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The stars of Bulletproof: South Africa talk expanding representation for UK actors with latest show
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00:00Does the energy feel different for you now?
00:02I mean, I know you've been acting, like, since a child.
00:05Does it feel like, you know, UK is getting the respect?
00:09Yeah, it does, it does.
00:11But we've never really...
00:13You know, obviously, because growing up, watching US shows,
00:15it's just...
00:16They've all been a huge inspiration to me, so...
00:19It's like having a big brother that you kind of...
00:21You slightly want to make proud, you know what I mean?
00:24Yeah.
00:25It's good to see that we're able to kind of export
00:28some of our stuff to you guys.
00:30And I guess as well, it's like, I feel like for a long time,
00:33the US didn't believe that we had, you know,
00:36we had a culture that was kind of like, you know,
00:40like Top Boy and stuff like that over here, you know,
00:43because what you guys were getting from us was
00:45you were getting the Bridgertons and the Crown and things like that.
00:52It's good that you guys can see the other side of life over here.
00:56When has my attitude ever gotten in the way of...
00:59Here we go.
01:02Light them up, light them up, light them up.
01:03Mind talk, music, let's all lose it.
01:06And we're doing it our way.
01:08Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
01:09What are you doing, man?
01:09Wait, wait!
01:11There you go.
01:14Light them up, light them up, light them up.
01:17Well, thank you so much to both of you for speaking with Essence.
01:23I am Brandy Victorious, Senior Entertainment Editor.
01:27And I was saying, you know, when we started,
01:29if I look crazy, it's because I'm tired
01:31because I was up watching your show.
01:33It's so good.
01:34I was hooked.
01:35Yeah, I felt like I'll get a little background
01:37and then I was just right into it.
01:39Thank you, Brandy.
01:41Yes, obviously I'm late because this is Season 3 already.
01:45So can you take us back to 2018 when the show got its start?
01:502018.
01:51Was it 2018?
01:52Yeah, I guess it came out.
01:54Yeah, I mean, you know, the origins were Ashley and I doing okay
01:59as well as we could do over here while staying here
02:03and not being guys that had ever sort of gone away
02:06and, you know, for intention, you know?
02:08We're like, what can we do here?
02:10And then coming together, creating this show,
02:13and then 2018, after, you know,
02:15we created it probably six, seven years before that,
02:18but it just took a while for people to kind of,
02:21for the world, for the industry to get to a place
02:23where they were like, you know what I'm saying, Brandy?
02:25They were like, two black cops?
02:29Two of you, but you're both black.
02:33But you're the same guy though, right?
02:35No, two different guys, but two?
02:37Right.
02:38So it took a while for them to kind of understand
02:40that two black men could be two different people
02:43and actually could coexist and love each other
02:46and not be like hating or beating or this, that, and the other.
02:50And so that was kind of the crux of the beginnings of it.
02:54And here we are with your late self.
02:57Yeah, I know.
02:59I know.
03:02Judge me as you need to.
03:03All right, I'm judging you.
03:05I'm quietly judging you.
03:06You should.
03:09Well, now this already answers my second question
03:12because, no, your character is hilarious,
03:15like just subtle quips, you know, on the show.
03:18And I was going to ask, are you like that in, you know,
03:20in real life?
03:21And actually you're a little more serious.
03:22Are you, you know, are these reflections
03:25of, you know, how you are in the real world?
03:29Yeah, pretty much.
03:31Yeah, I'll answer for him.
03:34It's definitely him.
03:36And the crazy thing about it is it started when we,
03:41when we were, when we were like devising the show,
03:44the whole point was to be the opposite to ourselves.
03:48Oh, okay.
03:49That's the crazy thing about it.
03:50So, you know, I was kind of at that point
03:52when we were putting the show together,
03:54it was like, you know, public opinion of us
03:56was that no one was the more serious one,
03:58the quiet guy, you know, family guy, this and that.
04:01And my, yeah, my, my persona was like the bad boy.
04:06You know, I had a pass for music.
04:08I'd been to prison, et cetera, et cetera.
04:10So it was like, do you know what I mean?
04:11It was all of that stuff.
04:12And we wanted to just change, change that.
04:15We knew inside who we were as people, obviously,
04:18but the public persona, the public, you know,
04:20opinion of us was completely different.
