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00:00do you think C.J. Stroud is scared of the moment?
00:06And I say scared, like scared of the moment, don't want it,
00:09didn't want it, didn't want to be out, didn't want it.
00:12Or do you think it was a situation where he just played poorly?
00:18Like, do you think he was scared of the moment?
00:20And for Clint, I didn't get a sense either one of the games
00:24that he was scared, that he didn't want the moment.
00:27I got shell-shocked.
00:28I got, like, confidence is waning.
00:31But I didn't get, like, we've seen athletes, people like,
00:36you know, they don't want it.
00:37They don't want it anymore.
00:39They don't want to be out there.
00:40You can see it in basketball a lot.
00:42They don't want to take shots.
00:43They don't want to be out there.
00:45I didn't get that.
00:46Do you get, because I think a lot of people are concerned about C.J.
00:50in the big moment.
00:51I get that.
00:52But I think that's different than being scared.
00:54Do you get the feel when you watch that he's scared of the moment?
00:58No, I mean, I'm assuming you're using the term scared for a reason.
01:02No, I don't think scared is the right thing.
01:04Like, scared, like, meaning, like, he didn't want, like,
01:06he didn't, like, he didn't really want to.
01:08No, no, I think, you know, I think he is a,
01:14I think he has a hard time handling adversity.
01:20I think he, I think the passive good guy approach is hard to follow when adversity strikes.
01:32It's easy to follow the quarterback when you're indoors and you're throwing for 300 yards
01:35and you're not throwing interceptions.
01:36But when you're, when you're outside and you're in enemy territory
01:40and things aren't going great, that's when you've got to,
01:44that's when you find out whether your quarterback has, has, has ice water in his veins.
01:49That's, that's when you figure out if your guy is, is, can the other team rattle him at all?
01:56Um, can the circumstances overwhelm him and rattle him at all?
02:00And, and I think ultimately he doesn't have that.
02:03I think that's, it's not about being scared of the moment.
02:06I think if everything is right in the moment, I think, I think CJ'd be fine.
02:11Um, but unfortunately that's not how the game's played.
02:13I mean, there's, there's, there's adversity, even in the biggest, baddest, you know,
02:18most impressive runs, there's adversity.
02:21Um, and so I, I think, and those happen to be the most critical moments
02:25when you need your quarterback to be the stabilizing factor.
02:29Do you think it's any adversity?
02:31You think it's his own?
02:32And I think it, I'm with you on, on that.
02:35It feels like when it's personally him that has, has messed up, which I don't personally,
02:41I don't think that's abnormal.
02:43Now you played in that.
02:45Like, I think he can, I think when other stuff would like players go down.
02:49I don't think CJ goes and let sever the tank situation, but I don't like if players get injured,
02:55like when they, when they went in, they've had some adversity where Nico's missed games
02:59or had to come out in the middle of the game.
03:01He doesn't seem to go into the tank.
03:04I think he goes into the tank when he, when he messes up, right?
03:08Like when he, like when he throws two picks, I think he kind of kind of goes down into it,
03:13which to me, isn't that abnormal.
03:16Like when you're the cause when, when you're the,
03:19Yeah, but there's the abnormal part of it is, is it's, it's, it's this poor pitiful me.
03:27It's, and I don't mean that as negatively as it comes out.
03:29It's like the body language, the look, the whole, yeah, the whole thing is, is you're right.
03:33If it's him not playing well, the tone changes, the, the, the patent on the sidelines, the, the,
03:39the body language is bad, if it's, if, if it's in the moment and, you know, the, the, the adversity strikes
03:48and, and the, the, the momentum's going the opposite direction, there's, there's that same guy that mopes
03:56and, and has bad body language is never going to be the guy that's going to, that's going to stop the momentum,
04:02look his guys in the huddle and go, all right, you mother, let's, let's get this stuff going the right direction,
04:07go win this damn game.
04:08He's never going to be that guy.
04:09Like that, like that, that's, that's the part that, that's the part that I'm sold on is I,
04:15I just don't believe, I don't believe that you can, you don't think he can grow from getting better
04:21with handling adversity.
04:23I think he can grow, but I think, I don't, I don't think he all of a sudden takes this organization by the balls.
04:32I don't, I mean, he can't, you, he can't even like, to me, he's not even a guy that can handle his own emotions.
04:38And the, the, the responsibilities of the position in a confident way, like that exudes confidence.
04:47Like, I, I just, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't see him, like, I don't see him making the turn to where all of a sudden there's this Super Bowl caliber,
04:58playoff caliber pedigree that is just this, this leader that moves the needle for the entire team.
05:05And I, I just, I don't, that, that ship has sailed for me with CJ.
05:09That's when I, when I told you after that game, it wasn't just a knee jerk reaction to the game,
05:13but it was the, the nail in the coffin for me of like, I, I just don't, I do not believe that, that CJ is that guy.
05:21And, and as long as you can, as long as the Texans can keep him out of situations where you have to put the game on his back in,
05:29in big moments, you keep, keep him out of situations where he's a turnover machine.
