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Assumindo nosso tamanho e contando nossas histórias | Taking on our size and telling our stories
A proposta dessa conversa é compartilhar caminhos e estruturas que foram essenciais para as conquistas atuais de cada convidade. Falar sobre o que foi difícil e sobretudo o que segue sendo necessário [olhares, atitudes, mudanças] para que mais de nós consigamos assumir nossos tamanhos - imensos - e contar nossas novas histórias.
✅ Arturo Nuñes | CMO do Nubank
✅ Joana Mendes | Presidenta do Clube de Criação
✅ Monique Lemos | CEO da Topográficas
Mediada por Monique Evelle
Siga o AFROPUNK Bahia: https://www.instagram.com/afropunkbahia/ | https://twitter.com/afropunkbahia
*** Fique atente à programação completa do Festival nas nossas redes sociais!
RODAS DE CONVERSA NUBANK + AFROPUNK
AFROPUNK BAHIA vem honrar o legado dos que vieram antes e dos que aqui estão para ser o primeiro festival de celebração de trajetórias e protagonismos afroindígenas no Brasil.
Junto a NUBANK, vamos exaltar a memória, reinterpretar o passado e construir futuros a partir da partilha e da construção de muito AFETO, AUTONOMIA e PODER.
Celebramos a alegria de sermos “a última geração de primeiros”.
A proposta dessa conversa é compartilhar caminhos e estruturas que foram essenciais para as conquistas atuais de cada convidade. Falar sobre o que foi difícil e sobretudo o que segue sendo necessário [olhares, atitudes, mudanças] para que mais de nós consigamos assumir nossos tamanhos - imensos - e contar nossas novas histórias.
✅ Arturo Nuñes | CMO do Nubank
✅ Joana Mendes | Presidenta do Clube de Criação
✅ Monique Lemos | CEO da Topográficas
Mediada por Monique Evelle
Siga o AFROPUNK Bahia: https://www.instagram.com/afropunkbahia/ | https://twitter.com/afropunkbahia
*** Fique atente à programação completa do Festival nas nossas redes sociais!
RODAS DE CONVERSA NUBANK + AFROPUNK
AFROPUNK BAHIA vem honrar o legado dos que vieram antes e dos que aqui estão para ser o primeiro festival de celebração de trajetórias e protagonismos afroindígenas no Brasil.
Junto a NUBANK, vamos exaltar a memória, reinterpretar o passado e construir futuros a partir da partilha e da construção de muito AFETO, AUTONOMIA e PODER.
Celebramos a alegria de sermos “a última geração de primeiros”.
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00:00:00Because if the system doesn't make sense, we can change the system.
00:00:15That's right, my friends.
00:00:17The AfroPunk Bahia finally embarked in Salvador,
00:00:22despite the signs and evidence that we've been doing since 2020.
00:00:27But now, with everything that we've passed in the last year,
00:00:31it's so good to meet us in AfroPunk Bahia.
00:00:35And AfroPunk is coming to honor the legacy of the people who came before
00:00:39and also the ones who are here.
00:00:41Because it's important to build a future looking at the retrovisor of history.
00:00:47This is a honor legado.
00:00:49And we're talking about the honor legado being the first festival
00:00:52of celebration of trajectories and protagonisms afroindígenas in Brazil.
00:00:58And the part of the mass, even, is because AfroPunk Bahia is not so alone.
00:01:03So, with the Nubank, we're going to exalt these memories,
00:01:07create a place of affection, of autonomy, of power.
00:01:11And I invite you to do this collectively.
00:01:15Beleza?
00:01:16Because you can't do it so alone, my friends.
00:01:19So alone is horrible.
00:01:20There is no revolution, no celebration.
00:01:24You can't do it so alone.
00:01:25Beleza?
00:01:26So, AfroPunk Bahia, together with Nubank,
00:01:29in these talks, all of these things here,
00:01:30that we're going to live in these days.
00:01:33And there's also a festival, right?
00:01:34There's a lot of music.
00:01:36There's Mano Brown, Duquesa, Lued Luna, Tassia Reis.
00:01:40And there's a lot of people who are so excited to participate.
00:01:43And more nervous, even, because I'm going to mediate this panel.
00:01:46And I'm Monique Evelyn, right?
00:01:47I'm from Salvador.
00:01:49I'm from Nordeste, two times.
00:01:50Because I'm born in a neighborhood called Nordeste de Amaralina.
00:01:54And for us to start, we're going to talk a lot about this.
00:01:57We're going to bring a lot of people to this first panel, right?
00:02:01We're going to talk about protagonism of our new stories.
00:02:07We're going to talk about new stories, because we need to reinforce a galera that's coming.
00:02:10A galera that's coming up and can continue passing the bastion.
00:02:15But the guests here are talking about generations different.
00:02:19So, we have people who are young a lot of time and people who are young a lot of time.
00:02:24So, we're going to talk about our size, our grandeza, our abundance,
00:02:30telling our stories in the first person of the singular, in the first person of the plural.
00:02:35I'm talking about Arturo Nunes, for this first conversation, that is CMO, CMO do Nubank.
00:02:42CMO, my gente, is director general, director global of marketing do Nubank.
00:02:47I don't have any clothes for this moment.
00:02:49There's also a Joana Mendes, who is director of Criation, RGA,
00:02:53and also president of Chapa Preta, the Clube of Criation.
00:02:57And Monique Lemos, my chara, with this wonderful name,
00:02:59that also will participate here in our first conversation,
00:03:03that is a researcher and CEO of the company Topográficas.
00:03:08So, please come, my gente, for not to be here sozinha, talking sozinha.
00:03:13Entendeu?
00:03:14Oi, Monique.
00:03:15Já estou na tela.
00:03:16Você falou jovem por mais tempo.
00:03:19Adorei.
00:03:19Jovem por mais tempo.
00:03:21Adorei.
00:03:21Você é jovem por mais tempo.
00:03:22Adorei.
00:03:23Eu sou...
00:03:23Maravilhoso.
00:03:24Vai, entendeu?
00:03:26Maravilhoso.
00:03:26Adorei.
00:03:27É isso.
00:03:28E para a gente começar, é importante que as pessoas saibam quem são vocês.
00:03:33Então, quando eu falei de primeira pessoa, então, em primeira pessoa, se apresentem.
00:03:37Por favor, vamos começar aqui com o Arturo.
00:03:39Vamos lá.
00:03:39E é importante falar que cada um está em um lugar do mundo aqui, gente,
00:03:43porque a diáspora é assim.
00:03:44Neste exato momento eu estou em Nova York,
00:03:46Arthur está em Miami,
00:03:48Monique Lemos está em Moreré, na Bahia,
00:03:50Joana está em São Paulo,
00:03:51e é assim que funciona.
00:03:52Você está em algum lugar do mundo assistindo a gente.
00:03:55Então, Arturo, se apresentem.
00:03:56É isso.
00:03:57Beleza, beleza.
00:03:58Primeiro, eu peço desculpa ao meu português,
00:04:01revira-lata,
00:04:02mas dá para entender.
00:04:03Vou falar em inglês.
00:04:05Tudo bem.
00:04:06Eu sou Arturo Nunes.
00:04:07Eu sou o CMO do Nubank.
00:04:09Muito feliz de estar aqui.
00:04:10Muito feliz de estar aqui.
00:04:11Eu sempre esperava que eu terminaria na palestra,
00:04:14rapindo,
00:04:14mas não funcionava assim.
00:04:16Isso é tudo bem.
00:04:16Eu ainda estou aqui.
00:04:17E é isso que importa.
00:04:19Estou muito emocionado de estar aqui com essas pessoas bonitas
00:04:20e ter uma conversa muito importante.
00:04:22Obrigado pela convite.
00:04:24Eu sou o CMO do Nubank.
00:04:29Estou muito feliz de estar aqui com vocês.
00:04:31Imaginaria estar cantando no palco,
00:04:33mas não vai ser possível.
00:04:34Mas estou muito feliz aqui de estar com toda essa galera muito linda.
00:04:37Ai, maravilha.
00:04:38E você, Joana?
00:04:39Quem é Joana?
00:04:41Quem é Joana?
00:04:42Joana na fila do pão.
00:04:44Joana Mendes,
00:04:46como Monique me ensinou.
00:04:48Joana é atual presidente do clube de criação,
00:04:53que a gente vem ser o Graças à Chapa Preta.
00:04:55Sou rondoniense, sou LGBTQIA+.
00:04:58Sou também diretora de criação,
00:05:02numa agência de publicidade.
00:05:05E estou escrevendo um livro infantil,
00:05:06que vai sair ano que vem.
00:05:08Uma série também, deve sair em breve.
00:05:10Mas eu sou um monte de coisa e estou aqui com vocês
00:05:14para esse momento tão lindo de tanta gente que eu gosto.
00:05:18Então, é só isso tudo.
00:05:19E a gente vai conversando aí para descobrir um pouco mais.
00:05:23Ai, maravilha.
00:05:24Monique, por favor, você.
00:05:27Oi, gente.
00:05:28Obrigada pelo convite.
00:05:30Eu sou fundadora e CEO da Topográficas,
00:05:33uma consultoria de pesquisa, estratégia e criação
00:05:35para narrativas de novos futuros.
00:05:38É pesquisadora, antropóloga,
00:05:41estrategista e produtora por muitos anos.
00:05:44Absolutamente curiosa.
00:05:46E todo dia investindo num futuro melhor.
00:05:50E muito feliz de estar com todo mundo aqui.
00:05:52Muito prazer.
00:05:53Bora lá.
00:05:55Ai, vou me apresentar também.
00:05:56Eu já falei que eu sou de Salvador, né?
00:05:58Então, assim, eu trabalho aí com comunicação
00:06:00e tecnologia há um tempo.
00:06:02E hoje eu me dedico em dois lugares,
00:06:05dizemos assim, né?
00:06:06A Inventivos,
00:06:07que é uma plataforma de formação de novos empreendedores.
00:06:10E ao Nubank,
00:06:11que eu estou como consultora de inovação.
00:06:13Então, assim, juntar Afropunk e Nubank,
00:06:15eu nem sei minha reação direito.