04:23But yeah, kind of starting, starting the show
04:26and starting to work together, working with Noah,
04:29I quickly realized that, yeah, I quickly realized,
04:33listen, Brandy, if I'm honest with you,
04:35it's hard for us to get any work done on set.
04:37Like, we're very professional guys.
04:39We're very, very professional guys,
04:41but we spend at least like 70%,
04:4470 to 80% of this shoot just laughing.
04:48Yeah, 100%.
04:49100%.
04:51No, you did a poll.
04:52You were asking your Twitter followers,
04:55you know, what was their favorite character?
04:57And they said, Bishop, why do you think that is?
05:00Well, yeah, I was quite surprised
05:02because I have quite a big Doctor Who following.
05:04You know, I'm in Doctor Who,
05:05and there's quite a big following there.
05:08And in the UK, particularly,
05:10my films were quite big
05:12and a lot of people like that character.
05:13So I've always perceived those two characters,
05:15like Sam and Mickey,
05:17as like where people would kind of go.
05:19Obviously, Bulletproof's more recent,
05:20but I think people,
05:22what I found was people really resonated with Bishop
05:24because I think he's intensely
05:28and incurably flawed.
05:32And I think a lot of TV characters
05:35are kind of,
05:37even with their flaws,
05:39they have a moral compass
05:40which always sets them on the right track.
05:42Whereas Bishop kind of just doesn't have that.
05:44He's like, you know,
05:46hey, I feel like I'm going to box this criminal.
05:48You know, and most people are sitting at home,
05:50be watching TV,
05:51be like, man, I wish they would box him.
05:52Bishop would be like, bam!
05:54You know what I mean?
05:55And then I think people are at home like,
05:57hey, that's why I wish he would have done that.
05:59And he did it.
06:00I feel like because he's that character
06:02where you're at home,
06:03like, man, I wish he could just do that.
06:04And he does it.
06:05People kind of relate to him
06:06in that regard.
06:08He's not a family guy like Pike.
06:10I think people love Pike as well.
06:12The amount of Black couples,
06:13especially Black people that go,
06:15yo, seeing Pike with his Black wife
06:18and his beautiful Black kids
06:20and they're all doing well
06:20and nobody's beating no one.
06:22They love that about Pike.
06:24And I think Bishop was always there
06:25to serve the kind of people
06:27that are just like,
06:28I guess kind of like me
06:29when I'm at home
06:30and I'm watching something,
06:31I'm like, just box him in his mouth.
06:32And they never do it.
06:34They never do it.
06:35And Bishop was just like, bam!
06:36Right.
06:37Throw him off the roof.
06:38I was like, that's when I jumped.
06:40I was like, what?
06:40Exactly, exactly.
06:43But you know, people at home
06:44were like, oh, these criminals.
06:45I wish you would just
06:46throw him off the roof.
06:47And Bishop was like, you know what?
06:48I'm going to throw you off the roof.
06:50And I think that's why people like him.
06:52Yeah.
06:54Can you talk, you know,
06:56just what you touched on
06:57with Pike and his wife.
06:59You know, can you talk about
07:00the casting a bit?
07:01Because that also stuck out to me.
07:04You know, not just a Black wife,
07:05but a dark-skinned Black wife.
07:07And even, you know, in South Africa,
07:09I mean, just seeing more Black people.
07:12Like, there's a lot of Black people
07:13on screen,
07:14which unfortunately
07:15we're not even used to.
07:16Can you talk kind of about, like,
07:17how involved you were in casting
07:19or, you know,
07:20who kind of was making those choices?
07:22That's credo.
07:22That's law.
07:23We put that down.
07:24Sorry, Ashley.
07:24Okay.
07:26No, no, no.
07:27You're saying exactly
07:27what I was going to say.
07:28Yeah, that was,
07:29I mean, that was all of us.
07:30You know, ego aside,
07:32that was like no said law for us.
07:35Had to be that way.
07:36We were sick of,
07:37a lot of kind of the energy
07:40that came from, you know,
07:41creating the show
07:42was about destroying
07:44the usual stereotypes
07:45of Black males,
07:47Black women,
07:47and Black relationships
07:48that we see on TV
07:50on a daily basis.
07:52It was about creating characters
07:53that our kids could be proud of.
07:56Do you know what I mean?
