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On today’s episode, Editor in Chief Sarah Wheeler talks with Lead Analyst Logan Mohtashami about the spring housing market and why he’s excited to see stability as we go into this important home-buying season.

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00:00Welcome, everyone. My guest today is lead analyst Logan Motoshami to talk about the spring housing
00:11market and why he's so excited to see stability as we go into this very important home buying
00:16season. Before we get started, I want to thank our sponsor, Trust & Will, for making this episode
00:22possible. Welcome back to the podcast, Logan. You are geared up for cold weather, looks like.
00:28I am, with my fellow brothers and sisters across the country, gearing myself up because
00:34here in Southern California, it's slightly sunny, 71 degrees, but I hear it's going to be really
00:41cold. I saw a bunch of negatives in the Midwest, and I'm like, wait, I'm going to Boise next
00:48week. What is it going to be like? When I was there last year, it was like 4 and 11 degrees,
00:53and I swear, I look out the window, and I was like, there's White Walkers walking. This
00:58is not normal.
00:59No, so I'm in Colorado, and it's like, I mean, it's cold for them. It's like 9 degrees, but
01:05Dallas is bracing for the storm that's supposed to come. We're recording this on Friday, so
01:10who knows what happens there? Hope the grid holds up. Hope everything goes well in Texas.
01:15Well, and speaking of that, whenever you track weekly data, I always say like jobless claims
01:25data, whenever there's a hurricane, jobless claims tend to spike because people fall for
01:30unemployment benefits, and it takes like one or two weeks, and then that spike comes down.
01:34For weekly housing data, of course, we had a holiday week to start off, so you're missing
01:40one day, so that already takes the data, but then you have a storm, and everyone's getting
01:45ready for storm, you know, and these things do impact economic data that you do have to
01:50adjust to, right? And I think that's, you know, the context you have to bring with tracking
01:55weekly data is that you don't want to make too much about one week if there's other variables
02:01that are not normal. I thought we did a good job of, you know, talking about the pending
02:05home sales data because, you know, we outlined it months before and said, hey, listen, but
02:10that existing home sales report actually finished at yearly highs, so it was a very high bar to keep,
02:17and then, you know, you add the Christmas and New Year's and in the middle of the week, but here,
02:23holiday, you got a major storm across the country, so be a little bit mindful of the data for this
02:31month in that, and then if there's any rebound effect, be mindful of that as well, and that's,
02:38you know, we try to average that out to make it a little bit more smoothly going ahead.
02:43I also think you do a good job in the tracker of, like, you know, noting that, like, listen,
02:48here's this big drop or here's this big spike, but let's remember why, and you really walk people
02:54through that and go, I would give this, you know, a lot of merit or no, don't, you know,
03:00don't pay attention to this one week. It's not going to, it doesn't mean anything.
03:03Yeah, and I think that's, you know, one of the things we talked about going into 2026, you know,
03:09once everything's out of the Christmas and New Year's, things look fine. You know, purchase
03:16application data has actually had the best start in many years. Weekly pending home sales are positive
03:22year over year, but holiday week, you know, Monday was, so, you know, you just make some adjustments
03:27and you just go, go with the trend, but also remember the trend gets hit a few times. So the
03:32upside and downside, just make sure to put it in context. And we just roll with the housing data
03:38all year long. That's what we do here every weekend. We do. And okay, so Davos is over. We have all this
03:44as the dust settles, what actually changed there? What, what kind of housing policy changes did we
03:50actually see? You know, not, nothing too much. You know, there's a lot of talk, but you know what,
03:56I, I think some of the housing policies might need Congress to sign off on. And, um, whenever you're
04:05dealing with government shutdown stuff and, and that, you know, supposedly it's, it's not going to
04:11happen that, you know, sometimes things get incorporated into shutdowns that, uh, are kind of
04:16last second ideas, but in general, at least from what was said, uh, Trump wasn't too keen on the 401k,
04:25uh, usage. Uh, also there, you know, all there was, was the, a coded institutional, you know,
04:33make it harder for them to, to, uh, uh, buy homes again. Uh, they probably need some legal things from
04:41Congress to get, get something like that signed. Uh, mortgage backed securities was already, uh,
04:46kind of in play, but, uh, no real sense about what the capital gains story is. So a lot of ideas,
04:53but just remember it's the midterms, you know, and, uh, I think part of the things are a little
04:59bit more comfortable that rates are near 6%. Then, you know, if rates were seven and a half percent,
05:05you know, it's, it's a little bit of a different story, but now that demand's picking up just a
05:09little bit, it kind of alleviates the pressure to a degree. Um, and, you know, people, people laughed
05:15where president Trump talked about, well, you know, I can make housing really affordable by
05:19crushing home prices. And a lot of people say, well, you know, uh, we need to make housing less
05:26affordable to crush prices. So eventually in time, if anybody studied the history of home prices,
05:31whether rates were at 18%, 12%, 5%, nominal home price crashes are just really rare, uh, out there.