00:06:18Porque como é que o maior festival de cultura negra do mundo
00:06:22se junta a uma instituição como o Nubank,
00:06:25que também tem a grandiosidade para impactar o mundo?
00:06:27Então, eu estou muito feliz estando nesses dois lugares incríveis.
00:06:33E, Monique, você trouxe um ponto, assim,
00:06:35de pensar futuros e tudo mais.
00:06:37Mas quem é Monique além do trabalho?
00:06:41Porque a gente precisa começar a entender
00:06:43que, assim, somos pretos e pretas,
00:06:46mas também gostamos de festa,
00:06:48gostamos de celebrar,
00:06:50temos nossas cores favoritas.
00:06:51Então, como é que você se apresentaria para além do trabalho?
00:06:56São tantas coisas.
00:06:58Acho que uma pessoa completamente complexa,
00:07:00muito apaixonada por viagem,
00:07:02apaixonada por gente,
00:07:04por etnografia,
00:07:05por carnaval,
00:07:06por funk.
00:07:07É, mas acho que tem um lugar,
00:07:10eu me apaixono de verdade pelas pessoas,
00:07:13eu me interesso muito pelo que as toca,
00:07:15pelo que as afeta,
00:07:17e acho que para além do trabalho,
00:07:20é o que mais me emociona,
00:07:21é o que eu mais busco,
00:07:22e eu acho que é o que mais me potencializa
00:07:24em quem eu sou,
00:07:25tanto no sentido pessoal,
00:07:26quanto no sentido profissional.
00:07:28Então, eu sou uma pessoa incorrigivelmente curiosa,
00:07:31e incorrigivelmente emocionada e apaixonada
00:07:34por gente e pelo mundo.
00:07:35É anotado,
00:07:37e que bom que a gente já se conhece,
00:07:39entendeu?
00:07:40Porque essa amizade tem que continuar,
00:07:41também gosto de tudo isso,
00:07:43tá bom?
00:07:44Arturo,
00:07:45além do crachá,
00:07:47o que Arturo,
00:07:48pessoa física,
00:07:50gosta,
00:07:51é,
00:07:52quer?
00:07:52Sim, isso é ótimo.
00:07:53Eu amo que você perguntou essa pergunta,
00:07:55e eu acho que é uma ótima pergunta,
00:07:58então, eu vou me introduzir de novo.
00:08:00Meu nome é Arturo Nunes,
00:08:01eu sou o filho de imigrantes cubanos e venezuelanos,
00:08:05proud of Earth Place,
00:08:07Harlem,
00:08:08New York,
00:08:09então,
00:08:09muito feliz de ser de New York City,
00:08:11e especificamente de Harlem,
00:08:12que, para mim,
00:08:13é um dos grandes cultural icons
00:08:15of Black culture
00:08:16in America,
00:08:17in the U.S.,
00:08:18so,
00:08:18muito feliz de ser de Harlem,
00:08:21e eu sou um lover de cultura,
00:08:23eu sou um lover de travel,
00:08:25eu tenho um pequeno hobbies,
00:08:27eu own um restaurante em Los Angeles,
00:08:29um Mexican restaurante,
00:08:30eu own um club aqui em Miami,
00:08:32um lounge,
00:08:33um listening room,
00:08:34we have 10,000 pieces of vinyl,
00:08:36because I'm obsessed with music,
00:08:39and we host people every night,
00:08:40and our place is packed,
00:08:41full of people who love great music,
00:08:44and so that's one of my real big passions in my life,
00:08:47is this pursuit of music,
00:08:48amongst many other things,
00:08:50but we have all that in comic music,
00:08:51and culture,
00:08:53and that's all.
00:08:54Essa foi uma pergunta muito interessante,
00:08:56eu gostei bastante,
00:08:58então vou me apresentar de novo,
00:08:59meu nome é Arturo Lunes,
00:09:01sou apaixonada por música,
00:09:03cultura,
00:09:04sou filho de pais venezuelanos e cubanos,
00:09:07então tem a música muito latente em mim,
00:09:11gosto muito de frequentar bares,
00:09:13e lugares que tem vinyl,
00:09:14e essa cultura também,
00:09:16eu sou muito apaixonada por isso.
00:09:19Joana, com você não seria diferente,
00:09:20eu também quero te ouvir,
00:09:21e o mundo também precisa te ouvir.
00:09:23Bom, eu acho interessante,
00:09:25como as histórias são meio conectadas,
00:09:27de alguma forma,
00:09:28eu amo gente também,
00:09:30amo ouvir gente,
00:09:30amo conversar com gente,
00:09:32amo muito,
00:09:33e gosto de todas as coisas que envolvem
00:09:37as expressões,
00:09:40então gosto muito de cantar,
00:09:42gosto muito de tocar violão,
00:09:45gosto muito de escrever,
00:09:47então como eu disse,
00:09:47eu estou escrevendo um livro infantil,
00:09:50e uma série,
00:09:52e gosto muito de aprender novas coisas,
00:09:57aprender novos idiomas,
00:09:58falo quatro línguas,
00:10:00e minha mãe fez doutorado na Venezuela,
00:10:02os pais do Arthur são venezuelanos,
00:10:04e minha mãe fez doutorado na Venezuela,
00:10:07e sua filha,
00:10:08dessa mãe,
00:10:09neta de uma entregada doméstica,
00:10:11e neta de sitiante,
00:10:12para o lado do meu pai,
00:10:13costuma dizer que a minha família
00:10:15é uma grande diáspora,
00:10:16que todo mundo é de um lugar diferente,
00:10:17assim como nós,
00:10:19estamos em lugares diferentes também,
00:10:20e em fusos diferentes,
00:10:22então,
00:10:24essa sou eu,
00:10:25basicamente,
00:10:26três gatos,
00:10:28e tentando aí,
00:10:30ser cada vez mais curiosa,
00:10:32e cada vez mais ouvindo as pessoas,
00:10:35ao meu redor.
00:10:36Maravilha,
00:10:37eu vou voltar para você,
00:10:38Arturo,
00:10:38porque eu fico pensando,
00:10:40principalmente,
00:10:42minha geração,
00:10:42assim,
00:10:43a gente quer chegar nesse lugar,
00:10:44e eu nunca sei o que é lá,
00:10:46o topo,
00:10:47ser o melhor,
00:10:48ser o maior,
00:10:49não sei o que é isso direito,
00:10:51até eu fico confusa,
00:10:52quando as pessoas me abordam,
00:10:53falo,
00:10:53nossa,
00:10:53você chegou lá,
00:10:54e eu falo,
00:10:55lá é onde?
00:10:57Depende,
00:10:58para cada pessoa,
00:11:00assim,
00:11:00mas olhar você,
00:11:02e eu já publiquei isso em vários lugares,
00:11:03eu te digo isso sempre,
00:11:05que eu sempre quis trabalhar com você,
00:11:06e agora a gente trabalha juntos,
00:11:10mas como,
00:11:10assim,
00:11:11questão de jornada,
00:11:12como é que a gente se prepara,
00:11:14inclusive mentalmente,
00:11:15pensando em pessoas pretas,
00:11:17para alcançar lugares,
00:11:19assim,
00:11:19de decisão e de poder?
00:11:21Eu amo,
00:11:22eu amo,
00:11:22eu amo,
00:11:23é puxado.
00:11:24Sim, eu amo,
00:11:24então,
00:11:25igual parte de algumas coisas,
00:11:27ter inspirações,
00:11:29ser capaz de ver
00:11:30algo maior do que você,
00:11:32algo maior do que eu,
00:11:33ser nascido e criado em Nova Iorque,
00:11:34em Harlem,
00:11:35para ver que algo maior do que meu bloco,
00:11:38realmente muda minha vida,
00:11:39para ver que pessoas que estão achando
00:11:41e accomplindo coisas.
00:11:42Eu acho,
00:11:43você sabe,
00:11:43em Nike,
00:11:44eles dizem que não tem a finish line,
00:11:45eles dizem que não tem a finish line,
00:11:48então,
00:11:48eu não sei o que lá é,
00:11:49eu não sei lá,
00:11:51eu não sei lá,
00:11:52eu vou dizer isso,
00:11:53eu assisti a Quincy Jones documentary,
00:11:56e foi interessante,
00:11:57sua filha perguntou,
00:11:58ele disse,
00:11:59Quincy,
00:12:00com todos esses acontecimentos,
00:12:01todos esses que você fez,
00:12:02como você fez,
00:12:06eu sempre me senti,
00:12:07eu não tenho feito nada,
00:12:07eu não tive feito nada,
00:12:08em muitas maneiras,
00:12:10eu me senti a mesma maneira,
00:12:11eu me senti,
00:12:11eu me senti,
00:12:12eu ainda não tenho começado,
00:12:12eu ainda tenho muito,
00:12:14eu ainda tenho muito do,
00:12:15eu não me senti,
00:12:16eu não me senti,
00:12:16eu não me senti,
00:12:17eu tenho acontecido,
00:12:17e eu sei que meu caminho
00:12:19tem uma interessante,
00:12:20uma diversão,
00:12:21eu tenho feito um,
00:12:22um,
00:12:22em muitas pessoas,
00:12:23mas eu tenho muito,
00:12:25further to go as a human being in developing myself to my true potential that I don't feel
00:12:31like you ever get there. I think getting there is a mistake. There is no there. I think happiness
00:12:37in life has to do with always having something else to look forward to. And so I had the privilege
00:12:43of meeting Quincy Jones, an 85-year-old Quincy Jones, who told me he still had 100 projects he's
00:12:50working on. He's a guy who spent 70 years defining music for our generation. 70 years, still
00:12:58got projects going on. It's incredible.
