Youth With A Mission or Youth Indoctrination? Deconstructing YWAM’s Racial Ideology

43 minutes ago

John and Jenny unpack how racialized theology, Christian supremacy, and political extremism shaped everything from William Branham’s world to Youth With A Mission’s global footprint. Drawing on archival research and lived experience, they trace the line from British Israelism and Christian Identity theology through Bob Jones University, moral-majority politics, and Branham’s mentors into modern charismatic and New Apostolic Reformation networks. Along the way, they explore how “spiritual warfare,” end-times urgency, and talk of being the “true seed” of Abraham quietly merge race, nation, and faith into a single identity.

00:00 Introduction
02:48 White supremacy as ideology, not hatred
06:03 Civil rights backlash and evangelical politics
09:46 Christian Identity and racialized theology
12:02 Personal experiences inside racist doctrine
15:22 Missions, caste, and Christian supremacy
17:43 Pentecostalism, race, and leadership structures
21:29 Missions and perceived spiritual authority
24:40 Psychological impact on children and youth
29:38 Africa, spiritual warfare, and racialized narratives
33:49 Marketing revivals and missionary optics
38:08 Homeschooling, segregation, and culture
43:51 NAR origins and C. Peter Wagner
46:53 YWAM, paternalism, and funding dynamics
50:03 Missions vs humanitarian aid
53:00 YWAM DTS as indoctrination system
58:18 Joel’s Army and youth mobilization
1:00:06 Marriage, purity culture, and control
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Transcript

00:01:40What it was that we were in I thought it was a religious cult and I came to realize

00:01:45after digging for several years, almost a decade of research, I started to really

00:01:50realize that this was not a religious cult that we were in.

00:01:53We were actually in a political cult.

00:01:55But it was really, it was using religion as the vehicle.

00:02:00When I began publishing some of the heaviest of the information, it was so shocking.

00:02:05That even the people who were critical of the Branham movement,

00:02:10at that time I was publishing the Branham information,

00:02:13even the people who were critical of that movement,

00:02:15were against me publishing it because they just thought it was propaganda.

00:02:20And I had to, I learned that I had to start introducing this information very quickly

00:02:25in bite-sized digestible pieces, or people just simply

00:02:30would not believe it.

00:02:31It's just that bad.

00:02:33So after almost a day,

00:02:35a decade of researching, going through archives of newspapers and courthouses

00:02:40from federal documents, et cetera, I started publishing all of the information that

00:02:45the movement I was in was directly related and directly linked to the Klan.

00:02:50Directly to the second in command of the 1915 Klan.

00:02:54So this was a big

00:02:55deal.

00:02:56But you've hinted at white supremacy a few times, and I wanted to talk

00:03:00through that a bit as it relates to youth with a mission.

00:03:03I want to see how much of

00:03:05it is similar, how much of it was borrowed from what we had in our history

00:03:10and just from a broader sense, you know, try to discuss

00:03:15how that this through youth with a mission, how this impacts the world today.

00:03:20Absolutely.

00:03:21I am so grateful to have this conversation with you.

00:03:24I think

00:03:25it's so important and, and can be shocking.

00:03:29And

00:03:30for me, I think what's important to understand

00:03:35is that when I say white supremacy, people might hear, I think they hate

00:03:40people of color.

00:03:41And that's, that's actually not what I mean.

00:03:44Um, that

00:03:45could be part of it.

00:03:46But I actually think that, um, the work of Isabel Wolk or

00:03:50Wilson in the book cast is really helpful in understanding the

00:03:55structure of white supremacy and that it is so ingrained in the

00:04:00way we've been conditioned to see the world.

00:04:02And I think it so deeply affects our

00:04:05our psychology and the way that we see ourselves and each other that we don't

00:04:10often understand we have been steeped in this culture.

00:04:15that says those with less melanin should be in

00:04:20positions of power and those with more melanin should be in

00:04:25labor positions.

00:04:26And

00:04:28I think that

00:04:30that it is deeply important to talk about our specific organizations and the

00:04:34worlds that we live.

00:04:35that we've been doing.

00:04:36And

00:04:37I think that

00:04:38it's almost

00:04:39like

00:04:40I wouldn't want YWAM to become a scapegoat because I think.

00:04:45YWAM is actually a system of the broader culture.

00:04:50So one of the things that I think is important to understand is.

00:04:55More mainstream evangelicalism and fundamentalism and how.

00:05:00And this might feel really shocking to say.

00:05:05I see that the country of the U.S. has a cult of.

00:05:10Politics that uses religion as a means to an end.

00:05:15And one of the ways that we can see this is that.

00:05:20There was a giant backlash to the 1960s civil rights.

00:05:25Movement that worked to desegregate and worked for equal rights.

00:05:30And anti-discrimination.

00:05:32The very fundamentalist.

00:05:35Christian Bob Jones University.

00:05:37Didn't allow black students until they.

00:05:40Were forced to and then even when they did.

00:05:43They only allowed black students that.

00:05:45Were already married.

00:05:46So that there was no interracial relationships or marriage.

00:05:50That's what they were trying to prevent.

00:05:51That's what they were trying to prevent.

00:05:53And so the IRS.

00:05:55Actually went to go revoke Bob Jones University's tax.

00:06:00Status.

00:06:01Which led into a decade long struggle.

00:06:04Between Bob Jones University.

00:06:05And the IRS.

00:06:07And the IRS.

00:06:08Which ended up actually being.

00:06:10A huge part of what got Reagan elected.

00:06:13And created the formation.

00:06:15The formation of the moral majority.

00:06:16Bob Jones University claimed.

00:06:18That they had.

00:06:20It was their religious liberty.

00:06:22Essentially to be able.

00:06:24To racially destroy.

00:06:25To discriminate.

00:06:25And keep.

00:06:27The Christian institutions.

00:06:28In the way that they want.

00:06:30To discriminate them too.

00:06:31And so we see like.

00:06:33From Reagan.

00:06:34The.

00:06:35Christian.

00:06:37Evangelicals.

00:06:37In the United States.

00:06:38Have been.

00:06:39Pretty much.

00:06:40The strongest voting bloc.

00:06:42And there have been.

00:06:43Different wedge issues.

00:06:44That have.

00:06:45Been discussed.

00:06:46But Randall Ballmer.

00:06:47Does a really good job.

00:06:48Talking about the birth.

00:06:50Of where this huge division.

00:06:53Happened in the first place.

00:06:54And I think that.

00:06:55That it's really necessary.

00:06:57That we look at how.

00:06:59The struggle.

00:07:00For white bodies.

00:07:01To maintain those levers.

00:07:02Of power.

00:07:04Is what.

00:07:05Creates these conditions.

00:07:06For other organizations.

00:07:09Like Y-way.

00:07:10To be so successful.

00:07:12In this country.

00:07:13So if you haven't read it yet.

00:07:15My book.

00:07:15Weaponized Religion.

00:07:16From Christian Identity.

00:07:17To the NAR.

00:07:19This was.

00:07:20And this will sum up.

00:07:20The next few thoughts.

00:07:22That I'm going to give you.

00:07:23Which you.

00:07:23You haven't read this.

00:07:24So.

00:07:25You haven't yet encountered this.

00:07:27But.

00:07:27You're talking about.

00:07:28The white supremacy.

00:07:29Of the 60s.

00:07:30And how it affected.

00:07:30The movement.

00:07:32The religious movement.

00:07:33The political movement.

00:07:34Etc.

00:07:35All of that is covered in the book.

00:07:36But there was a.

00:07:38There's a deeply rooted idea.

00:07:40That.

00:07:42The.

00:07:43People of the.

00:07:45UK.

00:07:46And United States.

00:07:47And Canada.

00:07:48Were the descendants of the lost.

00:07:50Ten tribes of Israel.

00:07:50I think I did mention that part with you.

00:07:52Recently.

00:07:54They.

00:07:55They built upon that.

00:07:56When they added religion.

00:07:57To that.

00:07:58Theology.

00:07:59Or that weird.

00:07:59I.

00:08:00When they added religion to it.

00:08:02They started to bring in other ideas.

00:08:04And it hit America.

00:08:05And it hit America at the most opportunistic time for white supremacy to invade that.

00:08:10Idea.

00:08:10So the merging of these two created what is called Christian identity.

00:08:15And that phrase when you hear it you identify as a Christian that sounds like a great thing but.

00:08:20What they did was so insidious they wrapped the identity of a Christian.

00:08:25And they were trying to say that we because we are.

00:08:30We are the descendants we are the the true the true seed of Abraham that kind of thing.

00:08:35Well in America at that time you had after.

00:08:40Desegregation you had a lot of people especially in the south who were starting to see.

00:08:45The white skin as a separation or division of people and they started to say well they can't.

00:08:50Be of the true seed of Abraham we got the people with black skin from Africa.

00:08:55So this ideology started to take a very.

00:09:00Racist form on the heels of all of that.

00:09:05And I this book kind of walks you through all of the many connections like you mentioned Bob Jones you.

00:09:10And you're welcome back here to the co-host URL where you have from the co-host

00:09:15Baron William T. Frary von Blumberg, who was William Branham's campaign manager.

00:09:20Who was on the director of the family and was also, he was a.

00:09:25He was a director in the family and he was on the board at Bobby Bob Jones.

00:09:30So all of this is linked in ways that you can't fathom.

00:09:33It is all interconnected.

00:09:35It's very, very weird.

00:09:36It's connected to Nazism, to white supremacy, to anti.

00:09:40Semitism.

00:09:41Well, as this is growing and becoming.

