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On today’s episode, Editor in Chief Sarah Wheeler talks with Lead Analyst Logan Mohtashami about trends in inventory and housing demand and what the early numbers mean for the rest of the year.

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00:00Welcome, everyone. My guest today is lead analyst Logan Motoshami to talk about inventory and
00:15housing demand. As always, I want to thank our sponsor, Trust & Will, for making this episode
00:20possible. Logan, welcome back to the podcast. It is wonderful to be here. I'm in Houston,
00:26Texas, about to speak at an event in a few hours, so I'm dressed in the event's colors for today.
00:34Yes, very dapper today, as per usual. Okay, well, so what a weird week because we don't have jobs
00:41report again. Just when you got it back, now it's gone again. Yes, we're going to do a jobs week
00:46preview today, but because of the shutdown, things have been delayed. We do have some ADP and some
00:52private sector labor reports we can go off of, but kind of the big ones, job openings and
00:58the BLS Jobs Friday report are the things that really drive Fed policy. So we're going to have
01:06to wait for that, but we had a weekend tracker that kind of stunned me to a degree, and we're in
01:15February, so we're getting ready for spring. So I think the topic is, are we going to have some
01:21weeks this year that our tracker data has negative year-over-year inventory?
01:29That is so interesting. Okay, so what was it about the tracker data that stunned you?
01:35Well, we have a huge snowstorm, and our weekly data is very prone to be hit by either a holiday
01:43or some kind of weather-impacted event. However, you know, the weekly pending sales were still
01:53positive. I mean, I could say that, you know, it could have been more positive, but I was
01:57anticipating a decline in the weekly pending sales data. The purchase application data, I had expected
02:06a decline. By the time this podcast comes out, we're going to get the freshest data out there,
02:12but we only had a 0.4% decline week-to-week, up 18% year-over-year. So the spring demand is going
02:20well, and again, we're near 6%, even with a 10-year yield is, you know, close to 4.30 right now,
02:29the highs that we see last September, spreads got a little bit better, but the demand curve is
02:38good enough to where the growth rate of inventory has slowed, starting from when? When the housing
02:45market shifts, Sarah?
02:47Mid-June.
02:48Mid-June. And because that has slowed, the slope of this curve might not be strong enough for a few weeks
02:55right now that we might have negative year-over-year inventory. The last time this happened
03:02was actually in 2023, when mortgage rates did get to 5.99%, we had one real big sales print
03:11in February of 2023, got almost a half a million more home sales. And then, you know, back then I
03:17used to write, okay, that was the peak of sales for this year, the same thing in 2024. And then
03:22home sales started to slowly go down, but the growth rate of inventory just couldn't compete with
03:28the year-over-year comps. So we might be in that situation this year where the year-over-year
03:34comps last year were really strong, really good. Remember how happy it was for the inventory growth
03:38last year? I was like, this is great. But because we're dealing with harder comps, and if rates stay
03:45lower for longer, we might have some negative year-over-year prints on our weekly inventory data.
03:52So, you know, as someone who was right in the middle of that giant snowstorm, I can tell you
03:58that like it fully shut down streets here in the Dallas area for like four days. And some streets,
04:04my street wasn't fully open for seven days, six or seven days. And that snowstorm impacted two-thirds
04:12of the country, population, two-thirds of the country. So it's pretty crazy.
04:16I'm like, man, I really was anticipating. Now, inventory fell a little bit and new listings data
04:23fell a little bit. But, you know, on the seasonal data line, that looks somewhat normal. But still,
04:29I was a little bit surprised how well demand held up, which makes me think that demand might have been
04:36better if everything was sunny and there's no snow around the country. And eventually time, you know,
04:43snow goes away, we get back to normal. It all works itself out at the end. But the tracker for the
04:50month of January just kind of reaffirmed what we've always talked about since November of 2022,
04:57that when the forward-looking data gets better, you get about 12 weeks. And right now, you know,
05:03every week in the tracker has been positive. You know, the supply and demand equilibrium changes.
05:09So the growth rate of inventory doesn't have like what it did last year. Like last year,
05:14mortgage rates were still above 7%. And the housing market just doesn't operate well with 7% plus
05:20mortgage. But late 2022, early 2023, mid 2024, mid 2025, and now early. We've got four. Now we have
05:30four. It's above a Trinity trend here. The data just looks a little bit different. So inventory is still up
05:38year over year. But at 9.65%, we were running at 33%. So if it does occur that inventory is negative,
05:47put kind of more weight on the comps are really hard and rates are lower. Right? And it's still
05:53going to be a very healthy year in terms of inventory levels. We're nowhere near the unhealthy and
05:58savagely unhealthy levels that we saw in 2021, 2020, and early 2022. So all positive in the sense of
06:06creating a balanced buyer and seller marketplace across the country, but also mortgage rates are near 6%.