00:12:59I believe that, in summary, there is no line of reach. I think we're going to persevere
00:13:07this is a mistake. So, what motivates me to understand that I have many projects to do
00:13:14even in my life. I didn't get there yet. And I had the privilege of meeting Quincy Jones
00:13:21and asking him what he had, what was the secret of his projects. And he, with 70 years
00:13:28working on music, I can say that he still has hundreds of projects to make. So, this
00:13:34motivates me to understand that our journey is constant and we still have much to do and
00:13:40to achieve our goals. And it's good to bring this place, even because it's a
00:13:48obligation. Not, Joana. You, being president of the red chain of the
00:13:54creation club, histórico. Só que, in 2021, you know, it was like, how did it not happen in the
00:14:01history of the human being and the publicity brasilee? I want to hear you also in this place,
00:14:06please. It was histórico, it was histórico. And I think it was, like Arturo said, I think it's
00:14:14difficult to understand this place to get there, at the same time that I think we need to
00:14:18congratulate us for doing this in a country where the most part of the population is
00:14:24negra, but the most part of the population is also negra. So, I think we also need to celebrate
00:14:31our conquests, our getting there, and I think that people have different lives.
00:14:36I think that people have different places and get there is different for each one of us. It was a
00:14:42historical conquest. We gained relatively, with a relatively big advantage. I am the first
00:14:48woman negra, the first woman negra to be president of the creation club, which is one of the most important
00:14:54in the history of the publicity. So, to be the first is always difficult, always pesado, but someone needs to be,
00:15:02someone needs to be the pioneer of this story. So, I'm being I. But with a lot of people together,
00:15:10it's also a collective process. So, when we get there together, as you were saying, Monique, at the beginning,
00:15:16when we get there together, it's more delicious. When we get there together, it's more cool. So, it's
00:15:22historical, it's funny. I don't know if I could say the word, but it's a collective process.
00:15:32And so, it's like it would work the world, right? The word aprender and
00:15:36escutar are two verbs. Verbo means a song. So, you're also aging when you're
00:15:44learning and listening. It's not just saying and saying. So, one thing to remember, Monique,
00:15:50as you also was like, you came there and she was a CEO of Topográficas, you know?
00:15:55A curator of Afropunk, you definitely came there. How do you deal with the
00:16:01ex-experts externes and auto-cobranding?
00:16:04It's a session of therapy here, right?
00:16:07So, it's, it's very difficult. I think there's something that I always say just for people
00:16:13next. And I think it's important to frisar here too, I never imagined dona of a company,
00:16:18and it's very difficult to get rid of this place, and I think the most essential thing
00:16:26for me to get here, I don't know where it is, but to get here,
00:16:29it's just to get rid of this movement, it's been to allow me to be where I am,
00:16:36and get where I need to be. Of course, this is the beautiful part of the story,
00:16:41the funny part was that I never had to be in the black spaces,
00:16:46as a strategist, as a pesquisadora, as a antropologist,
00:16:49even a produtora, which I was for many years,
00:16:52I simply didn't have it, I simply didn't have it for the company,
00:16:55until I had to have my own company, I had to build my own space,
00:16:59and I think that what has been essential now
00:17:02is to understand that I can be my own reference,
00:17:05and this is a very big learning process,
00:17:07it's a very difficult process to build this self-esteem,
00:17:11to build these spaces,
00:17:14and I think I support them,
00:17:17I know to have an authority,
00:17:18maybe,
00:17:19but to me to be able to think of who I am,
00:17:20do what I do,
00:17:21what I do,
00:17:22I think,
00:17:23defender that a topographic really needs to exist,
00:17:25that the research has been to other resources,
00:17:27can have other references,
00:17:28that the strategy
00:17:30is not just a thing,
00:17:32a black thing comes from me to design,
00:17:35because they built the design,
00:17:36or other strategies,
00:17:38I think the best I would be able to do it,
00:17:41I think that my reach there is going to be the way I can in this belief,
00:17:48allowing more people to be their own references,
00:17:51more people like us, more people pretas,
00:17:55allow themselves to build their own spaces.
00:17:59Who sees close and not sees corre,
00:18:02it's like a juventude says,
00:18:04who sees close is here in Afropunk dancing,
00:18:07and forgets of corre.
00:18:09So I'm thinking,
00:18:11what were your corre to get here today,
00:18:14talking with us in Afropunk?
00:18:17Of course, not to open your life,
00:18:19but just for people to understand the dimension
00:18:22and the importance of recognizing
00:18:24and processes different.
00:18:26Yes.
00:18:27I come from a place where I am privileged,
00:18:30as a preta,
00:18:32I have a lot of conversations,
00:18:34I have a lot of friends,
00:18:36I have a lot of friends,
00:18:37I have a lot of people,
00:18:38some people,
00:18:39you know,
00:18:40I have a lot of people in the world.
00:18:42I had an auto-exigência, a autocrítica to very violent levels, and I think that my biggest difficulty was to overcome this violence.
00:18:52Sair of this place to be violent, to build spaces.
00:18:56So, as a produtora, I was a produtora very young, in cinema, publicity, and things like that.
00:19:01I didn't have references, I never had made it, I went crazy, I went to learn.
00:19:06And, querendo ou não, a production is a space of service, right?
00:19:12And then when you're a young preta, in a position of service,
00:19:16in a little bit of an elitist and small, which is the cinema,
00:19:22it was a set of violence.
00:19:24And then I was learning all of a series, I was assuming, accepting,
00:19:30thinking that it was a rule to absorb various violence in the work market.
00:19:35And I think that the most difficult thing is to understand that it doesn't need to be like that,
00:19:41and try to get rid of it, right?
00:19:43Because it's not a structure offered to people like us,
00:19:46for corpos negros, you have spaces that leave you of oppression and violence.
00:19:51So, I think that my biggest corre was to be able to build a structure outside of it.
00:19:56It's been, it's still a corre.
00:19:58In total, I imagine, right?
00:20:00My process here of auto-esteem,
00:20:02sometimes, it's up to the other day,
00:20:05it's up to the other day, it's up to the 100,
00:20:06it's up to the 200.
00:20:07I said, where did it stop?
00:20:09I was going so well.
00:20:11Where is the auto-esteem?
00:20:12Back here.
00:20:13And I want to talk about this with Arturo,
00:20:15also, thinking about the blackness.
00:20:18The blackness of men.
00:20:19We have several discussions,
00:20:21Brazil and the United States,
00:20:22around the world,
00:20:23about this blackness of men.
00:20:24Yeah.
00:20:25That's a wonderful question.
00:20:26Thank you for that question.
00:20:27You know, the systems that we live under,
00:20:29in the Western world,
00:20:30were not designed for us.
00:20:31They were not designed for us to succeed.
00:20:33Right?
00:20:34So, you have a world that's telling you,
00:20:35that no matter what you do,
00:20:36you're not good enough.
00:20:37You don't deserve.
00:20:38You don't belong.
00:20:40You don't have a place here.
00:20:41And so you're fighting that every single day.
00:20:58belong. You don't have a place here. And so you're fighting that every single day.
00:21:04You know, I just read a study the other day. We're talking about post-COVID, people going
00:21:09back to the office. And a lot of Black people are saying, I don't want to go back to the office.
00:21:13You know why? That's where the racism is. It's hard to deal with the structure of racism in the
00:21:19Zoom call, right? The system oftentimes where the isms exist, racism, sexism, right? Exists
00:21:27in those interactions in between the work, not in the work. So sometimes, and obviously you could
00:21:33do some things that are pretty bad via Zoom too, right? But in general, not having the social
00:21:38interactions reduces the amount of racism that people feel in the workplace, the amount of sexism
00:21:44that people feel in the workplace. So some people are not looking forward to going back to the
00:21:48workplace because that's where the ism is. And being in the comfort of your own home, you don't
00:21:52have to deal with some of those things. But in a world where you're constantly being told
00:21:57you're not good enough or you're not enough and you don't belong, it is so important to
00:22:02have role models like the two of you are on this call right now, role models, people that
00:22:08people can look at and say, wow, that's what I want to do. That's what I want to be. That's
00:22:11how I want to show up in the world, right?
00:22:14We are our ancestors' wildest dreams. Never in their wildest dreams did they imagine us and what
00:22:21we're doing today. And we have to build an entire new generation of people just like us that in the
00:22:27face of being told, no, you don't belong, we say, yes, we do belong. We do belong. We're good.
00:22:33We know what we're doing. We're good at what we do. And we're going to be respected as professionals
00:22:38because we're just as educated and talented and experienced as the people that we're competing
00:22:43with. That's the new generation we have to build.
00:22:45Tratando-se de todo esse lance, né, de pós-Covid, de pessoas negras no mundo corporativo
00:22:52também, temos percebido o quanto as pessoas não têm mais vontade de voltar para o escritório
00:22:58justamente porque é onde todos os ismos estão. Então, racismo, sexismo, é difícil
00:23:03pela tela do Zoom. Então, a gente, de certa forma, se sente mais blindado, se sente mais
00:23:08protegido, mas a gente ainda precisa ter essa injeção de autoestima, de entender que nós
00:23:14somos bons o bastante, talentosos e capazes de poder estar ali e poder bater de frente
00:23:21com isso, né? Então, nós aqui, vocês duas que estão aqui também, somos modelos para
00:23:27pessoas que estão assistindo a gente aqui agora e somos o sonho mais maluco dos nossos
00:23:33ancestrais. Então, ninguém imaginaria que a gente poderia estar aqui hoje fazendo o que
00:23:38a gente está fazendo, né? Então, a nossa injeção vem de ver outros modelos também do que fazem
00:23:44o que a gente admira.
00:23:47Joana, quais são os seus mecanismos aí para blindar a auto-sabotagem? Você entrou numa
00:23:53disputa aí da publicidade super racista e ganhou com o seu time. Chapa preta. Estava lá na
00:24:00torcida compartilhando, mandando para todo mundo. Mas como é que blinda essa auto-sabotagem?
00:24:05Eu não acredito em síndrome do impostor. Eu acredito que esse é um mecanismo que a gente já passa tantas vezes, né?
00:24:18As pessoas já falam tanto que a gente é errado para o lugar que a gente está e que a gente, muitas vezes, é uma coisa que não vem nem de mim, na real, né? É uma coisa que é introjetada em mim quando a gente fala de pessoas diferentes.