00:09:45A religious pseudo religious ideology.

00:09:49It's like.

00:09:50As we said, it wasn't so much that they hated blacks.

00:09:53They were against.

00:09:55The mixture of races because of this true seed of Abraham.

00:09:59If you.

00:10:00If you have a true seed of Abraham and it is a.

00:10:02Blood lineage.

00:10:03You can't mix that blood or.

00:10:05Otherwise you have a no longer seed of Abraham.

00:10:08It's a mixture.

00:10:09So we started to.

00:10:10Introduce ideas that were.

00:10:13Trying to.

00:10:14Establish boundaries.

00:10:15That separated the races, especially as it related to.

00:10:18Marriages.

00:10:19And.

00:10:20Branham was one of the most outspoken people about mixed race.

00:10:24Marriages.

00:10:25Marriages.

00:10:26And he was preaching the two seed.

00:10:28The very racist two seed.

00:10:30Um.

00:10:31Theology.

00:10:32Wherein.

00:10:33Eve.

00:10:34Mated with the serpent in the garden of.

00:10:35Medan.

00:10:36To produce two.

00:10:37Different bloodlines.

00:10:38And there's two separate bloodlines.

00:10:39If you have white skin, you're the good guy.

00:10:40guys. If you have black skin, you're the bad guys. So all of this was spreading.

00:10:45As William Branham's mentor and the person who had ordained

00:10:50him, Roy Davis, who was the second in command of the Klan, he starts

00:10:55the third wave of the Klan, right about the time that this ladder

00:10:58rain thing is being birthed.

00:11:00So you have Klan, you have anti-Semitism, you have

00:11:05politics, you have just this whole conglomeration of different

00:11:10ideologies merging into the religious platform. And I won't go too far with

00:11:15it. You can read the book to find out but what happened next is it bred a

00:11:20religion that, like I said, it's so insane.

00:11:25It's so insidious and what it created. I'm going to open up a

00:11:28little bit more with you than I usually do.

00:11:30Because I try to, out of respect for my family, not go too far. But

00:11:35you mentioned that it isn't just against people.

00:11:40It's just against people of color. That is correct. My, I have my

00:11:44grandmother who is now.

00:11:45deceased. She and my grandfather would

00:11:50often ask a black man,

00:11:55who sat up front to pray for the closing prayer of the services.

00:12:00Whenever you see the public view of this, you don't think of these people as racist,

00:12:04but these are people who are telling...

00:12:05telling you that if a black person marries a white person and they produce children that

00:12:09are mixed race.

00:12:10Those children can't go to heaven, that was one of the doctrines we had.

00:12:15My grandmother, when we would go to a restaurant, my grandmother, if the server

00:12:20was black and served us, she would actually vomit in her mouth.

00:12:25Swallow it and not eat her food because of the person with black skin.

00:12:30But again, to the public, because they did not...

00:12:35appear to be racist from the public eye.

00:12:38Nobody knew any of this was going on.

00:12:40I did because I was at the restaurants.

00:12:42Right?

00:12:43So I saw these things.

00:12:45I grew up not knowing that I was a racist, but was, but you're right.

00:12:50It isn't just against people of color.

00:12:54The movement...

00:12:55It was an ideology.

00:12:56It was about the true seed of Abraham, the British Israel doctrine.

00:13:00It was also about not allowing the Catholic...

00:13:05Catholic system, the Catholic religion to spread.

00:13:08They were very anti-Catholic.

00:13:10They viewed Jews in the same way that they viewed blacks.

00:13:15They did not want the mixed race.

00:13:17And all of this is, if you look at the...

00:13:20fundamental elements of Christian identity.

00:13:22That's simply what it was.

00:13:23It was Christian identity and ideology.

00:13:25But what they did was they would tie religious doctrines and...

00:13:30biblical passages from the Bible to those ideologies to make it sound like religion.

00:13:35So that's what I grew up with.

00:13:37You know, these ideas are so entrenched.

00:13:40And so ingrained that...

00:13:45I had in high school, I had the DC talk...

00:13:50voice of the martyrs devotional.

00:13:52And it was one of these books that I was...

00:13:55engaging because I thought I would be martyred by the time I was 23.

00:14:00And looked forward to that.

00:14:01And I recently found it.

00:14:03And one of the questions...

00:14:05questions was...

00:14:06who are the people that are hardest for you to love?

00:14:10And...

00:14:10I filled this out when I was 14 or 15.

00:14:12And I wrote Mexicans.

00:14:15And I did not even personally know a Mexican...

00:14:2014 or 15 years old.

00:14:21It was all the xenophobic rhetoric I had...

00:14:25heard growing up of...

00:14:27quote-unquote...

00:14:28illegals coming into our country.

00:14:30And how enraged people were that there were Spanish...

00:14:35Spanish signs in Walmart on the aisles.

00:14:37And how this was America.

00:14:38And we should speak English.

00:14:40All while...

00:14:42being so supportive of me going to...

00:14:45Tijuana on a missions trip during Christmas...

00:14:50break.

00:14:51And that's why I think thinking of it as cast...

00:14:54is so important.

00:14:55Because it is this sense of...

00:14:58it's okay to go...

00:15:00over there and help them over there.

00:15:03But we actually don't want to disrupt...

00:15:05the system that questions...

00:15:07why are those in the global south or...

00:15:10in these other countries...

00:15:11or in our country...

00:15:13struggling...

00:15:14because of...

00:15:15the history of...

00:15:17exploitation...

00:15:18and capitalism.

00:15:20and...

00:15:21what I think is really important...

00:15:22is that...

00:15:23white supremacy...

00:15:24wouldn't...

00:15:25actually exist without...

00:15:26Christian supremacy...

00:15:28that...

00:15:29that slavery...

00:15:30was justified...

00:15:31by saying...

00:15:32that the only people...

00:15:33God ordained...

00:15:34to own...

00:15:35people...

00:15:36and properties...

00:15:37originally were...

00:15:38quote-unquote...

00:15:39Christians...

00:15:40and then...

00:15:41when enslaved...

00:15:42black people...

00:15:43started converting...

00:15:44to Christianity...

00:15:45there became...

00:15:46this conundrum...

00:15:47well...

00:15:48we actually...

00:15:49didn't mean...

00:15:50that black people...

00:15:50could own...

00:15:51people...

00:15:52and property...

00:15:53so...

00:15:54it wasn't until...

00:15:55that you actually...

00:15:56started to see...

00:15:57the word...

00:15:58white...

00:15:59in legal documents...

00:16:00that they...

00:16:00that it used to be...

00:16:01Christian...

00:16:02but they actually...

00:16:03transformed it...

00:16:04to say...

00:16:05white...

00:16:06Christian people...

00:16:07were ordained...

00:16:08by God...

00:16:09because it was...

00:16:10there was always...

00:16:11this sense of...

00:16:12again...

00:16:13those with less...

00:16:14melanin...

00:16:15were...

00:16:16quote-unquote...

00:16:15ordained...

00:16:16or called...

00:16:17or chosen...

00:16:18or fill in the blank...

00:16:19to be on top...

00:16:20and I think...

00:16:21that that's why...

00:16:22missions...

00:16:23is...

00:16:24is...

00:16:25tricky...

00:16:26and organizations...

00:16:27like YWAM...

00:16:28are tricky...

00:16:29because...

00:16:30someone like me...

00:16:31and say...

00:16:32well...

00:16:33Jenny's going to...

00:16:34live in Africa...

00:16:35so of course...

00:16:35loves people of color...

00:16:36or she doesn't have...

00:16:37a problem with...

00:16:38black people...

00:16:39but I was still...

00:16:40staying within...

00:16:41the racial...

00:16:42and gendered...

00:16:43expectations...

00:16:44of purity culture...

00:16:45and I...

00:16:45when I was still...

00:16:46preaching...

00:16:47in front of...

00:16:48hundreds of people...

00:16:49in Uganda...

00:16:50when I...

00:16:50sure...

00:16:51well knew...

00:16:52I would not be...

00:16:53allowed to preach...

00:16:54in front of...

00:16:55hundreds of people...

00:16:56in the United States...

00:16:55if they were white...

00:16:56and I...

00:16:57and so...

00:16:58this part of me...

00:16:59even if I didn't...

00:17:00consciously...

00:17:01know it...

00:17:02I was already...

00:17:03enacting...

00:17:04the white supremacy...

00:17:05in my body...

00:17:06that said...

00:17:07I have a problem...

00:17:08with...

00:17:09Mexicans...

00:17:10for...

00:17:11whatever reason...

00:17:10and...

00:17:11I have...

00:17:12no problem...

00:17:13assuming positions...

00:17:14of authority...

00:17:15in...

00:17:15communities...

00:17:16that I know...

00:17:17I wouldn't have...

00:17:18that authority of...

00:17:19if they were...

00:17:20white communities...

00:17:20and that's been a battle...

00:17:21throughout...

00:17:22Pentecostalism...

00:17:23you can look back...

00:17:24at the histories...

00:17:25there...

00:17:26are different groups...

00:17:27that splintered off...

00:17:28of Pentecostalism...

00:17:29that...

00:17:30because...

00:17:31they did not want...

00:17:32black people...

00:17:33to be preaching...

00:17:34to white people...

00:17:35they would create...

00:17:36a separate sect...

00:17:37and...

00:17:38that sect would...

00:17:39grow predominantly...

00:17:40black...

00:17:40assemblies of God...

00:17:41was created...

00:17:42I believe...

00:17:43to...

00:17:44for the white people...

00:17:45to be in charge...

