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Seth and Sean discuss if they'd give CJ Stroud and Will Anderson Jr. the deals that Dan Graziano is predicting they'll get from the Texans, and if they're buying that Joe Mixon will be back with the team in 2026.
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00:00So, I have not yet put up the poll about the question that we are about to ask the audience,
00:06which is, hey, would you give C.J. Stroud this contract that Dan Graziano said he would give to them?
00:12Not a record-breaking, just not a top-of-the-market deal,
00:16but one of these kind of mid-tier deals that guys like Jordan Love or others have gotten.
00:21Well, it's more than mid-Jordan Love got, right?
00:23Well, it's near the top tier in average annual value.
00:27Yeah.
00:28It's very much mid-tier when it comes to the guaranteed money.
00:32Yeah.
00:32Because the average annual value ceiling right now is Dak Prescott at $60 million a year.
00:37And for those who haven't seen the article, Dan Graziano of ESPN.com has not just Will Anderson and C.J. Stroud,
00:44but several other players who are up for contracts potentially this offseason
00:49and gives projections on what he thinks would be appropriate.
00:54So, four years, $224 million.
00:56That's $56 million a year.
00:57That's in the neighborhood.
00:58That's in that Burrow, Lawrence, Prescott neighborhood.
01:02$110 million guaranteed is a little more than half of where that neighborhood is right now.
01:07Like, at that – so, it's – the guaranteed money makes me say yes to that.
01:12I would do this deal.
01:13Yeah.
01:14$110 million guaranteed is not – because, A, I'm confident in C.J.
01:19If I didn't think C.J. could come back from his horrible postseason, then I would say no to this.
01:25I think he can.
01:26And then the $110 million, I think, is relative – it sounds crazy to say.
01:32It's – for quarterback money, it's relatively low risk.
01:36Well, it depends.
01:37If you're talking about guaranteed at signing, you know, like, Justin Herbert had $133 million guaranteed at signing.
01:43Dak Prescott, $129 million.
01:45Jared Goff, $113 million.
01:47They would be – 110 would be the ninth highest amongst all active quarterbacks.
01:53So, it's definitely not anything that's leading the league or anything.
01:56Yeah.
01:56And then when you start talking about practical guarantees and all of that, it gets –
02:00Those are the ones that get reported.
02:01Right.
02:02Right.
02:02So, like, Trevor Lawrence got $142 million guaranteed at signing.
02:07And that's – so, you're saying, hey, you know –
02:10Can't cut him.
02:11Right.
02:12So, he's really going to get – he's really going to get, like, $200 million almost.
02:15Yeah.
02:15But, like, from Stroud's perspective, okay, am I going to take less guaranteed money than Trevor Lawrence did?
02:22When Trevor Lawrence was in a very similar situation where he'd shown some really promising things but also had not –
02:28did not look like a guy that, oh, you've got to lock that down.
02:30He was still a futures bet.
02:32Yeah.
02:32Well, CJ's had a better first three years than Trevor Lawrence did.
02:35Yeah.
02:35Without question.
02:36And you're right.
02:37He got that deal.
02:39I would – I look at that and I'm – after the playoff games, especially for interception game, I was a no.
02:47Yeah.
02:48I don't want to do a contract with CJ.
02:49This one, maybe it's just time has passed a little bit for me.
02:52This one, if they ended up – if they don't do one with him, I'm not – I'm okay with it.
02:57Yeah.
02:57If this – if Adam Schefter tweeted today or whenever he's allowed to – they're allowed to do it in March, that that's the deal.
03:04I'd be like, all right, let's go.
03:05I'm a grumpy old man about this.
03:07I feel like that CJ just needs another year to prove it.
03:11And he's done some good things in his first three years.
03:14This year I thought he matured in some respects, but it's not like he put together a great season.
03:18And we can talk about whether – how much of it was his fault or not.
03:22But the performance in the playoffs – and it wasn't just the Patriots game.
03:26It was the Steelers game and the Patriots game.
03:29Nothing about that.
03:30Nothing about this past season or those two playoff games especially lead you to think, oh, you've got to lock him down no matter what.
03:37Yeah.
03:37Because otherwise – okay, other – what?
03:40Okay, so he has a great year next year.
03:42Awesome, right?
03:42Yeah.
03:43Okay, yeah, they go to the Super Bowl next year.
03:44Awesome, right?
03:45Okay, cool.
03:46Oh, no, they have to give him a huge contract.
03:48Yeah, great.
03:49He proved that he deserves it and earns it.
03:52So I just – I don't like the trend of just automatically extending quarterbacks after their third year.
03:58I think it's stupid for organizations to buy into whatever pressure quarterbacks are trying to exert when they haven't even shown that they're definitely the guy yet.
04:07So I don't –
04:09Break the wheel, Nick.
04:09Yeah, break the wheel.
04:10Break the wheel.
04:11Have you gotten to that yet in Game of Thrones that you watch where she says, I'm not going to –
04:17Be a spoke on the wheel.
04:18I'm going to break the wheel.
04:19Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:20That's the whole part.