00:24:30Então, claro que eu me auto-sabotagem em vários momentos, assim, mas são anos de terapia para tentar não acontecer ou entender por que que aconteceu. E a chapa ganhou porque, como eu disse, foi um coletivo, né? Essa força do coletivo que quando um está para baixo, o outro fala, não, mas você é muito boa.
00:24:54Então, para mim, também é esse lugar de ter sempre alguém falando, não, mas você é muito boa. Não, você vai conseguir.
00:25:01Então, para mim, a gente dá uma blindada nessa auto-sabotagem também, ouvindo gente que gosta da gente, né?
00:25:06Ouvindo gente que acha que a gente é boa. Ouvindo gente que fala, porra, vai lá que você vai conseguir.
00:25:13Então, essa foi uma das maneiras que eu usei para blindar isso com uma equipe incrível, assim, uma equipe preta, foda, que estava aí, está, né?
00:25:26Que a chapa agora é a diretoria, que estava, está aí junto para a gente não deixar a peteca cair.
00:25:32E se cair, tudo bem, entender que caiu e daqui a pouco a gente levou.
00:25:36É um aquilombamento. Esse afropunk já era bom sozinho com o Nubank e agora já era, entendeu, minha gente?
00:25:45Agora não tem jeito. Foguete não tem ré, entendeu?
00:25:48Então, agora é para cima, para frente, vamos todo mundo juntos.
00:25:52A parte boa é que ninguém está sozinho, entendeu?
00:25:54Essa é a melhor parte. Então, assim, encontre sua tribo, vem para o afropunk junto com o Nubank.
00:25:59Continue aqui na conversa, porque não acabou não, viu, minha gente?
00:26:02Então, Monique, compartilhe as estruturas que foram essenciais para você chegar até aqui.
00:26:10Por que eu estou falando de estrutura? A gente já sabe que uma estrutura da sociedade é perversa.
00:26:15Mas, com certeza, você encontrou pessoas, ferramentas aí no meio do caminho e conseguiu aproveitar isso.
00:26:21E, às vezes, quando aparece a oportunidade na nossa frente, essa autossabotagem, quando eu pergunto para a Joana,
00:26:27é mais forte a ponta de ignorar a possibilidade de continuar em movimento.
00:26:33Então, assim, compartilha isso. O que não te fez paralisar?
00:26:37Bom, primeiro de tudo, encontrar pessoas tipo você no caminho.
00:26:42Mas acho que uma coisa muito importante foi voltar para a minha história e entender...
00:26:50E aí vou expandir para a nossa história de pessoas pretas e entender que muito do que a gente recebe não é nomeado como afeto
00:26:56e é estruturalmente afeto.
00:26:59E entender que... e renomear essas coisas, sabe?
00:27:03Voltar ali atrás e falar, putz, aquilo ali não era cobrança, era afeto.
00:27:07E acho que retomar todas essas linguagens, sabe?
00:27:11Reescrever literalmente o passado, assim, falar, putz, aquilo que eu recebia da minha avó
00:27:15era muito um afago, eram lembretes muito importantes de como seguir
00:27:21desde, sei lá, não tomar chuva até vai viajar, vai estudar, sabe?
00:27:27Assim, que parece só jogado, mas é muito estrutural também.
00:27:31Então, fui recuperando essas coisas do caminho e isso foi muito estrutural e muito essencial para mim
00:27:36entender que eu não estava sozinha, que tinha gente comigo, aprender a ouvir também é muito importante, né?
00:27:44Eu falei, minha trajetória foi de uma certa violência mesmo no mercado de trabalho, foi muito difícil.
00:27:50Eu larguei a produção porque em algum momento realmente estava insustentável
00:27:56em uma questão de saúde mental e saúde mesmo, saúde física.
00:28:00E foi porque eu entendi que eu não precisava passar por aquilo, que eu não estava cabendo ali.
00:28:07E aí, começar a entender quais são as redes que me colocam nesse lugar,
00:28:11onde eu passo a caber para além de um currículo e sendo quem eu sou, literalmente.
00:28:16Então, a estrutura foi romper com essas camadas e criar estruturas financeiras, materiais,
00:28:22mentais, físicas, de ir estruturando isso pouco a pouco, de falar, tá, agora eu tenho uma estrutura,
00:28:29eu consigo sair daqui e, estrategicamente, fui montando o meu caminho para romper com esses lugares
00:28:34de opressão e de ser diminuída e de ser constantemente, como é que eu vou dizer,
00:28:46constantemente julgada, constantemente inferiorizada, né?
00:28:51E aí, a minha estrutura é toda hora me lembrar que eu posso, que eu sou capaz,
00:28:57que eu tenho muitos como eu muito capazes.
00:29:03É entender que a gente, não que a gente é parte de uma outra lógica,
00:29:07mas que a nossa lógica cabe tanto quanto essa e que a gente precisa, assim, disputar.
00:29:11Então, a gente precisa construir o nosso jogo também, né?
00:29:14E estabelecer ele.
00:29:16Então, toda vez que eu sinto uma dúvida quando eu estou fazendo algum trabalho
00:29:18ou quando eu vou vender alguma coisa, porque é difícil também, né?
00:29:22Essa parte dos negócios, a gente não foi introduzido, assim, não é tranquilo
00:29:25abrir uma planilha e ter muito dinheiro ali também.
00:29:28Eu sento e falo, legal, eu posso.
00:29:31Então, toda hora eu vou ali me reforçando e eu acho que essa abertura,
00:29:36essa permissão, esse lugar cuidadoso comigo de entender quais portas eu estou preparada
00:29:44para entrar ou para fechar ou para abrir, tem sido estruturas muito potentes.
00:29:52E é possível, Monique, protagonizar nossas novas histórias apenas no lugar da dor e do sofrimento?
00:30:00Não.
00:30:01Não.
00:30:02Não, e a gente aqui trabalha muito para que não seja.
00:30:07Acho que esse lugar de recuperar tudo o que era afeto e tudo o que era...
00:30:12De renomear essas coisas todas que eu aprendi, né?
00:30:14De outras formas ou como lugares menores e de violência,
00:30:21recuperar isso já é contar uma nova história para mim, né?
00:30:25Qual é a história que eu quero contar sobre mim e para mim?
00:30:29Como esse lugar é muito potente, né?
00:30:31Como é que eu transformo isso em sofrimento?
00:30:34Como é que eu vou dizer que a vida inteira minha mãe trançando minha cabeça não era afeto?
00:30:39Por que a gente não aprende que isso é afeto?
00:30:41Não é só uma trancinha bonitinha, exótica.
00:30:44É absoluto afeto, é cuidar da cabeça.
00:30:47Então, ir parando e recuperando todos esses lugares e todas essas camadas de...
00:30:54Eu estou falando de afeto, mas de poder, de instrução, de aprendizado, de um zilhão de coisas, autonomia mesmo.
00:31:03Minha avó era muito para frente, por exemplo.
00:31:05Ela falava, cara, não vai namorar não, vai estudar, vai se formar, vai ser sozinha no mundo, vai viajar.
00:31:11Então, a gente precisa acessar essas outras histórias, precisa se apropriar delas e precisa começar a escrever elas com mais certeza, se apropriando, se permitindo.
00:31:26E qual foi o momento, Arturo, da sua virada de chave para escrever a sua própria história?
00:31:31Tinha quantos anos?
00:31:32Teve alguma situação assim que foi...
00:31:35É isso, gente?
00:31:36É isso que eu quero fazer do mundo?
00:31:37Fazer para e com o mundo?
00:31:39É, minha primeira experiência, eu era 16 anos.
00:31:43Eu era 16 anos, um amigo me convidado para um meeting de uma organização chamada En-Roads.
00:31:50En-Roads took kids de minoria, comunidade, desinvanteed backgrounds,
00:31:55into opportunities em corporate america,
00:31:57como geram estagiários, internacionais em corporate america.
00:32:01E eu fui para esse meeting, e por primeira vez, eu vi um Afro-Latino man em uma empresa suit.
00:32:07Prime vez, eu vi um...
00:32:09Eu vi um dia e falei, eu não sei o que ele faz, mas o que é que é que eu quero fazer.
00:32:14É o que eu quero fazer.
00:32:15É o que eu quero fazer.
00:32:16Eu sabia que eu queria ser um business.
00:32:18Mas, eu mei, eu mei a decisão.
00:32:20Eu queria ser um business person.
00:32:21Porque o que ele era que ele era, era algo que eu não tinha visto antes.
00:32:25E ele era speaking com autoridade, com grande passion,
00:32:27e muito inteligente e inteligente e inteligente e inteligente,
00:32:29com muito poderoso, com muito poderoso.
00:32:32Eu disse, eu quero fazer isso.
00:32:34E que mudou minha vida.
00:32:35E at 16 anos, meu vida foi mudada.
00:32:37Eu mei, eu mei, eu mei, eu fui para fazer isso.
00:32:40important to be able to see success so you can be success. So you have something to model it after,
00:32:46right? You have to see it to be it. And so that very meeting changed my life. I joined the
00:32:53organization and the rest is history. 35 years later, working for some of the biggest companies
00:32:58in the world, all over the world. I'm blessed to be able to do the work that I do. But also,
00:33:04the thing about owning it, about owning your place in a situation, learning that failure is
00:33:10your friend, right? Everybody, when they first did something, sucked at it, no matter what it was.
00:33:17Kobe Bryant was a terrible basketball player the first time he touched the basketball,
00:33:21right? Robert Smith was a terrible businessman when he made his first business deal. And today,
00:33:25he's a black billionaire, right? Will Smith, when he told his first joke, was a terrible comedian,
00:33:32right? Failure is your friend, right? So you have to ingest these failures and not say that
00:33:38you're a failure. No, you failed at something. And only with time and effort can you get better
00:33:42at that thing, right? And we get better and better and better. So it starts with seeing something to be
00:33:48it. See it to be it. Then it's the belief in self. And then it's accepting and embracing failure
00:33:54as your friend. It nurtures your success.