07:56Our families could look at us
07:58and be proud of,
07:59you know,
07:59and we've done that.
08:00And the whole, you know,
08:01the relationship
08:02with Vajana and Pike,
08:04that was one of our main laws
08:05on the show.
08:06You know,
08:06she had to be Black,
08:08beautiful, powerful, strong,
08:10you know,
08:11and serve a purpose in the show
08:12as much as possible
08:14for it to be true.
08:17And, yeah,
08:18I kind of,
08:19I sat in with,
08:20I mean,
08:20Nolan and I were both
08:21across the casting process,
08:23you know,
08:24as execs
08:25and when it came to that.
08:27But, yeah,
08:28I had to sit with loads
08:29of different beautiful Black women.
08:33You know,
08:34terrible, terrible casting days,
08:36it was.
08:38I mean,
08:39my own wife
08:40went up for the part as well,
08:42you know.
08:43Yeah, crazy.
08:44I mean,
08:44we ended up with Vajana
08:45in the beginning
08:46and now,
08:46obviously,
08:47we've got Vanessa now.
08:48who came on board.
08:49But even off camera,
08:51even like,
08:52you know,
08:52not with the cast,
08:53with crew,
08:54we've made a point
08:55of making our crew
08:58as diverse
08:58and as Black
08:59and as beautiful
09:00as the people
09:01that you see on the screen.
09:02and it's all been
09:05from the ground up.
09:06It's been about
09:07giving people
09:07opportunities
09:08that they wouldn't
09:09usually get.
09:10And the amazing thing
09:11about it
09:12is that it's not just
09:12an opportunity
09:13in that,
09:14you know,
09:14no disrespect,
09:15but in like,
09:16you know,
09:16a web series,
09:17do you know what I mean,
09:18on YouTube or something.
09:20This is like
09:20the number one show
09:21in the UK
09:22on Sky,
09:23do you know what I mean?
09:24and kind of
09:24are doing really well
09:25on the CW out there.
09:27You know the numbers
09:28were big.
09:29You know the numbers
09:29were big.
09:30Yeah, I just spoke to Al.
09:31So, yeah,
09:32numbers were good.
09:34And we're so proud of that.
09:36You know,
09:36a lot of people
09:36that we've worked with,
09:38that we've helped,
09:38we've brought into the show
09:39or whatever,
09:40have then gone on
09:40to have opportunities
09:41to do greater things.
09:43And the idea is that,
09:45you know,
09:45if you're not given
09:46that first step,
09:47that first rung
09:48on the ladder,
09:48how are you ever going
09:49to be able to do it?
09:51You know,
09:51and it's just a great thing
09:52that we were able
09:53to be part of their journeys
09:54and they were able
09:55to be part of us.
09:56Yeah.
09:57Integral to what we do.
09:58She's integral
09:59to what we do, Brandy.
10:00Like,
10:00like Ashley said,
10:01it's something that,
10:02you know,
10:03you know,
10:03the thing is now,
10:05it's beautiful
10:06because now
10:06it's getting difficult.
10:08I'm trying to crew up
10:09the next season.
10:10I'm looking for black people.
10:11I can't find them
10:11because of the stuff
10:14that we've done
10:14in the past,
10:15you know what I mean?
10:16Putting on all the people
10:17and because of what's happened
10:18in the last year
10:19and a half,
10:20you know what I mean?
10:21Now I'm like,
10:21let's crew up the thing.
10:22I'm like,
10:23yo,
10:23we need to,
10:24now I'm like,
10:25I can't find,
10:26we can't find people.
10:27So,
10:27but that's beautiful
10:28in its own way.
10:29It's because now
10:30people are working.
10:32Exactly.
10:33Exactly.
10:33Which I wanted to ask about,
10:35you know,
10:35people say this British invasion,
10:37you know,
10:37they call it,
10:39and I think even
10:40just across Europe,
10:41when I think about
10:41the success like Lupin
10:42has had
10:43in France,
10:45how do you,
10:46yeah,
10:46how do you feel
10:47in this moment?
10:48You know,
10:49you've been doing this
10:50for a while,
10:50but to just see,
10:51I guess,
10:52you know,
10:52the embrace
10:53of Black actors
10:55in Britain
10:56here in the US.
10:57I mean,
10:57I think it's,
10:58I think it's amazing.