00:17:45and...

00:17:46I...

00:17:47it's...

00:17:48well into...

00:17:49the 2000s...

00:17:50some of these denominations...

00:17:51still...

00:17:52maintain that same...

00:17:53order of...

00:17:54white supremacy...

00:17:55if you look through...

00:17:57the magazines...

00:17:58that are published...

00:17:59as the movement...

00:18:00is...

00:18:01developing into...

00:18:02what would become...

00:18:03the charismatic movement...

00:18:04it's predominantly white...

00:18:05white...

00:18:06you look at...

00:18:07the different...

00:18:08missionaries...

00:18:09that are going overseas...

00:18:10they're almost all...

00:18:10white...

00:18:11and then...

00:18:12if you look at...

00:18:13the people...

00:18:14that they choose...

00:18:15for the photo ops...

00:18:16who are...

00:18:15on the other side...

00:18:17it's usually...

00:18:18the white guys...

00:18:19who are in leadership...

00:18:20and...

00:18:21they may do...

00:18:22a photo opportunity...

00:18:23with somebody...

00:18:24who's really poor...

00:18:25black skin...

00:18:26either...

00:18:27they're black...

00:18:28or Jew...

00:18:29or whatever they are...

00:18:30they...

00:18:30generally...

00:18:31just a photo op...

00:18:32that's all they are...

00:18:33and...

00:18:34when I began...

00:18:35also noticing...

00:18:36that...

00:18:37you know...

00:18:38from my history...

00:18:39this is a very racist...

00:18:40ideology...

00:18:41that's coming...

00:18:42forward...

00:18:43this is...

00:18:44I had no idea...

00:18:45that I was...

00:18:45a movement...

00:18:46that was created...

00:18:47literally...

00:18:48by the Ku Klux Klan...

00:18:49I was...

00:18:50but then...

00:18:51to watch all...

00:18:52look at all those photos...

00:18:53and...

00:18:54watch the videos...

00:18:55and...

00:18:56start to see...

00:18:57it's almost all...

00:18:55white people...

00:18:56this doesn't make...

00:18:57any sense...

00:18:58why is it like this...

00:18:59because...

00:19:00the argument...

00:19:01well...

00:19:02there's just simply...

00:19:03more white people...

00:19:04in leadership...

00:19:05the history...

00:19:06and...

00:19:07you look at the numbers...

00:19:08that is not true...

00:19:09it's just that...

00:19:10they had pushed...

00:19:10black people aside...

00:19:11and...

00:19:12we're a different movement...

00:19:13they're in their own movement...

00:19:14now...

00:19:15culturally...

00:19:16I've studied this too...

00:19:18I've studied things to...

00:19:19no end...

00:19:20because...

00:19:21there's...

00:19:22there's just so much to understand...

00:19:23with regards to culture...

00:19:24politics...

00:19:25religion...

00:19:25etc...

00:19:26in the south...

00:19:27there were laws...

00:19:28that existed...

00:19:29well...

00:19:30whenever you would believe...

00:19:32that...

00:19:33churches would become...

00:19:34integrated...

00:19:35where the laws...

00:19:36actually prevented...

00:19:37gatherings...

00:19:38with...

00:19:39so many people...

00:19:40that are...

00:19:40black...

00:19:41and...

00:19:42so many people...

00:19:43that are white...

00:19:44you had...

00:19:45the population...

00:19:46how much...

00:19:47could come together...

00:19:48it's got really weird...

00:19:49in some states...

00:19:50regions...

00:19:51so...

00:19:52in the south...

00:19:53there were...

00:19:54limitations...

00:19:55having...

00:19:56ministries...

00:19:57that...

00:19:58had a black...

00:19:59person...

00:20:00a body...

00:20:01of white...

00:20:02people...

00:20:03when those laws...

00:20:04begin to disappear...

00:20:05however...

00:20:05because...

00:20:06this movement...

00:20:07had developed...

00:20:08with...

00:20:09the racial background...

00:20:10many of them...

00:20:10continued...

00:20:11because...

00:20:12they did not want...

00:20:13to offend...

00:20:14the other people...

00:20:15who were...

00:20:15truly...

00:20:16racist...

00:20:17in other words...

00:20:18the movement...

00:20:19was developing...

00:20:20where...

00:20:21racism...

00:20:22should have...

00:20:23stopped...

00:20:24but...

00:20:25accused...

00:20:26of people...

00:20:27in the movement...

00:20:28so...

00:20:29as this thing...

00:20:30in the 60s...

00:20:3170s...

00:20:32you're still seeing...

00:20:33predominantly...

00:20:34white people...

00:20:35behind the movement...

00:20:35there are just a...

00:20:36handful of names...

00:20:37that I can think of...

00:20:38that were black...

00:20:39as the movement...

00:20:40was developing...

00:20:40I can't think of...

00:20:41one single Jew...

00:20:42but...

00:20:43Jewish people...

00:20:44are of the Jewish...

00:20:45religion...

00:20:46Jewish faith...

00:20:47so...

00:20:48they're also...

00:20:49separated from this...

00:20:50and spreading...

00:20:51it is spreading...

00:20:52predominantly...

00:20:53white...

00:20:54those missionaries...

00:20:55go out to...

00:20:56other countries...

00:20:57and...

00:20:58it's...

00:20:59it's really odd...

00:21:00because...

00:21:00you've...

00:21:01you've made this point...

00:21:02and I...

00:21:03I want to stress it...

00:21:04in this podcast...

00:21:05when you're white...

00:21:06and you go to a...

00:21:07developing nation...

00:21:08that is...

00:21:09mostly black...

00:21:10when they see a white...

00:21:11person come...

00:21:12they see something...

00:21:13different...

00:21:14visually...

00:21:15they see somebody...

00:21:16who's coming...

00:21:17who's wealthy...

00:21:18who has plenty of food...

00:21:19who has a way of teaching them...

00:21:20how to...

00:21:20grow food...

00:21:21how to...

00:21:22how to survive...

00:21:23they see somebody...

00:21:24who is...

00:21:25superior...

00:21:26here's where...

00:21:28this podcast...

00:21:29interests me...

00:21:30relates to youth...

00:21:31with a mission...

00:21:32I can understand...

00:21:33as an adult...

00:21:34this is...

00:21:35this is problematic...

00:21:36you come...

00:21:37and you start to see...

00:21:38this thing happening...

00:21:39where...

00:21:40people are...

00:21:40starting to respect you...

00:21:41just simply...

00:21:42for your skin color...

00:21:43to an adult...

00:21:44you see it...

00:21:45you're a little bit...

00:21:46aghast...

00:21:47I don't want to be...

00:21:48thought of this way...

00:21:49this is really...

00:21:50this is offensive...

00:21:50but...

00:21:51to a child...

00:21:52how do you...

00:21:53separate this...

00:21:54because a child...

00:21:55understand...

00:21:56all of these things...

00:21:57they don't know the background...

00:21:58of history...

00:21:59culture...

00:22:00etc...

00:22:00how did that affect...

00:22:01the children...

00:22:02whenever you're in...

00:22:03youth with a mission...

00:22:04yeah...

00:22:05I think it's a great...

00:22:05great question...

00:22:06I think...

00:22:07you know...

00:22:08I was thinking...

00:22:09as you were talking...

00:22:10through...

00:22:10I spent...

00:22:11the better part...

00:22:12of seven years...

00:22:13involved...

00:22:14and on staff...

00:22:15with...

00:22:15IWAM...

00:22:16in various...

00:22:17states...

00:22:18and countries...

00:22:19a lot...

00:22:20over...

00:22:20Africa...

00:22:21and I think...

00:22:22I can think of...

00:22:23maybe one...

00:22:24base leader...

00:22:25that was...

00:22:25a person of color...

00:22:26and other than that...

00:22:27even in...

00:22:28Uganda...

00:22:29and even in...

00:22:30other countries...

00:22:31it was always...

00:22:32white bodies...

00:22:33from...

00:22:34England...

00:22:35or...

00:22:35America...

00:22:36usually...

00:22:37that moved...

00:22:38there...

00:22:39to...

00:22:40take on...

00:22:41those...

00:22:42mantles...

00:22:40of...

00:22:41power...

00:22:42and...

00:22:43I think...

00:22:44it often...

00:22:45created...

00:22:46unquestioned...

00:22:47and...

00:22:48I think...

00:22:49it often...

00:22:50created...

00:22:50there's this...

00:22:51this phrase...

00:22:52third culture kid...

00:22:53where there's a lot...

00:22:54of...

00:22:55confusion...

00:22:56for...

00:22:57kids who grow up...

00:22:58on the mission field...

00:22:59where it's actually...

00:23:00not...

00:23:00their...

00:23:01their culture...

00:23:02by heritage...

00:23:03but it's the culture...

00:23:04they live...

00:23:05and so there's...

00:23:05always...

00:23:06this feeling...

00:23:07of...

00:23:08displacement...

00:23:09and...

00:23:10a feeling...

00:23:10I don't belong...

00:23:11but also...

00:23:12I'm in a position...

00:23:13of...

00:23:14power...

00:23:15and...

00:23:16and I think...

00:23:15that in itself...

00:23:16tends to then...

00:23:17breed...

00:23:18these isolations...

00:23:19and...

00:23:20and it becomes...

00:23:20this...

00:23:21funnel...

00:23:22as we've been...

00:23:23talking about...

00:23:24where it becomes...

00:23:25these insular...

00:23:26worlds...

00:23:27because you...

00:23:28sense that...

00:23:29nobody outside...

00:23:30they will...