05:33When you're on the road and the, and the, and the environment's not just right.
05:36Like if you can keep him out of those situations and you can win with him.
05:40But to me, there's always going to be a, there's always going to be adversity throughout a season where then you've got to deal with the moping and the body language and the,
05:48and the other stuff.
05:49And I think players see that.
05:51And I don't think players respond well to that.
05:53See, Tyler, the reason I'm interested in your thoughts, 7, 1, 3, 5, 7, 2, 4, 6, 10.
05:58No, no, no, no.
05:59I, that, I think the ultimate thing for me with it was,
06:02and I see some people jumping in, uh, someone on YouTube.
06:05He looks scared from the first throw of the game.
06:08Uh, young in mind, a lot of self, uh, affirmations, uh, no need for another Framber in this town.
06:15Uh, CJ sucks.
06:17People's the saying about Darnold.
06:19Now look at him.
06:20Uh, the, the fight, the bite down the dog.
06:24Darnold.
06:24Yeah.
06:25Use that.
06:26Use that as an example.
06:27He's been through four teams.
06:28Like, I, the reason why I said scared, see, I can't, I can't, like, I don't, I don't think I can recover from somebody who's scared of the moment.
06:42Right.
06:43Like I, like, like, like, like for, for me, I, I, I don't think James Harden will ever win a championship that he is.
06:51Oh, don't mean to put in your wheelhouse, Tyler, but like, like I, he lost me the San Antonio game where it wasn't that he just played poorly.
07:00He was just like, I'm out on taking shots.
07:04Like that is, that is like, that's a, that is like, wow.
07:08You're not even like, you're just, you're just out.
07:11Right.
07:11Like, and you, like that was, and, and wasn't the first time he's just, he's just shown up.
07:16Like one thing, if you miss 16 shots or something, that's one thing or, or anything.
07:22So I never got the feel that he is scared of the moment.
07:26I thought he just played poorly in the moment.
07:28Yes.
07:29To me, all the other stuff, I think at 24, you can grow well enough.
07:35Like I, I am one that doesn't believe, and I can understand how you can believe it.
07:38Hell, you played the position.
07:40You've been in it.
07:40I don't believe you have to have your quarterback has to be your great, your leader.
07:47He had me one of them, but it has to be your great leader, right?
07:50I got, I don't think Russell Wilson's a great leader.
07:52I don't think, I don't think Aaron Rodgers is a great leader, but those guys have won championships.
07:58We've seen that they, they can play well enough where it can, it can meet enough.
08:04If you're scared, I can't do nothing with it.
08:06The other stuff of, I think we can see him get to a space for me personally, that he could
08:12find a way to have experience in managing emotions better.
08:17Like, I don't think it's abnormal to throw two interceptions in the biggest game of your
08:21life and your confidence be shaking a little bit, nor three or four, right?
08:27I don't think that's, that's weird, right?
08:30So, to me, I feel like we could go, and the other part is, I've seen him in adverse situations
08:37not react the way he did and just turn the ball over all the time.
08:44Like, we've seen him in moments where he's lost guys, he's had players, he hadn't had
08:49all his full cast, there were things, and he did not just pee down his leg like he did.
08:55So, I just, like, the reason why I threw the word scared in is, scared, I can't come
08:59back from.
09:00There are some other things that maybe you can't come from back.
09:02When you look at that and you just say, he's just never, he is never going to be the guy
09:06as you just, just, just laid out, that's going to be the, I grab the team by the balls type
09:13of guy.
09:13And that, that's something you can't get past.
09:16That's what it was for me is, as long as I see that he's not scared at 24, I feel like
09:20all the other stuff he can grow from enough where it's hard for me to, to give up, to give,
09:27like, to completely walk out of the door on him.
09:30Like, I think a lot of people are, but, uh, I mean, it's, I just think you can grow from
09:36those things with age and experience.
09:39Yeah, no, I, I don't think you're wrong.
09:40I think you can grow through those things.
09:42The key is, is you're at a point where you got to pay a guy 50 to $60 million and hope
09:45he grows through those things.
09:46And I'm the, that's a, that's a gamble that I would be willing to take.
09:50If I were, if I were coaching or general manager of a team that is headlined by my defense.
09:56Um, and so that, that's, that's the, that's the key is that one, I can't get, I'm with you
10:02from a sense of, I can't get with somebody that was on board and had no questions about
10:07CJ never thought, never thought twice about his leadership.
10:10Never thought twice about, you know, the, the body language and the going into the tank and
10:14the inability to handle those emotions.
10:16And then all of a sudden you watch that one game and that, that awful, awful, awful first
10:20half and go, well, I'm out like, that's not, you know, that's not where, you know, to me,
10:27that was just the, the final nail, if you will.
10:30Um, that, that made, that made me jump.
10:33So I, I mean, there's, there's just multiple things along the way that, that have been,
10:37that I've questioned that I've seen that again, if it's a rookie, cool, man, love it.