05:40And, uh, uh, and part of a lot of that is, you know, sellers can't, you know, if they're underwater,
05:46they can't sell their homes in the open market, you know, they have to go through a short sale.
05:49So there's all these things that, you know, my, my response to everything is probably not the most
05:54popular one just endure, right? The growth rate of pricing slowing down is good. Inventory rising is
06:00good. Housing affordability got better on its own. When rates fall a little bit, affordability
06:05improves in that sense. And that's how we've dealt it. But I think the problem is when you have
06:10three years of the lowest home sales ever, and in every survey, everybody's angry about something
06:15that people tend to like, try to push something again. I, you know, 50 year mortgage, that's
06:20obviously not hopping. You don't hear anything about portable mortgages or, you know, there's all
06:24these ideas that were thrown out and it's a, it's a midterms and stuff. So, uh, like we
06:30stress from the beginning, don't take anything seriously until you get something signed as a
06:35law. Then after that, you could go into the, uh, um, what, what can, or what can't happen.
06:41I tell you what, I always so appreciate the data that we have and the way that we approach
06:45this. So today in the daily mail, right? Like, um, which we can make fun of all the daily
06:50mail, but like lots of people get their, uh, news from social, from sites like the daily
06:56mail from social on those sites, whatever, or people sharing it. And their headline is
07:00Florida, Texas, and California lead America's housing crash as other sunbelt states start
07:06to crack as values plunge 7.6%. And that's from the Dallas, uh, their, uh, Dallas number
07:147.6% over a year. And I'm like, that doesn't seem like a crash for me. And I live in Dallas.
07:19What is your take on 7.6%? Doom porn sells. I know. If we, if we have not, I mean, I've
07:28dealt with this crew since 2012. We were like, you know, we're, we're, we always like to rehash,
07:32uh, everything, but when, when people try to take one bit of data line and try to make it
07:38into economics done right is just boring. It's just nobody. I mean, especially in this day
07:43and age, especially now with AI and everything. I mean, I'm trying to like make it as entertaining
07:47as possible, but like, I'm going to give you something there. There's a show Saks Realty.
07:53I mean, if you ever wanted to do a, an anti-American propaganda garbage website, Saks Realty is it.
08:00And that's one guy I just want to light up in front of everyone, but that guy had Harry Dent
08:05on and Harry Dent is just absolute garbage. But Harry Dent said there's going to be a 90% crash
08:10in stocks and there's an 80% crash in home prices. I mean, even if you're intoxicated with like
08:17crazy drugs, that's even a stretch, but you know, a hundred thousand views, you know,
08:23because it sells it's the, the, you're supposed to get the attention of the person by doing this.
08:29And then when you, when you look at it, but it's the world we live in, we've always said myself
08:34and a few others, we've, we've taken a crusade against, you know, this kind of anti-American stance
08:40about, you know, everybody's terrible. The whole economy is worse. And, and we all lay it back
08:45to one group of people. So it's always the anti-central bank people. It's always the skulls
08:50and bones of the new world order and all that stuff. And, and nothing is going to change.
08:55These people are, these people are elderly Gen Xers or baby boomers are all good to the grave,
09:00just bleep posting for the rest of their lives. So it is what it is. This is just a world we live
09:06in. All we can do is try to get the proper information out as, as much as possible and counteract
09:12the doom porn, but there it's just so much volume, so much attention and so much height,
09:19but we stick to the tracker and we go with it. And like last year was supposed to be the first
09:24and second biggest home price crash post world war. You never happened. Right. And they don't care
09:29because the more incorrect they are, the more attention they get. That's just the word, the world
09:33we live in. So what are you looking at for the tracker this week?