06:14And this is, this has worked for different times.
06:19You always talk about demand picking up when mortgage rates just get to 6% and of course, lower.
06:25Makes total sense. And then sometimes I ask you about what about those sideline buyers? So let me ask you this
06:30question. When you look at demand right now, what would tell you that like, it's more than the normal
06:36demand as far as like, maybe we're getting some of those missing buyers over the last couple of years
06:41when we're like a million down over the last couple of years? So sales aren't booming. They're just
06:48growing slightly from a very, very low base. If I saw existing home sales get above 4.71 million,
06:57then we're back to kind of what we saw in the last decade, like 4.71 to 5.3 million. That's very doable
07:07in the last decade. Of course, housing was a lot more affordable back then. And we have a lot more
07:15inventory back then. But all I'm seeing is a bounce from a very, very low base. Affordability got a little
07:23bit better on its own by just price growth, pulling down and wages rising. And now rates went lower. So
07:29for now, just look at it because when housing takes off, it looks like COVID. Remember COVID,
07:36we're like, oh, how's it going to be back in six to eight weeks? And people are like,
07:39oh wait, we're going into a depression. Nobody's going to buy. And then it was six to eight weeks was
07:44the sharpest recovery in housing demand in the history of America. And what we saw was like 27,
07:53and 33% year over year growth. And we were just flying through the numbers because it was a V-shaped
07:58recovery. Right now, all I see is kind of a little bit of growth from a very low base.
08:04If mortgage rates got below 5.75 and headed lower, I'd have a much different take about housing. I just
08:10can't get there with neutral policy being around three or three and a quarter. It's hard to get the
08:1710-year yield below 3.80. I mean, we're just sitting right here. It's like 4.28. We're at
08:23monthly highs in the 10-year yield right now. So as long as neutral policies here in the labor market
08:30isn't breaking, this is kind of the low level that we should kind of expect until something
08:35changes out there. But it is interesting to me that our tracker looks the same
08:41when we get rates near 6%. Demand curve looks a little bit better. The growth rate of inventory
08:49tends to slow down. But again, I want to get people into the realm of we used to have a time
08:55where we have rising sales, rising inventory, rising prices. That used to be the norm in previous
09:02decades. And because we're working off of such low base, we can have that again. And that's what
09:07we're seeing this year. Inventory is up year over year. New listings data is up year over year. This
09:12last week was down a little bit. Purchase application data is up week to week mostly and year over year
09:19every week, double digits. Rates are near 6%. So a healthier housing market. So if there are some
09:27weeks that inventory is negative year over year, just remember we have very, very hard con. We were up
09:3433% at one point last year. We have a lot of sellers that want to be buyers, but some of them
09:39didn't get what they wanted. So they just hold the house back much like they did 2022, right? And
09:472022, we saw new listings data decline. So people took their homes on the market and then when rates
09:52were better, just remember supply is a function of demand in housing. That seller 70 to 80% of the
09:58time is a buyer. So the hypothetical seller's buyer's market, just remember a seller is going
10:05to be a buyer. So that is, it's, it's not so clear cut when people say it's a seller's or buyer's
10:11market, because that seller's also needs a sell and he, then he or she then becomes a buyer right
10:17after that, or getting ready for the process to put an offer as well.
10:20So I had Mike Simonson on yesterday, your friend, Mike, our friend, Mike. And he talked about
10:28echoing some of these same things. And his takeaway was like, listen, it looks like a positive
10:33going into spring, but it's not like anybody thinks it's going to be blockbuster, right? Unless
10:38mortgage rates actually drop pretty, you know, into the fives in a way that like spurs that,
10:44but otherwise we're just looking at just trying to get back to normal.
10:47Trying to get back to normal, but I mean, just a little bit of growth. We've never had
10:51growth in home sales, existing home sales the last few years. We've had flows of data,
10:56right? When I talk about flows of data, rates get near 6%, demand picks up, then rates shoot up
11:02past 7%, demand slows down. We do this back and forth on here and that changes the data for us as well.
11:11But another interesting aspect of the tracker is our price cut percentage.
11:17For the first time in a while, it's now negative year over year. So even with inventory growth
11:25picking up, the price cut percentage went a little bit below last year's levels because demand is
11:30picking up. And this is the thing that I've always shown. There is a supply and demand equilibrium.