00:33:57My first experience was when I was 16 years old, when a friend me invited to this meeting. It was a company
00:34:05that was contrating new clients and it was there that I saw the Afro-Latino in a social outfit,
00:34:13talking to people of the corporate world and that it inspired me. So, as I said, the first thing is to see
00:34:21a model for you to be able to believe that you are able to do it. And also believe it and accept
00:34:29that your success is your success. So, you can be wrong or fail in something at first
00:34:37instance, but it's the thing that will continue to motivate you to do it and to do it.
00:34:43So, I think that you are going to do it, I think that 16 is a number that you need to
00:34:47put on the lottery. Because it is not possible.
00:34:49I also, my first perspective and recognizing as a woman pret leader in the world,
00:34:57what is looking at the mirror, you always saw a black man. I always went to a black man.
00:35:01I saw, I had a black woman. I knew, and I was like this.
00:35:05with this also came to 16 years old.
00:35:08And very much in the school,
00:35:10not because I recognized
00:35:12a person and said,
00:35:13that's cool, I can be.
00:35:14No.
00:35:15It was negative.
00:35:17But in this specific case,
00:35:19in my specific case,
00:35:21the racism not paralyzed.
00:35:23It moved me to create
00:35:25my first organization,
00:35:27which was the social desabafo.
00:35:28And I continue to move until today.
00:35:30We know that in many situations
00:35:32it paralyzes more than movement.
00:35:34I can ask you, Joana.
00:35:36You could have left, yes,
00:35:38from the public and communication
00:35:40because it's perverso.
00:35:41What made you continue?
00:35:43It's perverso.
00:35:45I came two times,
00:35:46because it's perverso,
00:35:48because it's difficult,
00:35:49but I think maybe I had
00:35:50continued, in the first moment,
00:35:52with a shame.
00:35:54I didn't understand
00:35:56that it was a perverso
00:35:58for me.
00:35:59And I didn't understand
00:36:01that at the moment
00:36:03that I was a person
00:36:04that was a perverso
00:36:05that I couldn't move forward.
00:36:06That's why I couldn't move forward.
00:36:08So I thought
00:36:09that my brilliance
00:36:10should be moving forward.
00:36:12So,
00:36:13and how I saw
00:36:14those brown men
00:36:15who were
00:36:16who were
00:36:17in the same position
00:36:18that I was advancing,
00:36:19that I was not able
00:36:20to move forward.
00:36:21So I got to go.
00:36:23And I came back.
00:36:24And now,
00:36:27the last time I came back,
00:36:28I came back
00:36:29because I was doing
00:36:30Freelance
00:36:31and everything else.
00:36:32You can even know
00:36:33Monique Evelyn.
00:36:34And I came back
00:36:36to an opportunity
00:36:37to be a director of Criation.
00:36:40And then I became
00:36:41the second director
00:36:43of Criation of History
00:36:44and the first
00:36:46after 20 years.
00:36:47So,
00:36:49that's what made me
00:36:50go back.
00:36:51I think also
00:36:52with this view
00:36:53of opening doors
00:36:54and opening spaces
00:36:55for other people
00:36:56and for that people
00:36:57could see
00:36:58that I,
00:36:59being a woman
00:37:00rondonienne,
00:37:01LGBTQIA,
00:37:02black,
00:37:03could be there.
00:37:05Who knows,
00:37:06maybe they
00:37:07could be there.
00:37:08If they could be there,
00:37:09I could be there.
00:37:10That
00:37:11there could be
00:37:12this possibility.
00:37:13I think
00:37:15that
00:37:16these spaces,
00:37:17not all spaces
00:37:18are for us,
00:37:19really.
00:37:20We need to
00:37:21guard in some moments
00:37:22and understand
00:37:23that there are other spaces
00:37:24that are.
00:37:25And that's why I came
00:37:26and came back
00:37:27and I'm here
00:37:28with this apostasy,
00:37:29apostating
00:37:30that this space
00:37:32is a little less
00:37:33perverse,
00:37:34as you were saying.
00:37:35And fracass is relative,
00:37:36right,
00:37:37because there are so many
00:37:38pressures externas
00:37:40that I thought
00:37:41that if I
00:37:42didn't teach
00:38:09to choose
00:38:10I was going to be a Procuradora-Geral da República.
00:38:12I said, I'm a black woman, but I'm going to a little more difficulty.
00:38:15I'm going to another course.
00:38:17I went to the Bachelorette Interdisciplinar Humanidades
00:38:20in the Federal of Bahia.
00:38:22At the time, people said, you're very intelligent.
00:38:24If you go to this course, you're going to fail.
00:38:27Because the course was new.
00:38:29So, the new asses.
00:38:30The different asses.
00:38:32And people don't want to embark on the different.
00:38:34It's much better to continue engineering,
00:38:37medicine, than a new course.
00:38:40I'm going to be here.
00:38:41I'm very happy, too.
00:38:42It's all right here, for me.
00:38:44My perspective of the world.
00:38:46And that's it, Monique.
00:38:47You've also done social sciences.
00:38:49You're a anthropologist of consumption.
00:38:51And you have these noises of choice,
00:38:53what to do with your life,
00:38:55pensando in academia.
00:38:56How people who are listening to us
00:38:58can have confidence in them,
00:39:00to be able to follow
00:39:02without any external noise.
00:39:04Because, sometimes,
00:39:06we've heard
00:39:08advice,
00:39:09or critique,
00:39:10constructively,
00:39:12of a person who never built anything.
00:39:14How do you filter
00:39:16to not let this be a place
00:39:18of paralysis
00:39:19of your movement in the world?
00:39:21Because you're important.
00:39:22But how do you stop?
00:39:23I think there's something important
00:39:25that I learned in this way,
00:39:26that I just listen to who I admire.
00:39:29I just listen to who I admire.
00:39:30I just listen to who I admire.
00:39:31I just listen to who I admire.
00:39:32I just listen to who I admire.
00:39:34I just listen to who I admire.
00:39:36I just listen to who I admire.
00:39:37I know that they are,
00:39:38sometimes,
00:39:39more generous than me.
00:39:40They want me to grow.
00:39:42They want me to grow.
00:39:43They're looking for places
00:39:44that I don't want to look.
00:39:45I don't want to look.
00:39:46I don't want to look.
00:39:47So I absorb this aprendizado,
00:39:54this...
00:39:55this generosity of people
00:39:56for me.
00:39:57I guess they're not humiliating.
00:39:58We tend to have to diminish...
00:40:00A gente tend,
00:40:01not.
00:40:02We are just viciating
00:40:03in reducing and sabotaging.
00:40:06And then I find people
00:40:09that are generous with me.
00:40:11They remind me of my size.
00:40:13that tell this new story with me, but it's very difficult to be able to get into different places too.
00:40:21The anthropology is a very complex place, a very white place,
00:40:25the anthropology is a very white place, well, the anthropology is a very white place,
00:40:29so it's a dispute in academia, it's a dispute in anthropology, it's a dispute in the market,
00:40:35in the consumption, it's a constant non-lugar, it's a constant conquista of spaces,
00:40:42of narratives, of languages, I think that, in this, something very important to me was also
00:40:50to build a body, not to the debate very open, you know, for the debate I say the day-to-day
00:40:57even, how do I understand structurally who I am, what are my strategies and tactics,
00:41:04not only of struggle, but of dialogue, and how do I not let anyone
00:41:11take out of this trilho, so it's a little bit, it's understanding who I am in academia,
00:41:17who I can be, who I want to be, who I am in publicity, what I am doing, what I am doing, what I am doing,
00:41:23and what I am doing, and when I say to build a body, it's understanding that we access
00:41:29other languages and that they are equally, if not more, powerful.
00:41:33It's important to think about, you know, the way to us to make us and think about it,
00:41:37the intuition, all these ancestral stories, that we've now become,
00:41:44you know, restored, other philosophies,
00:41:46other ways of being and think and being and thinking in the world,
00:41:48All this can be a lot, and then I feel like there are sabers that only I know, and only my people know.
00:41:56So we, together, we are very powerful to build these new bodies, these new languages.
00:42:03So I think these are also very powerful structures.
00:42:08You told me this, I'm remembering here of a lot of things in my life.
00:42:12If you leave, I open my heart here.
00:42:15I remember a phrase that you said once, Arturo.
00:42:18Be you of a purpose.
00:42:22Be you of a purpose.
00:42:24Be you of a purpose.
00:42:25I wake up every day thinking about this.
00:42:27Every day I wake up, okay?
00:42:28I wake up and say, I'm going to be a purpose.
00:42:31I'm going to be a purpose.
00:42:32I'm going to be a purpose.
00:42:33You are here.
00:42:34What's the ritual?
00:42:35How did you get to this ritual?
00:42:36Yeah, I love it.
00:42:37I love it.
00:42:38Propositalmente.
00:42:39Thank you for remembering that.
00:42:41Thank you for remembering that.
00:42:42It's really amazing.
00:42:43I believe that everyone is here for a specific purpose.
00:42:46I believe that you can only be yourself because everyone else is taken.
00:42:50You can't be anybody else.
00:42:52And I think it's important to not let people put you in a box and define who you can be.
00:42:58And that's why I love when you started this.
00:42:59You said, who are you, you know, aside from the cashier, the carnet, the business card, who are you really as a human being, right?
00:43:09And people, the society will try to put you in a box.
00:43:13But think about this for a second.
00:43:15What if they had told Jamie Foxx that he was just a comedian?
00:43:18What if they had told Will Smith that he was just a rapper?
00:43:21What if they told Quincy Jones he was just a trumpet player?
00:43:25Then what would the world have been missing today, right?
00:43:28But those guys didn't accept any limitations.
00:43:31They weren't allowing anyone to put them in a box.
00:43:34And so today, even me as a business person, I have a lot of things that I'm passionate about.
00:43:39Oh, Arturo, you're just a marketing guy.
00:43:40I know marketing is something that I've done very effectively for a very long time for a lot of different companies.
00:43:46But you know what?
00:43:47Today, I own a restaurant.
00:43:49And I own a bar.
00:43:50And I own some apps.
00:43:51And I own a wine company.
00:43:52I do a bunch of things that I have no business doing according to society.
00:43:57Because it starts with my belief in me.
00:43:59And what I was put here to do.