00:23:31understand you...

00:23:32and...

00:23:33I think...

00:23:34it also...

00:23:35further...

00:23:35traumatizing...

00:23:36and...

00:23:37confusing...

00:23:38when we talk about...

00:23:39spiritual warfare...

00:23:40I...

00:23:40I think about it like...

00:23:41if you've had...

00:23:42glasses...

00:23:43that are like...

00:23:43a certain color...

00:23:44and you put...

00:23:45it on and the world's all that color so like if we imagine putting on our white suppression

00:23:50and see glasses and being like let's just see how we actually see the world if we look

00:23:55at it through this lens so much of the spiritual warfare language

00:24:00is nations that are dark and and it it always seems to be

00:24:05correlated with melanin and the places that are the most dark tend to be

00:24:10nations that have people of color and jesus is this white bright

00:24:15pure person and so there's there's always this internalized

00:24:20of darkness of other of um these things

00:24:25that are uh really um different from how people have lived with

00:24:30nature and seasons and not

00:24:35living in duality in many parts of the world but it really creates this uh bind

00:24:40of this system and what i think that does for folks

00:24:45who grew up in white bodies in these world

00:24:47is similar to what we were talking about last

00:24:50last time i think it produces chronic shame because you are

00:24:55from the beginning set up as a trope you are the good one because you're white

00:25:00white you are called by god you are holy so you better not throw a temper tantrum

00:25:05you better not you know have these things that normal kids or normal humans have

00:25:10and if we don't live in an environment where our true authentic self

00:25:15self can be seen and validated and empathized with we will

00:25:19and

00:25:20inevitably develop a really strong sense of shame there is something so

00:25:25wrong with me and we will split off those parts of ourselves that we have

00:25:30learned are quote-unquote dark or bad or sinful and so we'll either

00:25:35kind of project ourselves into these better bigger than life versions

00:25:40where we're like the superstar missionary or and both maybe

00:25:45maybe we implode into systems of into cycles of self

00:25:50harm because we feel so bad about just our very existence and who

00:25:55we are i think it's incredibly damaging for children you just mentioned

00:26:00something that i've been trying to put into words and have not yet been able to i think you did

00:26:05there are things that exist in

00:26:10there are things that exist in the religious world today especially the charismatic world

00:26:14that only

00:26:15exist because of this racist history and it isn't that the people who are

00:26:20doing it are racist it isn't that they are targeting black people

00:26:25or

00:26:26there's no hate behind it it's just simply part of the development

00:26:30of the religion as it related to the ideology and exactly what

00:26:35you said you go into africa that's where the demons lie we would hear i listened to recording

00:26:40things at branham growing up he had recorded sermons from 1947 and 19

00:26:451665 church for us as we would go into a building and the minister

00:26:50and the minister would say okay brother harold play the tape whoever harold is and

00:26:55um

00:26:56they play the tape and then we would all sit and listen to this sermon that was during

00:27:00the years of all of these racist um demonstrations of the

00:27:05politics we don't even understand

00:27:06politics we don't even understand

00:27:10and we don't even really recognize the events until you start to put

00:27:15together to a timeline here's the sermon here's the what was happening in politics and the

00:27:20world we start to see all of this if you put it into a timeline but

00:27:25i i began to have that same exact thought they would often talk about

00:27:30and that's where the demons are and so you

00:27:35you get this mental image of everybody worshiping demons in africa which isn't

00:27:40the case i have friends from africa and you get the also the idea that

00:27:45everybody's primitive it's a primitive culture which is partially true

00:27:50especially during the years he was preaching but it wasn't as true as it was made up

00:27:55for the men who werecloudives and 15 evidents coapped cars across the world

00:27:56but i played it out to be a controversial

00:27:57but i played it out to be while he was preaching but the thought hit me

00:28:00If you were to, like you said, if you were to have some glasses that just took color away from everything,

00:28:05watch how differently this looks.

00:28:07What about the Native Americans?

00:28:10Is that would not the same spiritual warfare apply here, but these people go on.

00:28:15This like you with a mission, they're going on the mission, because that's where the demons lie.

00:28:20Where is youth with a mission going in to treat the demons that are in the.

00:28:25Native American cultures, right?

00:28:27It should be the same thing, but we view Africa.

00:28:30Africa is entirely different because of this ideology and it's planting.

00:28:35Into the children's minds, the idea you're there's association that happens there.

00:28:40So I'm using the word children purposefully.

00:28:44Whenever.

00:28:45Whenever I started to learn history, I was in high school, I'm learning history.

00:28:50And I'm understanding the basics of culture.

00:28:53It wasn't until really my third.

00:28:55Think shuts my heart.

00:28:56Have I here in theji and your pilot have kept becomingini.

00:28:57Netting

00:29:10that makes it less sustainable.

00:29:13Without going forward, We'll let my heart out.

00:29:14There is a share of the, we'll let the people around the world and our children and our children

00:29:20have kept redistribuzz.

00:29:22We'll let them both다는 iz mayo as well.

00:29:23In the next movie, it was holy.

00:29:24And you begin to associate that with the color of the skin naturally because you're in Africa

00:29:29which is predominantly black people.

00:29:31So for me, when I see this,

00:29:34this whole setup like Youth With A Mission,

00:29:38the entire

00:29:39establishment doesn't make sense to me.

00:29:41Why are there not the same missions happening here?

00:29:44I know of one YWAM base.

00:29:48There may be

00:29:49more that is on a reservation in Montana.

00:29:54But

00:29:54it isn't

00:29:55it doesn't get the same airtime that going to

00:29:59the 1040 window or Africa does certainly.

00:30:03And

00:30:04to me,

00:30:05my understanding of that is that that is because

00:30:09unfortunately,

00:30:10in the membrane of the US,

00:30:12historically,

00:30:14we have done such a good job segregating indigenous people that they are

00:30:19not, quote unquote,

00:30:20a threat in the same way that black people

00:30:24during desegregation became.

00:30:26And so there was this there was

00:30:29more overt forms of racism against black bodies, but of course,

00:30:34with indigenous residential schools and the murder.

00:30:39and removal of indigenous people from their lands since the inception of the United States.

00:30:44that has existed, but it's taken on a different form.

00:30:48And I think it is

00:30:49because of that that sense of keeping the bloodlines pure and

00:30:54this is why I think focusing on purity culture.

00:30:57That's why I do so much of that in my

00:30:59work in that it is often around the trope of protecting

00:31:04young white women.

00:31:05And really what that is,

00:31:07is

00:31:09a signal for keeping the races pure.

00:31:12You know,

00:31:13the

00:31:14the

00:31:151915

00:31:16clan movement had the momentum that it did.

00:31:19because the very first Hollywood movie,

00:31:22the birth of a nation show.

00:31:24showed white men in blackface sexually assaulting a white woman and

00:31:28and there became this frenzy and this stereotype of

00:31:33the oversexual black man and often it was

00:31:38used as justification for burning down entire towns like Rosewood.

00:31:43That we're in quote-unquote the defense of the innocence of a white.

00:31:48And so I think it plays out differently because it really is

00:31:53who is in this world who is considered a threat to

00:31:58white bodies staying on top and being superior.

00:32:03And I think part of the reason that...

00:32:08So many missionaries are sent to places like Africa now is it's...

00:32:13This soft power of empire setting up...

00:32:18So many missionaries end up creating businesses.

00:32:23Where they hire Ugandan women for very little money to make jewelry.

00:32:28And then come back to the United States and sell that jewelry for hundreds of dollars.

00:32:33Or various things that you see that continue to keep this...

00:32:38Cast in place of who gets to have access to the levers of power.

00:32:43And who doesn't?

00:32:45Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement...

00:32:48started?

00:32:49Or how the progression of modern Pentecostalism transitioned through the...

00:32:53latter reign, charismatic, and other fringe movements into the new apostolic reformation.

00:32:58You can learn this and more on William Branham Historical Research's website...

00:33:03William-Branham.org

00:33:06On the books page of the website...

00:33:08You can find the compiled research of John Collins, Charles Paisley, Stephen McGovern...

00:33:13John McKinnon, and others with links to the paper, audio, and...

00:33:18digital versions of each book.

00:33:20You can also find resources and documentation...

00:33:23on various people and topics related to those movements.

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00:33:44The other thing that goes with this...

00:33:47whenever the...

00:33:48ladder rain movement was spreading...

00:33:50and it turned into the worldwide...

00:33:52they call it the world...

00:33:53the worldwide revival.

00:33:54They would often go into countries like this...

00:33:57because the photo operation...

00:33:58opportunities were significant.

00:33:59If you were to go into one of these nations...

00:34:01and say...

00:34:02well...

00:34:03hey...

00:34:04we're going to have dinner on the ground...

00:34:05we're going to have free food...

00:34:06come...

00:34:07you would have people buy the busload.

00:34:08that's coming.

00:34:09I mean...

00:34:10that's the way...

00:34:11it is in a developing nation...

00:34:12or a poor country.

00:34:13So...

00:34:13whenever you see these massive crowds...

00:34:16you're seeing the result of...

00:34:18what...

00:34:19led to the marketing that drew those crowds...

00:34:21you're not seeing the actuality of what...

00:34:23what was going on behind the scenes...

00:34:25and a lot of that has to do...

00:34:26just simply with the...

00:34:28overall wealth of the nation...

00:34:29that they're going into...

00:34:31but...

00:34:32the photo...

00:34:33the photo opportunities...

00:34:34were really what drove the movement...

00:34:36if you can get a...

00:34:37large gathering...