11:36Everyone always likes to talk about supply so much. We've literally had supply rise for years,
11:42right? But it's only when rates get near 6% that the demand picks up. We just kind of work off of
11:48that. So that's why the tracker to me is very, very prolific. It's very, very nitty gritty. It gets
11:54to, you know, all crooks and daddies, you know, if you're trying to like brush your teeth perfectly
11:59and it looks forward out here, right? You know, these pending contracts, 30 or 60 days going to
12:06existing. So you're already looking February, March and April kind of mindset. And so far,
12:11so good. And I think to me, the one key variable is rates didn't go above 70%, right? A lot of people
12:18thought, okay, that's going to cut rates at the end of the year in 2025. Rates are going to go back
12:22at 70% because it didn't happen this time because the labor market was much different this time. And
12:30we're entering a new area where we're going to get a new Fed chairman and all this stuff. But
12:35I'm not so convinced on the mortgage rates breaking so much lower than some people think.
12:44I'm a little bit more bullish on the economy going into this year. This is why we had 6.75 as the high
12:49end. This is why the 10-year yield can get to 440 or 460 if the labor data starts to improve
12:55out there. And then we work off and see how the housing market reacts to that. But for now,
13:03not bad. Because I was anticipating weekly pending sales down, purchase application with a week to
13:08week having more aggressive hit and everything and just staying down near 6. See, there's no
13:15volatility, right? We have all these crazy headlines and mortgage rates barely budged for like eight,
13:21nine days out here. And we're on monthly highs on the 10-year yield. And that's why I always say when
13:30the mortgage-backed security announcement came, I thought that was more of a defensive move than an
13:37offensive move. Because if the economy starts to pick up, you don't really can justify the 10-year
13:42yield below 4% or rates going much lower. Because we're fighting to get to neutral policy,
13:49not a commenter, right? Just a neutral policy.
13:53Speaking of policy, since the last time that you and I were on the podcast, you were on,
14:00was it ABC News, CBS? What was it?
14:02ABC, yes.
14:04ABC, sorry. So you're on ABC News, a national audience, and they wanted to talk all about Kevin
14:09Warsh and what you thought this Fed was going to do, which I thought was really interesting for that
14:14larger consumer audience. I think at this point, the Fed drama has, you know, gotten into the mainstream.
14:23You know, it is, I have a lot of thoughts on Kevin Warsh and a lot of thoughts on what might be
14:30happening here, maybe for another time. But it's not shocking to me that the 10-year yield didn't go
14:36much lower because of him. Kevin Warsh is talking about reducing the balance sheet
14:41and maybe getting short-term rates and they're doing some regulations. And I've always thought
14:48he had a weird take on QE and inequality and all that stuff. And he's always very hawkish when a
14:55Democrat is in the White House, but when Trump's in the White House, all of a sudden he changes his
15:00attitude. So it'll be interesting to see because it looks like to me they want to somehow change
15:06regulations and reduce the balance sheet and then maybe get short-term rates lower. Some people will
15:12say that might raise the 10-year yield up higher, might get mortgage rates up, but always remember
15:18what the trinity impact of our policy or theory was about Trump's White House. He needs a lower dollar,
15:26he needs lower oil prices, and he needs lower rates. But he's always talked about lower rates
15:34about the interest paid on the budget. And if they cut rates more, the dollar can get
15:41stay weaker or easily below 100. So there might be some other game plans here with Myron and Hassid and
15:50Warsh and the White House that might not relate to housing. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
15:55But for now, that mortgage-backed security rate, even though it's only 10 to 20 basis points
16:01difference, defensive mechanism, right? On days when yields go up, spreads get a little bit better.
16:07It limits the damage here and it keeps us near 6%. So for now, the month of January, the tracker
16:14looked good. Just continuing what we saw the second half of 2025 take the last few weeks, Christmas,
16:23New Year's, and first week of the week out of the equation. The next existing home sales report might
16:29be a little bit lower just because of that. Then we just take it off from there. So very happy. I
16:34could not have asked for a better start of the year with this, but I am surprised that demand held up
16:39considering so much of the country was in a snowstorm. Absolutely. Logan, thank you so much for being on.
16:46We will see you in a couple of days now, next week at the Housing Economic Summit here in Dallas.
16:53It's going to be amazing. Talk about timing. Talk about having all that talent into one event in
16:58one day and all these different takes. You know, Barry Habib's going to be all about
17:02silencing, Modetta Cushy, Dr. Laos from the NAR. We have a host of people. There's a lot of people
17:10speaking. So I think it's good because we've got enough data now. We always said by February,
17:16you get a good idea of what's going, but what gets you there, right? And I think the big difference
17:22now, the big difference since the second half of 2025 is rates are near 6%. It's so far. It's not
17:29shot above seven. Spreads are normal. Hug a mortgage spread. Take a selfie with it. It's all about the
17:34spreads. All positive. All positive. Logan, thank you so much. Talk again soon.
17:40Pleasure.
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