09:36So to me, I mean, for our economics summit in Dallas, Texas on February 10th,
09:43by the time that comes, we get a good idea of how the year is starting off with. And usually,
09:50you know, the new listings data, I'm really keeping an eye on new listings data and price
09:54cut percentages. Cause you know, if you ever had like a, a, a vertical impulse to housing,
10:00showing cracks, those data lines would actually kick out really early because by May and June,
10:05you get an idea of if there is anything called seller stress, seller induced stress out there,
10:11but I really just want to have new listings get above 80,000 and just hover around 80 to a hundred
10:18thousand. Like we used to in the old days, cause most sellers are home buyers. And I'm hoping now
10:23that, you know, affordability got a little bit better rates are a little bit lower demands up a
10:27little bit. So, you know, you get people more comfortable, but I think the stability of rates,
10:31you know, going out for the spring, it, we haven't had that in years. We have not had stability in
10:39rates going into years. So I am, I cannot wait to see how the data looks like if we just hang around
10:45in the low sixes and don't have these violent spikes up, up and out. And that part of me was
10:51when the mortgage backed security thing was, was announced, that was to me more of a defensive
10:56mechanism than an offensive mechanism. Cause the spreads were almost back to normal anyway,
11:00but it's to create a little bit more stability. If somebody had mentioned that to the white
11:06house, create a little bit more stability. And in that stability, the backdrop can be a little
11:12bit better, uh, uh, going into the spring and summer. And then you get a little bit more of
11:16a functioning housing market. So that's, that's what I'm looking for is always early on. You want
11:21to see the new listings data out there, uh, and, and, and anything, uh, it picks up. And by the time
11:26it's spring comes, cause what happened in 2022 was 2022 was the craziest housing year ever out of
11:31all the things I've ever seen in my life. There was almost three housing cycles within one calendar
11:36year. Uh, uh, and then you, you had, uh, home prices escalating out of control early on. That
11:41was very, that was the whole savagely unhealthy housing market was based on that principle that
11:46it was very, very bad 2022. Then rates started to go up, but we needed rates to go up higher than
11:52what we were normally accustomed to try to create some balance. And then home sales started to crash
11:57and then comes November 9th, right? November 9th. We're thinking, okay, now we're, we're, we're kind
12:03of think we can get down to 4 million. If the forward looking data gets better, which, uh, you
12:08know, it's showing, and then we get to 4 million, we should bounce. And now we're here in 2026
12:13and that 4 million level held, right? The supply and demand equilibrium changed and we're just doing
12:19this tug of war. So I'm just, I'm fascinated to see how the new listings and how buyers and sellers
12:24work with stability, right? And stability is the key. And I got, I I'm biased. They don't want a 50
12:30year mortgage, portable mortgage, any of this stuff. I just wanted the marketplace to just kind of let
12:35it, let it do its thing. Uh, but as of right now it's doing its thing and it's, it's so much healthier
12:41now than what we've had to deal with in the past. And that's why I'm excited about the spring. I want
12:46to keep an eye on that with a tracker going out. Uh, if any, which, what we don't want to see is
12:52new listings data, not grow like in 2023, we did not want to see the second, second half of 2022,
12:58where we saw new listings data basically go down to all time lows. And that sort of continued into
13:042020. That would not be a healthy thing. So I'm rooting for new listings data to get back to normal.
13:10So we had a good start of the year and that's something we'll go over with the tracker over the
13:14weekend. I love it. So guys look at the tracker. We made it so easy for you guys and come to the
13:19housing economic summit. You do not want to miss out on that thing. Yes. And always remember all
13:23these headlines about housing and everything. Just remember, wait until something is signed.
13:29Okay. It might not even be, uh, uh, enforceable until like next year out there, but, uh, uh,
13:36whatever it is, we're in a better spot in 2026 going into the spring because of the fed policy
13:43is less, uh, uh, uh, less strict, uh, spreads are getting better. Spreads have a little bit of a
13:49backup protection on it. Inventories of price growth is cooling down. All the things that made
13:55the housing market unhealthy in 2020, all of 2021 and early 20, those things are gone. Right. And
14:03with less volatility and rates positive for everyone, you see, see how excited I am. You know,
14:08you know, it's, it's, it's, this is the balance, right? The whole unhealthy housing market. We
14:13need higher rates. All these things came to this fruition, this backdrop, and this is what a normal
14:19housing market looks like without the drama in there. So we need, okay. I'm all for that. Logan,
14:24thank you so much for being on. And maybe by the next time we speak, we'll have a new fed chair.
14:28It could happen at any moment. Who knows? Who knows? Yes. All right. Thank you.
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