00:34:38of people...

00:34:39and say that you're healing them...

00:34:40and...

00:34:41you know...

00:34:42maybe some people did...

00:34:43get healed...

00:34:44but...

00:34:45we've examined many cases...

00:34:46where they would claim that it happened...

00:34:47and it didn't.

00:34:48but...

00:34:49the photo opportunity...

00:34:50brought enough people together...

00:34:52that you can...

00:34:53post it on magazines...

00:34:54now...

00:34:55you can start printing...

00:34:56and distributing it...

00:34:57people...

00:34:58started seeing this as...

00:35:00this is the spreading of the gospel...

00:35:02the gospel is going out to...

00:35:03the entire world...

00:35:04and then the end of days happens...

00:35:06so along with this association...

00:35:08of race...

00:35:09and culture...

00:35:10and...

00:35:11the demons that are hiding...

00:35:12under the skin color...

00:35:13you also have...

00:35:14this association to it...

00:35:15with the end of days theology...

00:35:18that also...

00:35:19when you combine all of this...

00:35:20with your ideology...

00:35:21as you're forming an ideology...

00:35:23you're starting to associate...

00:35:25the darker skin...

00:35:26with the end of days...

00:35:27which is...

00:35:28also problematic...

00:35:29I did this to a limited extent...

00:35:32I was not aware...

00:35:33of how racist...

00:35:34I was supposed to be...

00:35:35when I was in the religion...

00:35:36had no idea...

00:35:37of many of the things...

00:35:38in fact...

00:35:39in high school...

00:35:40many of my close friends...

00:35:41closest friends...

00:35:42were black people...

00:35:43I just had no idea...

00:35:45but...

00:35:46to a person...

00:35:47who is starting to...

00:35:48associate those things...

00:35:49in their mind...

00:35:50with their ideology...

00:35:51you can't help...

00:35:52but...

00:35:53draw links like this...

00:35:54draw conclusions like this...

00:35:56and honestly...

00:35:57if you study the...

00:35:58history of how this ideology...

00:35:59began to grow...

00:36:00and spread...

00:36:01it was mostly because...

00:36:02of that exact...

00:36:03you started to see...

00:36:05the separation of...

00:36:06it's a visual difference...

00:36:07right...

00:36:08you're starting to see...

00:36:09the separation...

00:36:10because of skin color...

00:36:11so...

00:36:12having people...

00:36:13younger...

00:36:14who are going...

00:36:15on these missions...

00:36:16and not having...

00:36:17the proper grounding...

00:36:18in history...

00:36:19and culture...

00:36:20not having leadership...

00:36:21that is very experienced...

00:36:22on how to deal with it...

00:36:23like this...

00:36:24for me...

00:36:25I see this as a huge...

00:36:26huge problem...

00:36:27absolutely...

00:36:28yeah...

00:36:28I...

00:36:29as you're saying that...

00:36:30I remember...

00:36:31it was...

00:36:32a conscious...

00:36:33thought for me...

00:36:34often...

00:36:35when I was preaching...

00:36:36in Uganda...

00:36:37where I would be like...

00:36:38what if this is the...

00:36:38last group...

00:36:39to have never heard of Jesus...

00:36:40and like...

00:36:41me preaching this...

00:36:42is going to make...

00:36:43him come back...

00:36:44and it was...

00:36:45one...

00:36:46just really grandiose...

00:36:47thinking...

00:36:48and also...

00:36:50you know...

00:36:51Jesus has existed...

00:36:52in Uganda...

00:36:53for centuries...

00:36:54Ugandans...

00:36:55don't need...

00:36:56people to tell them...

00:36:57who Jesus is...

00:36:58but...

00:37:00the...

00:37:01and...

00:37:02you know...

00:37:03and many times...

00:37:04similar to...

00:37:03healing...

00:37:04it was like...

00:37:05oh...

00:37:06these 500 people...

00:37:07got saved...

00:37:08and then you come back...

00:37:09the next week...

00:37:08and those same...

00:37:09500 people...

00:37:10get saved...

00:37:11and...

00:37:12it really pulls...

00:37:13into question...

00:37:14the issue...

00:37:15of consent...

00:37:16it...

00:37:17you know...

00:37:18because...

00:37:18of centuries...

00:37:19of...

00:37:20the...

00:37:21under development...

00:37:22of Africa...

00:37:23there is a necessity...

00:37:25for...

00:37:26um...

00:37:27the missionary...

00:37:28industrial...

00:37:28complex...

00:37:29or...

00:37:30these various ways...

00:37:31in which...

00:37:32nonprofits...

00:37:33bring...

00:37:33things...

00:37:34that are...

00:37:35necessary...

00:37:36um...

00:37:37because...

00:37:38of...

00:37:38the...

00:37:39problem...

00:37:40that...

00:37:41our...

00:37:42countries...

00:37:43created...

00:37:44in the first place...

00:37:45and so...

00:37:46if...

00:37:47you're gonna say...

00:37:48to...

00:37:49come...

00:37:50get saved...

00:37:51and have a meal...

00:37:52and then...

00:37:53and then...

00:37:54the cycle...

00:37:53just...

00:37:54has to...

00:37:55continue...

00:37:56it's just...

00:37:57it...

00:37:58it's a snake...

00:37:59that just...

00:38:00begins...

00:38:01to eat...

00:38:02its own...

00:38:03if I can add...

00:38:04one more thing...

00:38:05this is a little tangent...

00:38:06but I keep thinking about...

00:38:07um...

00:38:08as you share...

00:38:08you're like...

00:38:09I didn't know...

00:38:10how racist I was supposed to be...

00:38:11you're like...

00:38:12these people...

00:38:13might not know the history...

00:38:13I think that...

00:38:14that's so important...

00:38:15because...

00:38:16um...

00:38:17I...

00:38:18for me...

00:38:19personally...

00:38:20I grew up...

00:38:21I was homeschooled...

00:38:22and...

00:38:23if you would've...

00:38:24asked my parents...

00:38:25is that so that...

00:38:26Jenny didn't spend time...

00:38:27around black kids...

00:38:28they would've said no...

00:38:29but if you look at...

00:38:30the history...

00:38:31of the homeschool movement...

00:38:33in...

00:38:34evangelical Christianity...

00:38:35it was a direct...

00:38:37outbirth...

00:38:38of desegregation...

00:38:39and as soon as...

00:38:40white and black students...

00:38:42started coming together...

00:38:43there...

00:38:44there was the birth...

00:38:45of the homeschool movement...

00:38:46and training your children up...

00:38:47and...

00:38:48parental rights...

00:38:49and...

00:38:50and that is why...

00:38:51I'm so passionate...

00:38:52about this history...

00:38:53because it's like...

00:38:54once we put those glasses on...

00:38:55once we start to see it...

00:38:57it's so much...

00:38:58harder to unsee...

00:39:00but if this is our first time...

00:39:01looking at it...

00:39:02of course there's a...

00:39:03reaction...

00:39:04because we want to be like...

00:39:05I'm not racist...

00:39:06and that in itself...

00:39:07is part of...

00:39:08I think...

00:39:08how we've been socialized...

00:39:09like...

00:39:10we have to be the good...

00:39:11white person...

00:39:12and if I start to admit...

00:39:13that I...

00:39:14am not...

00:39:15perfect...

00:39:16or all good...

00:39:17or all pure...

00:39:18then that...

00:39:18interrupts...

00:39:19how...

00:39:20whiteness has actually...

00:39:21been really constraining...

00:39:22for me...

00:39:23like it's...

00:39:23given me privilege...

00:39:24but whiteness also harms...

00:39:25white bodies too...

00:39:26it's not that it's like...

00:39:28this loving...

00:39:29like embodied...

00:39:30thing...

00:39:31for white bodies...

00:39:32it actually does a lot of...

00:39:33damage...

00:39:34for everybody...

00:39:35that is trying to move...

00:39:36and navigate...

00:39:37through these systems...

00:39:38it does...

00:39:40and...

00:39:41it's funny...

00:39:42because you use the...

00:39:43glasses analogy...

00:39:44which I've used before...

00:39:45if you had glasses...

00:39:46where everybody looks...

00:39:47the same...

00:39:48and...

00:39:49try to put...

00:39:50all of this religion...

00:39:51and this ideology...

00:39:52into...

00:39:53to play...

00:39:54it really doesn't work...

00:39:55you just can't...

00:39:56you simply can't do it...

00:39:57for me...

00:39:58I had the opposite realization...

00:39:59like I said...

00:40:00I grew up not knowing...

00:40:01I was supposed to be like this...

00:40:02when I suddenly...

00:40:03learned that I was...

00:40:04I pretended to have...

00:40:05the glasses...

00:40:06that I didn't have...

00:40:07I started to...

00:40:08literally see...

00:40:09black people...

00:40:10or white people...

00:40:11even though I could...

00:40:12visually see them...

00:40:13all my life...

00:40:13I never thought of it...

00:40:14like that...

00:40:15except for the marriage...

00:40:17doctrine...

00:40:18that we had...

00:40:19we were taught...

00:40:20not to marry...

00:40:21but I didn't even see...

00:40:22that as racist...

00:40:23as we were taught...

00:40:25that...

00:40:26how did he put it...

00:40:27he said something like...

00:40:28God made big mountains...

00:40:29and little mountains...

00:40:30green valleys...

00:40:31and brown valleys...

00:40:32and he was trying to say...

00:40:33that God's creation...

00:40:34needs to stay...

00:40:35exactly the same...

00:40:36and I never really...

00:40:37thought back to...

00:40:38well...