04:21The entire season or two seasons she spends in Marine, really annoying me.
04:26The city of Marine, I very much get to the point where I'm like, why do you not just torch this – all these cities over here?
04:32I don't – like this is – it's – you're holding up my plot.
04:35Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:36And she had the capability to torch that city.
04:39Yeah.
04:39She torched King's Landing.
04:40Well, she eventually abandons it anyway, right?
04:42She's like, oh, I care about the slaves and freeing the slaves and everything.
04:45But then she ends up –
04:46She leaves.
04:47Yeah, she leaves anyway.
04:48You know where it's going.
04:49She leaves.
04:50Yeah.
04:51I can't wait for you to get to the end of it and we can go reassess Daenerys Targaryen as a leader.
04:56She was way more annoying this time around.
04:58Really?
04:58Yeah.
04:59Yeah.
04:59Like her and Jon Snow and all the other young ones, I get more annoyed with just how inept and immature they were early in their lives.
05:09Yeah.
05:09Which makes sense, obviously.
05:10But it's just annoying the second time around.
05:11I got you.
05:12I got you.
05:13You can see her start to go crazy.
05:15It's those little moments where you can see that like she's got a little bit of the pyromaniac in her and like the look in her eyes when people are burning and everything.
05:23You're like, oh.
05:24Oh, I see it there.
05:25Every high school had a couple kids that seemed to like fire a little too much.
05:29They were just born in the wrong era.
05:30Right.
05:31Right.
05:31Right.
05:32Really enjoyed having that magnifying glass, flying things on the sidewalk.
05:36Will Anderson Jr.'s contract, according to Dan Graziano, four years, $172 million.
05:43That's $43 million a year.
05:45Micah Parsons makes $47 million a year.
05:48$121 million guaranteed.
05:50Yeah.
05:50Go for it.
05:51Give it to him.
05:51He's earned it.
05:52That is the amount of time it took you to answer me just now.
05:55Yeah.
05:56Is the amount of time that the Texans should take to think about that contract.
05:59Right.
05:59And they'll have discussions about various little details on it and everything and how they structure it and everything.
06:05But I don't think there's going to be any drama to this at all.
06:08I think it's just a matter of, all right, sometime between now and August or between now and September,
06:13you're going to get news about Will Anderson Jr. signing a contract extension.
06:16I think it happens like Stingley last year.
06:18Stingley's was a week into the business year.
06:20Yeah.
06:21I think he – I'd be shocked if we got to April and Will Anderson Jr. doesn't have a contract extension.
06:26Nico was relatively early too, wasn't it?
06:27Nico's in May.
06:28Yeah.
06:28Nico's in May.
06:29Yep.
06:30Yep.
06:30Two years ago.
06:31So, like, so, you know, compared to Micah Parsons where they dragged it out for about 36 months.
06:36The Texans don't do that.
06:37Yeah.
06:38They did, like – Nick's – we've got a pattern of behavior now.
06:40Yeah.
06:41You know, like he – he got – you know, Nico after year three, Derek Stingley Jr. and Jalen Petrie after year three,
06:49and they all got done fairly quickly.
06:50Petrie's was a little closer to the season, but they – none of them dragged on, you know, into the season or anything.
06:58So, we don't expect Will Anderson Jr. to drag on.
07:00What do you – what do you think happens with CJ?
07:02Do you think he gets an extension, like, of this variety that Graziano pointed out?
07:06And if so, does it happen relatively early?
07:09I don't – I think – I've thought all along that he would get an extension up until the playoff games.
07:16I thought he would get three years nearly fully guaranteed, like Stingley.
07:21Yeah.
07:21Like Petrie.
07:22Like Daniil Hunter.
07:23His was a two-year nearly fully guaranteed.
07:26This would be very different than that, obviously.
07:28They're only guaranteeing half of it.
07:30Yeah.
07:30I don't think he does.
07:32I don't think – I don't – I don't think he does.
07:35You don't think he gets an extension?
07:36I don't think he gets an extension.
07:37Do you think it's an actual – do you think there's any leaks about disgruntlement or anything come August?
07:43It wouldn't shock me.
07:44Yeah.
07:44It wouldn't shock based on who his agent is?
07:46I don't know.
07:47He might just also come out at camp and say, you know what?
07:50No, we – I'm not worried about it because I really feel like I need to be better than I was last year, and I think I can be, and we're just going to roll with it, and I'm not thinking about it at second.
08:00Well, he's going to get asked about it.
08:02Right, right.
08:02You know, so that's the better answer than the opposite.
08:05Right.
08:05Well, I mean, there's different degrees of giving the standard statement.
08:09That's true.
08:09You know, you could get up there and say, I don't worry about that.
08:11Yeah, yeah.
08:11I'll let my agent handle it.
08:12If he got up and emphatically said, listen, I feel like I'm better than I was last year.
08:17I'm certainly better than I was in the playoffs, and I want to go out and earn it.
08:20Because we love playing the read-the-body-language game.
08:23Right.
08:23Read-into-the-answer game.