10:59I feel like,
11:00I feel like Ashley and I,
11:02we're kind of lucky
11:03we're getting to benefit
11:04in the sort of,
11:05I don't want to say
11:06the end,
11:06the end,
11:07but you know,
11:08I'm not in my,
11:09we're not in our 20s anymore.
11:10Do you know what I mean?
11:11Like when I was in my 20s,
11:12winning certain things
11:14and doing certain things,
11:15the industry wasn't
11:16in a place
11:16where it knew
11:17what to do
11:18with someone like me.
11:19Yeah.
11:19Because not only
11:20was I Black,
11:20but I was also
11:21working class Black,
11:22so I wasn't like,
11:23hello darling,
11:24you know,
11:24that wasn't me either,
11:26so they couldn't
11:26really place me.
11:28Now,
11:29you know,
11:29there's a lot more
11:31opportunity
11:32for these young people.
11:33I think it's a,
11:34I think it's a great thing.
11:35Luckily,
11:35we're still in the game,
11:36so we get to,
11:37we get to kind of,
11:39get to kind of benefit of it.
11:40Although I can't play
11:41those 20 year old
11:42leading men anymore.
11:43You know what I mean?
11:44I can play the dad
11:44or something like that,
11:46you know,
11:46or the uncle.
11:47You can make it work.
11:50Brandy,
11:50come on girl,
11:51don't even.
11:53You're looking to get
11:54a new husband out here.
11:55Don't,
11:55come on girl,
11:55don't play with me.
11:58Do you know what I'm saying?
11:59Like we,
11:59we're still in the game,
12:01but I think it's amazing.
12:02I wouldn't call it so much
12:04as an embrace
12:05because I know
12:06sometimes Americans
12:06are not necessarily happy,
12:08but I think the talent
12:09that British actors bring
12:10is undeniable.
12:11Yeah.
12:12Yeah.
12:13How does it feel
12:14seeing like Daniel Kalua,
12:16for instance,
12:16just sweeping award season
12:18in the US right now?
12:19Brilliant.
12:20Like Noah just said,
12:21I mean,
12:22for us is
12:23any success,
12:25you know,
12:25out of,
12:25out of UK
12:27or whatever
12:27is a win for us all.
12:28at the end of the day,
12:30you know,
12:30it's,
12:30it's another door opened,
12:32it's another door pushed,
12:33a jar
12:34or whatever you want
12:35to call it.
12:35And yeah,
12:36we're really,
12:37we're really proud.
12:38I've known Daniel
12:38a long,
12:40long time,
12:40you know,
12:40from,
12:41from way,
12:42way back in the day
12:42when he was first
12:43starting out
12:44and to see him grow
12:45and to see him grow
12:45and be in the position
12:47he's in now
12:48is amazing.
12:49And it's just testament
12:50to the fact that
12:51whatever it is
12:52that happens over here,
12:54you know,
12:54with,
12:54with people like us,
12:56you know,
12:57it's something,
12:58something good is happening
12:59in the beginning
12:59and sometimes,
13:01you know,
13:01along your journey
13:02on the way,
13:03it's not always easy.
13:05But one thing
13:06you have to do
13:06is be,
13:07you know,
13:07the success
13:08and the,
13:08the hype
13:10and all of that stuff
13:11is great
13:11but the struggle
13:13is real.
13:14You know what I mean?
13:14It's really real.
13:16Definitely real for us
13:18because UK
13:19is still very reserved
13:21when it comes
13:21to having people
13:22like Nolan and I
13:23on the screen.
13:24So,
13:25so to,
13:26to,
13:26to be winning awards,
13:28to be out there
13:28being nominated,
13:29to be recognised,
13:30to be thought about,
13:32do you know what I mean?
13:32It's an amazing thing
13:34and long may continue.
13:36I believe as well,
13:37I believe as well,
13:38you guys might need
13:39to fact check this.
13:40I believe
13:40if Daniel wins this,
13:42he will be the first
13:43Black British male actor,
13:46I think.
13:47You're probably right.
13:49Yeah.
13:49I must be the queen as well
13:50but in terms of
13:51Black British male actor,
13:53I'm not sure
13:53there has been anyone yet.
13:55And going back
13:56to Bulletproof for a second,
13:57thinking about season three
13:58being in South Africa,
14:00did you really film
14:01in,
14:01in Cape Town
14:02and how did that
14:03come about
14:03choosing that location?