00:44:01I believe that I'm put here to do something.
00:44:03All of those things have one thing in common.
00:44:05They have our culture in common.
00:44:07Black and Hispanic culture.
00:44:09And I was here to manifest that.
00:44:11To bring people together.
00:44:13To experience and enjoy our Black and Hispanic culture.
00:44:16To have pride in our Black and Hispanic culture.
00:44:19And that's why I'm here.
00:44:20So I can't be put in a box.
00:44:22It's not possible for me anymore.
00:44:23Just like those people will try to put you in a box.
00:44:27You have to resist that.
00:44:28Right?
00:44:29You have the potential to be anything that you want to be every day when you wake up.
00:44:33You get to write the next chapter of your book every single day.
00:44:36And if you don't like the last chapter, you can change it.
00:44:39You have that right.
00:44:41Every day is the day one.
00:44:45And there is something that is...
00:44:48How do we also propose ourselves to be the best of ourselves ourselves?
00:44:54Because there are days that are difficult.
00:44:56There are days that we don't even want to go out of bed.
00:44:58How do we want to be the best in something else?
00:45:00How do we do this?
00:45:01How do we do this?
00:45:02How do we do this?
00:45:03How do we do this?
00:45:04Because people become stressed...
00:45:05Because, of all the relationships we have...
00:45:07Of sexism...
00:45:08Of xenophobia...
00:45:09How do we do this...
00:45:11Do not interfere in what we want to create...
00:45:14In this kind of waking up to do...
00:45:16That day of waking up to do...
00:45:17That way, we do the best.
00:45:19This, the thing of waking up to do itself...
00:45:21That way, we everything we do.
00:45:23What's against it?
00:45:24listen my days are not perfect my days are not perfect some days I get up with no energy
00:45:32whatsoever no energy whatsoever I don't want to do anything I don't want to be anyone I don't
00:45:37some days I wake up I don't want to be a role model I don't want to be a leader I don't want
00:45:42to be the boss I don't want to lead people I don't want to do any of that stuff but you say
00:45:46to yourself you think to yourself about your potential and I think that you know the biggest
00:45:50the saddest thing that can happen to you in your life is not meeting your potential and so
00:45:57sometimes despite the lack of energy despite the setbacks despite the failures despite society
00:46:04telling you you're not good enough despite not being rewarded when you're watching other people
00:46:09you know how many times Monique I've sat in a room and I've said with a bunch of people right I sat in
00:46:15a room and I said you know I have an idea maybe we should make it blue and I was completely
00:46:20ignored and 15 minutes later I watched someone else in the same room say hey you know what what
00:46:27if it's blue and people go that's amazing that's genius incredible I love that and I and it makes
00:46:32you think you're going crazy you're like wait a minute I know I just said that I know I just said
00:46:38that 10 minutes ago how is this possible right so you deal with these setbacks you deal with these
00:46:44challenges you deal with these isms but you get up the next day because you believe in yourself
00:46:48and by the way you get up the next day because it's it's too important for generations to come
00:46:53it's too important for my kids who are watching me to see me succeed for me to stay in bed and said
00:47:00don't get me wrong every day is not great every day is not perfect but I keep getting up when I'm
00:47:05knocked down because it's too important to those people that come behind us to be able to see us
00:47:11succeed too important to let them down
00:47:13not even every day is perfect but it's important for me to build a path for people that come behind me
00:47:23especially for my kids who are watching me to be a success but also to understand our
00:47:32health and low-to-beachers is super important for me to be able to maintain a balance and be a success
00:47:38of the fact to understand that we are human and respect our limits.
00:47:42I have a my own my own, my own, Lucas Santana, that he says that constant before being consistent,
00:47:52consistent, antes de ser excelente, excelente, antes de ser referência,
00:48:00it's because our anxiety does that make us to be a reference.
00:48:04Like, no, I have to be a reference. Referência in what, gente? Calma, construa.
00:48:08It's a journey. As people who managed today, they started out of some way, even with
00:48:15tantas difficulties. I had, Monique contou, Arturo is telling, Joana too. And I want to hear this of you,
00:48:22Joana, every day, every day, every day, how do you start to play again?
00:48:26How do I start to play again? How do I start to play again? I believe that we, women,
00:48:32we should play more sport coletive, right? The basketball that I founded and played during this
00:48:37time. So, when we play a game with other people, a game coletive, a game that you lose, I think
00:48:49that then we learn to play. Then we see what is a game. Like, I gave the best of myself, but
00:48:59today it didn't work. Someone gave the best of myself. So, for me, it's still playing.
00:49:07So, for me, I think we're on playing again, because as you said earlier, the more we play, the better
00:49:13we keep in this game. The more we practice, the better we keep in this game. The more we keep in mind,
00:49:17I also believe in the place of a constant learning,
00:49:28like the music would say, a constant learning.
00:49:33We are learning the whole time.
00:49:36Because it's what makes us be who we are.
00:49:41So, every day 1 is important, but the 100 is also important.
00:49:47Even the day 1, the 200 is also important.
00:49:51And the day to say, I don't want to play.
00:49:54I don't want to play.
00:49:56I don't want to play this game.
00:49:58I don't want to play this game.
00:50:00I'm going to play the ball.
00:50:02I'm going to play something else.
00:50:04Because if Monique had continued, for example,
00:50:06I wouldn't be here.
00:50:08So, I think that, many times,
00:50:12to learn to play, it's okay.
00:50:15But if you think that this game is for you,
00:50:17it's okay, there are many games that are for us.
00:50:20No narrative is unique.
00:50:21No story is unique.
00:50:23And we can see a lot of examples
00:50:26that we have here, close to us,
00:50:28to see how they are playing these games.
00:50:31I want to add one thing.
00:50:33I want to add one thing.
00:50:34Kobe Bryant said something that really impacted me.
00:50:38He said to me in a conversation, he said,
00:50:40Arturo, the journey is the gift.
00:50:44The journey is the gift.
00:50:46And I said, what do you mean by that?
00:50:48He said, I don't play basketball for championship trophies,
00:50:51or to win the MVP, or to be the world champion,
00:50:55or to be the best.
00:50:57I get the privilege of playing basketball for my life.
00:51:00That's what I do for a living.
00:51:02The journey is the gift.
00:51:04I get every day, and I get to do this thing that I really love to do,
00:51:08which is play basketball.
00:51:09And I give kids this example.
00:51:11I say, listen, if I told you that I could magically transport you today
00:51:17to the top of Mount Everest for three minutes,
00:51:21just long enough for you to get the selfie,
00:51:23and then you'd be back where you are today.
00:51:26Would you do it?
00:51:28Oh, the journey is the gift.
00:51:31The amazing part about going to Mount Everest is the planning, the training,
00:51:35getting ready, the insecurity.
00:51:37Can I make it?
00:51:38The fear, the backpack, the carrying it, the cold, the climate, the levels.
00:51:43The levels.
00:51:44That's the journey.
00:51:45That's the gift.
00:51:46That's the gift.
00:51:47The top is two seconds.
00:51:48The top is two seconds.
00:51:49People get to the top.
00:51:50Two seconds.
00:51:51They take a picture.
00:51:52They come down.
00:51:53That's it.
00:51:54It's not the top.
00:51:55It's the journey.
00:51:56The getting there.
00:51:58That's the gift.
00:51:59If I told you, hey, you know what?
00:52:01Without doing any work whatsoever,
00:52:03you could be the greatest basketball player that ever lived
00:52:06and get a trophy today.
00:52:08That wouldn't be any fun.
00:52:10The journey is the gift.
00:52:13I had to work at this.
00:52:14I had to get better than other people.
00:52:15I had to compete.
00:52:16I had to lose.
00:52:17I had to get hurt.
00:52:18I had to recover.
00:52:19That's the gift.
00:52:21In life, the journey is the gift.
00:52:24We get to do this.
00:52:26We get to be human.
00:52:28We get to do this.
00:52:29We get to fail.
00:52:30We get to succeed.
00:52:31We get to try.
00:52:32We get to try different things.
00:52:33Monique, you change course how many times in your life?
00:52:36You get to try.
00:52:37That's it.
00:52:38That's the journey.
00:52:39That's the gift.
00:52:40It's not getting there.
00:52:41Back to your original comment.
00:52:43There is no there.
00:52:44There is no there.
00:52:46There's a journey.
00:52:47And you try to make that journey as beautiful as you can.
00:52:50And you try to make that journey usable for someone else to learn from.
00:52:55You try to help people along the path of your journey.
00:52:58That's what it's all about.
00:53:00How do you help people along their journey while you're going through yours?
00:53:04That's the gift.
00:53:08And then, after this production, we can end this talking.
00:53:11I don't have more what to say.
00:53:14I don't know what to say.
00:53:15I don't know what to say.
00:53:16I don't know what to say.
00:53:18I don't know what to say.
00:53:19I don't know what to say.
00:53:20I don't know what to say.
00:53:21I don't know what to say, but I remember you talking about it.
00:53:23That the journey.
00:53:24A friend, that I have a friend who works with Beyonce and Jay-Z.
00:53:28That's a thing for me, it's a bit strange.
00:53:30but she said that before, in all the preparation that Beyonce was doing for Coachella
00:53:38and at the time of the prayer, she said that we all have a chance to do what we really love.
00:53:47So everyone will go to the stage because the journey was incredible.
00:53:52So it was a hour of show, that is what Arturo says.
00:53:56It was beautiful, we love it, we adore it.
00:53:58But it was more than 100 days for that moment to happen.
00:54:02That moment was beautiful, ok, but it's a journey that matters too.
00:54:07And we are recognized by the journey.
00:54:08I'm here talking about my journey.
00:54:11Arturo pela journey, Joana pela journey, Monique Lemos pela journey.
00:54:15So understand this, also note this too, for not to forget.
00:54:18And I ask you, Joana, there was a moment, wow, in your career, in your life,
00:54:24that you say, I don't believe that this is happening.
00:54:29I'm a little, a little like Arturo was saying,
00:54:34that I'm going to do things and I'm going to do things and I'm going to do things and I'm going to do things and I'm going to do things.