00:40:39how does that work...

00:40:38that Adam and Eve...

00:40:39were the mother...

00:40:40and father of all living...

00:40:41it's all the same...

00:40:42it should be all the same...

00:40:43it wasn't until...

00:40:45I was doing...

00:40:46the revival history series...

00:40:47with Charles...

00:40:48which I...

00:40:49I mentioned this also...

00:40:50in the book...

00:40:51whenever white supremacy...

00:40:53mixed with...

00:40:54British Israel...

00:40:55British Israelism...

00:40:56and created...

00:40:57Christian identity...

00:40:58the two...

00:40:59two...

00:41:00bloodline doctrine...

00:41:01it had this...

00:41:02element...

00:41:03that...

00:41:04through the lineage of Ham...

00:41:06came the black...

00:41:07bloodline...

00:41:08that was a popular doctrine...

00:41:09in the...

00:41:1050s and 60s...

00:41:11and...

00:41:12the way that...

00:41:13they would trace the lineage...

00:41:14if you...

00:41:15read the Bible...

00:41:16and you trace the good guys...

00:41:17and bad guys...

00:41:18they would...

00:41:18always trace...

00:41:19the bad lineage...

00:41:20through that direction...

00:41:21through the...

00:41:22through the dark skin...

00:41:23so people were...

00:41:24taking that doctrine...

00:41:25and...

00:41:26running with it...

00:41:27in different ways...

00:41:28that was just really...

00:41:29offensive...

00:41:30now that I think about it...

00:41:31to the extent...

00:41:32we have...

00:41:33and I think you mentioned...

00:41:34that you had...

00:41:35encountered this too...

00:41:36we had churches...

00:41:37in...

00:41:38South Africa...

00:41:39where the black minister...

00:41:40would preach...

00:41:41that they were...

00:41:42they were...

00:41:43cursed...

00:41:44because they were black...

00:41:45and...

00:41:46that white people...

00:41:47should rule over them...

00:41:48I mean...

00:41:48hopefully they were...

00:41:49preaching this...

00:41:50but that's the ideology...

00:41:51that's what was being...

00:41:52spread...

00:41:53and...

00:41:54it's...

00:41:55whenever you look at...

00:41:56the...

00:41:57evangelical culture...

00:41:58because it is...

00:41:59developing through...

00:42:00the latter rain years...

00:42:01through the charismatic years...

00:42:02the early...

00:42:03form of the charismatic years...

00:42:04I should say...

00:42:05the ideology itself...

00:42:07was spreading...

00:42:08and that was the mission...

00:42:09that was why...

00:42:10you needed to go...

00:42:11and spread the gospel...

00:42:12you needed to...

00:42:13spread...

00:42:14literally spread the gospel...

00:42:15that you shouldn't marry...

00:42:16people who have...

00:42:17different skin than you...

00:42:18and...

00:42:19I'm...

00:42:20I'm not saying...

00:42:21that everybody in it...

00:42:22was racist...

00:42:23but there was a lot of that...

00:42:23going on in the movement...

00:42:24so that ideology...

00:42:25is clearly spreading...

00:42:26the fact that you're...

00:42:27seeing it...

00:42:28the fact that we have...

00:42:29ministers like this...

00:42:30and some of this...

00:42:31you can go into...

00:42:33other cults...

00:42:34that have emerged...

00:42:35from latter rain...

00:42:36and they also have...

00:42:37the same kind of ideology...

00:42:38yeah...

00:42:39I'm thinking of...

00:42:40James Dobson...

00:42:41said that...

00:42:43marrying across races...

00:42:45was being unequally yoked...

00:42:47and...

00:42:48I think there's just...

00:42:49so many different...

00:42:50verses...

00:42:51and justifications...

00:42:52that are...

00:42:53twisted...

00:42:54and used...

00:42:55for...

00:42:56maintaining...

00:42:57segregation...

00:42:58and...

00:42:59division...

00:43:00and...

00:43:01I really love...

00:43:02Rick Steves...

00:43:03and he says...

00:43:04it's hard to hate...

00:43:05up close...

00:43:06and...

00:43:07I think it's really...

00:43:08hard if you have...

00:43:09lived in these...

00:43:10insular worlds...

00:43:11or...

00:43:12even if you've...

00:43:13interacted...

00:43:13with people...

00:43:14that are different...

00:43:15but every time...

00:43:16you've interacted...

00:43:17with them...

00:43:18it's as a ministry...

00:43:19you're seeing...

00:43:18them as a project...

00:43:19you're seeing them...

00:43:20as something...

00:43:21that...

00:43:22is needing something...

00:43:23from you...

00:43:23there's...

00:43:25when there's not...

00:43:26a mutuality...

00:43:27and...

00:43:28a share...

00:43:28shared...

00:43:29respect...

00:43:30and...

00:43:31understanding...

00:43:32it...

00:43:33becomes a breeding ground...

00:43:33for stereotypes...

00:43:34and...

00:43:35me...

00:43:36as a 14-year-old...

00:43:37saying...

00:43:38that...

00:43:38I have a really hard time...

00:43:39loving Mexicans...

00:43:40even though...

00:43:41I don't have any...

00:43:42in my life...

00:43:43that's...

00:43:43such a...

00:43:44poignant example...

00:43:45I think...

00:43:46of...

00:43:47these worlds...

00:43:48that we're talking about...

00:43:48so fast forward...

00:43:49to the...

00:43:50birth...

00:43:51of what is called...

00:43:52the New Apostolic Reformation...

00:43:53if it can even...

00:43:54be called a birth...

00:43:55I think it literally...

00:43:56just put a brand name...

00:43:57on something...

00:43:58that...

00:43:58already established...

00:43:59St. Peter Wagner...

00:44:00was...

00:44:01strongly behind that...

00:44:02Youth with a Mission...

00:44:03definitely...

00:44:04is a component...

00:44:05to the...

00:44:06New Apostolic Reformation...

00:44:07Wagner...

00:44:08wrote a book...

00:44:09called...

00:44:10Our Kind of People...

00:44:11which is...

00:44:12one of...

00:44:13the most racist things...

00:44:13that you've ever read...

00:44:14but basically...

00:44:15it's describing...

00:44:16how...

00:44:17the...

00:44:18civil...

00:44:18rights movement...

00:44:19affected...

00:44:20the black churches...

00:44:21negatively...

00:44:22because it...

00:44:23was destroying...

00:44:24the culture...

00:44:25that separated...

00:44:26the blacks...

00:44:27from the whites...

00:44:28literally...

00:44:29that is the summary...

00:44:30of this book...

00:44:31he says...

00:44:32I'll read a quote...

00:44:33he says...

00:44:33a movement...

00:44:34called...

00:44:35caused...

00:44:36a distinct...

00:44:37change in attitude...

00:44:38of American blacks...

00:44:38towards their own...

00:44:39cultural values...

00:44:40in general...

00:44:41and towards their churches...

00:44:42in particular...

00:44:43what happened...

00:44:44to black churches...

00:44:45during the 60s...

00:44:46was not...

00:44:47unlike the process...

00:44:48of indigenation...

00:44:48that occurred...

00:44:49in scores...

00:44:50of cultures...

00:44:51around the world...

00:44:52where Christianity...

00:44:53has been introduced...

00:44:53so...

00:44:54this is coming...

00:44:55from a person...

00:44:56who's literally...

00:44:57some people...

00:44:58consider him...

00:44:59the father...

00:45:00of the new apostolic...

00:45:01reformation...

00:45:02even though...

00:45:03he simply...

00:45:04coined the term...

00:45:03but...

00:45:04he's very...

00:45:05fundamental...

00:45:06in what...

00:45:07would develop...

00:45:08into the new...

00:45:08apostolic reformation...

00:45:09especially...

00:45:10his work...

00:45:11with John...

00:45:12Wimber...

00:45:13spread...

00:45:14and explode...

00:45:15into...

00:45:16charismania...

00:45:17this was...

00:45:18at...

00:45:19point...

00:45:20he was...

00:45:21literally...

00:45:22trying...

00:45:23to...

00:45:24support...

00:45:25the idea...

00:45:26that black...

00:45:27people...

00:45:28needed...

00:45:29their own...

00:45:30culture...

00:45:31and...

00:45:32that black...

00:45:33people...

00:45:34needed...

00:45:35their own...

00:45:36culture...

00:45:37and...

00:45:38that black...

00:45:39was...

00:45:40communist...

00:45:41inspired...

00:45:42and...

00:45:43that he was...

00:45:44leading to...

00:45:44cause...

00:45:45a...

00:45:46holy...

00:45:47race...

00:45:48war...

00:45:49was...

00:45:50and...

00:45:51this ideology...

00:45:52was deep...

00:45:53so deeply rooted...

00:45:54in the movement...

00:45:54that people like Wagner...

00:45:55are carrying it forward...

00:45:56and...

00:45:57what's interesting about that is...

00:45:59if you were to read through...

00:46:00any...

00:46:01biography...

00:46:02or history...

00:46:03even the critical...

00:46:04histories of Wagner...

00:46:04most people...

00:46:05would not consider him...

00:46:06to be racist...

00:46:07but what he's building upon...

00:46:09is this ideology...

00:46:10that was...

00:46:11created...

00:46:12long...

00:46:13before him...

00:46:14this...

00:46:15component...

00:46:16and...

00:46:17he himself...

00:46:18has adopted it...

00:46:19racist...

00:46:20so...

00:46:21back to youth...

00:46:22with a mission...

00:46:23when you have...

00:46:24youth...