14:06Yeah,
14:06we really filmed
14:07in Cape Town.
14:08We were there for,
14:09I mean,
14:09whoo,
14:09we were there
14:10from January 3rd
14:12until March like 10th
14:13or something like that.
14:14So we,
14:15which is in essence
14:17of a TV
14:17because we only did
14:18a few episodes,
14:19that's quite a short shoot
14:20but we were there
14:21and how it came about
14:24was I think
14:24the idea of
14:26us wanting to do something
14:27that,
14:28you know,
14:29resonated with the characters
14:30so like
14:30somebody snatched,
14:33a kid snatched
14:34or whatever
14:35was the plan.
14:36We wanted to do that.
14:37We wanted to show
14:38that even when the guys
14:39were on vacation
14:40that their moral compass
14:42would not allow them
14:42to allow things to happen
14:43that they couldn't get in,
14:45that they wouldn't get involved in.
14:46So that was our idea
14:48and then it was about
14:48finding a location.
14:50Excuse me.
14:51South Africa
14:51was not my first choice
14:53for various reasons.
14:55The history of the country,
14:56the things I'd heard,
14:58the extreme poverty
14:59to extreme wealth.
15:01I'm like,
15:01I don't want to come
15:01to this place
15:02because I have a mouth
15:04and I'll mash up the place.
15:05I'll get shot
15:06or something like that
15:07so I don't want to go there.
15:08So that was my thing.
15:10But lo and behold,
15:12we looked at a few other places.
15:14We ended up going there
15:16because that ended up
15:16being the best place to shoot
15:17and I think it was a,
15:19it was a wonderful
15:20educational experience
15:21for me
15:22to be around
15:23everything I described
15:25and see how people coped
15:26and see how,
15:28you know,
15:28obviously Ashley and I
15:29donated where we could,
15:30but even to see how
15:31people that lived
15:33in the townships
15:34were still happy.
15:37Not necessarily
15:37with their situation,
15:38but it's like,
15:40you know,
15:41they were still grateful
15:41for what they did have.
15:43You know,
15:43it was a real,
15:44a real learning experience
15:45for me
15:46and education
15:48and,
15:48and the crew
15:50that we worked with,
15:51you know,
15:51a lot of the black crew
15:52that came on board
15:53were so inspired
15:54and so happy
15:55that we would
15:57make people happy.
15:58They were so happy
15:58to see two guys
15:59leading the show
16:00that were also
16:01exec producers
16:01and created the show
16:03and said things to us
16:04like it inspired them
16:05that they knew
16:06that it's possible
16:06and it can happen
16:07and even if their country
16:08is a bit behind,
16:09it's coming,
16:09it's coming.
16:10Yeah.
16:10And so,
16:11it ended up being
16:12a very beautiful thing
16:13going there.
16:14And I want to ask you
16:16about,
16:16there's a line,
16:18know that your character
16:19says,
16:19I think in episode two,
16:21when you're arrested
16:23and,
16:23you know,
16:24you say it kind of jokingly
16:25but it struck me
16:26because it's also real,
16:28you know,
16:28you should know by now
16:29even in change
16:30you can't stop our people.
16:32Can you both speak to,
16:33you know,
16:34what that means to you,
16:35you know,
16:36as black actors,
16:36as black men,
16:37just,
16:38you know,
16:38that idea.
16:39I mean,
16:40Ashley would tell you
16:40firstly,
16:41that line was not scripted.
16:42Okay.
16:43It wasn't scripted.
16:43I just say things.
16:45Like,
16:45he would tell you,
16:45I'm the type of actor,
16:46I just,
16:47I would just say things
16:47that pop into my head.
16:49So,
16:49but,
16:49but to your point,
16:51it was,
16:52it was said
16:53because that's how I feel
16:54a lot of the time,
16:55you know,
16:55as the character,
16:56as the person,
16:58it's like,
16:59we as a people
17:01have always been
17:01underestimated,
17:04held back,
17:05chained,
17:06whatever you want to call it
17:07and yet we thrive
17:08and we're still here.
17:09So,
17:10I will kind of,
17:11things like that.
17:13My mind is like a,
17:14my mind,
17:15my mind,
17:15my mind is like a
17:164th of July fireworks display.
