
44:03at the wrong time
44:04you were in
44:06conversation with them
44:07weren't you
44:08you're phoning them up
44:09at two o'clock
44:10in the morning
44:10what were you speaking
44:11about
44:12where are you
44:12what are you doing
44:12he did make comments
44:15in his interview
44:15that he felt
44:16that it was a disgusting
44:17crime
44:17but he seemed to show
44:19absolutely no remorse
44:20or any inkling
44:21at his involvement
44:22at that stage
44:23still scratching around
44:24trying to understand
44:26what the motive was
44:27or why
44:28social media
44:31and background searches
44:32show some of the gang
44:33were involved
44:34in several business ventures
44:35they were registered
44:38with company's house
44:39with specific titles
44:40as numismatists
44:41which are coin specialists
44:43who deal in collectible coins
44:45and can value them
44:46and deal with them
44:47I suspect
44:48that actually
44:49what Samuel Kutuma
44:50was asking for
44:51when he asked for the queens
44:52may well have been coins
44:53we don't know
44:55whether or not
44:56they were acting
44:57on good information
44:57or whether they targeted
44:59the wrong person
45:00but there is an inkling
45:01that that might have
45:02actually been the motive
45:03they were hoping to obtain
45:04a commemorative coin
45:06or coins
45:06Sammy Okatuma
45:09and Ashton Seemal
45:10pleaded guilty
45:11to conspiracy to burgle
45:12but Anthony Cosgrove
45:15pleaded not guilty
45:16and was sent for trial
45:18so after a five day trial
45:20Anthony Cosgrove
45:21was found guilty
45:22by unanimous verdict
45:23he was guilty
45:24of conspiracy to burgle
45:34the judge
45:42the judge in summing up
45:43was quite rightly appalled
45:45in his closing speech
45:47about the callous nature
45:48of the crime
45:49the impact statement
45:51went a significant way
45:52to helping the judge
45:54to give the sentencing
45:55that he did
45:56sometimes it's difficult
45:58to get off to sleep
45:59I can feel safe
46:01in my own home again
46:02it was so frightening
46:04at the time
46:04I thought my time
46:05had come
46:06I really did
46:07if it hadn't been
46:08for my neighbour
46:09I hate to think
46:10what might have become
46:11of me
46:11it was a terribly
46:13frightening experience
46:14for anyone to deal with
46:15let alone someone
46:17of my age
46:17who lived alone
46:18hugely satisfying
46:20to bring these
46:21offenders to justice
46:23the lengths
46:26that they went to
46:27to commit this crime
46:28she said he had gloves on
46:31because he had them
46:32on her face
46:33the amount of trauma
46:34that they put
46:34those victims through
46:36it's unthinkable
46:41and to be able
46:44to bring justice
46:45is really satisfying
46:53to be able
46:53to be able
46:54to...
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