08:25Right, but there's also – when you give a non-answer, you can tell when somebody's just saying no comment, basically, but just in a more eloquent fashion.
08:31But when somebody's emphatic about, no, I genuinely don't care about this or something, that holds more weight.
08:36Okay, let me ask you about this.
08:37What do you think of Joe Mixon's act on social media of late?
08:41That he's – that it seems like he's raring to go and ready to go in 2026.
08:45Well, he posted a picture of him and C.J. Stroud.
08:49Yep.
08:50And the caption was, all 26 vengeance.
08:55With a shaking hands emoji afterwards.
08:57Was it a shaking hands emoji?
08:58Yeah.
08:58Yeah, yeah.
08:59He posted the strong message – this is the article I'm reading, called it a strong message – on Instagram, hyped up for a solid campaign.
09:06Are you buying Joe Mixon returning from this – the injury that's been described as mysterious, something we've never seen before, forcing him to miss the entire season, that it magically heals itself?
09:19I'm not buying it just because I felt like we were getting some messages almost like that during the season.
09:25Me too.
09:25And Nick describing it as something he'd never seen before and almost like a medical mystery.
09:32Yeah.
09:32I hope that this is – I hope that Joe Mixon feels like he's going to play and treat 2026 as a big vengeance run because he knows for 100% certain that he's capable of it.
09:45But I can't trust it until I see it.
09:47I don't think he's coming back.
09:49Yeah.
09:49I – you know, I –
09:50But I don't – it's not because he doesn't want to come back.
09:53Oh, of course not.
09:53He totally wants to come back.
09:54We just don't know what's going on with his lower leg.
09:56Yeah.
09:56Like, what am I supposed to believe?
09:58You know, like, we have no – other than everybody is befuddled by this whole thing, we've got no information on the injury.
10:06Yeah.
10:06We just know it's some lower extremity injury that is this big mystery that nobody can figure out.
10:12So now I'm to believe that this injury that's been sitting out there all year that nobody can figure out, that now it's magically healed.
10:19Right.
10:20And we're just –
10:20I mean, we're going to talk to Nick later this week.
10:22Do we ask him about Joe Mixon again?
10:24No, we will.
10:25Yeah.
10:25I mean, he's probably not going to give us any updates.
10:27Right.
10:27He'll give him the same – he'll give us the same thing that he said during the press conference.
10:31Right.
10:32But we'll ask him just in case there is an actual update.
10:34Yeah.
10:34Maybe they did figure something out.
10:36You know, like, in terms of, you know, all you have to do is turn it off and then turn it back on.
10:39Right.
10:40And then all of a sudden, boom, there you go.
10:41I hit Control-Alt-Delete on his foot, and now it's all better.
10:45We unplugged it for three minutes.
10:47A lot of times you think, like, why does it matter if I leave it unplugged for two minutes?
10:50I don't know.
10:51It just does.
10:52I always marvel at that.
10:53Yeah.
10:53Like when your iPhone or your iPad is doing something, and if I just turn it on or turn it off and turn it back on, it's all better.
11:00Yeah.
11:00That's amazing.
11:02Welcome to Electronics.
11:05Yeah.
11:05No.
11:06You sound like David Cully at the end of a season.
11:08What did you learn this year, David Cully?
11:09You mean the 34th best hire?
11:11I learned that sometimes my iPhone doesn't work, but if I turn it off and then turn it back on.
11:17I really am.
11:17I'm truly fascinated by that phenomenon.
11:22If Joe Mixon is back, do you still draft a running back?
11:24Yes.
11:25Yeah.
11:26I don't – yeah, I don't – you can't go – it would be like going in and expecting Nick Chubb to be your feature back or your lead back the entire season long.
11:33Yeah.
11:33Oh, yeah.
11:34It kind of would be.
11:34You know?
11:35Yeah.
11:35Which they kind of sort of almost did.
11:37Yeah.
11:37Yeah.
11:37It would be good.
11:38Like, you just – well, but when they signed Nick Chubb, I thought – they don't – I'm guessing the Texans expected Joe Mixon to be back himself.
11:47Yeah.
11:48They would – I'd like to think they would have been more aggressive if they didn't.
11:51But the Nick Chubb – Nick Chubb worked out for what you paid him, certainly, and you got value out of it.
11:57But, yeah, you can't go into next offseason expecting that, oh, okay, so Joe's good now.
12:02Yeah.
12:02All right.
12:03So whatever happened with the mysterious calf situation.
12:06Right.
12:06Or ankle situation.
12:07It just got better.
12:08Yeah.
12:08Yeah, I don't trust that.
12:09If it's something that Nick says he had never seen before, I'm guessing the doctors are also relatively unfamiliar with it.
12:16I would think so.
12:17Yeah.
12:17I would think so.
12:18You just – you can't really give a prediction about whether or not he's going to be available and healthy and how durable will he be.
12:24You can't predict that healthy running backs are going to be healthy.
12:26Oh, for sure.
12:27So certainly somebody that's got a mysterious ankle ailment.
12:29Got to draft a running back.
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