17:18That's what my mind,
17:19if you could go inside my head,
17:20that's what my mind,
17:20is always popping off
17:22and so things like that
17:23occasionally pop into my head
17:24because they come from
17:26what I'm feeling,
17:28you know,
17:28so that's,
17:28that's why that came out.
17:29Okay.
17:30Ashley,
17:31what does that line mean to you?
17:32Everything not said.
17:35No,
17:36exactly that,
17:36exactly that.
17:37I think as well,
17:38it kind of,
17:38a lot of that,
17:40you find a lot of that
17:41sort of,
17:42those sort of lines
17:43scattered over
17:44the special
17:45because of where we were,
17:47the environment
17:48we were in,
17:49you know,
17:49I mean,
17:50listen,
17:50just don't get it twisted,
17:52there was a lot of moments
17:53where we felt
17:55the racism out there.
17:57Yeah.
17:57You know what I mean?
17:57We felt it,
17:58you know,
17:59firsthand
17:59and I suppose
18:03we're in a,
18:04we're in a brilliant position
18:05where we can,
18:08we can vocalize
18:09how we feel about it
18:10at the time
18:11and we don't have to take it.
18:13Do you know what I mean?
18:14Yeah.
18:14There's a lot of people,
18:15a lot of people over there
18:16that had to
18:17in order to support
18:18their families
18:19in order to do whatever.
18:20Yeah.
18:20And we made it our business,
18:22do you know what I mean?
18:23To let people know
18:23that we are not your average
18:25black guys
18:25that you're used to.
18:27I'm laughing because we did.
18:30I'm laughing because we did.
18:32We did.
18:35Oh my gosh.
18:36There was a,
18:37yeah,
18:37I'm laughing because we did.
18:38There was a thing on set
18:39pretty early on
18:40in like one of the first few days
18:42where someone just was not,
18:44was being dangerous
18:45and not listening to others
18:46and I just was like,
18:48we're not,
18:48we're not having this.
18:49Yeah.
18:50When I spoke up,
18:50you could see certain people like,
18:53and I literally was like,
18:55yo,
18:55I don't know who you think
18:56you're dealing with here,
18:57but like,
18:57we ain't your typical
18:58black guys here.
18:58I said,
18:59we're in charge
18:59and if anyone ain't coming
19:00to work tomorrow,
19:01it ain't going to be me.
19:02Right.
19:05You can see the black crew
19:07almost like,
19:08you know what I mean?
19:10You can see some of the other people
19:11were like,
19:13but it,
19:14it kind of put,
19:16it kind of laid the law down.
19:17Like,
19:17this is how we're rolling.
19:18You don't like,
19:19you don't need to work on this job.
19:20Like,
19:20this is how we're rolling.
19:21Do you know what I mean?
19:22We're not here to disrespect anyone.
19:23We're not here to be rude to anyone,
19:24but we're not going to tolerate anything.
19:26Right.
19:26Sexism,
19:27racism,
19:27nothing.
19:28You know what I mean?
19:28We're going to try and make this
19:29the best set possible.
19:30Yeah.
19:31So,
19:31you know,
19:32that had to happen.
19:33Obviously,
19:33there's some guy out there
19:34that will be annoyed about it,
19:35but that's,
19:35that's the way life is.
19:36Yeah.
19:37So when Ashley was saying that,
19:38that's why I was laughing
19:39because during the three month period,
19:41there were times
19:41where people spoke to us
19:42in a way that they would speak
19:43to locals,
19:44that they felt was okay
19:45to speak to locals.
19:46And obviously we weren't like,
19:48yes,
19:48sir.
19:49It was kind of like,
19:49right.
19:50Coming in.
19:51Excuse me.
19:52Who are you talking to?
19:53And then when they heard the voice,
19:54they were like,
19:54oh,
19:54I'm sorry.
19:55I'm sorry.
19:55I'm like,
19:55no,
19:56no,
19:56that doesn't change it
19:57because you thought.
19:58Well,
19:59last question,
20:00which I feel like
20:00I already know the answer,
20:02but you know,
20:02the show's already been approved
20:04for season four.
20:05Can you tell us anything
20:06about next season?
20:08No.
20:08I know.
20:10I knew it.
20:12That's your answer.
20:13No.
20:14Every time.
20:15Just watch it.
20:15Just watch it.
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