10:42If it's a rookie that's one year removed from being rookie of the year and kind of carrying
10:45the franchise, cool, love it.
10:47The further we get removed from that, the more control that guy gets, the more he struggles,
10:51the bigger, the moments, the bigger, the moments become because the expectations of year three
10:55are much bigger than year one.
10:57And, and, and we're going the wrong direction with, with how we're handling those situations.
11:01I'm just not willing to pay 50 or 60 that experiment through.
11:05Yeah.
11:05I just, cause I got, I've, I've said to people, somebody just texted what other quarterbacks,
11:10what great quarterbacks do you think have those looks that CJ had?
11:14I would say the best quarterback potentially in the world right down today.
11:19I would invite you to go look at last year's Superbowl highlights and go, and go take a
11:27look at Patrick Mahomes in the second half.
11:29Go look at some of the looks on his face.
11:31He looks shell shocked the way that CJ did after he threw his pick six.
11:36One of multiple interceptions that he threw in that game.
11:41Like, and, and I know some of you do not, I don't think anyone thinks he's, he's scared
11:48of the moment he is, he is, he has shown that, but I mean, it happens.
11:51I mean, I think you, you do what he did in the biggest game.
11:56Like I'm not, I'm not surprised by, by some of the, and I know you, yours is not just in
12:01that game.
12:02You've been, you've been talked about his, his demeanor and how he reacts to, to certain
12:06things for, for a couple of years.
12:08Yeah.
12:09Well, I just, I just, there's a little thing, Ron, like I don't, I mean, I'm not saying that
12:14I could, I could play with the likes of CJ Stroud or anybody even close, but I guarantee
12:19you this, if I went over and spent a year with Nick Cayley, we, we ain't even shaping our
12:23mouth when the year's over to talk about, we got to get out of the huddle better.
12:26We got to get out of the huddle quicker.
12:27We got to communicate like that.
12:28We ain't doing that like that, that there's something there's again, and this isn't necessarily
12:33a CJ thing.
12:34Cause I don't, I'm not in the building.
12:35I'm not privy to what the, what it is, but there's something that's there with some big,
12:39big pieces of playing that position and moving the needle.
12:45Um, cause I, I, I, when you're paying a guy 50 or $60 million and he's your starting quarterback,
12:50I need that guy to be, be an elite leader, whatever that looks like, you know, I need, I need
12:57that guy to move the needle for this football team more than he's leading Bible study and
13:02more than he's just a really good guy.
13:03And he's a good friend of mine.
13:04And I got to go over there and remind him he's the best quarterback, one of the best
13:07quarterbacks in the league kind of deal.
13:08Like I, I, I think you've got to be that guy.
13:10Do you think his teammates view him as a leader on this team?
13:13I think they would tell you they do, but I, but I, I, I don't, you don't think deep
13:17down they do because I think his teammates, that's the other part is it's something you
13:22have told me when we first started, started working together, the dudes got to, to be
13:28able to have respect and follow that and, um, the important guys on that team seem to seem
13:37to respect that and look at that.
13:40And I wonder, I wonder if they view CJ is one of the leaders, maybe they're just saying
13:47it.
13:47I wonder, I wonder deep down, do they view him as the guy that, that you're, that you're
13:52talking about?
13:52Yeah.
13:52I listen less to, to, for me, like I, it's easy for me, Ron.
13:57I mean, I know, like I've heard Will Anderson talk about the, the, the, the CJ, the leader.
14:03If, if, if, if you're my best friend and you're, and you're a legit leader.
14:09And you go out and go through a rough stretch.
14:12I don't, the first thing I didn't need to do is not come tell you how great of a quarterback
14:15you are.
14:17Like, I don't, I don't need to, I don't need to do that.
14:20Like I, like I, Josh Allen lost a playoff game for his team.
14:23Do you think his teammates that needed to go up to him and go, Hey man, you're, you're,
14:26you're still the top quarterback in the league, man.
14:29Like the fact that people have to do that or feel the need to even think about doing that
14:32to me, you think that they do that because they feel like CJ needs needs it.
14:39Cause they're looking, they're, they're looking at the same thing.
14:40We are that bad body language, that moping that thing.
14:43Like D'Amico opening the press conference by saying he's still in CJ's corner.
14:46He's got his back and all that.
14:48And that, and I'm not, and by the way, Tyler, that, that is, that's a great point because
14:51you're spot on it's, I'm not saying shame on you D'Amico for doing it.
14:55Those are just things that I look at.
14:57I don't listen to what they say about how, about if you're having to tell me how much of a
15:00leader somebody is, or you're having to tell me how much of a leader you are.
15:04You're not a leader.
15:05That guy's not a leader.
15:07Like in my opinion, that's just my, that's my opinion of it all is I don't believe that
15:13when you talk about the top quarterbacks in this league that are dudes, I don't think
15:17that are 50, $60 million guys.
15:18I don't think guys are having to remind them that they're top.
15:20They feel like they're a top quarterback in this league.
15:25Yeah.
15:26A lot there.
15:27A lot there.
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