00:46:25who are in this...

00:46:26development...

00:46:27process...

00:46:28they're trying to develop...

00:46:29theology...

00:46:30and...

00:46:31they're given...

00:46:32this type of...

00:46:33background...

00:46:34to some of their...

00:46:34some of their...

00:46:35mission...

00:46:36you start to...

00:46:37wonder...

00:46:38how much of it...

00:46:39really came from...

00:46:40this racist...

00:46:41ideology...

00:46:42and...

00:46:43how much of it...

00:46:44how much of the mission...

00:46:45would even exist...

00:46:46if...

00:46:47this ideology...

00:46:48itself...

00:46:49had not existed...

00:46:49absolutely...

00:46:50I think about...

00:46:52um...

00:46:53Tema Oku...

00:46:54has...

00:46:55come up with...

00:46:56various things...

00:46:57that she calls...

00:46:58white supremacy...

00:46:59cultural norms...

00:47:00and...

00:47:01one of which...

00:47:02it's...

00:47:03sort of like...

00:47:04when you're...

00:47:04about...

00:47:05swimming through these waters...

00:47:06is...

00:47:07it's just what you...

00:47:08think...

00:47:09everything is...

00:47:10and then...

00:47:11again...

00:47:12you start to...

00:47:13see it...

00:47:14where...

00:47:15...

00:47:16what...

00:47:17.

00:47:18what...

00:47:20what...

00:47:21what...

00:47:22is...

00:47:23what...

00:47:24what...

00:47:25what...

00:47:27what...

00:47:29how...

00:47:30is that...

00:47:31what...

00:47:32what...

00:47:33more than you. And so I'm going to raise thousands of dollars and go

00:47:38across the ocean and step into your community and tell you the message

00:47:43that I think God has for you. And I think that will inevitably

00:47:48breed that sense of grandiosity that says you should

00:47:53go depart this message to God, to these people. They can't hear from

00:47:58the voice of God themselves, apparently. They need you to do this. I think

00:48:03absolutely. And I think it almost, whether it is conscious or not,

00:48:08the economics of it often becomes so self, uh,

00:48:13self-choosing because it is primarily white communities.

00:48:18That no people, they can call and say, Hey, I want to go on a missions trip.

00:48:21Can you send me a thousand dollars?

00:48:23The, the wealth disparity in the United States has made it so that

00:48:28generally speaking, that's going to be a lot harder in communities of color.

00:48:32So then you just,

00:48:33are going to naturally have more and more white people that are taking

00:48:38up these missional spaces and bringing these paternalistic messages to

00:48:43other communities.

00:48:44And you just hit the nail on the head that I was driving at.

00:48:48Can't hear the voice of God for themselves.

00:48:50So Christianity has spread all across the world.

00:48:53the globe and it did long before the Pentecostal movement existed.

00:48:58And Christianity was in the nations that they claim that they're going to do all

00:49:03the spiritual warfare.

00:49:04So if you believe that the Holy Spirit is the one,

00:49:08the one in charge and not the humans would you not then also believe that

00:49:13if the Holy Spirit is in the developing nations already through ministers that are preaching.

00:49:18that it could not be powerful enough to grow and spread the gospel within that nation.

00:49:23The ideology is such that no,

00:49:25the Holy Spirit is not in control.

00:49:26God is not in control.

00:49:28God is not in control.

00:49:29He has been in control.

00:49:30God is not in control.

00:49:31God is not in control.

00:49:32God is not in control.

00:49:33developing nation, yes, they may have Christian ministers, but the Christian

00:49:38ministers aren't powerful enough to convert the entire nation.

00:49:41We must do it.

00:49:42We must go.

00:49:43There because we're white, we can go over and have more dominance over the.

00:49:48People.

00:49:49I mean, literally that's what it comes down to.

00:49:50And you start to build this idea that.

00:49:53God is not in control.

00:49:54We have to do it.

00:49:55We have to do something that God can't do.

00:49:58When I look at youth with a mission and when I first encountered it, first off, I was

00:50:02asking.

00:50:03And the question is this a cult because, you know, I'm seeing this thing and it's so similar

00:50:08really problematic to many of the things that I grew up with.

00:50:13I was asking the question as a cult, but then that question didn't disturb me.

00:50:18So badly is what are they doing to the minds of the children?

00:50:22How are their.

00:50:23Minds going to develop when they're given this crippling setting?

00:50:28Instead of problematic doctrines that they're trying to this ideology that they have to.

00:50:33Go do this.

00:50:34None of it makes any sense.

00:50:36Not a single aspect of it makes any sense.

00:50:38I can understand a Christian missionary who is trying to do.

00:50:43Maybe go into a country that is poor.

00:50:48And the people are starving and they need food.

00:50:50Organize a mission to get them food.

00:50:52I can understand.

00:50:53I can understand this.

00:50:54I can understand any kind of humanitarian aid.

00:50:58But to try to overtake a country that already has Christianity in it and.

00:51:03Try to say that we need to forcibly go convert them.

00:51:06How is that different from the Spanish?

00:51:08Inquisition.

00:51:09None of it makes any sense.

00:51:11It doesn't.

00:51:12No.

00:51:13And it becomes these.

00:51:14It's often.

00:51:15It's.

00:51:16It's.

00:51:17It's often.

00:51:18It's often.

00:51:18not embedded in the community there's there are why we

00:51:23have a lot of places in Uganda that are acres and acres and acres and they have a

00:51:28high ropes course and they have their own garden and they have all of these things all for

00:51:33the base and and it's even my very first time

00:51:38in Uganda I kept thinking like why are people in Uganda if they don't actually want to spend time

00:51:42with Uganda

00:51:43where there was so many like insular communities

00:51:48that became these like little satellites of I would consider

00:51:53imperialism and bringing the ideology that um

00:51:58you know is is so part of these rhetorics and these movements

00:52:03and um yeah I don't I don't see it as separate from the

00:52:08long long long history of Christian supremacy

00:52:13colonizing the nation so you just hit the second nail on the head that I was trying

00:52:18to drive in so these youth go to these

00:52:23large camps sometimes they see people who are

00:52:28in the area who are Ugandans sometimes they don't but mostly they see

00:52:33each other and so they're mostly I mean there's no better way to say

00:52:38this this sounds like a children's indoctrination camp

00:52:41they're going so that they can be indoctrinated

00:52:43and they can come back so the mission is actually for the children themselves

00:52:48it's not so much about the outside world

00:52:50which again doesn't make any sense because why do

00:52:53that overseas unless you're trying to get the children away from their parents

00:52:58that's where for me this turns into a huge huge problem

00:53:01we have had I've

00:53:03investigated some of the children's indoctrination camp for the Branham cult

00:53:08and watching what happens when you can get a child away from their parent

00:53:11and then you can

00:53:13the children's nd the one and all who

00:53:15the children are

00:53:16that they can be

00:53:18I'm hearing from a child

00:53:18the person who's leading the camp, suddenly you can make

00:53:23the kid do anything that you want them to do, make them believe anything that you want

00:53:27them to believe.

00:53:28Because you've separated from their parent, they have no parental figure at that point.

00:53:33How long are the missions and how would you, would you agree that this sounds like indoctrination?

00:53:38Definitely.

00:53:39I mean, to be a part of YW.

00:53:43I'm to join staff or to do anything with YWAM, you are required to do what

00:53:48it's called a discipleship training school, which is a minimum of five months.

00:53:53And there are three months of what's called a lecture phase and then two months.

00:53:58And so during the three months of outreach, give or take.

00:54:03Three months of lecture phase, it is week after week after week of indoctrination.

00:54:08And it is highly, highly charismatic.

00:54:13Pentecostal services, you usually have a different guest speaker.

00:54:18Flying in from a different YWAM base each week from all over the world.

00:54:23And talking about that base and getting you excited about what that base is doing.

00:54:28And these weeks include hearing the voice of God and telling...

00:54:33Like training people what the voice of God sounds like or...

00:54:38There's like father heart of God, which often comes with people...

00:54:43...divulging their deepest, darkest traumas or secrets.

00:54:48And experiencing the love of God and these huge...

00:54:53...hudely emotionally charged weeks for three weeks and then you...

00:54:58...go on outreach for two months.

00:55:00So, I did my DTS discipleship training...

00:55:03...several months after I graduated high school.

00:55:06Like my parents had to help...

00:55:08...he helped me fill out the form saying like if I died on outreach...

00:55:11...they were responsible for getting my body...

00:55:13...back because I was 17 when I was applying to go.

00:55:17And then...

00:55:18...then my two months outreach...

00:55:20...one month was living in...

00:55:23...in Thailand in the red light district...

00:55:25...going into bars at night trying...

00:55:28...to talk to women to get them to come work at a business...

00:55:32...where they could make...

00:55:33...of jewelry...

00:55:34...where we no doubtedly caused more harm...

00:55:37...than...

00:55:38...we helped...

00:55:39...and there were several women that were beaten...

00:55:41...for talking to us.

00:55:43We had no business being there.

00:55:45It was incredibly traumatic for all of us.

00:55:48There was like, you know, a handful of 18, 19 year old men...

00:55:51...who are in a red light...

00:55:53...district being groped by women...

00:55:55...and reeling from that...

00:55:56...and trying to figure out what to do with that.

00:55:58And then our second month was in Malaysia...

00:56:01...Street Pride...

00:56:03...proselytizing in a Muslim country...

00:56:05...where it is illegal to proselytize.

00:56:08...and we could have been thrown in jail...

00:56:11...and I was still...

00:56:13...18 years old...