00:54:38But I've had two moments, wow, in my career.
00:54:41And as a young, I always wanted to do things and I wanted to do things and do things and I wanted to do things.
00:54:49And for me, I always wanted to do things and I wanted to do as a young career as a young person.
00:54:55which is a competition in the public market.
00:54:58I really wanted to be young, but I worked in Rio,
00:55:01which is a slightly smaller market,
00:55:03and I was digital, so the youngs were normally
00:55:08what was print.
00:55:10So my opportunity to be young was very small,
00:55:14because I was working in digital, being a black woman,
00:55:18not being there.
00:55:19So my opportunity was very small.
00:55:21And then I came to the creation club,
00:55:25on the site of the Clube de Criação,
00:55:27that the festival of Cannes was launched.
00:55:29When I was 26 years old, I was with 35.
00:55:31Young Lions Creative Academy,
00:55:33which was not from Brazil,
00:55:37but not from the festival of Cannes.
00:55:39And then I said,
00:55:40well, I'm going to sign up.
00:55:42I made a video, I made a job that I had done,
00:55:44and I was approved.
00:55:46And then I was incredible.
00:55:48My God, I passed away, I passed away,
00:55:50I passed away.
00:55:51I went to my friend,
00:55:53my friends were the most close,
00:55:55but I worked with them at the time.
00:55:56I put them on the show,
00:55:57and I said, my God, what's happening here?
00:55:59And then I went to the festival,
00:56:00I met a lot of people,
00:56:02I learned a lot of things,
00:56:04I was a very,
00:56:05I was the first and the only time I was going to go to the festival.
00:56:10And it was incredible,
00:56:12and it changed my career.
00:56:14Then I went to the Lava,
00:56:15I went to the Lava,
00:56:16I had a lot of difficulties,
00:56:18but it changed.
00:56:19And now,
00:56:20the election that just happened,
00:56:22in which I became president,
00:56:24or presidenta,
00:56:25of the Criation Club,
00:56:27of São Paulo,
00:56:28which is the largest public institution in Brazil.
00:56:31So,
00:56:32these two moments were moments
00:56:34where I stopped.
00:56:36And when,
00:56:38ah, there's another one,
00:56:40getting the idea?
00:56:41I went,
00:56:42I went,
00:56:44I went,
00:56:45I went,
00:56:46I went,
00:56:47to the Mari Santos,
00:56:48the proposal,
00:56:50to the book
00:56:51on the Companhia das Letrinhas,
00:56:53and then I thought it was just to say,
00:56:55and they said,
00:56:56I was going to sign the contrap,
00:56:57and I said,
00:56:58car California,
00:56:59how do I do it?
00:57:00Then,
00:57:02I had these moments,
00:57:04like,
00:57:04and I went,
00:57:06and I went,
00:57:07and this journey
00:57:09That's nice.
00:57:13That's nice, Joana.
00:57:14I hear you, I remember
00:57:16a lot of things.
00:57:18I've had three moments, wow,
00:57:20in my life. One was when I had 16
00:57:23years and created a social social. I never
00:57:24imagined that I could bring me here.
00:57:26I said, you have 16, I don't know what I'm doing.
00:57:30They said that this was
00:57:30empreendedorism. I was going to try to understand
00:57:32what it was exactly. I understood.
00:57:35I started. I continued.
00:57:36The second was when I was
00:57:38to TV. I was
00:57:40eating a cake and Caco
00:57:42Baccellos appeared
00:57:43asking if I was going to work on TV.
00:57:47My first response was not, because
00:57:48I said that it was a Pegadinha, sendo Globo,
00:57:50I don't know, of dread,
00:57:52of preta, Caco Baccellos.
00:57:55Then we talked with calma,
00:57:56went to Profissão Repórter.
00:57:58Then the third moment was
00:58:00to Joanesburgo, even for Afropunk
00:58:02in Joanesburgo,
00:58:04in the year of 2019 to 2020,
00:58:06I said, I said, I don't know
00:58:08if it's this more that I want.
00:58:10I don't want to continue
00:58:11with the social social.
00:58:12I don't want to create that
00:58:13it's me giving so much
00:58:14to continue.
00:58:17It's not a TV, too,
00:58:18that I had given
00:58:19a dismissal.
00:58:20I said, I think I'm going to
00:58:22put a little bit more
00:58:24in other issues
00:58:25related to culture,
00:58:27share my knowledge
00:58:28until here,
00:58:29with focus on the
00:58:30business,
00:58:31PJ,
00:58:32empreendedorism.
00:58:32It's what I love
00:58:33I've chosen,
00:58:33I've decided to create
00:58:34and I thought,
00:58:36I'm going to create
00:58:37inventive.
00:58:38Then I created inventive
00:58:39so I想 to
00:58:40see how to live,
00:58:42when I create,
00:58:43and then went Binc
00:58:44to say,
00:58:45I'm going to make
00:58:46more and more.
00:58:46I said,
00:58:47how come?
00:58:48I'm going to make it?
00:58:49And more.
00:58:50I never imagined.
00:58:51I never imagined.
00:58:53And when I accept
00:58:54the invitation,
00:58:55considering
00:58:55being salvated,
00:58:56we have Afropunk
00:58:57here in the future,
00:58:57we have
00:58:59Afropunk
00:58:59in the future,
00:59:00but it's
00:59:00Brazil,
00:59:00And it's very significant to be in the Bahia.
00:59:03The Brazil started in Salvador.
00:59:06It will also start in Salvador.
00:59:08When I accept the challenge of the Nubank,
00:59:11it's thinking in Salvador too.
00:59:13Because there's a Nuleb,
00:59:15there's a investment fund for black people.
00:59:18So, like,
00:59:20to invent the Nubank with me
00:59:22and now the Afropunk coming,
00:59:24it's my moment.
00:59:26It's my moment.
00:59:28It's like,
00:59:29it's like,
00:59:30it's like,
00:59:32it's like,
00:59:33it's really true.
00:59:35It's a really relationship.
00:59:37And it's a horizontal relationship.
00:59:39And I'm thinking,
00:59:40Arturo inspires me,
00:59:42like Monique inspires me,
00:59:44like Joana inspires me.
00:59:46So, there's much this generation.
00:59:48There's a lot of people.
00:59:50You do.
00:59:52You do.
00:59:54You keep in movement too.
00:59:56I want to hear you in this place, Monique.
00:59:58Who inspires you to continue?
01:00:01There are so many people.
01:00:04In fact,
01:00:06I think
01:00:07there are more people
01:00:08that I admire,
01:00:09that are close to me.
01:00:10But,
01:00:11fortunately,
01:00:12there are many people.
01:00:13There are so many people.
01:00:14I think that we have Monique Evelyn.
01:00:18I can't make it so much.
01:00:19I can't believe.
01:00:20I can't believe it.
01:00:21I can't believe it.
01:00:22I can't believe it.
01:00:23I'm a fan too.
01:00:24I'm a fan of my mom.
01:00:25I'm very fan of my mom.
01:00:26I have a fan of my mom.
01:00:27Arturo is now more recent, after I discovered it, but my mother, my mother is a reference,
01:00:34she is the most motivated me to continue, she is a great curious and incorrigible,
01:00:42my mother was this person, but there are other people, not so close as well,
01:00:49that are references today for what I believe in this new story, I think that Iguia Edun
01:00:55is one of them, Jessica Justino, Mano Brown, there are a series of people, I could be
01:01:04hours talking, but I think that today, like, who I look at the eyes are those that many
01:01:12know who they are also, I don't need to be named, but they are people who
01:01:18are alimenting of transformation, who are alimenting of the new stories,
01:01:22that every day acordes with a purpose, like Arturo said, but also with the compromising
01:01:29of this transformation, of being every day, aterrado in decisions and
01:01:35these constructions that Arturo said about building a legado,
01:01:41a path that is open to other people, and I think that when I say reference,
01:01:47when I think reference, I like the idea of being a point of reference,
01:01:50I think it's very difficult when people say that they admire me, I feel, I don't
01:01:54know how to get this very quickly, I feel like, no, why?
01:01:57But, I think that part of this concept of
01:02:03is to be brought to the point of reference, and not in the sense of
01:02:08ego, but just in this way, of being a hub of information,
01:02:12of, putz, everything that I learned, I will tell you,
01:02:15I had a professor who said that the only person that
01:02:18taught you everything is friend, not professor, and he said,
01:02:21I'm here to be friends of you, and that's what I think
01:02:24and I think that's how I follow.
01:02:27Wow, it caught up.
01:02:29It's true, wow.
01:02:32It's true.
01:02:33And Arturo, you, because you are a master reference for a lot of people.
01:02:38For a lot of people.
01:02:39For a lot of people.
01:02:41But who inspires you?
01:02:43I'll be honest with you.
01:02:46I have had, I have been blessed, I'm going to repeat that again,
01:02:51blessed with so many moments where I had to pinch myself
01:02:56because I didn't believe that this could be happening to me.
01:02:59That at this point, I believe that my God, the universe,
01:03:05Osorishas, I don't know who it is, have got my back in such a crazy way
01:03:10that when it happens to me now, I go, of course this is happening.
01:03:14Of course this is happening to me right now.
01:03:19It's incredible, the blessing, the fortune.
01:03:22When people ask me, I think positive intention is important.
01:03:26I think the words you speak have power.
01:03:29The words you speak have power.
01:03:31The last six months or so, when people ask me how I'm doing,
01:03:36I say, so blessed and so favored that it's not really fair.
01:03:41That's how I'm doing.
01:03:43So blessed and so favored that it's not really fair.
01:03:47So I feel so grateful, so grateful to be in the positions that I've been in.
01:03:52And my inspiration is all people.
01:03:55I learned from everybody.
01:03:57I learned from everybody.
01:03:58Sometimes my Uber driver is my inspiration in the day.
01:04:02Said something that I go, holy shit, I hadn't thought about that.
01:04:05Right?
01:04:06Or something that you guys might say that I go, wow.
01:04:09Tonight I reflect on this conversation.
01:04:12And I'll be inspired by things that all of you said in this conversation.