00:56:15...month out of high school...

00:56:17...and I...

00:56:18...absolutely consider it...

00:56:19...like...

00:56:20...this whole form of...

00:56:22...changing...

00:56:23...the way that you see the world...

00:56:24...the way that you see yourself...

00:56:26...in a very swift...

00:56:28...movement.

00:56:29And so by the time everyone comes back...

00:56:30...from their outreach...

00:56:31...they're already talking...

00:56:33...about what next school...

00:56:34...they're going to do with YWAM...

00:56:36...or where they're going to join staff.

00:56:38And it is...

00:56:39...it is very rare...

00:56:40...that people are like...

00:56:41...yep...

00:56:42...that was my five months...

00:56:43...I'm going back to go do normal life...

00:56:45...it is intentionally...

00:56:47...and...

00:56:48...brilliantly created...

00:56:49...to be this like...

00:56:51...mountaintop experience...

00:56:52...that is...

00:56:53...yes...

00:56:54...this is where God is...

00:56:55...I can step into these dangerous places...

00:56:57...and I have...

00:56:58...the protection of God...

00:56:59...and so I'm going to keep...

00:57:01...doing this...

00:57:02...and...

00:57:03...because of...

00:57:04...Seven Mountains mandate...

00:57:05...YWAM has...

00:57:06...schools...

00:57:07...literally...

00:57:08...designed...

00:57:09...for all of the different...

00:57:10...spheres of society...

00:57:11...so...

00:57:12...you would do a...

00:57:13...discipleship training school...

00:57:14...and then immediately...

00:57:15...before you finish that...

00:57:16...you're thinking about...

00:57:17...or even...

00:57:18...applying to the next school...

00:57:20...and it is this like...

00:57:21...salesperson tactic...

00:57:23...where...

00:57:23...your leaders are already like...

00:57:24...are you going to come back...

00:57:25...on staff...

00:57:26...you know the DTS starts...

00:57:27...in a couple months...

00:57:28...you could join...

00:57:28...you could lead a one-on-one...

00:57:29...and it's almost like...

00:57:30...this foot in the door...

00:57:31...where it's like...

00:57:32...well I've done a DTS...

00:57:33...I guess...

00:57:33...this is what I'm going to do...

00:57:34...for the next...

00:57:35...rest of my life...

00:57:37...so for those...

00:57:38...who couldn't see me...

00:57:39...because...

00:57:40...the camera was on Jenny...

00:57:42...I'm shaking my head...

00:57:43...and disbelief...

00:57:44...I'm like...

00:57:45...shocked...

00:57:46...that...

00:57:47...everything that you said...

00:57:48...I have no...

00:57:48...words...

00:57:49...I have literally no words...

00:57:50...and...

00:57:51...I'm looking back...

00:57:52...through the history...

00:57:53...of this movement...

00:57:54...in fact I was pulling up...

00:57:55...some...

00:57:56...some of my research...

00:57:57...while you were talking...

00:57:58...but...

00:57:59...when...

00:58:00...when the Lateran movement...

00:58:01...started to establish this idea...

00:58:03...of Joel's army...

00:58:04...the focus was on the youth...

00:58:06...and...

00:58:07...the past...

00:58:08...the message from Joel...

00:58:09...it says...

00:58:10...your sons and daughters...

00:58:11...shall prophesy...

00:58:12...your old man...

00:58:13...shall dream dreams...

00:58:13...pentecostalism had...

00:58:15...started to die out...

00:58:16...before 1947...

00:58:18...it existed...

00:58:19...but not nearly...

00:58:20...so widespread...

00:58:21...and popular...

00:58:22...as it was...

00:58:23...when...

00:58:23...the Azusa Street...

00:58:24...revival was happening...

00:58:25...so it started...

00:58:26...to tame down...

00:58:27...there was a lot...

00:58:28...of divisions...

00:58:29...and they saw...

00:58:30...this new thing...

00:58:31...as the ability...

00:58:32...to...

00:58:33...create...

00:58:34...Joel's army...

00:58:35...and what was...

00:58:36...Joel's army...

00:58:37...the early...

00:58:38...anacostals looked...

00:58:39...at Joel...

00:58:40...Joel 2...

00:58:41...and it said...

00:58:42...behold...

00:58:43...I will pour...

00:58:44...my spirit out...

00:58:43...on all flesh...

00:58:44...that's...

00:58:45...how they were...

00:58:46...trying to say...

00:58:47...that this is the...

00:58:48...the...

00:58:49...day of Pentecost...

00:58:50...is coming to us...

00:58:51...well...

00:58:52...the second iteration...

00:58:53...the third iteration...

00:58:54...of this...

00:58:55...the second iteration...

00:58:56...of this...

00:58:57...they were saying...

00:58:58...that your sons and daughters...

00:58:59...need to be the focus...

00:59:00...we need to...

00:59:01...we need to build...

00:59:02...this army of you...

00:59:03...tooth...

00:59:04...and so...

00:59:05...Joel's army...

00:59:06...became established...

00:59:07...Kansas City...

00:59:08...IHOP KC...

00:59:09...they're trying to do...

00:59:10...the same thing...

00:59:11...they're trying to get...

00:59:12...the children to a...

00:59:13...hyped...

00:59:13...emotionally charged...

00:59:15...religious frenzy...

00:59:16...so that they can...

00:59:17...fulfill this...

00:59:18...and now...

00:59:19...I'm looking at...

00:59:20...Youth with a Mission...

00:59:21...it...

00:59:22...bears...

00:59:23...all of the...

00:59:24...similarities...

00:59:25...to this...

00:59:26...creation of...

00:59:27...Joel's army...

00:59:28...they may not have...

00:59:29...taught it in doctrine...

00:59:30...I think you and I...

00:59:31...have talked a little bit...

00:59:32...about this...

00:59:33...the children may have no idea...

00:59:34...that that was even a doctrine...

00:59:35...fueling it...

00:59:36...but the idea was...

00:59:38...we need to create...

00:59:39...spiritual...

00:59:40...super soldiers...

00:59:41...that was the idea...

00:59:42...behind Joel's army...

00:59:43...and everything that you're...

00:59:44...telling me...

00:59:45...I'm starting to understand...

00:59:46...and piece together...

00:59:48...this was that...

00:59:49...this was trying to create...

00:59:51...it's a...

00:59:52...it's literally a mission...

00:59:53...for the children...

00:59:54...themselves...

00:59:55...we need to...

00:59:56...supercharge...

00:59:57...spiritual warriors...

00:59:58...they're going to...

00:59:59...grow up into adults...

01:00:00...to engage in...

01:00:01...spiritual warfare...

01:00:02...this is the...

01:00:03...this is the...

01:00:04...this is literally...

01:00:05...the training centers...

01:00:06...for the army...

01:00:07...yeah...

01:00:08...and I think...

01:00:08...other important part of it...

01:00:10...based on some things...

01:00:11...we've talked about already...

01:00:12...is that...

01:00:13...it's...

01:00:14...it's well known...

01:00:15...in almost any base...

01:00:16...I think I went to...

01:00:17...that YWAM...

01:00:18...they say that...

01:00:20...the acronym...

01:00:21...it really means...

01:00:22...young women...

01:00:23...after men...

01:00:24...and...

01:00:25...it is...

01:00:26...very rare...

01:00:27...that you will go...

01:00:28...through...

01:00:29...a five-month DTS...

01:00:30...and not have...

01:00:31...at least one marriage...

01:00:32...that will come out...

01:00:33...of it...

01:00:34...and...

01:00:35...and that is part...

01:00:36...of the system...

01:00:37...is you are...

01:00:38...are here to find...

01:00:39...a good godly mate...

01:00:40...I just like...

01:00:41...thank all things holy...

01:00:43...I did not get married...

01:00:44...in YWAM...

01:00:45...that would have made...

01:00:46...things a lot more...

01:00:47...complicated for me...

01:00:48...I think I was always...

01:00:49...a little bit too...

01:00:50...opinionated...

01:00:51...to fit into the...

01:00:53...YWAM wife...

01:00:54...model...

01:00:55...but...

01:00:56...but...

01:00:57...and then it is like...

01:00:58...okay well now you're married...

01:00:59...now you need to start...

01:01:00...having children...

01:01:01...and it is...

01:01:02...this sense of like...

01:01:03...that...

01:01:03...that's how you get...

01:01:04...so ingrained in it...

01:01:05...and literally people...

01:01:06...would tell me...

01:01:07...it's easier...

01:01:08...to fundraise...

01:01:09...when you have children...

01:01:10...if you're having...

01:01:11...a hard time...

01:01:12...raising money...

01:01:13...to be a missionary...

01:01:14...you should get married...

01:01:15...and have kids...

01:01:16...because people will be...

01:01:17...more likely to support you...

01:01:18...it's...

01:01:19...I believe...

01:01:20...like I'm...

01:01:21...I'm still...

01:01:22...I'm in a state of shock...

01:01:23...I can't believe it...

01:01:23...that this even exists...

01:01:24...this is dangerous...

01:01:25...this is not...

01:01:26...this is not something...

01:01:27...that...

01:01:28...that's healthy...

01:01:29...and I...

01:01:30...so much more...

01:01:31...I want to ask you...

01:01:32...and I want to probe your head...

01:01:33...it looks like we've...

01:01:34...we've already gone an hour...

01:01:35...I've...

01:01:36...as we're getting into this topic...

01:01:37...because it is my...

01:01:38...passion...

01:01:39...there's so many more things...

01:01:40...that I can say...

01:01:41...but we'll split it out...

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