01:04:16I think you can learn from anyone.
01:04:18And you can be inspired by anyone's story.
01:04:21So I've been blessed to have millions of teachers in my life.
01:04:25Thousands, hundreds and thousands of teachers in my life.
01:04:28Who've all taught me something different.
01:04:31In every phase of my life.
01:04:33In every situation that I find myself in.
01:04:35And so I feel very blessed and grateful for that as well.
01:04:39I learn from everyone.
01:04:42I have...
01:04:44I say that I'm grateful for being able to learn with people who've crossed my path.
01:04:51Especially today.
01:04:53I reflect on everything that you're talking about.
01:04:55I'm going to take something out of here.
01:04:57I like to learn with people.
01:05:01Sometimes even the motorist of Uber taught me something that I will be thinking about during the day.
01:05:08So I can learn and get references of people that cross my path along my journey.
01:05:17Joana, please.
01:05:19I also want to write this list.
01:05:20Who inspired you?
01:05:22Who inspired me?
01:05:23Who inspired me?
01:05:24Who inspired me are you too.
01:05:26I think Monique is an inspiration.
01:05:29Monique Evelyn, for me, is an inspiration.
01:05:31How to communicate.
01:05:32How to communicate.
01:05:33How to communicate.
01:05:34How to communicate.
01:05:35How to communicate.
01:05:36That I'm learning today.
01:05:37Here.
01:05:38He said that each person has a different inspiration.
01:05:41So...
01:05:42It's an inspiration.
01:05:43And Monique, we remember.
01:05:45Inspiration of how to communicate with people.
01:05:47This sentiment.
01:05:48This affection that they have.
01:05:50And also what inspires people that I work together.
01:05:55People from the Black Black people.
01:05:56People from the Black people.
01:05:57People from the Black people.
01:05:58People from the Black people.
01:05:59I'm worried in my pregnant woman.
01:06:01I feel really in my character.
01:06:02I'm confused and pale.
01:06:04I've living in my的stoleness.
01:06:05I feel so real.
01:06:06I feel so real.
01:06:07I feel so real.
01:06:08The精神.
01:06:09I feel so happy.
01:06:10That my mother.
01:06:11I feel so real.
01:06:12I feel so real
01:06:14for you on the way.
01:06:14because we don't consider it.
01:06:17We consider it more men men.
01:06:20So, she had to go out of the place
01:06:25and have been able to make a doctorate
01:06:28and have been able to be a reference
01:06:31that she is in the area of her.
01:06:33So, it was an inspiration for me
01:06:35to work, to work, to work,
01:06:37and to intelligence.
01:06:39My grandmother,
01:06:41she was homeless,
01:06:43and she was also extremely intelligent.
01:06:48Everything that she played
01:06:52became something very special.
01:06:54She also managed to make my mother
01:06:56be this person.
01:07:00And so, I and my sister,
01:07:02we could have professions
01:07:04that are professions
01:07:06that black women,
01:07:07so many times,
01:07:08don't occupy.
01:07:09So, as my inspirations
01:07:11are these.
01:07:12Cris Nalmol,
01:07:13Barbara Soalheiro
01:07:14and so many other women
01:07:16that I can't remember,
01:07:18that I can't remember
01:07:19that I can't remember
01:07:20in the day-to-day
01:07:21to make it better
01:07:22and to work
01:07:23and to look for others
01:07:25and make it
01:07:26to have a beautiful journey,
01:07:28to have a beautiful journey.
01:07:31Ai, gente,
01:07:32there are also many people
01:07:33who inspire me.
01:07:34I can't remember
01:07:36that many people
01:07:37who, until then,
01:07:40were just in a place
01:07:41of idolatry
01:07:43were there.
01:07:44I said,
01:07:45how does it play?
01:07:46How does it exist?
01:07:47Today,
01:07:48it's part of my cycle.
01:07:49I can't say that
01:07:50all the inspirations
01:07:51are very close.
01:07:52And this is crazy,
01:07:53too.
01:07:54Because sometimes,
01:07:55I feel like,
01:07:56what's happening?
01:07:57What's happening?
01:07:58What's happening?
01:07:59What's happening?
01:08:00What's happening?
01:08:01What's happening?
01:08:02It's all right.
01:08:03Monique,
01:08:04that person is your friend.
01:08:05It's all right.
01:08:06I'm happy
01:08:07to have these people.
01:08:09Monique,
01:08:10sometimes,
01:08:11it's hard to talk
01:08:12with people.
01:08:13What's happening?
01:08:14Because this is,
01:08:15your friend,
01:08:17you ask your friend,
01:08:18hey, how was your day?
01:08:19And your friend says,
01:08:20yeah, it's cool.
01:08:21I went to Burger King,
01:08:22I got a sandwich
01:08:23and I did some accounting
01:08:24and I came home
01:08:25and then I had dinner
01:08:26and I went to sleep.
01:08:27How about your day?
01:08:28And,
01:08:29I spent the day
01:08:30with Kobe Bryant
01:08:31and he was talking
01:08:32to me about greatness.
01:08:33A primeira vez
01:08:34que você compartilhou
01:08:35isso comigo,
01:08:36Arthur,
01:08:37eu falei,
01:08:38gente,
01:08:39quem é esse homem?
01:08:40Como assim?
01:08:41Kobe Bryant,
01:08:42sabe?
01:08:43Como?
01:08:44E aí,
01:08:45depois eu descobri
01:08:46que as pessoas
01:08:47fazem isso comigo.
01:08:48Monique,
01:08:49por favor.
01:08:50Some people go home
01:08:51and say,
01:08:52I spent the day
01:08:53with Kobe Bryant
01:08:54and he was talking
01:08:55to me about
01:08:56greatness.
01:08:57Some people go home
01:08:58and say,
01:08:59I spent the day
01:09:00with Monique Emily today.
01:09:01Não,
01:09:02mas LED é gente boa,
01:09:03gente.
01:09:04Tipo assim,
01:09:05normal.
01:09:06Só que muita gente ama,
01:09:07entendeu?
01:09:08Vai estar no Afropunk cantando.
01:09:09com a Emicida
01:09:10há alguns dias
01:09:11e eu falei
01:09:12à minha equipe
01:09:13casualmente
01:09:14numa conversa.
01:09:15Não,
01:09:16porque,
01:09:17sabe,
01:09:18eu assisti a Emicida
01:09:19ontem na noite
01:09:20e eles me disseram
01:09:21como,
01:09:22você falou com a Emicida?
01:09:23Eu falei,
01:09:24sim.
01:09:25É difícil,
01:09:26é difícil,
01:09:27eu vou tentar me acostumar.
01:09:28Isso tem a ver
01:09:29com o tema todo
01:09:30que a gente conversou aqui,
01:09:31da grandiosidade também.
01:09:32Isso.
01:09:33E a jornada,
01:09:34a jornada,
01:09:35a jornada,
01:09:36o que você consegue fazer,
01:09:37o que você consegue fazer,
01:09:38porque você decidiu ser quem você é,
01:09:39isso é o que você consegue fazer.
01:09:41Eu estava aqui
01:09:42dois meses atrás,
01:09:43em Miami,
01:09:44e o que eu tive que fazer
01:09:45para o dia,
01:09:46foi pegar a Anitta.
01:09:47Eu não sei,
01:09:48algumas pessoas vão ao Burger King,
01:09:49eu estava pegando a Anitta,
01:09:50eu não sei.
01:09:51É isso,
01:09:53assim,
01:09:54do tipo,
01:09:55a gente se reconhece,
01:09:57não é porque a gente tem medo
01:09:58de falar com a Emicida,
01:09:59com o Mano Brown,
01:10:00com o Ed,
01:10:01com o Beyoncé,
01:10:02fica assim,
01:10:03olha só o que você passou,
01:10:04fez,
01:10:05e se parece comigo.
01:10:08Entendeu?
01:10:09Ainda se parece comigo.
01:10:11Fez tudo isso,
01:10:12e ainda se parece comigo.
01:10:13Isso é um lugar potente,
01:10:15e esse lugar de paralisado,
01:10:16tipo,
01:10:17não sei o que fazer,
01:10:18falar,
01:10:19tem a ver com reconhecer
01:10:20esse protagonismo
01:10:21das nossas novas narrativas,
01:10:24nossas novas histórias,
01:10:26para a gente continuar enxergando
01:10:28potência e abundância
01:10:29nessas pessoas
01:10:30que a gente falou.
01:10:31E assim,
01:10:32estou muito feliz
01:10:33de ter mediado essa conversa.
01:10:35Se eu pudesse,
01:10:36e se a produção deixasse,
01:10:37eu ficava mais cinco horas.
01:10:38É porque tem mais toques, gente.
01:10:40Não é só esse aqui não.
01:10:41Tem mais.
01:10:42Esse aqui é um, dois.
01:10:43Então, vocês não podem perder
01:10:45as próximas conversas.
01:10:47Muito obrigada, Arturo.
01:10:49Muito obrigada, Joana.
01:10:51Muito obrigada, Monique.
01:10:53E muito obrigada você
01:10:54que ficou aqui com a gente.
01:10:56Lembrem-se,
01:10:57se acostumem a dar certo,
01:10:59e também sejam vocês
01:11:02de propósito.
01:11:04É isso.
01:11:05Adorei.
01:11:06Obrigado, Monique.
01:11:07Obrigado, Moniques.
01:11:10Joana, prazer.
01:11:11Conhecê-las.
01:11:12Valeu, minha gente.
01:11:13Valeu, gente.
01:11:15Tchau.
01:11:16O Nubank está construindo,
01:11:17comigo, com você e com Salvador,
01:11:19uma história de impacto, inovação
01:11:21e novas oportunidades.
01:11:22Essa história se chama Nulep.
01:11:25Um espaço para que talentos negros
01:11:27possam desenvolver as suas potências.
01:11:28E já tem caso, aqui, no Rio Vermelho.
01:11:34Salvador, licença,
01:11:35estamos chegando para construir isso juntos.
01:11:37Porque se o sistema não faz mais sentido,
01:11:39a gente muda o sistema.
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